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The numbers are in ...

Several groups have now compiled total attendance numbers for the April 15th Tea Party . SurgeUSA.org estimates between 400,000 and 480,000 total attendance. RedState has compiled a total of 310,000 from 156 parties. The latest roundup from PajamasMedia puts the number at 551,000. And Chuck Simmins at North Shore Journal has compiled the various other compilations and put them all together in a nice chart.

I think the best way to keep this in perspective is to realize that just a few weeks ago, Organizing For America, the Obama Campaign's professional pitchfork brigade, worked over their list of 13 million registered Obama supporters and came up with a measly 114,000 signatures (less than 1%) in support of the Obama Administration's stimulus plan. And after an additional nationwide neighborhood canvassing effort by trained volunteers, only 100,000 additional signatures were collected.

Naturally liberals are branding the turnout of half a million Tea Party supporters on Wednesday as a "failure." But so far, the nascent Tea Party movement has either matched or exceeded the turnouts reported for the first liberal "meet-ups" that were the precursors to the Netroots phenomenon of 2004 - 2008.

Of course those meetings garnered massive nationwide press coverage by a news media desperate to report anything that might damage the Bush Administration. The April 16 New York Times, by contrast, failed to publish a single word about the Tea Parties.

For all of its alleged "failure" this week, Fox News ratings soared during its Tea Party coverage, while over on the other side, the New York Times just announced that it will eliminate several weekly sections of its newspaper in order to cut millions of dollars in operating costs. No further comment should be necessary.

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One more noteworthy item: this interesting little discussion from Instapundit about "what's next" after the Tea Parties. Some great suggestions - hundreds or thousands of Tea Partiers start showing up at local political "meet and greet" or town hall events; regular protests outside of local ACORN offices alleging voter fraud; a sit-in at CNN headquarters in Atlanta. Looks like fun, plus I think Alinsky would be proud. The last time I checked, there was nothing in Rules for Radicals that said "liberals only."


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It's a start. The biggest ... (Below threshold)
arcman Author Profile Page:

It's a start. The biggest difference between those of us that would attend a TEA party, and those who attend anti-war or other leftist protests is that most of us who would attend TEA parties actually have jobs and aren't as flexible to attend. Still 500,000 people is a start and we need to continue to build. I still believe there are more of us, then there are of them.

Its not how many attend the... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its not how many attend the rallies, its how many network, call, e-mail and personally lobby their elected officials locally, and nationally. Organizing at the grassroots level and following through will be the important attributes of a successful campaign.

It sure didn't take Obama a... (Below threshold)
The Big O!:

It sure didn't take Obama and the Democrats very long to inspire half a million Americans to take to the street in protest, did it?

The other numbers are in.</... (Below threshold)
Rance:

The other numbers are in.

As reported by the Washington Post.
Note: Not their numbers.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the average family forked over barely 9 percent of its earnings to the IRS in 2006, the most recent year for which information is available. The effective tax rate hit its all-time low in 2003 and has since crept up only slightly.

Middle-class families -- to whom President Obama has delivered even more tax relief since he took office in January -- have fared especially well, according to the CBO. The middle fifth of taxpayers, who earned an average of $60,700 per household in 2006, paid just 3 percent in federal income tax that year, down from a high of 8.3 percent in 1981.

Rance, where did you get TH... (Below threshold)
BPG:

Rance, where did you get THAT? 3%, my ass. I'm in that middle fifth and I paid close to 20%.

Of course nobody understand economics - everybody's making up their own numbers. I remember the Soviets would do the same thing; the 5 year plan was always working! Amazing, that.

You left out how entertaini... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

You left out how entertaining the Tea Parties were for the other 303,324,640 of us.

BPG,If you go back... (Below threshold)
Rance:

BPG,

If you go back and read the first part of the post, they are from the Congressional Budget Office.

I didn't make them up, I just read them, and posted them.

You can make of them what you will. I'm sure there are a lot of people here who have crunched the numbers themselves and will have alternative statistics to quote.

Thanks, Rance, for that non... (Below threshold)
The Big O!:

Thanks, Rance, for that nonpartisan information about how well the taxpayers were doing in 2006, under President Bush and the Republican Congress.

But what does the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office have to say about how things are under the Democrats and President Obama:

The US budget deficit accelerated in March to hit a record nearly one trillion dollars just halfway through the current fiscal year
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) forecast last month the budget deficit could hit 1.845 trillion dollars for the whole year based on Obama's 3.5-trillion-dollar budget plan approved by Congress early this month.

The CBO said its budget deficit estimate for fiscal 2009, which ends on September 30, would be four times the 2008 record shortfall and amount to 13.1 percent of the country's total economic output.

Wow. Definitely a "change" there.

It would have been millions... (Below threshold)
mag:

It would have been millions more if we who are supporting the gov't and everything else where able to NOT go to work on Wednesday and joined in on the protest.

For you people out there who believe in big gov't controlling everything, you can pay my share. I'll hop the fence to the other side, instead of being on the side of paying high taxes all these years, I go on the dole...so your taxes can be raise and you can feel real good about yourself.

See the thing is, we don't mind paying some taxes...that is a given for a society and country to function. We object to the obscene notion that we are to pay for people who are not citizens, for foreign countries who hate us, for companies that fail through poor planning and greed, for people who believe that they should be support by others because they made lousy choices in their lives and on and on it goes.

Big 0,Just some ob... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Big 0,

Just some observations on your post.
The numbers in post #4 relate to how much taxes people are actually paying. The numbers in post #8 are about budget deficits. Nice apples/oranges shift.

The 2006 numbers are based on data.
The 2009 numbers are forecasts. They may be high, they may be low, but for now they are forecasts.

As far as the budget deficit through March, we're still operating on a budget set by the last administration. When the new fiscal year starts, then we can dump on Obama for budget deficits, which I'm sure we will.

Our local protest Started a... (Below threshold)
epador:

Our local protest Started at 5PM. Someone was smart enough to make it easily accessible to working stiffs. We had about 300 people. As this is considered a liberal stronghold, it was amazing the number of smiles and honking horns we got on the 4 block march to the Post Office. We got a whole lot more than most of the anti-war protests that are a Friday ritual here. 6 times as many as for the dedication for a Veteran's Memorial on a warm and sunny day a few years ago. But as I indicated above, the numbers aren't as important as what happens in the next 6 months and 2 years.

The NYT's won't be around m... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The NYT's won't be around much longer. They've got a $250 million loan payment to make this summer. Had to go all the way to Mexico to find someone to loan them money at 14% interest.

I went to the downtown (Fox... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

I went to the downtown (Fox) tea party in Tulsa at 11:30. Apx 1200 in attendance. John Gibson spoke. An old local "reform" politico decried the sell-out by Republican US Rep. John Sullivan, viz the Bush bailout, but forwarned against "throwing him under the bus".
I called back "throw him under the bus!" to a few smiles. Everyone else was content to listen and applaud on cue (though several "cues" were ignored).

No Ron Paul merchandise on sale and I was NOT thanked for enquiring.
The "official" Tea Party (red) t-shirts had a tiny pocket logo that looked from a distance like teddy bears. Girly.
Davina coffee, $5.

One guy with an upside-down US flag has garnered the attention of the media since.
Still no Republican candidate for the upcoming mayoral race.

At the Naples FL Tea Party,... (Below threshold)

At the Naples FL Tea Party, some ACORN activists started collecting signatures for the pro Obama petition. Several signed it, unaware of what they were signing. The Tea Party organizers did a good job of alerting the crowd, via loudspealers, as to what was going on.

Several tried to find the ACORN folks to remove their signatures. They were nowehere to be found.

Pictures of both the Naples and Fort Myers events are my website. Best picture is a sign about tax advice from Tim Geithner (Fort Myers rally).

There were 40 tea-baggers a... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopolis:

There were 40 tea-baggers at an event in my town. They were the same 40 people that usually camp-out for a couple of days to get monster truck rally tickets.

My favorite sign: "Change doesn't mean Socilism"

papdopaslopalis -N... (Below threshold)
apb:

papdopaslopalis -

Nice generalization. Kinda like painting all greekos as socialists on the dole...

Nice try gnossuss. Another... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Nice try gnossuss. Another lib that has a fixation with the word "tea-baggers". And you pay so much attention to those who buy monster truck tickets why?

I wonder how many of the sm... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

I wonder how many of the small towns' tea parties which there were a great many of were counted in the turnout total. 40 to 200 isn't that many until you multiply it by a thousand.

Several thousand at the Tea... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Several thousand at the Tea Party in Oceanside, Ca. And they weren't dressed like they make $250K a year. Party started at 6pm. Lest you think this was all 'anti-Obama', the people in this state are PISSED OFF with a state government that just raised sales, income and vehicle taxes. Over the last 5 years, the state take from taxpayers INCREASED 30%, yet we are now over 42 BILLION in the hole. BECAUSE THE FUCKING POLITICIANS SPENT EVERY DIME OF IT!

There were 40 tea-bagger... (Below threshold)
Saint Patton:

There were 40 tea-baggers at an event in my town. They were the same 40 people that usually camp-out for a couple of days to get monster truck rally tickets.

Did you get off your moped to spit at them and hurl epithets such as "Nazi!" or "Fascist!"? Just wondering because that's what people like you normally do.

Uhh...that wasn't generalizing, was it?

Rance:Instead of "Th... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Rance:
Instead of "The Congressional Budget Office," how about an actual cite of WHICH Congressional Budget Office report you're referring to, so we can see which figures you're cherry-picking and/or misquoting?

Then, once you've done that, go out and look up ALL of the ways the Federal government taxes us. The income tax, while the most visible and largest single number, is certainly not all of it. There are so many different taxes applied to everyday life, it's hard to notice just how much taxing happens.

Gas taxes, telecommunications taxes, fees on banking transactions, transportation taxes, et cetera and ad nauseam. Once you get past the list of direct taxes, start in on the indirect ones.

Local and state taxes and "fees" that only exist because of Federal regulations (and which are paying for things that should be under the Federal budget, bookkeeping-wise). Corporate taxes that are passed on to the consumers, or which cause slightly lowered paychecks for corporate employees (and if you think this isn't the case, take Economics 101). Federal regulations which, despite theoretically existing for some other reason, are just in place to extract money from people in place of an actual solution (like the upcoming carbon tax scams), or to change the way people live (when a direct law against whatever it is would be unconstitutional).

gnossoss:
It's interesting to see the number of lefties who grabbed onto that rude "teabagging" meme. It's a great sign that they know they've already lost the argument - when you start out with insults of that level, it's just an admission that you're scared of what the other side has to offer, or aren't even smart enough to put up bad arguments.

(In videogaming, there's a different but related usage. When you kill an opponent, you walk around over his corpse, "teabagging" him to show your contempt. It's very popular among fourteen year old assholes who can't do anything well except play video games. Which explains where the meme REALLY comes from...)

Posted by cirby | April ... (Below threshold)
Saint Patton:

Posted by cirby | April 17, 2009 12:50 PM

HAHAHAHAHA! No shit, that's what kids do now in video games? And the libs picked that up to show their disdain for the tea parties? You made my day with that little bit of info.

When I first heard the "tea... (Below threshold)
cirby:

When I first heard the "teabagging" thing, my first thought was "someone's got a teenage son, and doesn't know the uglier meaning of the word." I'm betting that most of the mainstream commenters who started using the word didn't know about the sexual meaning, and were just using it like Little Johnny does when he plays online (and didn't think about it, other than "my kid uses it as an insult, so I'll try it on the show tonight").

I would have loved to have been in the studio when some of those people found out what they were really saying...

They knew, or at least had ... (Below threshold)
Chauncy Palmer IV:

They knew, or at least had an inkling, but were perhaps under the impression that their audience did not.

A bunch of tittering school-kids, smirking and giggling on their "serious" news and pundit shows; it was embarrassing to watch.

Do the CNN executives ever look at the dwindling balance sheets and wonder why, or are they truly as stupid as the commenters they hire?

Instapundit's suggestion of... (Below threshold)

Instapundit's suggestion of a mob bringing their pitchforks to a local city meeting is about the level of retardation I've come to expect from him.

Note that Insty isn't suggesting going to those meetings in order to ask questions or make proposals, he's simply suggesting intimidation through a mob. He's not suggesting an intelligent or effective way to deal with issues, simply another stunt.

If you think the "parties" will ever be effective, please read this through a few times and read my other "party" coverage. Note that I'm suggesting an alternative way to do things that would be much more intelligent and effective. Please note also that some people have tried to train others into believing that opposition to the "parties" equates to supporting BHO. A very simply search at my site will reveal that not to be true.

24Ahead:"Instapundit... (Below threshold)
cirby:

24Ahead:
"Instapundit's suggestion of a mob bringing their pitchforks to a local city meeting is about the level of retardation I've come to expect from him."

It was a reference to President Obama's claim about how he was "protecting" the big banks:

"My administration," the president added, "is the only thing between you and the pitchforks."

So if you're going to whine about mobs and pitchforks, start with your good buddy Barack - and how retarded he was to suggest it in the first place.

Cirby,I'm not citi... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Cirby,

I'm not citing anybodys numbers, the Washington Post is. I just thought that, in light of yesterday's tax protests, they were interesting, so I passed them along. You're free to attach any interpretation to them that you want.


If you want to see what they are citing, it's in the document "Historical Effective Federal Tax Rates: 1979 to 2006". It's on the web site.

The April 16 New York Ti... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The April 16 New York Times, by contrast, failed to publish a single word about the Tea Parties.

Maybe you should rely less on idiots like Paul at Powerline who believes "a reader" who says nothing was in the NYTimes instead of, you know, checking the paper himself (something you could have done also, you know). What would Paul and you have found? Oh, gee:

Tax Day Is Met With Tea Parties

What's this down at the end?

A version of this article appeared in print on April 16, 2009, on page A16 of the New York edition.

Good work, citizen journalists!

Rance:That's the pro... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Rance:
That's the problem with your first post. You cited a cherry-picked number out of a non-cited source. You claimed that "The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the average family forked over barely 9 percent of its earnings to the IRS in 2006," when what the report actually showed was that that amount was only for individual income taxes, which is by no means all of the taxes collected by the IRS, much less collected by the Federal government.

When we finally get a look at the REAL source document, we see things like:

"In 2006, the overall effective federal tax rate was 20.7 percent (see Table 1).
Individual income taxes, the largest component, were 9.1 percent of household
income. Payroll taxes were the next largest source, with an effective tax rate of
7.5 percent. Corporate income taxes and excise taxes were smaller, with effective
tax rates of 3.4 percent and 0.7 percent."

When you take the direct Federal taxes cited in just that report, you get about 20.7% ("all quintiles"). Except that those aren't even the full set of taxes that actually impact American citizens, as I pointed out above.

When you look at ALL taxes collected on the average US taxpayer, you get closer to 28% than the hilarious 9% you were claiming - and even higher, if the government had to report income the same way a typical corporation has to by law.

Mantis, good work, although... (Below threshold)
marc:

Mantis, good work, although it pains me to say it.

However, typical of the NYT, 300k to a half million show-up and these nitwit editors bury the story on A16.

pffft, screw them.

cirby,"You claimed... (Below threshold)
Rance:

cirby,

"You claimed"?

No, they claimed, I cited their claim. I claim nothing.

"non-cited source"?

I cited them, they cited the the CBO. Do they have to draw you a picture?

By the way, my federal income taxes this year were roughly 8% of my gross.

And BTW mantis... isn't it ... (Below threshold)
marc:

And BTW mantis... isn't it "interesting" in the NYT article you linked the largest party event they mention was the one in Houston that they claim had 2000 in attendance.

20,000 in Atlanta... nah can't mention that, no way. Other cities that had over 10k, including NY I believe (if not correct me) nope ignored those also.

Nitwits.

I'm not really interested i... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I'm not really interested in defending the reporting, just pointing out that there was some. You deserve credit for actually reading the paper before criticizing what it says or doesn't say.

Cirby - "Once you get p... (Below threshold)
marc:

Cirby - "Once you get past the list of direct taxes, start in on the indirect ones."

Like this one... When clinton signed NAFTA into law it included a provision to allow Mexican trucks free access to U.S. roads.

It took but a hot second for Slick Willy to kiss the asses of the Teamsters and nullify that provision. It's been that way thru his remaining time in office and thru Bush's.

Obama just took a pass on changing it, ass kissing the Teamsters you be the judge, as a result of no action Mexico's president has imposed tariffs on all Mexican goods brought into the states.

The cost 2.9 billion dollars is the estimate.

marc,I think you'v... (Below threshold)
Rance:

marc,

I think you've got it backwards. The tariffs are on U.S. goods brought into Mexico.

http://thepacker.com/Exporters-place-hopes-on-Mexico-visit/Article.aspx?articleid=365051&authorid=351&feedid=215

Rance, yep, that's what hap... (Below threshold)
marc:

Rance, yep, that's what happens when reading it correctly but not writing clearly.

But it does raise an interesting question doesn't it?

How many U.S. jobs will this effect? How many of the many products shipped south will have the prices raised to a level where the local population no longer buys them and people in the U.S. start getting pink slips.

There's that, and there is ... (Below threshold)
Rance:

There's that, and there is also the fact that the produce will either be left to rot in the field, or sold in the US lowering prices at the consumer end.

Rance:"I cited them,... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Rance:
"I cited them, they cited the the CBO. Do they have to draw you a picture?"

No, we can see the picture you tried to draw quite easily. It just happens to be deeply incorrect. You can't ignore your own screwup by blaming it on an article you half-ass cited.

mantis:
"on page A16 of the New York edition"

In other words, in the local edition only, not in the national edition.

From the New York Times web site...
"Since 1980, 95 percent of The Times's daily circulation gain has come from the national edition, which now has a weekday circulation of 279,000 and a Sunday circulation of 389,000."

A side note to this was that the article didn't appear in the online edition until AFTER several web sites commented on the lack of coverage in the NYT.

rance - "There's that, ... (Below threshold)
marc:

rance - "There's that, and there is also the fact that the produce will either be left to rot in the field, or sold in the US lowering prices at the consumer end."

That assumes there's a U.S. market for the produce.

I bet it's safe to assume those in the business wouldn't be shipping it south at lower prices to fit that economy if a higher profit can be made in the U.S.

PJTV has the figure of 616,... (Below threshold)
maggie:

PJTV has the figure of 616,568 as the total.
There's an idea going around of the Tea Parties
joining up with the 10th Amendment movement of
the states. I think it's a great idea.

"The numbers in post #4 ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"The numbers in post #4 relate to how much taxes people are actually paying. The numbers in post #8 are about budget deficits. Nice apples/oranges shift."

You're the one engaging in shifting and apples and oranges. You're the one focusing only on tax rates. You're the one pretending that these protests were only about taxes. You're the one ignoring the elephant in the room; the national debt/deficit and what is done with those taxes.

But if you really want to focus on taxes ... and only federal income tax to the exclusion of all these:

Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest Expense (tax on the money)
RS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Personal Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
Sales Taxes
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Trailer Registration
Tax Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers' Compensation Tax

... well, then fine.

In regard to the small tea ... (Below threshold)
SC Reader:

In regard to the small tea parties that have gone unreported, our local newspaper estimated the attendance here in Greenwood, SC at 200. I have not seen our town mentioned in any of the reports. How many other small tea parties have also gone unreported? Yes, indeed, 200 here and 200 there will add up to higher numbers of attendees.

Oyster,There are a... (Below threshold)
Rance:

Oyster,

There are a number of things you list as taxes, that are really fees for use.
In that category, I would place:

Building Permits, Dog Licenses, Hunting and Fishing Licenses, Health Inspections, Marriage License, Drivers and Vehicle Licenses.

If you don't want any government regulation of anything, welcome to anarchy. But if you want any regulation, and you want it enforced, then someone have to pay the cost of enforcement. Who better than the people involved?

Any other way, means they are taking money from one group to pay for something that benefits another group. There are some people here who would call the redistributing the wealth.

Taxes are too high, glad to... (Below threshold)
Christina Viering:

Taxes are too high, glad to see some reaction.

For a little analysis of me... (Below threshold)
epador:

For a little analysis of media bias, see what happened in Astoria:
[No promises on how long these links stay active]

Watch this video:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1902589316?bctid=19956403001

Then read the article:

http://www.dailyastorian.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=398&ArticleID=60068&TM=65770.16

Note how the count of 300 in the video is reported as "over a hundred" in the print version.

The Opinion Article the day before made negative comments about the "TeaBaggers" and the opinion article on Friday was a much more thoughtful "be careful what you ask for, and don't get manipulated by propaganda" piece.

The bias is amazingly balanced in what the Daily Astorian put on-line, but not with what they put in print.

Hmmm....

BTW, I'm in the video and slide show

Too soon to stop counting. ... (Below threshold)
iurockhead:

Too soon to stop counting. There were a lot of Tea Parties today, being a Saturday when more people were not working. We had one here in Midland, Texas (population under 100,000) with (my guess) between 500 and 700 people. And I've heard of others around the country. So it wasn't tax day, but it was the anniversary of Paul Revere's famous ride, which was fitting.

Keep counting, the numbers will be larger.

Oyster's list of taxes/fees... (Below threshold)
Boots:

Oyster's list of taxes/fees is right on target. The semantics are irrelevant, it's all money coming out of the pockets of private citizens & the economy, and into the pocket of government where it disappears. The TOTAL tax burden is the motivating factor behind these tea parties, and when you add up all the ways government picks your pocket you can quickly get to over 50% of your income.

Example: The City of Chicago has been 'privatizing' publicly owned infrastructure for some time now. Sections of highways, bridges, parking lots, and recently all parking metered spaces in the city. They are also attempting to 'privatize' Midway Airport. The right to collect fees from users is sold to a private company for cash up front, and the private company gets to charge huge fees to those users in order to drive on the road, use the bridge, park their cars, etc. This is called 'tax farming' and it is a tax. The funny thing is, the rate for parking at some downtown meters has soared to 28 quarters for two hours of parking, and the (formerly heavily used) meters now sit empty. People are fed up and refusing to be fleeced, and the small business that depend on customers being able to park/patronize their businesses are suffering. http://blogs.suntimes.com/marin/2009/03/chicago_parking_meter_rebellio.html




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