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Medvedev Calls Obama His "New Comrade"

Enough said.

Cue Glenn Becks' Comrade update:


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One day Beck invokes Social... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

One day Beck invokes Socialism and the next it's Fascism. It can't be both.

And his choking . . .

back . . .

the, the . . .

tears shtick is already tired.

OT, but MSNBC has a live po... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

OT, but MSNBC has a live poll up rating Obama's performance as President:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493093/

Right now it's A- 36%, B- 7%, C- 4%, D- 13%, F- 40%

Getting back on topic: He sure is a polarizing comrade isn't he...

"One day Beck invokes So... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"One day Beck invokes Socialism and the next it's Fascism. It can't be both."

Why, comrade Adrian? Those two things are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination. (Not that I'd expect you to be able to comprehend that, but I'd really love to hear you attempt to defend your comment.)

Obama can be, and is, both.

I guess when the guy you've... (Below threshold)
groucho:

I guess when the guy you've supported for the last 8 years was disrespected, mocked and generally reviled around the world it must be difficult to accept someone who other leaders might actually respect, eh?

Depends on who's doing the ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Depends on who's doing the respecting, groucho. Somehow, having Chavez respect you isn't quite in the same league as having the respect of the leader of the UK or the Australia PM. And frankly, who'd want (for example) Pol Pot's respect when HE was leading his country, or Idi Amin?

Russia may be a friend or it may be an enemy. Right now - it's a bit iffy.

I wish we had one groucho. ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

I wish we had one groucho.

Sure the leftist press and Hollywood respects Obama, when they had no respect at all for former President Bush, but can you give an actually real world example of "other leaders" respecting Obama more than former President Bush?

Not sure Andrea Merkel lack... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Not sure Andrea Merkel lacked respect for Bush, but her visible shudder when he put his hands on her shoulders was pretty telling.

And I guess Medvedev has more respect for Obama than he did for Bush, which is a good thing in that bilateral nuclear arms reduction is now on the table.

"her visible shudder whe... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"her visible shudder when he put his hands on her shoulders was pretty telling"

Agreed. It told us that she had good reflexes and could react like any other human would when startled.

"And I guess Medvedev has more respect for Obama than he did for Bush"

Well he does see Obama as an ideological comrade, but that doesn't automatically mean he has more respect for him. I'd "guess" former President Bush representing a strong and powerful America would command more respect than Obama representing a weak and subservient America.

"Sure the leftist press and... (Below threshold)
jmc:

"Sure the leftist press and Hollywood respects Obama, when they had no respect at all for former President Bush, but can you give an actually real world example of "other leaders" respecting Obama more than former President Bush?"

What you mean like a written declaration from France saying, "We the people of France like Obama and think Bush was a boob?" Countries or leaders usually don't do that. Although, it seems like they sure are speaking more findly of Obama.

Well he does see ... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Well he does see Obama as an ideological comrade, but that doesn't automatically mean he has more respect for him. I'd "guess" former President Bush representing a strong and powerful America would command more respect than Obama representing a weak and subservient America.

Just as long as he doesn't think of him as an idiot who looks into people's eyes sees what a good man they are."

America was weak under Bush, because the world ignored the doofus. They are willing to work with Obama.

"Although, it seems like... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Although, it seems like they sure are speaking more findly of Obama"

Again, can I have an actual real world example, and not just an opinion of how things seem to a Marxist mind?

"Just as long as he doesn't think of him as an idiot who looks into people's eyes sees what a good man they are."

That's just projection jmc, and does not prove anything other than how you and your comrades felt about former President Bush, and we already knew that.

"America was weak under Bush, because the world ignored the doofus."

That's just hate and igorance.

"They are willing to work with Obama."

There is yet to be an actual example of this, but time will tell.

Say jmc, what President was it again that formed the second largest coalition of nations in the history of the human race? (And I'll give you a clue: his father, also a President, created the largest coaliton of nations in the history of the human race.)

Yeah, P.B., Obama is waa... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Yeah, P.B., Obama is waaaaaaaaay too deferential to the Saudis, isn't he.

The relationship between American and Saudi heads of state should be a great source of national embarrassment for all Americans, not part of partisan gotcha politics.

P. Bunyan, Dr. Lawrence Bri... (Below threshold)
jmc:

P. Bunyan, Dr. Lawrence Britt examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia.

I'm Sean Hannity a real American.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security...torture anyone?

I'm glen beck, Shoot 'em in the field don't torture them.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause...isalmaic facisim?

Islamic fascist!

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems.

Sounds like Obama to me.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.


He have to protect the family the gays are coming! the gays are coming!

6. Controlled Mass Medi... (Below threshold)
jmc:

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

How can to criticize president Bush in a time of war!

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

9-11! 9-11! 9-11!

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders.

There is higher father guiding me in Iraq!

9. Corporate Power is Protected -

Don't go, regulating Banks!


10. Labor Union Power is Suppressed -

Hmm, seems like you guys would like to bust the unions.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -

Damn intellectual elites!

Read the rest at: http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Obama is a liberal Bunyan. Your team swings into fascism and you need to watch out for it.

But jmc, you have to rememb... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

But jmc, you have to remember that the stupidest of all wingnut welfare recipients--Jonah Goldberg--has succeeded in convincing a few cranks that liberalism is just like fascism, except more cuddly or something. Whole Foods, mandatory wheelchair ramps, and all that.

Teh stoooopid! It burrrrrns!

" the gays are coming! the ... (Below threshold)
CZ:

" the gays are coming! the gays are coming!" - Posted by jmc

As long as it's inside each other who cares?

depp=true

"Teh stoooopid! It burrrrrn... (Below threshold)
jmc:

"Teh stoooopid! It burrrrrns!"

Doesn't it though?

jmc,Holy cow! I'm... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

jmc,

Holy cow! I'm shocked that a college professor would study fascist regimes and find a bunch of "defining charactistics" that could easily be compared to those of right thinking persons! Shocked I am! Terribly shocked! Who-da-thunk-it?

/sarc off

In all seriousness, though, since you chose to ignore my points and questions, because you weren't honest enough or man enough to answer them, and instead choose to change the subject to (I gussing) my #3 comment--were the rants you posted in #13 & 14 an attempt to refute my point that socialism and fascism are not mutually exclusive?

If so you failed.

Now, I'm not saying that fascism can't occur on the right. It does. But think about this:

Hitler - socialist
Moussalini - socialist
several Latin American regimes - socialist/communist

Just pointing out that some college professor found "defining charactistics" of fascist regimes that could be attributed to right thinking/conservative persons does not in anyway refute my opinion that Obama is a socialist and a fascist.

BTW jmc,From your ... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

BTW jmc,

From your silly little list I can see some things that obviously apply much more to the American left wing than the right:

"2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights"

"The unborn are not humans they're just lumps of goo-like tumors."

"3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause"

Capitolists, Christian fundamentalists, Republicans...

"5. Rampant Sexism"

Bill Clinton, et al.

"6. Controlled Mass Media "

Need I say more about this one?

"8. Religion and Government are Intertwined",

Court ordered and state sponsored atheism in public schools (esp. science classes) and other public buildings/areas and banning all other religions from those institutions.

"11. Disdain for Intellectuals... "

Right thinking college professors, ect.

See? It works both ways, jmc.

P.B., that is one tired can... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

P.B., that is one tired canard you've got there. "Socialist" is a word that can be used to describe every single American president in history if you're willing to apply it to Hitler.

Hyper,The Natzi Pa... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Hyper,

The Natzi Party was originally formed as the "National Socialist Workers Party".

Please take a few years to study history and then maybe you'll be up to making a reasonable argument on this subject. (Of course if you did that you'd also realize how very wrong you often are.)

"Socialist" is a w... (Below threshold)
"Socialist" is a word that can be used to describe every single American president in history if you're willing to apply it to Hitler.

What's wrong with applying the word "socialist" to Hitler? After all, he was the leader of the National Socialist Party in Germany, wasn't he?

Hey hyper, have you actuall... (Below threshold)

Hey hyper, have you actually read Goldberg's book, or are you just relying on reviews by idiots who give no indication of having read it?

Also, hyper, it's not just ... (Below threshold)

Also, hyper, it's not just us deranged wingnuts here at Wizbang who are comparing Obama's economic policies to those of Nazi Germany.

It's also the New York Times:

Nyuk nyuk!

See? It works bot... (Below threshold)
jmc:
See? It works both ways, jmc.

HAHAHA. No Bunyun, you are not even close.


"2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights"

"The unborn are not humans they're just lumps of goo-like tumors."

Wow, really good point. I mean sure Hitler, banned abortion, Mussolini banned abortion, Franco baned abortion, Suharto banned abortion, yet somehow by not banning abortion the left is just like them. Really clever point.

"3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause"

"Capitolists, Christian fundamentalists, Republicans..."

Wow another really good point. I'm glad you bring up the scapegoating of religious fundamentalist, because Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto All commonly used religious terminology in order to justify their actions.
"5. Rampant Sexism"

Bill Clinton, et al.

having sex not the same as making goverment policy to outlaw abortion which, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and Suharto did. Repress Homosexual rights which Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and Suharto did. Or use the goverment to protect the family which Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and Suharto did.


"6. Controlled Mass Media "

Need I say more about this one?

So we agree on the conservative bias in the corparate media?

"8. Religion and Government are Intertwined",

Court ordered and state sponsored atheism in public schools (esp. science classes) and other public buildings/areas and banning all other religions from those institutions.

Uhh, My not so bright friend, Atheisim is not a religion, it is the absense of it. And there is no goverment policy calling for atheism anywhere. banning religion is the opposite of intertwining it with the goverment. thanks for proving that liberals are not guilty of this fascist trait.

"11. Disdain for Intellectuals... "

Right thinking college professors, ect.

Name an instance, when the left refers to right thinking professors as the intellectual elite... sad argument really...

Holy cow! I'm sho... (Below threshold)
jmc:
Holy cow! I'm shocked that a college professor would study fascist regimes and find a bunch of "defining charactistics" that could easily be compared to those of right thinking persons! Shocked I am! Terribly shocked! Who-da-thunk-it?


"11. Disdain for Intellectuals... " :) Seems you are much more of a fascist than Obama is.




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