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What Exactly Do Those Tea Party Folks Want?

Over at Blue Lee Ward is puzzled over the Tea Party movement. As he sees it, Obama has a plan to fix the economy and anyone who refuses to jump on the bandwagon is an anarchistic anti-government kook. Setting aside the obvious non sequitur of attempting to "rescue the economy from the downside of Bush's spending and tax cutting spree" by spending trillions more than Bush and imposing new taxes on an economy in recession, his main point seems to be that opposing Obama is...well...unpatriotic.

Apparently, sometime around noon on January 20, 2009 the ubiquitous rallying cry of the left lo these past eight years - dissent is the highest form of patriotism - became passe. And gauche.

Unfortunately for the big government crowd, examining the 50 "laboratories of democracy" that comprise our US of A answers Lee's question very succinctly. Among the most striking examples is a comparison between two of our largest, most populous states - California and Texas. The Tea Party folks want an economic environment that mimics the Lone Star State while Obama, Congress, and the Lees of the country are falling over themselves to Californicate the entire nation.

Texas has no state income tax. Government spending is limited (our legislature meets every other year - only half the chance for mischief!). The regulatory climate is favorable to business. We're a right to work state so there is little union distortion of wages. California is the polar opposite - punitive taxes, odious regulatory climate, and lacking of fiscal discipline. The result, as detailed in "Rich States, Poor States" is striking:

When comparing California with Texas, U-Haul says it all. To rent a 26-foot truck oneway from San Francisco to Austin, the charge is $3,236, and yet the one-way charge for that same truck from Austin to San Francisco is just $399. Clearly what is happening is that far more people want to move from San Francisco to Austin than vice versa, so U-Haul has to pay its own employees to drive the empty trucks back from Texas. The great thing about this example is that it's a market price set in the real world - you don't need to rely on a fancy economic model to see our point. If two haughty-taughty food critics were arguing about restaurants A and B, the average Joe could ignore their jargon and just look at which place had a line out the door. When it comes to California and Texas, people are backed up, waiting to move out of the former and into the latter. We rest our case.
Backing up this anecdotal evidence is a new survey of the Best Cities for Job Growth released by Forbes and newgeography. Texas dominates the list of 336 cities surveyed with seven of the top ten and thirteen - including the four largest cities of Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin - in the top 10%. Scroll down to #50 and you'll see the first California city - Bakersfield - and keep going to nos. 133 and 134 to find the next California cities of Visalia-Porterville and San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara. For the mathematically challenged that works out to a single California city in the top 1/3 of the Best Cities for Job Growth.

Does anyone believe that more spending, higher income taxes, more fees, more regulation, a new energy taxation scheme, expanded union influence on the labor market, and a massive expansion of entitlements is the right prescription for California? Other than Congress, Obama, and WizbangBlue, that is.

There's a reason why southern states have seen their populations grow at the expense of the midwest and northeast over the past two decades - their business friendly climates create jobs. Obama's plan to make everyone equally miserable is not a formula for economic growth. Look no further than California, Michigan, and Oregon for proof. He's merely mortgaging the future to implement his vision of a socialist utopia. There is no historical or empirical evidence to support the assertion that we can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

But why let facts get in the way of a permanent and massive expansion of the federal government. Now that Obama is president the gnashing of teeth we heard over "Bush and Cheney shredding the Constitution" will turn eerily silent as his administration starts monitoring "right wing wackos" who cling to antiquated notions like freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, freedom to petition for redress of grievances, and property rights.

What those Tea Party folks want is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'll take a pass on Obama's handouts and taxes for all.


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Amen... (Below threshold)
epador:

Amen

The "Bush spent billions" e... (Below threshold)
Dee:

The "Bush spent billions" excuse for spending trillions is old news. I never supported Bush's spending sprees and yes, it was a mistake for the Republicans to have supported his out of control spending. But does that mean we roll over and let Obama spend us into an oblivion while at the same time saddling us with tax burden that will ultimately drag on the economy for a good ten years thereafter?

Some plan. I hope the left wing media keeps ridiculing the tea parties, especially that douche bag Matt Taibbi. That guy is so in love with his own prose, it's nauseating. I guess he is trying to keep his slot on MSNBC safe.

Doggonit, Baron, you go too... (Below threshold)

Doggonit, Baron, you go too far. Comparing my beautiful state of California with Texas ("Welcome Mat to Most of Mexico") is just too insulting for words. You reek of Tex-centric self-righteousness. You probably can't speak without resorting to Spanglish. You probably even say "y'all" in your sleep.

But worst of all, you completely pass over the innumerable charms and benefits of life in the Golden State ("Where the Rest of Mexico Lives").

You want to know why California is better than Texas? Huh? Do ya?

I'll tell you:

Earthquakes.

I can see your sheepish pallor all the way out here in beach country. You know what I'm talking about, don'tcha? You can keep your hurricanes and tornados, thank you very much. We'll live with the occasional wildfire and 6-point-whatever shaker out here.

Of course, I can't really think of much else that favors California over Texas. In fact, how about a trade?

Say, your governor for ours? We'll even throw in a pair of U.S. senators for free. Hardly ever been useful used.

Hey, no fair. Your silly co... (Below threshold)

Hey, no fair. Your silly comment preview screen led me to believe that the strikeout I did for "useful" would appear in the final edit. Even in comments you cheat like a Texan. Why don't y'all just secede now and save us the trouble?

Duh. Get all the people to... (Below threshold)
Aubrey:

Duh. Get all the people to move to Texas and California will be perfect again. Don't you get it?

Heh,Lee is probabl... (Below threshold)
Baggi:

Heh,

Lee is probably looking for a way to ban you right now.

That's how he solves all his arguments over at Wizbangblue anyway.

I'm tired of the argument w... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I'm tired of the argument we're hearing from the left, "Where were you when Bush was spending?"

That's no answer.

Many of us were unhappy with the growth of government and the fact that Bush seemed to misplace his veto pen for years. We complained about throwing even more money at failed schools, medicare spending, etc.

The fact is, our Congressional lefties were sending a mixed message for 8 years: They screamed about Bush cutting funding for [insert any social program here] while simultaneously complaining that he was over-spending, all in between shouting, "Stop the war!" as they signed for more war-spending.

During all this, our Congressional righties were eerily silent while they too were stuffing pork into every bill that came down the pike.

But that all looks like child's play now. We should ALL be angry about a level of spending now that dwarfs anything Bush did for 8 years.

This should be a non-partisan issue. But the lefties popping in here keep pretending that it's not. The underlying message they're sending by continuing to ignore that is that they were angry about Bush's spending, but not Obama's spending even more - LOTS more.

When confronted to give a definitive answer on how they feel about four times as much spending all we get is, "Wait and see. Give him a chance."

I'll see your Texas and rai... (Below threshold)

I'll see your Texas and raise you one New Hampshire.

No sales tax, no income tax, and the lowest unemployment in New England by far.

Naturally, our newly-empowered Democrats are working frantically to change that...

J.

Re Mr. Ward and his lackeys... (Below threshold)

Re Mr. Ward and his lackeys:

Considering how much masturbating they do over in their self-isolated, fetid little cesspool, shouldn't they not be "blue" any more?

J.

What do tea party protestor... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

What do tea party protestors want?

Well, I live in Texas and I attended one. My main concern is what has happened to Michigan, my home state. There Democrat policies turned the state into one decade-long depression that has caused most of the last few years college grads to flee the state.

I am protesting government spending policies that threaten to turn Texas into Michigan economically. Ain't gonna happen if I have any say about it.

You know, the left's reacti... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

You know, the left's reaction to the tea party protests says a lot about how leftists think versus how right-thinking persons think.

We on the right could understand why the left was protesting the Iraq war, even if we didn't agree with their point of view. Whereas the left can't even begin to understand that there could be opinions other than theirs. The left can't fathom the concept that a lot of Americans think their great leader, the one, the messiah could be wrong and could be leading this country in a very bad direction.

It reminds me of something I read in Psyc 101 about how infants in the early stages of development tend to think that everyone has the same emotions as they do. If the child is happy they think everyone else is happy and if they're sad they think everyone else is sad. Of course most human beings mature and by the time they are 3 or so they realize that this is not the case, but aparently that never happens for leftists.

It's amazing sometimes when... (Below threshold)
Deke:

It's amazing sometimes when you drive around one of the Texas metro areas and see all the out of state license plates. Texas and most Southern states, aren't effected by this recession as much as they are in the Northeast and West coasts. The simple reason is because were more conservative and business friendly than those other places, thus people are moving here for work and quality of life.

My issue comes from speaking with many of these people. Recently at my place of employment we've had 3 people from the state of New York find employment with us, they have spent the last 3 months complaining about how backwards and out of touch we are, defending congress and the current administration. Finally last week I and a couple others, had enough of their, NYC accented, carping. We explained, in a not so polite way, that they destroyed their state with those beliefs, that were in better shape perhaps because were "ignorant and backwards" and if they don't like it they can always go home, live in a 2 room apartment, and collect unemployment. We like the way things work here and wonder why they would want to ever think their way of thinking is superior, especially in light of the condition of their high tax, over regulated lives.

Since this conversation they have kept their mouths shut, no more "Youse guys don't have any clue" I would encourage anyone that runs into one of these types and listens to them, to ask them why they are here and not back in the glorious state they came from. That those things they allowed to happen "back home" are failed and that we don't want it here.

One problem I have seen in ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

One problem I have seen in Colorado and Montana is that a large number people from California move there to get away from the B.S. government of California but turn around and vote for the same B.S. government in their new state. It seems like they are not happy until they ruin it for everyone. Maybe the misery like company is the reason why California and NY try to tell every other state what to do. .

"I'm tired of the argument ... (Below threshold)
max:

"I'm tired of the argument we're hearing from the left, "Where were you when Bush was spending?"

That's no answer."

You are correct, oyster, that is no answer. It's a question. And, like it or not, a perfectly valid one.

"Many of us were unhappy with the growth of government and the fact that Bush seemed to misplace his veto pen for years. We complained about throwing even more money at failed schools, medicare spending, etc."

And yet you voted for him.

"During all this, our Congressional righties were eerily silent while they too were stuffing pork into every bill that came down the pike."

And yet you voted for them.

"This should be a non-partisan issue. But the lefties popping in here keep pretending that it's not."

Maybe that's because it's wizbang. Everything's partisan here.

When confronted to give a definitive answer on how they feel about four times as much spending all we get is, "Wait and see. Give him a chance."

Yeah, exactly. What don't you understand about that?

Do you have a point?

max - "And yet you vote... (Below threshold)
marc:

max - "And yet you voted for him."

Yeah terrible thing he was voted to a second term to continue the Iraq war. And was put there after "you people" could only muster a empty-suited borderline traitor by the name of Kerry.

It was a classic case of bad vs much worse.

max - "When confronted to give a definitive answer on how they feel about four times as much spending all we get is, "Wait and see. Give him a chance." Yeah, exactly. What don't you understand about that?

How about waiting and seeing may to too late to correct the problems if those opposed to what's going on don't act now?

Once that massive debt is on the books it may never come off and even given the best possible scenario paying it off will be at the cost of many other important programs just to service the debt's interest.

"What don't you understand about that?"

"Yeah, exactly. What don... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Yeah, exactly. What don't you understand about that?"

Oh, I understand perfectly. I understand that you have no clue whether it will work or you wouldn't have that "wait and see" attitude. It shows you have no understanding of history or human nature. All you have is "hope".

You see, Obama DOES have a plan. He DOES know the outcome. He's lying to you.

"I understand that you have... (Below threshold)
max:

"I understand that you have no clue whether it will work or you wouldn't have that "wait and see" attitude."

And you, apparently, are able to see the future. How nice for you. I call bullshit.

"It shows you have no understanding of history or human nature."

Really? How so?

"You see, Obama DOES have a plan. He DOES know the outcome. He's lying to you."

Prove it.

ax - "Prove it."</... (Below threshold)
marc:

ax - "Prove it."

He may have a plan, but it isn't working.

Don't be confused, there's a lot of words there. But there are pretty pictures, that should help.

"But why let facts get i... (Below threshold)
Jake McKee Author Profile Page:

"But why let facts get in the way of a permanent and massive expansion of the federal government."

Other than being a great talking point, I'm still not seeing where this was "permanent". I'm also curious, as so many have pointed out, where this outrage was during the massive and "permanent" expansion under Bush?

"Now that Obama is president the gnashing of teeth we heard over "Bush and Cheney shredding the Constitution" will turn eerily silent as his administration starts monitoring "right wing wackos" who cling to antiquated notions like freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, freedom to petition for redress of grievances, and property rights."

This is supposed to be real debate? Based on what facts do you make this broad sweeping statement that things will turn eerily silent? It hasn't happened yet, and in fact we're seeing MORE conversation about ensuring civil/legal rights based on Constitutional premise. Sure, much of it is tied to the actions of the Bush admin, but the laws we set based on past action dictates laws for the future, no?

And I assume you're referring to the DHS report when you say "monitoring right wing whackos"? Hey, if you want to associated normal conservatives with neo-nazi hate groups, that's your choice. I'd expect you to dissociate yourself from them, personally, but if you're saying the Republican party supports neo-nazi groups, then perhaps I have more to learn about the new Republican party than expected...

But personal monitoring isn't so fun when it's directed at YOU, is it?

"What those Tea Party folks want is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We'll take a pass on Obama's handouts and taxes for all."

Kinda like the pro-immigration protesters from a while back who the right lambasted and made fun of?

jake m - "Other than be... (Below threshold)
marc:

jake m - "Other than being a great talking point, I'm still not seeing where this was "permanent". I'm also curious, as so many have pointed out, where this outrage was during the massive and "permanent" expansion under Bush?"

Nearly 700 billion "set aside" for his health care plan is temporary? Who'd a thunk it?

Or the wad of cash he just promised for expansion of high speed rail, that not "permanent?"

"And I assume you're referring to the DHS report when you say "monitoring right wing whackos"? Hey, if you want to associated normal conservatives with neo-nazi hate groups, that's your choice."

Well that there is the problem isn't it? That report was so non-specific as to be laughable.

At least the assessment issued in Jan. about left-wing "whackos" I.E. like the ELF whose members have burned down hundreds properties, listed groups and examples.

"Kinda like the pro-immigration protesters from a while back who the right lambasted and made fun of?"

That's partially true, there are a-holes on both sides of the issue, but the over-riding complaint was not giving anyone a free pass.

They dont want their money ... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

They dont want their money going to undeserving illegal aliens they dont want their money going to corupt forgein goverments,they dont want their money going into AL GORE,TED KENNEDYS bank accounts they dont want their money going to pay for the study of monkey fleas AND THEIR TIRED OF OBAMA AND THE DEMACROOK SENATE AND CONgress




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