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Unemployment numbers far worse for blacks

The Chicago Sun-Times is reporting:

February's higher-than-anticipated U.S. jobless rate of 8.1 percent shook America on Friday morning. It was a stat not seen since December 1983 -- except in black America, which has had rates above 8.1 percent for all but six months since 2001.

The unemployment rate for blacks in the United States hit 13.4 percent in February, the U.S. Department of Labor reported Friday.

"Unfortunately, the black unemployment rate is typically about twice the white unemployment rate," said Algernon Austin, director of the Washington, D.C.-based Economic Policy Institute's Race, Ethnicity and Economy Program.

[...]

Hispanics have had the highest percentage-point increase in unemployment since the beginning of the recession, disproportionately working in the housing construction market that tanked.

Blacks and Hispanics are overrepresented in sectors that have taken the hardest hits in the recession -- construction and manufacturing.

Question: will this sad statistic be reported by major news media as a front-page headline/top story -- "women and minorities hardest hit" -- as it most certainly would have been if George W. Bush or John McCain were President?


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Of course the mainstream me... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

Of course the mainstream media (especially CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC) are not going to report this!

All of these job layoffs were predicted before Obama was elected. I heard many small business people saying they were going to layoff people if Obama got elected because they knew that Democratic spending would ultimately mean higher taxes for them.

There's no way the country can spend all of this money and not raise taxes. Businesses understand this better than anyone else because their survival depends on making accurate assessments about future costs. Thus, they are cutting jobs to save money. This is having a ripple effect throughout the economy.

There is a cause and effect between Obama's election and the economy tanking further. The media is helping by lying and ignoring obvious truths. Big company executives aren't going to openly speak about this because they don't want to be targeted by the Obama Administration.


Obama and the Democrats who are voting with him are killing the economy, not helping it. It's unfortunate and ironic that the people who heavily helped Obama to win are the ones who will suffer the most. But people need to be responsible about their voting. There is a consequence to who you vote for.

But if they suffer, TOhio -... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

But if they suffer, TOhio - then they'll be quite happy to vote for whoever promises to alleviate their suffering, through more government programs and handouts.

It's worked well in the past - likely will be working in the future too...

Of course the concept that education directly affects employability in the first place doesn't seem to connect. What was the unemployment rate for Asian-Americans during the same time frame?

"The last year in which the... (Below threshold)

"The last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate in the United States was 1930. The next year, the first federal minimum wage law, the Davis-Bacon Act, was passed. One of its sponsors explicitly stated that the purpose was to keep blacks from taking jobs from whites."

-Thomas Sowell

Who are you going to lay of... (Below threshold)

Who are you going to lay off -- a person who voted for McCain and won't vote to cripple your business or a person who voted for Obama, and will?

A higher level manager at the construction company my son works for was just laid off. He's white, but he is a liberal and voted for Obama and everyone knew it. He's now out of work.

Time to close ranks. Call me a racist all day, but no nonunion company is going to hire a black or hispanic worker who's going to vote for Card Check. Frankly, they're getting what they deserve. No job, and Obama isn't filling their gas tank, either.

Sounds like another excuse ... (Below threshold)

Sounds like another excuse to bring up the topic of reparations.
http://www.rightklik.net/

Let's see, The Great Societ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Let's see, The Great Society and War on Poverty started in the mid-60's. All that money spent and "minorities" are still over-represented in the unemployment lines and in prisons.

Sounds like a really good reason to continue following the same old policiess. 'Cause, you know, sooner or later it will all turn around.

Higher unemployment is noth... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Higher unemployment is nothing new for Blacks and their attitudes are "part" of the problem. Hispanics is another issue although many of them have seemed to be adopting bad attitudes as well. Women are yet again another issue. For example, my live-in girlfriend is technically unemployed yet does a good deal of work between her part time jobs. Then again she can go for a month without working since I am paying the bills.

TOhio,"Of course the... (Below threshold)
Rance:

TOhio,
"Of course the mainstream media (especially CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and NBC) are not going to report this!"

They already have. The stats came out on Friday and they covered it then. You can check CBS, NBC, or CNN web sites to see their coverage.

I know, since you don't watch the MSM, you can only go by your gut as to what the actually do and do not report.

Wayne, Seems like th... (Below threshold)

Wayne,
Seems like the post has nothing to do with your opinions. Let's see if we have your list thus far, blacks, hispanics, women...perhaps the post has emboldened you to think that the author is racist/bigot.

Looks to me your attitude influences your surroundings.

The post was not to bring out the bigots...yet here we read about your live in girlfriend, who, like blacks and hispanics tote bad attitudes.

Let's be honest and not mince words, the bs that the Left cried loud and clear about the Right being racist was for the most part false(and used as a diversionary tactic)...but you on the other hand have taken this post to come out- and show that there still are folks who cannot see past color, race, or gender.

Disgust is the kindest word I can use to describe my thoughts toward you.

Rance: Nice try. Mainstre... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

Rance: Nice try. Mainstream media will mention it but they don't analyze or look at it the same way that they would if Bush were the President.

CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC are propaganda machines for Obama. They'll say enough to say that they said something about it, but they are left-wing news organizations at their core and their "news" about this or anything else will always be favorable towards Obama.

"Question: will this sad st... (Below threshold)
max:

"Question: will this sad statistic be reported by major news media as a front-page headline/top story -- "women and minorities hardest hit" -- as it most certainly would have been if George W. Bush or John McCain were President?"

In other words, "Waaaaahhh!!!"

Goshers i though obama was ... (Below threshold)
SPURWING PLOVER:

Goshers i though obama was going to give them all the jobs they wanted

AND pay their mortgages, ge... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

AND pay their mortgages, get 'em a new car, and a HD TV, and 'free' gasoline, and ..........

Who says you can't buy votes.

Just like those who supported OJ, 'cause, you know "he's one of us".....these people are in for a big disappointment.

I'm looking forward to the excuses they'll use for begin had.

Yet another story reported ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Yet another story reported by the MSM that the evil liberal MSM won't cover! How will the public know about the news stories that are being covered by major outlets if they aren't covered by major outlets in exactly the manner and timing Michael demands?

Btw, the Sun-Times is Chicago's liberal paper.

Want to see what the Democr... (Below threshold)
John:

Want to see what the Democrats think of their constituents?

Democrat Liberal Scumbag Assaults Constituent

Question: will thi... (Below threshold)
Smiles:
Question: will this sad statistic be reported by major news media as a front-page headline/top story -- "women and minorities hardest hit" -- as it most certainly would have been if George W. Bush or John McCain were President?

Michael, regardless of who is president the story would not be elevated to the front page. This is because most of the general public is already aware that the unemployment rate is historically higher among blacks. This is not news to anyone.

Jen, what are you smoking? ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jen, what are you smoking? If anyone is showing bigotry it is you. Sound like you have a problem with live-in girlfriends. Also as I already state, she does a great deal of work even though she is technically unemployed. I know many wives and girlfriends who do that. The number of hours they work vary greatly with some putting in more than 40 hours a week between various jobs because they have varying interest and\or they need the flexibility of having part time jobs. I am not saying that is good or bad. It is just the way our society is, although I wouldn't consider them as having bad attitudes.

Never said a thing about thinking the author was racist\bigot.

This is why people can't have an open discussion about race or gender. If anyone says one word negative about either group they are accused of being a racist\bigot.

The discussion is about different groups. Therefore one needs to discuss some share traits about such groups, positive or negative. Now only a bigot like yourself would think that those traits are share by all in those groups or even a majority of those groups. It only needs to be higher enough % from another group to explain the different stats of another group such as unemployment states.

My original post stated that comparing blacks, hispanics and women unemployment % is like comparing apples, oranges, and strawberries. They all have their unique situations. Only a fool would apply it to an individual.

SmileI agree it is a... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Smile
I agree it is a non story for the purpose that you stated but I do recall a similar story being used against Bush.

TOhio,You said the... (Below threshold)
Rance:

TOhio,

You said they wouldn't report it. They did.
Now you say that's not good enough, for you.

8.1% is 8.1%. It is neither a liberal or a conservative number, unless you believe that reality has a liberal bias.

I agree it is a non stor... (Below threshold)
Smiles:

I agree it is a non story for the purpose that you stated but I do recall a similar story being used against Bush

Sorry Wayne but that's not good enough.
1. Was the story in a major newspaper?
2. Was it printed on the front page?
2. Did the headline actually say that the unemployment rate amound blacks is higher.

Wayne Are you kiddin... (Below threshold)

Wayne
Are you kidding? lol

Your comment was not about just about the post but a personal assessment. Toting bad attitudes, and *seem to be*...your comment is entirely based on opinions.

Have you ever been to a field where mostly hispanics are picking the crop? Wow, the attitude is so bad that even the children work to bring in more money. Everyone tows the line. I live in the southwest where the region has been populated for generations by Americans of Mexican descent. I seem to see the norms of any community, and no one general sweeping across the board.

As to the live in girlfriend comment...your bravado allowed me to read your attitude towards her: Women are yet again another issue. For example, my live-in girlfriend is technically unemployed yet does a good deal of work between her part time jobs. Then again she can go for a month without working since I am paying the bills

Wow as I write this I stand corrected...Wayne you are right, you pay the bills so you are allowed to condemn the bad attitude.

Try posting your comment in the real world that is not predominately conservative and your trying to have an honest discussion about race will have you in the spotlight.

I stand with what I said. The attitude of a person is influential in getting a job, but to generalize the entire discussion into blacks and hispanics are toting attitudes is sad.

You are not past the differences...and see race(and gender) as a mitigating factor in debate. So to answer your question, no I am not smoking anything. And I would love to discuss race, and would love to address the reasoning behind the problems. The complete destruction of the family(70%of blacks grow up in a one parent home-the mother), abortion of 66% of all black pregnancies, and the slippery slope that we have in our public schools to permit students not to learn the basics yet are permitted to graduate.
Jennifer

The race issue in the US ca... (Below threshold)
JB:

The race issue in the US can be summed up thus:

Liberal policies are extraordinarily destructive to blacks.

Liberals say claim they're on the side of the blacks, and that Conservatives are racists.

Most blacks believe them.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

JB's thoughts on race in th... (Below threshold)
mantis:

JB's thoughts on race in the US can be summed up thus:

Black are too stupid to know what's good for them, which is electing Republicans!

Gee, I wonder why blacks don't vote for you guys more?

mantis's thoughts can be su... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis's thoughts can be summed up thus:

Liberals know what's best for everyone and they're willing to use the police power of government to make certain you do it.

"Black are too stupid to kn... (Below threshold)
JB:

"Black are too stupid to know what's good for them, which is electing Republicans!"

Not stupid. Effectively brainwashed into race and class warfare, yes -- something that's not race-specific. And I was specifically contrasting liberalism and conservatism, not political parties.

But tell me mantis, ever hear of the expression "keeping whitey on the hook"? I have. And Republicans didn't invent it.

Conversations about intelligence aside, you think cultural baggage could possibly be counterproductive in advancement of a community?


The actions and results obt... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The actions and results obtained by the Vietnamese "boat people" put the lie to the "War on Poverty". Those people came here with NOTHING, and in one generation sent their children to college. Most of them knowing no English when they first arrived.

Yet with 50 years of the Great Society, WITH PEOPLE BORN AND RAISED HERE, their children are still "disproportionately" represented in the unemployment and prison populations.

Yep, liberals have been a great help to minorities.

"Unemployment numbers far w... (Below threshold)
SpideyTerry:

"Unemployment numbers far worse for blacks"

I'd sympathize with them if the vast majority of them didn't vote for Obama solely because of his skin color.

An old Bugs Bunny line applies here, "Remember, you're asking for it."

(shaking my head) Jen, the ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

(shaking my head) Jen, the point about my girlfriends was she is technically unemployed but does a great deal of work anyway. If you consider that as her having a bad attitude than we will have to disagree on what a "bad attitude" means. Many women are in similar situations and much of that is due to our society. Many stay at home moms no longer stay home. Because of this and other societal structures their unemployment numbers shouldn't be compared directly with other groups.

There were times growing up where I was the only gringo rouging in a field. Hispanics are the majority populace of where I live. They are the majority in the pub that I hang out at and we do have these types of discussion. Many of them are harsher than I on the change of Hispanic attitude over the last 20 years. Then again there are complaints about younger generation in general as well. Go back to my original post and you will see "seemed to be adopting" which means they are in the process. Is this the only reason? No. As it has already been stated in the post, many of the industry hard hit have heavily Hispanic workers and like I said twice already some of reasons for the Hispanic unemployment number are different in general than other groups. Are there overlaps between groups? Yes but some reasons hit some groups harder than other.

If I would have said "70%of blacks grow up in a one parent home" or "abortion of 66% of all black pregnancies "I'm sure you would have called me a racist. There are reasons for that and "one part" of it is the black communities' attitudes.

Yes I'm a conservative and I'm tire of seeing our society as a whole going toward an entitlement mentality, whites included.

Jen FYI My longtime ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jen FYI
My longtime girlfriend sold her business and just moved to the town where I am living at. If you condemn her without knowing her situation, wouldn't that be call prejudging someone.

WayneFor the data I ... (Below threshold)

Wayne
For the data I used stats that are not unknown. It is not racist to state to cite that 70% of blacks come from a single parent home, and then say, let's get real about the problems in the black community that *may* be leading up to why the poverty rate is so high among blacks.

You see I have stats that I can then use to compare to other stats about the family dynamic. Studies all across the board that cross every ethnic and racial line, support children raised in a two parent home are more productive adults. No hanging out with my hispanic friends or opinions of attitude(which are speculative at best) are needed.

So once again I could care less about what you think others perceive as racist. You see each of us that read this blog have casual talk among their peers, and even Joe the Plumber types that they just meet. We all embellish and talk up, that is why an opinion is just that. Many people had the opinion that the economy was just fine, and then the numbers started coming in.

Once again citing stats on abortions, broken homes is not racist. Suggesting that blacks have a bad attitude, and Hispanics are getting worse in their attitude wreak of racism.

All blacks do not have a bad attitude towards work ethic, nor do all hispanics. See, your comment generalized people, based on their skin color. I find that repulsive.

The dialog needs to address what is different in the black communities where unemployment is so high, and then work on repairing the problems. I am confident that in the communities where this is so, the stats I listed on intact families, extremely high abortion rates, and crappy educational system exist.

To not include the fact that in these same above listed areas most likely are highest on dependency to government programs must not be overlooked. Many have commented in one form or another about the cycle of voting for those who give the black communities so much. This is such a terrible cycle, that I doubt will be repaired for a long time.

~~oh and to the FYI~~~ just how is this relevant? Are we still on the post? When did your paying all the bills for your girlfriend(your words)suggest that I was judging her? You came off with the bad attitude that blacks(and then you added to the post hispanics have--implying that this is the reason as to the high unemployment)...and the tossed in women to enlighten us how?

Didn't you see the past election? Women are clearly in all circles and able to do many jobs...I never tossed women in the mix with a post about the high rate of unemployment that blacks have.

Have a great night Wayne, I hope that you get some sleep to deal with the idea that so many people you work with are minorities with *bad attitudes* and that your live in girlfriend is another story.

Obama liedEmployment... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Obama lied
Employment opportunities died.

February's higher-than-a... (Below threshold)

February's higher-than-anticipated U.S. jobless rate of 8.1 percent shook America on Friday morning. ...

The unemployment rate for blacks in the United States hit 13.4 percent in February, the U.S. Department of Labor reported Friday.

"Unfortunately, the black unemployment rate is typically about twice the white unemployment rate," said Algernon Austin, ... "

Spit-balling here, but If unemployment for blacks is typically twice that for whites - and the jobless rate for ALL Americans is 8.1 percent (of which blacks are ~18%) - 13.4% is less than double of 8.1% - so, um, yeah - that sounds about right. Bottom line - there's no story here.

If they wanted a story - the REAL story is why is unemployment for blacks typically twice that for whites?

And more importantly - now that HE has risen and fixed all of our broken souls, wtf??

Not stupid. Effectively ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Not stupid. Effectively brainwashed into race and class warfare, yes -- something that's not race-specific.

I see. Blacks in America cannot think for themselves, but they're not stupid, and it's not about race. Got it.

And I was specifically contrasting liberalism and conservatism, not political parties.

Ok, you used "liberals" instead of "Democrats." What difference does it make? Here's what you said:

Liberals say claim they're on the side of the blacks, and that Conservatives are racists.

Most blacks believe them.

The implication being of course that conservatives are not racist, blacks are being lied to by "liberals," and they are too stupid to figure out the truth.

But tell me mantis, ever hear of the expression "keeping whitey on the hook"? I have. And Republicans didn't invent it.

I've heard lots of expressions. Who cares? What does that prove?

Conversations about intelligence aside, you think cultural baggage could possibly be counterproductive in advancement of a community?

Sure, absolutely, but that's not what you said. You said, in essence, that blacks are all being lied to, and most are too stupid to see the truth.

Don't play word games. If you believe it, own it.

Jen"Wayne you are ri... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jen
"Wayne you are right, you pay the bills so you are allowed to condemn the bad attitude."
You are the one who accuse my girlfriend of having a bad attitude with having very little facts.
"Have you ever been to a field where mostly hispanics are picking the crop?"

So you brought up personal experience as well.

"All blacks do not have a bad attitude towards work ethic, nor do all hispanics."

Never claim that and actually said the opposite of that but you seem to want to ignore that fact. It is about the percentages. If 14% of the black have bad attitudes toward work while 2% of whites do then that helps explain the difference in unemployment. Was I making a personal observation when I said many blacks have bad attitudes? Yes. There are studies that back me up on that. Am I going take time looking for those studies? Not this time. Most people tend to ignore studies they don't agree with so it would result in a good deal of work for little payback.

It sounds like you don't want to put any blame on any members of the group. They are all victims in your eyes with no responsibilities for their own actions.

It should come as a surpris... (Below threshold)
wet willie:

It should come as a surprise that unemployment rates are higher among blacks. They have been consistently higher than other races for generations. That's a dog-bites-man story. It would be actual news if the reverse was true.

You don't have to be a racist (and, for the record, I am not a racist) to note the staggering high school drop-out rate among inner-city blacks. Nor to notice that more than 50% of black babies are to unmarried mothers. Nor to notice the huge disparity among races in our country's prisons or to note the demographics of violent crime. Nor to note the distribution of unemployment, DCFS payments and other government dole programs.

I'll come right out and say what some blacks (such as Bill Cosby) will admit: the black "community" is a disgrace.

Correction:It shou... (Below threshold)
wet willie:

Correction:

It should *NOT* come as a surprise that unemployment rates are higher among blacks. They have been consistently higher than other races for generations. That's a dog-bites-man story. It would be actual news if the reverse was true.

You don't have to be a racist (and, for the record, I am not a racist) to note the staggering high school drop-out rate among inner-city blacks. Nor to notice that more than 50% of black babies are to unmarried mothers. Nor to notice the huge disparity among races in our country's prisons or to note the demographics of violent crime. Nor to note the distribution of unemployment, DCFS payments and other government dole programs.

I'll come right out and say what some blacks (such as Bill Cosby) will admit: the black "community" is a disgrace.

One of the problems I have ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

One of the problems I have with many of the government social programs is the programs tend to make people reliant on it instead of helping someone get on their feet. Once someone becomes reliant on the government, their self esteem goes down and tend to have a bad attitude overall. It is part the government fault but also part of the persons fault.

One example and it is only meant to be an illustration not absolute proof of anything so don't lecture me on using personal experience, I have a friend whose husband was hurt and is currently can't work and having additional expenses due to it. She is trying to get help but since she has some income and $300 in the bank which she is planning to use to pay the utilities bills with, she is having hard time getting help. If she would quit her job and spend the money in their account, then she would get all sorts of help. That is just wrong. The government is encouraging bad behavior. This isn't by any means the only time I have seen this happen.

WayneAre you trying ... (Below threshold)

Wayne
Are you trying to be a moron just to continue? Seeing small children working side by side their parents to bring money in is not an opinion, but generational work effort to support the family...it was observable by the working in the field-tangible.

Good luck with trying to sound any different than the way you are. Opinions on something such as attitude are not going to pass the mustard.

As to trying to deny your own words, here they are for us to clear up any gray matter Higher unemployment is nothing new for Blacks and their attitudes are "part" of the problem. Hispanics is another issue although many of them have seemed to be adopting bad attitudes as well. Women are yet again another issue. For example, my live-in girlfriend is technically unemployed yet does a good deal of work between her part time jobs. Then again she can go for a month without working since I am paying the bills

You completely resolve the issue as have a partial problem with attitude...all blacks have part of an issue with their attitude, then you add Hispanics and with your data of lumping an entire race of people together based on their attitude... Attitude is not race exclusive or more dominant on *badness* based on race...as to you citing percentages and then suggest one ignores studies one doesn't agree with is hilarious. First what study? As the study is biased to start with, remember emotions and attitude are not race exclusive!

And I am not sure you even read my comments. I willingly place blame on the problems. The data is quite high for blacks so this tells me that perhaps something in the environment of those higher numbers of blacks that are unemployed may be the key.

When you state thisIt sounds like you don't want to put any blame on any members of the group. They are all victims in your eyes with no responsibilities for their own actions you clearly have not read anything I have written.

For my final comment on this matter your *attitudes* in the race discussion are clear. You believe you are being open and not racist when in fact you are. You thoughts on race give credibility to the wackos who cry racism...as you are just not convinced that blacks or hispanics can be independently thought of outside their race. Regardless of how many hispanic friends you have or how progressive you think you are, you are not.

I see no victims in this data of unemployment, even if the environment is to blame...ie single parent home, poor education etc. What I see is the time to cease and desist the government funded destruction of the inner city black family. I see a solution that is going to be hard at first but will enable blacks in the inner cities to take back the responsibility for their well-being.

I bet this will be a shock but you are exactly like Al Sharpton, because you see the minorities as one block all thinking alike and behaving alike, and having the same attitudes. Newsflash-Sharpton is a racist and so are you.

Jen Jen JenYour obs... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jen Jen Jen
Your observations of field workers are no different from my observations. Is it not a statement of fact when I observe people who work part time jobs? As I originally stated it was an "example". Do you know what that means? You are the one who said that I would be in a spotlight if I express my opinion in the real world and the bar that a hang out with have about a 2-1 ratio of liberals to conservative and conservatives don't split straight down racial lines.

My original comments were not meant to be all inclusive and I clarified that many times in my following posts.

"Now only a bigot like yourself would think that those traits are share by all in those groups or even a majority of those groups. It only needs to be higher enough % from another group to explain the different stats of another group such as unemployment states."

"Never claim that and actually said the opposite of that but you seem to want to ignore that fact. It is about the percentages. If 14% of the black have bad attitudes toward work while 2% of whites do then that helps explain the difference in unemployment"

My statements about groups fall into line with how many refer to groups. Only when someone who is oversensitive reads them are they taken out of context. When people talk about Americans, British or any group traits, it is widely known that not everyone who belongs to those groups share those traits. If you want to know when someone is talking about a group if they mean all, majority and a significant percentage then ask them. I volunteered the information but you seem to ignore it. However you seem more than willing to jump to conclusions.

Once again you stated the blame is on the group's environment. Not once have you acknowledge that they have any influence on their environment or that they have any blame at all.

Jen One more thing, ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jen
One more thing, why is it not racist\bigotry for you to say something positive about a group\race but when someone says something negative it is? Surely you don't think every single person in group\race shares those positive attribute?




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