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Biden Back To His Old Tricks

The Bush administration (and other Republicans) may finally be responding to the endless assault on its legacy that began many years ago. One of the most frustrating aspects of being a supporter of President Bush during his two terms was witnessing the failure of the administration (and the Republican leadership) to defend itself when attacked by the Left on all manner of issues. It should be said that congressional Republicans opened the door for plenty of this criticism (and paid the requisite price in 2006 midterm elections) by spending like Democrats for a decade.

However, the recent foreign policy excursion by President Obama to the G20 meeting and other locales served as a harsh reminder of the divide that separates liberals and conservatives on principles of leading with strength. The United States has no business apologizing to Europeans for its policies of the last eight years. Rick Santorum made this point yesterday and I'm it sure resonates with many Americans:

Watching President Obama apologize last week for America's arrogance - before a French audience that owes its freedom to the sacrifices of Americans - helped convince me that he has a deep-seated antipathy toward American values and traditions.

There is in the Obama administration a deep seated antipathy for the truth also. The recent month of domestic policy duplicity by the administration on the issues of deficit spending and bank bailouts should disabuse any observer of the notion that principles rooted in honesty guide this presidency and the Democrat Congress. Just when we think we have seen it all something familiar occurs to amaze us even more....which brings me to Vice President Joe Biden.

The Vice President has been performing true to form of late and Karl Rove and others have called him out. Biden recently shared this canard:

"I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office," Biden began, "'Well, Joe,' he said, 'I'm a leader.' And I said: 'Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.'"

And, before that, this,

When I speak to the president - and I have had plenty of opportunity to be with the president, at least prior to the last election, a lot of hours alone with him. I mean, meaning me and his staff," Biden said on HBO's "Real Time with Bill Maher" in April2006. "And the president will say things to me, and I'll literally turn to the president, say: 'Mr. President, how can you say that, knowing you don't know the facts?' And he'll look at me and he'll say - my word - he'll look at me and he'll say: 'My instincts.' He said: 'I have good instincts.' I said: 'Mr. President, your instincts aren't good enough.'"

Sounds pretty convincing, huh? But none of it is true. Biden is the master of recalling stories that not only reflect favorably on himself but denigrate his opponent. Rove and others have again exposed Biden as a stranger to the truth:

I hate to say this, but he's a serial exaggerator," Rove told FOX News. "If I was being unkind I would say liar. But it is a habit he ought to drop." Rove added: "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States."

....The exchange is purely "fictional," said Rove, who was Bush's top political adviser in the White House.

"It didn't happen," Rove, a FOX News contributor and former Bush adviser, told Megyn Kelly in an interview taped for "On The Record." "It's his imagination; it's a made-up, fictional world.

"He ought to get out of it and get back to reality," Rove added. "He's making this up out of whole cloth."

If conservatives want to gain any traction against the Obama message machine they need to start with Rove's approach against Biden and take it to the next logical step: question everything the President says and measure it against reality. The last few weeks have shown that there is a wide valley between the president's rhetoric and reality.


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Joey is performing true to ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Joey is performing true to form. He's a past master of 'just makin' shit up' and sounding like he knows what he's talking about. Whenever Joey says something, you'd better research it before acting on ANYTHING he says. After all, he's famous for eating out at places that have been closed for years.

Rove was great last night. ... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Rove was great last night. What a moron Biden is.

You are right. We have to c... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

You are right. We have to constantly state how liberals are self laothing as a group as well as anti military.

Joe Biden is a known liar with hardly the resume to have such a position in the executive branch. We have two cheap, empty suits in the White House.

Submission Accomplished. ww

"question everything ... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

"question everything the President says and measure it against reality"

I completely agree! Obviously CNN, MSNBC, ABC,CBS and NBC aren't going to do this, so we have to.

Why does the fact that the ... (Below threshold)
john:

Why does the fact that the americans helped france during WWII (65 years ago) make it so that all are future actions are excusable, even to the point of never having to apologize to anyone, for anything?

Ah yes, the guardian of tru... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Ah yes, the guardian of truthiness from the Bush Regime, Carl Rove. I'd take a convicted perjurer's word any day over the Turd Blossom's.

As for my alleged self-loathing I can guarantee Mr Willie that my ego strength is as secure as can be. One would think that it'd be conservatives who were full of self-loathing Mr Willie as you are wandering around in the wilderness of angst, anger, sorrow and INSANITEA.

Psst Mr BThe US wa... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Psst Mr B

The US was not the sole nation in Iraq or Afghanistan. We had the British, Australians and a number of smaller countries. However it was deemed a failureby the left because the French, German and Russians did not commit troops in Iraq. Well look , did those countries commit one single person to the Ones request? Nope, guess he was no better than GW.
He wanted the EU to spend money like socalist politicians and they even refrained from their favorite past time. So what has he done?
Who is following him?

See Bush did have support for his polices outside of the US. The one has zip. Reality sucks.
Which is why Bidden has to live in fantasy world, the real one is just to harsh.

Did you people not recall t... (Below threshold)
James H:

Did you people not recall the part where Obama also criticized Europe for reflexive anti-Americanism?

Right about now, Oliver Sto... (Below threshold)

Right about now, Oliver Stone is probably regretting the fact that Joe Biden wasn't consulted when the script for "W" was being written.

It's Joe's job to take the ... (Below threshold)
epador:

It's Joe's job to take the limelight off the CinC when he's overtly submitting to foreign dignitaries or screwing the pooch at home. THe best thing to do is completely ignore his side show and concentrate on the man in charge.

America didnt merely "help"... (Below threshold)
LiberalNitemare:

America didnt merely "help" France 65 years ago.

America liberated France from its total and complete military defeat 65 years ago. France would not even exist today if it werent for Americas arrogance.

Lying is the norm for the D... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

Lying is the norm for the Democrats. Let's look at the Obama lie that he did not bow for the Saudi king even though the video shows that he did.

Come on! If they are willing to blatantly lie about something that all of us can see for ourselves, they have no problem lying about lots of other things.

This whole presidency is based on lies and deception. It's a shame that there are too many gullible, non-thinking fools in our country whole swallow it all.

Hugh, you seem surprised th... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Hugh, you seem surprised that Biden would put door dings on the truth. His entire career has been a 30 year excursion into FantasyLand.

He was famous for his Casey Stengel personality when he was merely a pompous, self-serving, mendacious, wrong-headed, and politically reprehensible blowhard Senator.

That was before he was kicked upstairs to be Obama's trusted Next-In-The-Line-of-Oh-Jesus-I-Hope-Not-Succession Vice President.

I suspect that the VP spot was simply an unsuccessful maneuver to get Biden to finally shut up and stop embarrassing himself.

That Joe. He so cool.

The story with our current ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

The story with our current president is that all his life he has acquired a position and seemed quickly interested in moving on to a new position without leaving much imprint on the former. I am trying to figure out whether he is doing the same thing with the presidency. With all this talk showing an antipathy toward the United States I wonder if he wants to move on to Secretary General of the UN - you know, some sort of line of work where distain for the USA is part of the job description. Of course, I am also worried that the presidency is the first position Obama has held where he WILL leave a legacy.

I see the liberal left on t... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I see the liberal left on tv all the time. On talk shows they are always shouting and trying to drown out the opposing view, if conservatives speak in colleges, it is the left that disrups and shouts vile things and carry's signs that are full of hate, etc.

Unrepentent democrat, if you are liberal I stand by my assertion, but I did not say democrats are self loathing, but can you site examples of main stream repulblican groups using hate and anger against the left? You can't. ww

Obama's apology for America... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Obama's apology for American arrogance is another in the continuing series of
slams at Bush. As for Biden, I have to wonder if he's in full control of his faculties.
I never knew how much of an embarrassment Biden was. That Obama selected him as VP is more cause for concern about Obama's so-called judgement.

Bush is and will remain an easy target.
He never fights back and conducts himself with grace and dignity. Something liberals could use lessons on.

Life does get a lot easier ... (Below threshold)
Aubrey:

Life does get a lot easier when you rid yourself of those quaint notions of true or false, good or evil, right or wrong and just go with whatever you feel.

When you've had all the ben... (Below threshold)
glenn:

When you've had all the benefits of somebody elses hard work without doing any of it yourself it's pretty easy to take cheap shots at the people who actually did the work. Having said that it's been painfully obvious that Bush doesn't have that easy self confident sense of humor that lets you level an opponent the way Regan did Walter Mondale in that debate. And he didn't have the stomach to stand up to congressional Republicans when they began acting like Democrats.

Karl Rove called Joe Biden ... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

Karl Rove called Joe Biden a "blowhard" and a "liar" in response to some of the vice president's comments about the Bush administration. Rove said on FOX News, "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States." Yes, if anyone knows all about a Vice President of the United States who exaggerates and lies, it's Karl Rove. As I recall, he has quite a bit of experience on the issue.

JC Hammer"As I rec... (Below threshold)
Hornet Author Profile Page:

JC Hammer

"As I recall" ... what?

Yes JC Hammer, Rove knows a... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes JC Hammer, Rove knows all about the lying and exaggerations of this administration as well as the Clinton one.

Yes, JC Hammer,I am ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Yes, JC Hammer,
I am also interested in your follow up to Hornet's request.

I second Hornet. What did C... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I second Hornet. What did Cheney lie about? I can't wait. ww

Give JC a minute guys, he's... (Below threshold)
Ran56:

Give JC a minute guys, he's over at Kos getting your answer!..

I certainly hope Biden is g... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I certainly hope Biden is girding his loins.

"What did Cheney lie about?... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"What did Cheney lie about?"-ww

Dick "Mushroom Cloud" Cheney? The guy who signed off on that phoney intelligence report cooked up by Burlosconi in Italy and then inserted it into the fugazy intelligence estimate stovepiped through the Office of Special Plans with the help of best bud, Scooter Libby, so the US could invade Iraq before the UN Santions expired and the Chinese engineers arrived, all the while pretending that we were after Bin Laden's accomplice in the 9/11 attacks, but who then said Bin Ladin "doesn't matter"?

THAT Dick Cheney?

Almost forgot: Karl Rove: t... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Almost forgot: Karl Rove: the guy is poison. Makes Joe Biden seem lovable in a drunken Irish kind of way.

In other words, there is no excuse for Karl, the 100% sober architect of plotz and mother of clods.

Beware, bryanD has been coa... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

Beware, bryanD has been coaxed out of his lair. The truther is here to give the truth about Dick Cheney.
Everyone remain calm and apply the tinfoil hats as soon as possible. And in the name of God avoid his gaze.

"And in the name of God ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"And in the name of God avoid his gaze."

Okay, that made me laugh out loud.

"The guy who signed off ... (Below threshold)
apb:

"The guy who signed off on that phoney intelligence report cooked up by Burlosconi in Italy and then inserted it into the fugazy intelligence estimate stovepiped through the Office of Special Plans with the help of best bud, Scooter Libby..."

Good one, dork! Every lefty talking point from eight years tragically mushed into a single incoherent sentence. A tragic glimpse into the lack of thought masquerading as a mind...

"And in the na... (Below threshold)
maggie:
"And in the name of God avoid his gaze."

Okay, that made me laugh out loud.

Me too!

WND's still in the desert? ... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

WND's still in the desert? Deficits don't matter? Chenny's words. If the deficits don't matter why are you screaming about them now? I'm sure the list could go on.

"Beware, bryanD has been co... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Beware, bryanD has been coaxed out of his lair... And in the name of God avoid his gaze."-st

Attributed awesomeness accepted.

Thou art Cephas Redux.

jc hammer - "WND's stil... (Below threshold)
marc:

jc hammer - "WND's still in the desert? Deficits don't matter? Chenny's words."

As to your first point, that still remains to be seen, and may not ever be proven one way or another unless someone gets access to the Syrian desert. That well documented convoy of Iraqi trucks fleeing to the Syrian boarder weren't carrying dates.

As to your second, how does Chenny's words on the deficit impact how others should feel about it?

Quit while you're FAR behind.

"Deficits don't matter" a ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

"Deficits don't matter" a quote atrributed to Cheney by a guy Cheney fired, never coorborated by anyone else and now made part of mythos of Dick Cheney.

Haven't really heard much f... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Haven't really heard much from Cheney, lately, except what the AP is telling us about. I don't think its a good idea to ignore Cheney's association with the cfr even though Biden's just a total goof, (and a few other things).

"endless assault on its ... (Below threshold)
Jimmy Horowitz:

"endless assault on its (Bush's) legacy"

I wouldn't worry about that too much if I were you. I think the legacy is taking care of itself. You know, letting 911 happen; 2 wars (unfinished); the Katrina debacle; greatest economic disaster since 1929 ; highest unemployment in a generation (and climbing); collapse of so many manufacturing industries including the auto industry; highest foreclosures ever...... I think Bush's legacy is well understood by everyone, and nothing that either Karl Rove or Joe Biden say can alter those sad and dismal facts.

Jimmy Horowitz - You kn... (Below threshold)
marc:

Jimmy Horowitz - You know, letting 911 happen

Well, at least we know exactly where your head is it from the start. Let me guess, you're a truther.

2 wars (unfinished)

Terrible thing isn't it. Of course to leave them unfinished is a much worst scenario. And obama seems to think so also. Question, does that make obama a chickenhawk?

the Katrina debacle

It sure was, a bipartisan one, you seem to have forgotten that, or willfully ignored it.

greatest economic disaster since 1929 ; highest unemployment in a generation (and climbing)

Gee, you bite on that piece of crapola with both teeth, and while doing so completely ignored the carter years.

collapse of so many manufacturing industries including the auto industry;

Sorry, that pre-dated Bush by a couple decades. That aside, what to hell does Bush have to do with the auto industry, Funny I musta missed the news when he was firing CEOs like obama has.

I think Bush's legacy is well understood by everyone

Everyone, except you.

Just as I thought. You trol... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Just as I thought. You trolls have nothing on Cheney except inuendo and speculation. Just because you hope it is so doesn't make it so. ww

IMHO they made Biden VP so ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

IMHO they made Biden VP so they could get rid of him from the Senate and put him somewhere he couldn't do any harm. Hence his new position as vice president where he can lie through his teeth and not affect anyone.

He's a pompous narcissistic asshole with nothing more than a vivid imagination and a loud mouth.

Yes, it does show that the ... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

Yes, it does show that the ditto heads can't/won't realize what has happened in the last 8 years. Everyone is wrong unless you follow the GOP BS talking points.

I suppose he will appologis... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

I suppose he will appologise for america bombing tripoli after they attacked our own navy in international waters SCREW RAMSEY CLARK AND ALL OTHER LIBERALS

Spurwing? Is that you?... (Below threshold)

Spurwing? Is that you?

jc hammer - "Yes, it do... (Below threshold)
marc:

jc hammer - "Yes, it does show that the ditto heads can't/won't realize what has happened in the last 8 years. Everyone is wrong unless you follow the GOP BS talking points."

That's DAMN "hi-larious" considering you hit on each and every anti-Bush, anti-war talking point in many of your comments.

Do you take them the normal way or intravenously from a Media Matters "drip-line?"




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