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Keeping it Classy -- Still Bashing Bush

Is President Obama ever going to learn that making comments like this one Sublog pointed to make him sound small in so many ways? That is especially so considering the way George Bush and Condi Rice have chosen to refrain from any criticism of the new administration. Enough said, here are the quotes (reported by the AP):

In his opening remarks, he underscored European and American ties and appeared intent on improving the U.S. image abroad, which suffered under George W. Bush. "I've come to Europe this week to renew our partnership," Obama said, bluntly claiming that the relationship between the United States and Europe had gone adrift, with blame on both sides.

"In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world," Obama said.

Instead of celebrating Europe's dynamic union and seeking to work with you, Obama said, "there have been times where America's shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."

He went on to say:
"But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans chose to blame America for much of what's bad," Obama said.

He added: "On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth."

I am glad he said the good America does should be recognized by Europe, but does he not realize how so many of the things he and Democrats have said over the past eight years have contributed to the way those in Europe and the rest of the world see us? All those in Europe and the rest of the world have done is agree with what Democrats have been telling them to believe about America. Maybe if they had been less interested to telling the world that George Bush and his administration were lying murderous criminals, those in Europe and the rest of the world might have thought somewhat differently of us.

He also said: "I think it is important for Europe to understand that even though I am president and George Bush is not president, al-Qaida is still a threat." I don't know why he is bothering to remind them of that considering he doesn't act like he much believes it.

Obama is the one who needs to realize he is President now. He is still acting like a candidate running a race against George Bush (who is, after all, who he ran against, not McCain).


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Comments (84)

I wish this fool would stop... (Below threshold)
914:

I wish this fool would stop apologizing and courtseying before muslims and just resign already.

Q: How many European leader... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Q: How many European leaders are Muslim?

A: 914 is an idiot.

The Bush bashing is just ge... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The Bush bashing is just getting started. Check back in 35 years.

"How many European leade... (Below threshold)
914:

"How many European leaders are muslim?"

If You had Your way or Obamas they will all be soon.

Asswipe

I am glad he said the go... (Below threshold)

I am glad he said the good America does should be recognized by Europe, but does he not realize how so many of the things he and Democrats have said over the past eight years have contributed to the way those in Europe and the rest of the world see us?

No, that would require actual introspection and self-examination and admission of duplicity.

Sarcasm aside, of course he realizes it. He used it to get elected. However, it's unrealistic to expect him to admit to such intellectual shortcomings and mistakes publicly, and nor as a leader should we really expect him to. Sure, it would be a helluva thing to admit to such wrongs, and it would go a long way toward closing the gap in the discourse between the parties in our country. But he'll never do it. Why? He's not the least bit interested in closing that gap; he and his party thrive on it, they helped make it, so why destroy something so politically expidient and useful.

The Bush bashing is just... (Below threshold)

The Bush bashing is just getting started. Check back in 35 years.

You need to see a shrink about your obsession, really.

'Obama said, "there have be... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

'Obama said, "there have been times where America's shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive." '

This is really weird. THE ONE could insert his own name in place of 'America's' and it would become an accurate statement. Of course, once you insert his name you could also add unctuous, condescending......

Obama should be thanking Bu... (Below threshold)

Obama should be thanking Bush as Bush screwing up so badly in too many areas to count is the big - and perhaps only - reason Obama is President today.

As a European ley me assure... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopolis:

As a European ley me assure you that we are still puzzling over what the hell happened to America over the past 8 years.

Not only was the great respect and admiration we had for America lost but judging from the content of the author and commenters about 40 IQ points have come off the collective intelligence.

You people have been hit brutally hard by an administration that almost destroyed your country. Yet you kneel down in submission to these "republicans"

Obama has only a slim chance of restoring your country to what it once was....yet you still respect the people like Bush who almost destroyed the America we loved.

gnossoss papadopolis,.... (Below threshold)
maggie:

gnossoss papadopolis,.

Considering where you are posting from,
you should give it some serious thought
of packing up and returning to the
supremely superior EU.

Maggie, I'm with you.... (Below threshold)
mag:

Maggie, I'm with you.


If the media had build up Bush like the did Obama, and treated Obama like Bush...then the world opinion would be different.

Love us or Hate us, for me I couldn't care less.

Bu... bu... but... you're b... (Below threshold)
Tyrone Powerless:

Bu... bu... but... you're bashing Obama here. Isn't that hypocrisy?

Listen, let's put this partisan hackery aside. Obviously, he's going to "bash" the members of the opposing party-- what, you thought he was going to quit because you don't like him? No, silly, he'll be a candidate in 2012 and he'll win the nomination and then Sarah Palin will get charged with another ethics violation and bye bye to our hopes of taking back the White House.

People, let's focus on the little things-- the issues. We're expending too much energy in our fight against Bama... we have almost four years, so let's work on our messaging. There's a blog about advertising called the Power of Small (not trying to get you to go there so I didn't like to it), and it's subtitled "Why Little Things Make A Big Difference." We used to the party that understood that-- that it's focusing on our core issues, the "little things" that people forget about that helped Karl Rove put George Bush in the White House.

Let's work on that, shall we?

Yet you kneel down in su... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Yet you kneel down in submission to these "republicans"

What you Europeans must understand is that we Americans kneel down before no one on earth.

As a European, you must be familiar with your European history.

At the end of World War I, Germany was crushed. Germany's new Weimar Republic inherited the vast burden of debt and the burgeoning weight of reparations. Add in the fact that tax revenues were low due to the weak economy, while the outflow of payments in gold fueled inflation.

It also quickly became apparent that Germany would be unable to meet its reparation obligations. In July 1920 the German mark plunged dramatically as the Weimar government informed the Allies it could not meet the schedule of payments, but that it would continue disbursements of coal and other natural resources. With the U.S. pressuring Britain and France to repay their own war debts, the Allies grew all the more determined that Germany pay up. France's new premier, Raymond Poincare, accused Germany of deliberately withholding payments and trying to force the Allies to make concessions by ruining its own currency.

On January 11, 1923, French and Belgian troops occupied the Ruhr, a region which furnished 4/5's of Germany's coal and steel production. The miners refused to work for the enemy and the Germans simply printed more money with which to pay them not to, allowing inflation to spiral completely out of control. The economy was strangled and the free fall in the mark was incredible. Following is the historic slide:

July 1914 - 4.2 marks to the dollar
January 1919 - 8.9 marks to the dollar
July 1919 - 14.0 marks to the dollar
January 1920 - 64.8 marks to the dollar
July 1920 - 39.5 marks to the dollar
January 1921 - 64.9 marks to the dollar
July 1921 - 76.7 marks to the dollar
January 1922 - 1919.8 marks to the dollar
July 1922 - 493.2 marks to the dollar
January 1923 - 17,972 marks to the dollar
July 1923 - 353,412 marks to the dollar
August 1923 - 4,620,455 marks to the dollar
September 1923 - 98,860,000 marks to the dollar
October 1923 - 25,260,208,000 marks to the dollar
November 15, 1923 - 4,200,000,000,000 (Yes, trillion) marks to the dollar

By late 1923, the German government required 1,783 printing presses, running around the clock, to print money.

Germans wheeled shopping carts filled with literally trillions of marks to pay for a single loaf of bread. Employees asked to be paid their wages each morning so that they could shop at noon before merchants posted the afternoon price rises.

At the height of the currency crisis an interested spectator commented:

"The government calmly goes on printing these scraps of paper because, if it stopped, that would be the end of the government. Because once the printing presses stopped - and that is the prerequisite for the stabilization of the mark - the swindle would at once be brought to light. Believe me, our misery will increase. The scoundrel will get by. The reason: because the State itself has become the biggest swindler and crook. A robbers' state!? If the horrified people notice that they can starve on billions, they must arrive at this conclusion: we will no longer submit to a State which is built on the swindling idea of the majority. We want a dictatorship."

Thus spoke Adolf Hitler.

Now that you've been re-familiarized with your European history, please remind us, who shall we thank for hyper-inflation because of Obama's insatiable desire to print money?

Think harder and devote ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Think harder and devote more time to endgame, girlies.

Your erudite comment compels me to desire just that.

Ouch, zinger.Using... (Below threshold)
mrbushies:

Ouch, zinger.

Using 'erudite' in a sentence has shown me how masssive your intellect is. Clay is BRILLIANT, everyone!!

Republicans are the most fear-filled party of girls ever seen. Muslims scare us, the world scares us, our country isn't ours... you bunch of pussies. You have no strength or courage, just a bunch of whimpering souls all crying to each other and anyone who will listen. Go suck your thumbs and shut the fuck up while people are trying to fix your shitty messes.

"Obama should be thankin... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Obama should be thanking Bush as Bush screwing up so badly in too many areas to count is the big - and perhaps only - reason Obama is President today."

Close, steve, but wrong.

It was the perception of "Bush screwing up so badly" by information retarded voters, thanks to media malpractice, that is the only reason Obama is President today.

Wow! Mr. Bushies is feeling... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! Mr. Bushies is feeling his oats today. Actually calling us out. He must be with his "boy friends". I have never met a liberal with courage, honor or committment. Still looking, but it is elusive. ww

A guy named 'WildWillie' br... (Below threshold)
mrbushies:

A guy named 'WildWillie' brings homosexuality into the discussion and tries to call someone else gay. Brilliance is all over this comment page! Well, WildWillie, we know who's loving homos!

Comment more, gentlemen. Your fear is running rampant in everything you say. Everything is going to get you, girlies! Muslims, homosexuals, democrats, they're all a-coming!

Comment more, gentlemen.... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Comment more, gentlemen.

Oh my. What can we say now that you have the intellectual upper hand? But, I think you may lose your voice soon. Pity, that.

"But in Europe, th... (Below threshold)
marc:
"But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious."
Ironic barack hussein obama quote considering the most leftest, anti-American rag in the U.K. has completely debased his remarks given in the country:

"Barack Obama, the World's Greatest Orator."

gnossoss papadopolis - "Obama has only a slim chance of restoring your country to what it once was....yet you still respect the people like Bush who almost destroyed the America we loved."

The reality is he has a very real chance at making the U.S. economy far worse than those of the E.U. that has consistently had double the annual unemployment rate and half the growth rate of the U.S. over the last 2-3 decades.

While you revel in the "greatness" of the E.U., take a moment to piss off.

Mr. Bushies, we know what y... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Mr. Bushies, we know what you are like. Just skip on down the road. ww

WildWillie!! I'm glad you'r... (Below threshold)
mrbushies:

WildWillie!! I'm glad you're back!! How is it being a closet-queer with the rest of the republicans, WildWillie? And you should really stop being soooo scared of the big bad world and the democrats and everything else. And STOP emailing me for my number, WildWillie! This isn't your queer dating site!
depp=true
notiz=Say goodbye bushie

"Not only was the great res... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Not only was the great respect and admiration we had for America lost but judging from the content of the author and commenters about 40 IQ points have come off the collective intelligence."

Hate to rain on Mr Europe's parade, but when I was stationed in Germany in 1967, American's weren't popular then either. Far as I can see, nothing has changed. Perhaps we Americans should pull out of Europe. WWII's been over for 64 years. Perhaps you Eruo's can divert some of you social welfare funds back into your own defense establishments.

As for the Bush bashers. Nothing has changed there either. He's gone, their still moaning and gnashing their teeth. We'll still hear the same from them in 2012. Especially in explaining The One's economic failures.

"It was the perception o... (Below threshold)

"It was the perception of "Bush screwing up so badly" by information retarded voters, "

yeah, insult everybody who thinks Bush was pretty much a total screw up... if only we weren't so dense and incapable of filtering out the media bias we (like DJ)) would recognize just how lucky we were to have Bush as president and we would have not only elected McCain by a landslide we would have kicked every last one of the Democrats out of Congress.

Europe has its own problems... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Europe has its own problems. My heart really goes out to the citizens there, because they never chose to be the EU. That and the euro were just imposed on them, and Obama is the talking head distraction to perpetuate the same in the U.S. Bad times are going to be had by all.

You guys delete and reframe... (Below threshold)
mrbushies:

You guys delete and reframe my comments? What scared, moronic children y'all are!! Don't want to answer for always complaining and crying, eh? Poor baby closet-homos, see you guys in your retarded afterlife! Europe's going to get you, Muslims too!! And they hurt your widdle bittie feelings, girlies!!!
depp=true
notiz=You can be just as silly without your vowels too.

And they hurt your... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
And they hurt your widdle bittie feelings, girlies!!!

What boring silliness. Don't you have some party to go to and be "The life of"? Plenty of lampshades to wear if you look for them.

It was the perception of... (Below threshold)
Brian:

It was the perception of "Bush screwing up so badly" by information retarded voters, thanks to media malpractice,

Classic persecution complex. You're right, and the rest of the world is wrong.

"If there's nothing wrong with me... maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

LOL, oh no, you took away m... (Below threshold)
mrbushies:

LOL, oh no, you took away my vowels too!!! Do you think I'm Muslim?? HaHa!!! Take away everyone's rights you don't like! Perfect Republicans, LOL! And comment on portions of my comments, you pathetic fear-filled retards!! HAHA!!!!

I'll buy you some vowels, m... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I'll buy you some vowels, mrbushies. Except the Republicans sold them all away in free market capitalism.

And comment on por... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
And comment on portions of my comments, you pathetic fear-filled retards!! HAHA!!!!
He's not bashing Bush, he's... (Below threshold)
joyost:

He's not bashing Bush, he's apologizing for the 8 long years of Bush. It's necessary before America can move on to rebuilding our relationships with our allies.
That process will happen a lot quicker by acknowledging the problems caused by Americans (Bush) first. The riff was caused by Bush, not Europe. It's called being a man/adult, and owing up to what your side has done wrong, and reassuring that things have changed now.

You're right, your comments... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

You're right, your comments look even stupider in blockquotes.

MrBushies, if you find you ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

MrBushies, if you find you can't post on here, it's because they blocked your IP address. Too bad, I liked what you were saying. Land of the Free indeed, what a joke.

he's apologizing f... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
he's apologizing for the 8 long years of Bush

Then he should be apologizing ahead of time as to how ineffectual his term as talking head will be.

Land of the Free i... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Land of the Free indeed, what a joke.

I am sure there are plenty of blogs where he can post his "entertainment". We haven't been the lamd of the free since the turn of the century, but we are definitely not the home of the that stupid.

dang, *land of the free... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

dang, *land of the free

Posting at Wizbang is not a... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Posting at Wizbang is not a right, it's a
privilege.
Some do tend to forget that.

It's interesting that you j... (Below threshold)
Dave:

It's interesting that you just claimed he was stupid without actually addressing anything he was saying. I know the next thing you'll say is that it's too stupid to comment on or something to that effect. The point is, he was saying something that was interesting and none of you had any response to that. Except say it was stupid, take away his vowels, and delete his comments. Not a very good rebuke, in my opinion. And you're right, it's not the land of the free with people such as yourself in it. Well done.

Excellent post, brilliantly... (Below threshold)

Excellent post, brilliantly stated!

It's interesting t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
It's interesting that you just claimed he was stupid without actually addressing anything he was saying.

It's not that interesting. All he was doing was repeating himself with "your widdle feelings are hurt". What's parroting the same nonsense got to do with the post. It's a perspective given by the blogger that got "booed" by someone without a point. All he said was the Republicans were "fear filled" without any examples, then prattled on with the same nose-thumbing. What was to be addressed?

he's apologizing f... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
he's apologizing for the 8 long years of Bush

While continuing most of Bush's war on terror policies. It's just the kind of two faced approach the EU likes.

So you're saying that none ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

So you're saying that none of this, this post included, is not motivated by fear?

And you took away his privi... (Below threshold)
Dave:

And you took away his privileges, not his rights. That sounds much better for the silencing of a voice that does not represent your own views.

Bushie was adding nothing o... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Bushie was adding nothing of value for anyone
to read, he was hijacking the thread to be
disruptive.
Wiabang is not a democracy.

So you're saying t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
So you're saying that none of this, this post included, is not motivated by fear?

Fear of what? Obama isn't even running the show, here. His shadow (Emanuel, et al) is telling him what to say. He couldn't even be "outraged" over the AIG bonuses until he was advised. Obama's focus of blame is all he can use right now because nothing will change in his admin. He's run out of campaign slogans, so he had to keep backtracking to the "good ol' days" when hating the president was cool. No good news, so let's conjure up some more bad news. Tired and boring without solutions. His criticism would be more reputable if he hadn't been in support of Bush for years before his campaign began.

Then it would appear that W... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Then it would appear that Wizbang is nothing but a place for people to gather and talk crap about the US. You talk about people bashing Bush while you bash Obama. This is a joke.
And you still will not address the matter of fear. Disheartening.
You say this place is not a democracy with the same zealousness as a dictator. No doubt the folks who agree with you think this lovely, and people who do not are shown the door.
The problem with the original post is the problem with America. Instead of owning up to anything bad being done in first place, there's anger with the messengers. The democrats were saying what was being done, and republicans say it's their fault for naming the problem. Rather than addressing the actual problem.
This is bull.

You did address the fear is... (Below threshold)
Dave:

You did address the fear issue, I apologize.

Dave, I read every ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Dave,
I read every post, and when I begin to
read one post after another that is nothing
it's tiresome.
Your not liking the fact that someone has the
authority to take away a posters privileges just
makes me weep. Not.

Dave there are a number of ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Dave there are a number of left wing commenters on this blog that don't get disemvoweled. I see that you have made quite a few comments and no one has banned you or disemvoweled you.

If you really want a treat, go to Democratic Underground and pretend to be a conservative. You don't have to believe what you write, or even be wacky or rude.

In fact try this, post this comment on any thread on DU, "There are times when I actually miss Bush." See what kind of reaction you get.

I dare you.

Wow.... (Below threshold)
Dave:

Wow.

The wow is for maggie. ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

The wow is for maggie.

I understand this, Eric. I'm not a democrat or republican, I'm independent. It's hard to see this is all. I think that silencing someone is the harshest thing to do. I didn't think everything bushie said was genius, but there were parts that provoked thought. And I think listening to both sides is important.

Dave,It doesn't ta... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Dave,

It doesn't take much to keep from being disemvowelled - or banned - here. Be respectful of others and practice civil discourse and you're good. Sheesh, some good tte and maners help. I don't always agree with folks here, but I've never been tossed. As Jay Tea used to say (paraphrased), "If you come into my house and take a crap on my sofa, I'm probably going to give you the boot."

If you take away the insults and profanity, he really wasn't saying much.

Don't fake outrage. It's transparent to even the most naive.

Uhm...that's "taste and man... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Uhm...that's "taste and manners". Not sure what happened there.

Sheesh. Was that you again, maggie? LOL.

Obama is over in Europe bad... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Obama is over in Europe bad-mouthing the United States in hopes of gaining good will and making the U.S. into just another nation among many. Guess the world needs to look to China for leadership, because it hasn't been found in Europe for nearly a century and the U.S doesn't want the job anymore. Maybe China will take the lead on the environment, HIV, middle east peace, nuclear proliferation, and genocide.

Yes, the U.S. should pull it's troops out of Europe, after all there's nothing to fear from Russia anymore. No need for the U.S. to pressure a reluctant EU to sanction Iran, just let them go to war with Israeli. The danger of nuclear fallout is way overblown and most of the people in the EU will survive.

I agree with what you say, ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I agree with what you say, Clay. It is important to be civil, and he could certainly have had more manners.

Do not tell me I am what I am saying or doing, however. It's the condescension in your writing that originally sparked me to write on this blog. If everyone is acting like you do, or the other fellow, no one will listen to each other.

Dave -Nobody on he... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Dave -

Nobody on here should have a problem with rational disagreement. Hell, I find that's part of the fun here, when you come across someone who can express themselves clearly and sensibly who can rationally argue an opposing point of view.

LOL, oh no, you took away my vowels too!!! Do you think I'm Muslim?? HaHa!!! Take away everyone's rights you don't like! Perfect Republicans, LOL! And comment on portions of my comments, you pathetic fear-filled retards!! HAHA!!!!
The above? It just doesn't qualify.

As Eric said - try going over to DU and posting something contrary to the popular opinion there. You won't last long there. Same thing with DKos, or HuffPo - you'll be banned and deleted in short order. (And then there will be self-congratulatory backslapping about how compassionate and tolerant they themselves are, and how hate filled and intolerant the rightwingnuts are.)

But the funny thing is - on the supposed 'right wing hate sites', if you've actually got a coherent arguement, you'll be allowed to post and you'll be taken seriously, get into dialogs and be exposed to other points of view.

Funny thing for haters to do, isn't it?

Obama's <a href="http://nic... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Obama's vision of the future, and a closer look at the light source behind it.

It took me all of 30 second... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

It took me all of 30 seconds to be banned at WizBlue for asking a question about the Black Panthers stationing themselves outside a few voting spots on election day. Deleted and banned with zero explanation. Land of the free? Not in the home of the blue.

"As Jay Tea used to say..."... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"As Jay Tea used to say..."-Clay

I've been banned by Jay Tea three times and three times I googled "proxy browser".

(Now if I could only find another backdoor to Easynews!)

Mind you, I was never banned for profanity or for calling somebody jelly belly, but for arguing my point too well (which I occasionally do), and once for citing Biblical history or something. Religion always seemed to give Jay Tea the heebie jeebies. He read my "Zedekiah" reference and *OMG!-boink*

BTW, who here remembers "mr.ho" and "ARepublican", circa 2006? Those guys were GOOD. (Or Bad. It depends.)

No one yet has accused The ... (Below threshold)

No one yet has accused The Teleprompted One We Have Been Waiting For of being overly classy that I've seen...not when his wife gave plastic throwaway toys to Brown's kids, not when he gave the political leader of our closest ally a handful of DVDs that no one in his country can even watch on normal equipment as a big 'welcoming' gift...and certainly not when he presented the Queen of England with an iPod (made in China, thank you very much) larded up with video of his own speeches. There are plenty of words to use...but classy ain't one of 'em.

A fricking iPod. To the Queen of England.

Yep, it's the all-purpose, ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Yep, it's the all-purpose, one-size-fits-all smear you'll be hearing for a long, long time to come: Republican X = Bush.

You can't vote for him, he's just like Bush.

She's Bush in a dress.

OMG he's a Republican, like Bush.

OMG he's Conservative, just like Bush.

He's more Bush than Bush.

He's from Texas, like Bush.

He's from the South, like Bush.

Another Values Voter guy, another Bush.

Vote for him . . . if you want more George W. Bush.

He says he's not like Bush but you know what that means; he's exactly like Bush.

The country can't afford another Bush.

I like him but he reminds me of Bush.

Adrian,I know Bush... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Adrian,

I know Bush, and he's no Bush, just aping him when it comes to national security.

Wanna laugh your asses off ... (Below threshold)
G.:

Wanna laugh your asses off at the expense of the "One".
Check this reporters review of the amateur getting flummoxed by a reporter in Great Britain.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/03/g20-barack-obama-nick-robinson-question

Mind you, I was ne... (Below threshold)
Mind you, I was never banned for profanity or for calling somebody jelly belly, but for arguing my point too well

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Good heavens, you really are delusional, aren't you?

"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Good hea... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Good heavens, you really are delusional, aren't you?"
65. Posted by OregonMuse

Oh. The guy with the dead hyperlink under his name.

Did it come with a bowl of soup?

I think it's entirely disin... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I think it's entirely disingenuous that someone from Europe would step in and paint some bald-faced lie of a picture to describe the evolution of European sentiment in regard to Americans. If you think Europeans respected and admired Americans "before" and don't "now", then you haven't been paying attention.

I find this statement rather odd too:

Obama has only a slim chance of restoring your country to what it once was...

Restoring? No sir, Obama's plan is "remaking" America into what it never was. The fact is, Europeans have such a high regard for themselves that while they complain that America is trying to remake the world in their own image, the Europeans wish America to be remade into their own image. And they applaud it happening.

You may sadly get your wish. When our government no longer supports Eastern European countries struggling to become more democratic and Russian influence again absorbs their lands, creeping closer to your comfortable borders, who will you turn to?

As Obama gets rounds of applause for his decision to close Guantanamo, which of your countries will step up to the plate to take the most dangerous of them into your bosom? I mean after all, they got a raw deal. They're innocent, right?

As America was constantly bashed by Europeans for her unwillingness to "barter" with Iran over its nuclear ambitions, how did all those European talks with them go? How's all that "Jew hating" going over there? And let's not even get into taxation...with some of your countries pushing 45-50% tax rates on average individuals how come you haven't wiped out poverty? Why is it cause for celebration in France when under a thousand cars get torched over the New Year holiday? How's the unemployment rate going over there? While ours is the highest in 25 years, yours is the highest in only 3 years.

We have our own set of problems here and you have yours. Why, oh why, do we want our problems to be just like yours? So we can all sit on the same pity pot?

Bush bashing. Yes. Obama ba... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Bush bashing. Yes. Obama bashing? Yes. Both sides ought to quit whining about it = it's been going on since President Washington.

Pointing out Obamas terribl... (Below threshold)
914:

Pointing out Obamas terrible track record of bashing his own country (along with his wife)is not bashing or whining about him. It simply points out how leftists hate traditional American society.

Depending on which year you... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Depending on which year you have in mind when you use the word "traditional", I think one might actually be morally obligated to hate "traditional American society".

I was refering to leaders o... (Below threshold)
914:

I was refering to leaders of this Country historically and how they had respect for the Country and citizens unlike the current crowd.

Depending on which... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Depending on which year you have in mind when you use the word "traditional", I think one might actually be morally obligated to hate "traditional American society".

Of course you could say that about any country that's been around for more than 200 years. It's hard to judge anyone when the ground you stand on is shifting sand.

"Unlike the current crowd..... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

"Unlike the current crowd..." You mean of course your fellow right wing bloggers?

"Unlike the current crow... (Below threshold)
914:

"Unlike the current crowd..." " You mean of course Your fellow right wing bloggers?"

No, I meant the current crowd of tax cheats and socialists currently trying to destroy this country from D.C.

Oh, I thought you meant the... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Oh, I thought you meant the crowd of Bush and his supporters like you who destroyed the fabric of our economic system, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people to show his daddy how tough he is, attacked the basic fundamental values of our country by torturing people, turned off the vast majority of the world by his arrogant bullying, all the while being cheered on by Republicans and the right wing of this country.

I was sure that was who you meant by the "current crowd."

...destroyed the fabric ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

...destroyed the fabric of our economic system, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people to show his daddy how tough he is, attacked the basic fundamental values of our country by torturing people, turned off the vast majority of the world by his arrogant bullying...

Gawrsh. I can't really offer an argument. But, I would like to ask you a question: How do you feel about Obama as Bush's 3rd term? If you disagree, could you tell me why? I mean, beside the part about showing his daddy how tough he is.

Didja ever notice it takes ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Didja ever notice it takes a "troll" to generate 76 comments? When you Wizbangers all agree with each other you get 10, 12, maybe 20 comments. Put a guy like Bushie into the mix -- seventy freaking six.

Who did Bush tortu... (Below threshold)
914:

Who did Bush torture? I mean besides the Democrats by winning consecutive 4 year terms?

Bush killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? You mean the partial birth aborted ones? Or maybe Your referring to the ones killed as a result of the HUSSEIN regime?

Arrogant bullying? Bank bailouts with all the accompanying dictatorial stipulations come to mind.

Didja ever notice ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Didja ever notice it takes a "troll" to generate 76 comments? When you Wizbangers all agree with each other you get 10, 12, maybe 20 comments. Put a guy like Bushie into the mix -- seventy freaking six.

If you look at Wizbang Blue you'll see they seldom get 20 comments and it's not because they don't post controversial stories, its because they are quick to ban those who don't agree with the authors of those stories. It's so bad on the Blue pages that Paul Hooson occasionally comments on the main page just to have a discussion with the living. If the libs practiced tolerance toward those who don't agree with them they to could have lively debates or at least screaming matches.

Unrepentant Democrat,... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Unrepentant Democrat,

You mean unhealed Democrat still suffering from a severe case of BDS.

I have to admit that Wizban... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I have to admit that Wizbang Blue is the lamest liberal site I have ever visited. I only discovered this site because Jay Tea is a frequent "troll" on "Oliver Willis Like Kryptonite To Stupid." So you guys have him to thank if I annoy you.

I really enjoy arguing with you guys. I have my opinions about how Maggie does things (I think she's a bit of a bully) but I can live with it if y'all can live with me.

Bruce Henry, I was ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Bruce Henry,
I was hired to be the sheriff of Wizbang.
Bully bully for me.
I always carry a large stick and usually
speak softly.

Great to have You both arou... (Below threshold)
914:

Great to have You both around..

Amazing too is that all it ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Amazing too is that all it took was 76 comments for Bruce Henry to pop in and say, "Look! 76 comments! That means....um....I'm sure it means something..."

I think it was just his opening to get another opportunity to say, "Maggie's mean."




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