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The Obama Administration's Assault on the American Warrior

Barack Obama has made clear his antagonism toward the warriors who have been protecting us from the jihadists hell bent on killing as many Americans as possible. The Obama administration's most recent actions have shown that it is allied not with the American Warriors who have been doing all the work protecting us but with the American Civil Liberties Union, which has been doing all it can to undermine our country's defenses. Steve Schippert has much to say about Obama's hostility toward our American Warriors:

The assault is relentless. It is enraging. And today, the Obama administration's assault on those who dare to defend America from terrorist thugs who rejoice in publicizing beheadings, mass murder, and pure evil are on notice: "You will be punished. We're coming after you."

The target audience now includes the American Warrior. The Obama administration has abdicated the Warrior's defense, refusing to appeal the 2nd Circuit's decision that more photos should be released from investigations of the detention of enemy fighters from the battlefield. The Obama administration has sided with the ACLU and abandoned our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines. This cannot stand.

Brace yourselves for the Obama administration's full on assault on the American psyche, while we in the Warrior Class gear up, strap up, and engage in our defense and our nation's defense by taking the fight right back to its source.

Earlier this week, it was the Bush administration's legal advisers, who had the audacity to write opinions on the legal limits of "enhanced interrogation techniques." They dared to include as legal for use against terrorists procedures that are part of our own Special Forces' training. Then yesterday the Obama administration could not resist its instinctive temptation to renege on its original pledge that it would not go after CIA and military interrogators who, as the administration put it, were simply following orders and guidelines determined from above.

Read all of Steve's post. It's lengthy but worth every moment of your time reading it.

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Comments (35)

This man is proving to be e... (Below threshold)
mag:

This man is proving to be everything I thought bad of him. I felt from the start he did not like this country. He wanted to be president just to ruin it. I don't care if you are a democrat, republican, liberal, or conversative..if your care for your country and your fellow citizens....is what is important. No matter what country you come from you should be proud.
Look at Obamas background, his parents, his grandparents, his "religious mentor", his friends, his other mentors. They were all America hating socialist or communist.
It is any surprise he doesn't like this country. I never felt he was even an American (maybe by birth) but certainly not by heart.
I would have like to see a black president were both parents were American and have been here for generations. That would have been something to be proud of.

What about Bush's assault o... (Below threshold)
galoob:

What about Bush's assault on the American warrior, by prosecuting Lynndie England and a few low ranking soldiers for things that we now know were ordered from the highest levels?

What about the way the Army and USMC were nearly broken by repeated lengthy deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan?

What about the loss of honor implicit in ordering soldiers to do things that we prosecuted the Japanese and Germans for after WWII?

This is a wholesale policy ... (Below threshold)
MPR:

This is a wholesale policy shift that is what you would expect from a man that agrees more with our enemies than he does with America. We may not survive the next 4 years.

I will predict the future. ... (Below threshold)
Kat:

I will predict the future. 5 years from now, Obama will be sitting in jail waiting for sentencing for treason.

Releasing more Abu Graib ph... (Below threshold)

Releasing more Abu Graib photos is nothing more than a diversion tactic. Right now, the Obama Administration needs the 24/7 news cycle to stop asking questions about the effectiveness of coordinated, supervised interrogation of high value Al Qaeda captives. The best way to do this is to redirect them into once again sensationalizing a six year old story about "torture" committed by poorly trained, poorly supervised enlisted personnel.

Don't be too hard on Obama.... (Below threshold)
Garandfan:

Don't be too hard on Obama. The extreme left owns him. He knows it, they know it. Soros and MoveOn call the tune, Obama just dances to it. He's not an unwilling partner, 20+ years in a pew at Rev Wright's hate fest has made him a willing tool.

Whatever excesses the Left ... (Below threshold)

Whatever excesses the Left may claim that Bush engaged in (harsh intterrogation, Patriot Act, etc) the reality is that we did NOT become a "Police State"...and the enemy Bush was focused on was OUTSIDE our borders.

The Obama Regime has decided that all those who disagree (or might disagree) are the enemy! They are focused INWARD...and the military is just one of their targets. I never felt threatened by the "Patriot Act"...until NOW! Because it was looking at terrorists overseas! Now the tools of tracking terrorists are being turned on American citizens here at home!

Americans who dare to question our Dear Leader are the ones DHS feels most threatened by. "1984"?...it's just about here!

They just told us, 'Hey, yo... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

They just told us, 'Hey, you're doing great. Keep it up.' I was instructed by people in higher rank to stand there and hold this leash and look at the camera. We were doing what we were told. To all of us who have been charged, we all agree that we don't feel like we were doing things that we weren't supposed to, because we were told to do them. We think everything was justified, because we were instructed to do this and to do that.
Lynndie England
Who is lying, her or former Bush people?

I think that Michael Laprar... (Below threshold)
kevino:

I think that Michael Laprarie is correct: this is a diversion. The Obama administration is in big troubles from all sides, and they need some red meat to throw their base. They have two big problems:

1. Their base is getting very unhappy about decisions made to keep Bush administration policies that they didn't like, and the decision to not go after Bush administration officials for war crimes and domestic crimes.
2. The average American is realizing that TARP funds are being mismanaged, the huge funds being dumped into the economy are not working because it isn't a stimulus nearly as much as it is payoffs to friends of the DNC, and because they see even more Washington power-grabs (e.g. healthcare) in the works.

In simple terms, the Obama administration needs to have a success. Their foreign policy and domestic policy decisions have not yielded much in the way of positive results. Most polls seem to indicate that the American people like him and hope that his policies will work out, but they don't much that very positive to point to. When you don't have positive results to talk about, it's a good idea to bring our dog-and-pony shows about the past administration.

This is not going to end well for the country.

Wake up people. We have a two party system, and both parties are corrupt and incompetent.

England, et al, were prosec... (Below threshold)
Steve Schippert:

England, et al, were prosecuted and sentenced for their disgraceful conduct. As such, the images the ACLU wants released are from this and other similar military investigations into potential misconduct. Others who acted wrongly were also prosecuted in military courts martial. So let's get off this "Bush abandoned the military and protected England" kick right now.

You see, the point is that the military has investigated and prosecuted misconduct. The release of the photos is because Obama and the ACLU don't think that's enough, that the military cannot be trusted to act properly. They believe that this must become a media circus to denigrate the honor of the Warriors who cannot be trusted to police their own.

End of story. That's the issue. What's actually in the photos doesn't matter. The ACLU even says it doesn't rise to the level of Abu Ghraib. To them, it doesn't matter either. It's about a witch hunt and the ongoing persecution of all things American, especially militarily.

Also, JC - England was bang... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Also, JC - England was bangin' her corporal who had her do this stupid crap. So the 'persons in my chain of command' thing was technically correct - but as you're undoubtedly aware, in the military the chain of command starts with your direct supervisor and goes all the way up.

Realistically, though - I'll think of it as torture when our enemies start doing it to our own people. Given the choice between having heads hacked off or being piled up and having a woman point at genitals and laugh, I think I know which would be preferred by our soldiers.

The Obama Administra... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


The Obama Administration's Assault on Illegal Activity

"The Obama Administration's... (Below threshold)
Garandfan:

"The Obama Administration's Assault on Illegal Activity"

So you're sayin' Obama's gonna go after the ILLEGAL ALIENS?

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Even Obama agrees that defe... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Even Obama agrees that defending the United States from terrorists justifies lobbing hellfire missiles into homes where women and children are often present even though those homes are in Pakistan, a nation that's said to be an ally. Can you imagine the mental anguish these women and children suffer knowing that in the cold black sky a terrible predator stalks men who may enter their home and when it strikes it cares nothing for the innocent lives it snuffs out. Yet in lunacy beyond comprehension Obama and many on the left believe that defending the United States from terrorists does not justify even slapping the face of the very masterminds of terror. They worry that any perceived mistreatment of prisoners puts our own solders at risk for torture, yet in over two hundred years of wars only Nazi Germany has ever treated U.S. prisoners according to the rules of war. They worry that any perceived mistreatment of prisoners is a rallying cry for our foes, yet the injustice of hellfire missiles snuffing out innocent lives rings out far louder. They believe information from torture is of no value, yet many witnesses credit such information for stopping attacks on the United States and call for release of documents detailing those successes. They worry that releasing such information will weaken them politically, yet in the aftermath of another attack that information will be released at far greater political cost.

Yes, Bush also ordered hellfire missiles be fired into homes where women and children are often present, but Bush also ordered the very masterminds of terror to be subjected to harsh treatment, not for revenge nor to permanently injure them, but to get information from them that saved American lives. Bush was at least consistent believing that if defending the United States justifies killing innocent women and children it also justifies subjecting the very masterminds of terror to what's now described as torture.

Obama is making another all-in bet that the United States will not suffer a significant terrorist attack on his watch. If he loses that bet the American people will turn against the elitists who have no stomach for the unpleasantries of the real world at the cost of American lives on American soil.

Steve Schippert's onanistic... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Steve Schippert's onanistic flapdoodle about the American Warrior Class is bizarre coming from a U.S. marine. Are we all Hoplites now? Did you furnish your own rifle?

Steve's Un-American* use of the social category descriptor "class"** is obviously intended to flatter the Jedi Knights at National Review, etc, while bucking up stay-at-home jingos to continue their Vulcan mind-meld drills, no diet or exercise necessary! "

* En guarde! See? Two can play that game!

**American Exceptionalism meme boo-boo, Steve!

bryanEvery word ou... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

bryan

Every word out of your mouth forever defines you as a worthless little punk who can belittle his betters only on a computer safe from their wrath. Even the lingo you choose to describe others gives you away tiny little man. It's the lingo of the gamer boy who reaches out from his mommy's basement where he lives in front of a screen with his pants down.

BryanDNews Falsh!.... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

BryanD

News Falsh!. American Warrior is way to say members of all the armed services. Many people wll say Soldier. Well Soldier is in the USA, a Sailor are in the Navy and Marines are part of the USMC. Not to forget our brave national Guard and Cost Guard who also are out on the front line. They are collective called our war fighters, warriors , military men and women.

No matter where they serve overseas or at home BHO has given the enemy another tool to screw our warriors.

Oh and they are another class. They are a group of people who willing put themsleves in harms way. They stand the watch, they hold the line. They are just like you and me but when they Enlist, are granted a warrant or commission we expect them to sacrifice their lives for ours. They are not only subject to all laws that normal American are subjectto but also the UCMJ. Which if you have every read it has the hapy line subject to death in time of war for a number of offences. Not only that but double jeopardy does not apply to military members, they can be found guilty in court marital server a sentice and then be found guilty in a civilian court. Not to mention countries where we have Status of Forces Agreements, where they can be tried and prosectued by the host country subject to that countries laws. (As pvt serving time for raping a Korean woman, even though blood type of the seman does not match his) On top of all those they are subject to other rules and regulations of their respective services.

Now areour warriors class better or worst than you and me? Having served they are just like us they just are held to a higher standard while doing very hard jobs.
These photo serve no purpose but to make the success of their mission harder to achieve.

But that what you get from people who say they support the troops but not the mission. The make the mission impossible and will joyfully count of the number of deaths for political gain by blaming Bush.

That class of Politian I would call a piece of shite but that gives shite a bad name.

BTW, look the other way while BHO tell banks they cannot give back TARP money, takes over the Auto Industry , and spends our great Grandchildren into death., while kissing up to every enemy we ever had while screwing over out allies.

Change you can Believe in!

In other news, Obama offici... (Below threshold)
914:

In other news, Obama officials cover up release of knowledge pertaining to swine flu outbreak.

The ACLU even defended this... (Below threshold)
SGall:

The ACLU even defended this man.

Galoob"What about ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Galoob

"What about Bush's assault on the American warrior, by prosecuting Lynndie England and a few low ranking soldiers for things that we now know were ordered from the highest levels?"

s. Those soldiers were prosecuted under the chain of command.

b. Charges were brought by the Commanders. A President doesnt prefer charges under UCMJ.

c. England and her boyfriend were not following Bush's orders nor any general officer's orders.

d. BG Karpinski who was the CO of Abu Graib was disciplined for the CRAP that happened there.

e. Did England and her boyfriend claim General so and so said to do this? NO.

f. They dishonored themselves and their profession.

"What about the way the Army and USMC were nearly broken by repeated lengthy deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan?"

Oh you mean because of the drawdown and cuts in funding that happened under the Clinton administration. How do you think the budget was balanced (counting social security in there). Clinton cut the Army divisions from 12 to 10 under Clinton, went from a 500 ship navy to about 350 and cut an entire Air Wing.
I remember the drawdown VERY WELL - I WAS THERE.

"What about the loss of honor implicit in ordering soldiers to do things that we prosecuted the Japanese and Germans for after WWII?"

a. What soldiers are waterboarding? NONE. CIA Interogators are did this under the direct supervision of medical doctors.

b. The one Japanese that I know of that was convicted of "waterboarding" was also convicted of things like rape, prisoner beatings, etc. In addition, he was doing the waterboarding for fun, when the interogators did the waterboarding they were doing it with a distinct purpose of gathering intelligence, under very strict guidance and rules and not for jollies.

c. I havent heard about any Germans doing waterboarding? Please elaborate with some links instead of shooting your mouth off about things you know nothing about.

"News Falsh!. American Warr... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"News Falsh!. American Warrior is way to say members of all the armed services."-hcddbz

I was in the marines. If somebody called me "American Warrior" I would assume they were gay.
And I can almost guarantee that service families and townies around military bases don't use that term. It's obviously a new and patronizing civilian wingnut label to give a certain side of certain issues the opening to say, "Hey! Obama's side refuses to use the term "Warriors(tm) for our warriors, which must mean they hate the military!!!"

"American Warriors(tm)" is the new "flag pin".

That's my sneaking suspicion.
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"bryan
Every word out of your mouth forever defines you as a worthless little punk who can belittle his betters only on a computer safe from their wrath."-michaelC

Yawn. I can be found ALL day EVERY Monday and Tuesday on the 4th floor of the Tulsa County Library on Denver and 4th St, Tulsa OK. Look for the skinhead at the microfiche machine. You can't miss me.


The Obama regime is compose... (Below threshold)
Ken Hahn:

The Obama regime is composed of bureaucrats and cowards. They are shamed by the comparisons to the warriors and the charitable. So those who shame them must be degraded. Private charities and those who give to them are targets. To the O-bots, only the government can address poverty or need. The military cannot be left alone. It embarrasses the bureaucrats.

Remember, this is a post partisan President. If you disagree you are a partisan and that cannot be allowed.

While I am not so keen on t... (Below threshold)
epador:

While I am not so keen on the American Warrior label, I believe it also includes our intelligence operatives. Not all our warriors wear a military uniform, and they have worse things to fear than the UCMJ. Obama et al are just as bent on punishing them as our military.

Whoo, boy! Mac Lorry is on ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Whoo, boy! Mac Lorry is on another of his "we lob Hellfire missiles at our enemies, and therefore torture's OK" kick.

Yet in lunacy beyond comprehension Obama and many on the left ... worry that any perceived mistreatment of prisoners puts our own solders at risk for torture

So Obama, and many on the left. Who else shared this "lunacy"?

The military agency that provided advice on harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects [wrote]... "The unintended consequence of a U.S. policy that provides for the torture of prisoners is that it could be used by our adversaries as justification for the torture of captured U.S. personnel,"

They believe information from torture is of no value

Who does?

"The requirement to obtain information from an uncooperative source as quickly as possible -- in time to prevent, for example, an impending terrorist attack that could result in loss of life -- has been forwarded as a compelling argument for the use of torture," the document said. "In essence, physical and/or psychological duress are viewed as an alternative to the more time-consuming conventional interrogation process. The error inherent in this line of thinking is the assumption that, through torture, the interrogator can extract reliable and accurate information. History and a consideration of human behavior would appear to refute this assumption."
Brian,(1) your first... (Below threshold)

Brian,
(1) your first quote: "The unintended consequence of a U.S. policy that provides for the torture of prisoners is that it could be used by our adversaries as justification for the torture of captured U.S. personnel" is EXACTLY why we adhere to the Geneva Convention when engaging in conflist against ESTABLISHED ARMIES...in uniform! alQueda willingly and gleefully tortures and beheads (and actually WORSE) those they capture.

(2) the information gleaned from the HARSH INTERROGATION of alQueda detainees has indeed yielded tremendous results...saving American lives!

Your definition of "torture" includes a great many things that clearly are NOT "torture"...but just as clearly ARE "Harsh Interrogation". With soldiers of established armies we do not even do HArsh Interrogations...it is strictly "Name, Rank and Serial Number".

But with terrorists who respect NOTHING, and will do REAL torture regardless...we should do HARSH INTERROGATION!

Now, of course, we are apparently not even doing ANY questioning that might upset our "guests". And thus when (not IF) the next attack comes Obama is 100% responsible. He has claimed they will LOVE and RESPECT us. When Americans die by the thousands because of his naivete it will be on HIS HEAD!

(though he and you will still try to blame Bush)

Seems to me we already went... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Seems to me we already went through one session of hating the military--one I lived with.

Totally unsurprising the left would ramp up the bile again, they've NEVER had any use for the military.

I lack the vocabulary to describe my feelings here in socially acceptable terms.

your first quote: ... is... (Below threshold)
Brian:

your first quote: ... is EXACTLY why we adhere to the Geneva Convention when engaging in conflist against ESTABLISHED ARMIES...in uniform!

The JPRA issued their opinion in July 2002, and did not make the distinction you are trying to make.

Your definition of "torture" includes a great many things that clearly are NOT "torture"

Once again, from the above document:

The military agency that provided advice on harsh interrogation techniques for use against terrorism suspects referred to the application of extreme duress as "torture" in a July 2002 document sent to the Pentagon's chief lawyer and warned that it would produce "unreliable information."

But thanks for letting us know that it's "clear" what is and is not torture. It's hard to believe that the military does not share your clarity of vision.

"American Warriors"? Sound... (Below threshold)

"American Warriors"? Sounds like something Hannity or Limbaugh would say, not something from a person we should take seriously.

Brian,"Th... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Brian,

"The unintended consequence of a U.S. policy that provides for the torture of prisoners is that it could be used by our adversaries as justification for the torture of captured U.S. personnel,"

Nice opinion, but the fact is as I stated. Nazi Germany is the only example of a foe constantly treating U.S prisoners according to previously agreed to rules of war. The foes we face now have never agreed to those rules and history shows it's lunacy to expect them to treat U.S. prisoners according to such rules or even humanly. It's a pipedream professional military men have that some future foe is going to play by the rules of war.

History and a consideration of human behavior would appear to refute this assumption.

Once again you offer opinion in a lame attempt to dispute facts. Multiple witnesses have publicly stated that extremely valuable information came from the enhance interrogation techniques and some have called for Obama to release those documents. Once again the left lives in fear of the truth getting out.

My main point is that if defending the United States justifies stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into home with women and children present, and located in a nation that's said to be our ally, it also justifies applying enhanced interrogation techniques on the very masterminds of terror. If we worry about future retribution for using enhanced interrogation techniques, we should worry far more about future retribution for stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into home with women and children present. It's lunacy to think one action is justified and the other is not, that one action risks retribution and the other does not, that one action is a war crime and the other is not. Few here are surprised that the left clutches to such lunacy.

Brian this "unsigned two-pa... (Below threshold)

Brian this "unsigned two-page attachment to a memo by the military's Joint Personnel Recovery Agency" was cherry-picked by the Washington Post and represents one opinion that was considered.

But even the Washington Post couldn't keep the FACT that the techniques were carefully monitored to ensure they did NOT cross the line on things we do to our OWN military!

So, do we "torture" our own military? If you ever went through Boot Camp, or Advanced Infantry Training, or Capture & Evasion School you just might think so! But it is NOT "torture".

You most likely feel "tortured" when the line at Starbucks is too long, or your latte has too much foam!

And as for the hillariously bandied about phrase: "may yield unreliable results"...GACK!

ANY and ALL interrogation "may yield unreliable results", and ANY and ALL interrogation may yield RELIABLE results. The notion that results obtained by sitting and calmly asking a prisoner questions (but only a few minuts at a time...and ALWAYS when they are VERY comfortable!) are better is nonsense!

Though one thing IS certain. If we had NOT obtained the information necessary to stop the destruction of the Library Tower in L.A., when we later asked Khalid Sheik Mohamed if he knew about it in advance, he would have been telling the truth when he said: "YES!"

Justrand,Then KSM wo... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Justrand,
Then KSM would've had to have been "tortured" until he admitted he "didn't" know. Or, killed to cover the fact that he did. Or, forced to eat bacon until he was convinced the 72 virgins waiting for him were not really......

MPR, your "forced to eat... (Below threshold)

MPR, your "forced to eat bacon" comment reminded me it's breakfast time! :)

I just might have to "torture" myself!

Later, I'll force myself to stay awake all day...and maybe listen to some loud music while looking for catepillars in the garden...and I'll be wearing shorts even though it's only 60 degrees today (thus subjecting myself to the "temperature torture"!)

I'll finish up with a shower...holding my breath for 30 seconds at a time (12 seconds LONGER than "brave" Khalid Sheik Mohamed held out!)

Yup...this day is gonna be pure TORTURE!!

Justrand,BRING IT ... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Justrand,

BRING IT ON!!!

One can disagree with the a... (Below threshold)
Brian:

One can disagree with the assessment I linked to, but the fact remains that it came from the department of the military running the SERE training, not the "lunatic left".

What is lunacy is continuing to pretend that this opinion is the sole domain of the left. As is believing that repeatedly posting the phrase "stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into home with women and children present" somehow makes it relate to a valid point.

One can disagree w... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
One can disagree with the assessment I linked to, but the fact remains that it came from the department of the military running the SERE training, not the "lunatic left".

Nevertheless, it's an opinion based on the pipedream of professional military men that some future foe will play by some rules of war. It's now time for reality based thinking.

What is lunacy is continuing to pretend that this opinion is the sole domain of the left. As is believing that repeatedly posting the phrase "stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into home with women and children present" somehow makes it relate to a valid point.

The opinion that defending the United States justifies stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into homes with women and children present, but doesn't justify even slapping the very masterminds of terror in the face is that of Obama. He's the decider, so yes, the lunacy is from the left.

Think of it like this, if a known terrorist entered a home in the U.S., would it be legal to stealthily lob a hellfire missiles into that home knowing that innocent women and children are present? Of course not, but if that home is in Pakistan then the concept of war justifies that action in Obama's mind, yet as soon as a terrorist is captured, Obama wants to treat them under U.S. civil law. What about the rights of the innocent Pakistani citizens under U.S. civil law? It's lunacy to apply the concept of war to justify murdering innocent Pakistani citizens in their own homes, but then apply U.S. civil law to the very masterminds of terror who are the reason for the war in the first place. I believe that history will show that Bush had it right, that the concept of war justifies harsh interrogation of the very masterminds of terror for the purpose of saving American lives on American soil.




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