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BREAKING - Arlen Specter Jumps to Democrats

Apparently it's no joke:

Veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter disclosed plans Tuesday to switch parties, a move intended to boost his chances of winning re-election next year that will also push Democrats closer to a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans," Specter said in a statement posted on a Web site devoted to Pennsylvania politics and confirmed by his office. Several Senate officials said a formal announcement could come later in the day or Wednesday.

Specter, 79 and in his fifth term, is one of a handful of Republican moderates remaining in Congress in a party now dominated by conservatives. Several officials said the White House as well as leaders in both parties had been involved in discussions leading to his move.

With Specter, Democrats would have 59 Senate seats. Al Franken is ahead in a marathon recount in Minnesota, and if he ultimately wins his race against Republican Norm Coleman, he would become the party's 60th vote. That is the number needed to overcome a filibuster.

Specter has been a thorn in the side of conservatives for a long time. It's not like we didn't see this coming, and it's not like we could really count on Specter to support Republican party interests, but it still hurts to see the Democrats possibly gain a filibuster-proof majority.

2010 won't come soon enough.


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Not that big of a deal, he ... (Below threshold)

Not that big of a deal, he already couldn't be counted on to sustain a party line vote, meaning this doesn't change the fact that the GOP already couldn't force filibusters. Hell, the GOP is lucky when they can get McCain to vote with them, forget about Specter and ME's democrats in GOP clothing.

About all I can say to the ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

About all I can say to the folks who'll applaud the idea of a filibuster-proof Democratic majority...

Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

It could be good - could be bad. Think of a bunch of kids given the keys to the ultimate candy shop... what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

"but it still hurts to see ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"but it still hurts to see the Democrats possibly gain a filibuster-proof majority.
"

Like they didnt have it before with SPineless SPecter, Stupid Snowe and Clueless Collins.

Good riddance to all 3 of them.

Don't let the door hitcha w... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.

At least he's among his own... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

At least he's among his own kind now.

You can't waint until 2010?... (Below threshold)
Larry Dickman:

You can't waint until 2010? The Party of No will lose another 5+ seats in the Senate.

The hole is deep, and you keep digging.

Amazing.

If you guys had forgiven Sp... (Below threshold)
jvc:

If you guys had forgiven Spector, or recognized that he is in a left leaning state and couldn't go to far to the right, you would have had an important chess piece that would have forced Obama to compromise on many issues. (Like he did when he put 40% tax cats that democrats didn't want in the stimulas bill which was the price to get Spector on board.)

Now we don't have to bother with that anymore! Please send us collins and Snowe as well! national Health care here we come!

"2010 won't come soon enoug... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

"2010 won't come soon enough."

Just what are you expecting from that? The top 6 or 7 most vulnerable Senate seats up next year are held by Republicans. I would say 64-65 seats for the Democrats is the most likely scenario.

Arlen Specter was a Republi... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Arlen Specter was a Republican?

It wasn't really a switch, ... (Below threshold)
Yogurt Author Profile Page:

It wasn't really a switch, he just "outed" himself...

Goodbye to bad rubish!... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Goodbye to bad rubish!

He is 79 year old, has been... (Below threshold)
mag:

He is 79 year old, has been sick...and he still wants to run again!!! What the hell, is he so power hungry he can not quit and spend the remaining of his years relaxing and enjoying his money. It is not like he is some great statesmen and devoted to his country. But he will probably get back in, just like the scumbag Dodd from my state. I do hope they don't get back in. I'ld like to see their egos get a slap in the face.


"I now find my political ph... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"I now find my political philosophy more in line with Democrats than Republicans,"

Now?

Or did he just get more internal polling data?

I just hope this Republican... (Below threshold)
jvc:

I just hope this Republican trend of going after any who dare cross party lines, on any votes continue. Why not go after McCain next? You guys never liked him much either?

Does Spector really think t... (Below threshold)
Hermie:

Does Spector really think that PA Dems will just let him waltz in and take a seat that they believe they can win on their own?

What's so maddening is that he let the GOP Senate leadership support him while all along he was planning this defection. It was like Chafee where the party stuck their necks out for him, and he turned around and gave the GOP the finger.


jvc, please stop, your igno... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

jvc, please stop, your ignorance is showing.

Yeah, like Mr. Specter just woke up this morning and thought, hey my ideals line up more like a democrat than republican, so I'll just switch parties. It has nothing to do with the 10+ point lead his Republican primary opponent has on him.

Yipeeee!!!! One more for th... (Below threshold)
Everybody:

Yipeeee!!!! One more for the good guys!

Arlen Specter's move is not... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Arlen Specter's move is not a shock. I wonder what he was promised? In actuality, Lieberman is voting with the dem caucus but in areas of national defence, he is right in there with the republicans.

Personally, Specter likes to hear his own voice. Smart, yes. Articulate,yes. Loyal, not at all. Committed, not at all. comprimised, for sure. ww

Sphincter's need to be a Se... (Below threshold)

Sphincter's need to be a Senator long since exceeded any principles he may have had. His firm denial this could EVER happen just a few weeks ago is ample evidence.

As for the "filibuster-proof" Senate, I can only say that it will be harder and harder for the Dems (who've already owned Congress for TWO YEARS) to blame BUSH and the Republicans.

whatever happens, whether good or ill, the Dems OWN IT!

65% of Obama voters in the last election believed that the Republicans had been in charge of Congress for the previous two years. Maybe even those clueless dolts will finally realize who IS in charge...and hold THEM accountable!

Let the destruction of the ... (Below threshold)
AJ:

Let the destruction of the USA commence.

Glad to be rid of him. Many... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Glad to be rid of him. Many Conservatives would like to see actual conservative candidates put up instead of Dem lights who many of the GOP nominate in the name of winning at any cost. Let it be a battle of ideas instead of the mess we have now. If we lose, we lose but it won't be a cakewalk like many of these idiots pretend it will be. RINO have done us no good. They only make it so we have to compromise therefore sharing the blame for bad decisions and give the other side cover so the MSM can say "Republican Specter, McCain and\or Snow support it so it is bipartisan" type junk.

jvc, please stop,... (Below threshold)
jvc:
jvc, please stop, your ignorance is showing.

Yeah, like Mr. Specter just woke up this morning and thought, hey my ideals line up more like a democrat than republican, so I'll just switch parties. It has nothing to do with the 10+ point lead his Republican primary opponent has on him.

No, My education and clear thinking are showing. and you proved my point, without realizing it of course. if you had forgiven Spector for his stimulas vote, which is what Tomey used when he launched his campaign, Spector wouldn't be 10 points down, and if he wasn't 10 points down he would not be a democrat.

Spector, knew if he voted against the stimulas bill he would have lost the genral election in a left leaning state. So he forced some compromises from the Dems then voted with them. This would have helped insure a victory in the general election against his democratict opponent. because the folks of PA like Spector. However, the extreme right when batshit over his vote, and that anger put him down in the primary. He was never going to make it to the general election, so he switched parties and you have no one to blame but yourselves.

p.s. please go after McCain next!

If you guys had forgiven... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

If you guys had forgiven Spector, or recognized that he is in a left leaning state and couldn't go to far to the right,

Actually, this has more to do with the primary election challenge that Specter's facing... and the fact that the Republican party seems to be supporting his opponent.

He didn't change parties. ... (Below threshold)

He didn't change parties. He changed name tags.

Good riddance.

Actually, this ha... (Below threshold)
jvc:
Actually, this has more to do with the primary election challenge that Specter's facing... and the fact that the Republican party seems to be supporting his opponent.

Well, no. If he had gone further to the right and voted against the stimulas he most likely would have lost the general election to a democratic challenger. He has to positon himself as a moderate to survive in PA which just leans left.

But by being moderate he enraged the GOP base which was going to take him down in the primary. This put Spector in a tough spot. Go too far right and you can win the primary, but you will lose the general election. Stay moderate which puts you in a position to win the general and you lose your base and are beaten in the primary. Seeing which way the wins were blowing Spector jumped ship to the place he can retain his, seat with the democrats.

If you on the right had not went after Spector, you would have a swing vote which force the Democrats to compromise. Now he is ours and will have to stay somewhat in line if he wants DNC funds and support from a popular president.


Is switching parties allowe... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:

Is switching parties allowed by Scottish law?

These comments are a perfec... (Below threshold)

These comments are a perfect illustration of how the right deludes themselves thinking that ideological purity breeds electoral success, that all would be just great if the GOP purged itself of the insufficiently pure.

What you all fail to realize is that there ain't enough of you to win outside the reddest of districts: if you want to amount to anything more than a token (and ignored) minority then you need to welcome the Specters... especially when a 'real' conservative has zero chance of winning in a left-leaning state.

Yeah, he didn't vote as consistently conservative as you'd like - but you got his votes more often than you would have with a Democrat holding the seat, and certainly more often than you'll get it now - and more importantly, you had his vote in determining the Senate majority (not that the GOP did anything useful when they were in the majority, but that's a different subject).

But rather than be appreciative of getting most of what you'd like, you b***h and moan that you're not getting everything... and as a result, you're going to get even less. Nice move. I'm sure Obama and the Democrats can't wait for you all to increase the pressure on Snowe and Collins and the other mudbloods.

Now? Or did he just get ... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Now? Or did he just get more internal polling data?

That's cute. I guess he's just following the national trend.

That's [21%] the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).

Democrats suffered a smaller loss, with independents making the big gains. But when you're a Senator, there aren't many places to go.

polls mean what you want th... (Below threshold)

polls mean what you want them to mean and nothing more...
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Tuesday, April 21, 2009
For the second straight week, Democrats and Republicans are tied on the Generic Congressional Ballot.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 39% would vote for their district's Democratic candidate while 39% would choose the Republican.

Last week, the parties were tied at 38%, representing the lowest level of support for Democrats to date.
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Monday, April 13, 2009
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows U.S. voters trust the Democratic Party over Republicans on the top issue of the economy by just a three-point margin this month, 45% to 42%...In March, voters trusted the Democrats more by a 47% to 40% margin.

For the third straight month, investors trust the GOP more to handle the economy, 48% to 42%, but non-investors still trust Democrats more by 16 points.

Republicans now have moved further ahead of Democrats on the issues of national security and taxes. The GOP also has come on strong on several other issues, including immigration and Social Security....

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and so on and so forth...

Now he is ours... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Now he is ours

Yes, he is. And as you can see, the Republicans seem to be mighty distraught over the whole affair.

While the Democrats may hav... (Below threshold)
mantis:

While the Democrats may have a 60-seat majority if and when Franken is seated, this does not mean they are filibuster proof. Where the Senate goes on big decisions will still be largely determined by a dozen or so moderates from both parties. That's the way it is now, and that's how it will remain. Just because Specter will have a (D) next to his name doesn't make health care or immigration reform any easier to get through Congress. My guess is the instances where all 60 Democrats line up against all 40 Republicans on a bill will be very infrequent.

That's [21%] the percent... (Below threshold)
Clay:

That's [21%] the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983.

You don't believe they're leaving to join the Democrats, do you? Certainly you're not that deluded. Fact is, voters like myself are getting fairly disgusted with both parties, and are leaving in droves to become independent.

Oh, you mindless party bots. When will you wake up and start thinking independently?

Should we say that the ever... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Should we say that the ever increasing political minority has been Zell Millered? Turnabout is fair play!.

Shoot, yesterday I gave them 29%. I didn't realize it was 21%. By 2010 they'll just change the party name to RINO and the official motto will be a channeling of Nancy Reagan - "Just Say No!"

Falze: it isn't that the pu... (Below threshold)

Falze: it isn't that the public is flocking to the GOP because they're buying GOP kool-aid, it's because they're shrinking from what the Democrats are offering... just as Obama's win wasn't so much because the country went liberal as it was because they were rejecting everything GOP (even tangentially GOP, as with McCain).

It's another illustration of the logical fallacy afflicting politicians of both sides; rejection of one's opponent or his positions is NOT necessarily an endorsement of me or my positions.

If the GOP ever wants to regain - and hold - power, they have to need to offer a platform that voters like, not just stand in opposition to what Obama is trying to do.

Now <a href="http://www.bre... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:

Now Specter says Obama promised to campaign for him. This the same Specter that George Bush campaigned for.

Change!

Yes, he is. And a... (Below threshold)
jvc:
Yes, he is. And as you can see, the Republicans seem to be mighty distraught over the whole affair.

And I'm glad they are not. it increases our chances of picking off more moderates in the GOP when the far right drives them out. I think there are what, two left?

You don't believe... (Below threshold)
jvc:
You don't believe they're leaving to join the Democrats, do you? Certainly you're not that deluded. Fact is, voters like myself are getting fairly disgusted with both parties, and are leaving in droves to become independent.

There is a book out about this trend called: Party of One: Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Rise of the Independent Voter.

Were I a liberal, I wouldn'... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Were I a liberal, I wouldn't be counting my chickens in the 2010 elections. If unemployment remains in the 2 digit area, you might find people a little testy. Oh, I doubt they'll buy "It's all Bush's fault" by then.

You don't believe they'r... (Below threshold)
Brian:

You don't believe they're leaving to join the Democrats, do you? Certainly you're not that deluded. Fact is, voters like myself are getting fairly disgusted with both parties, and are leaving in droves to become independent.

Odd that you're responding to my comment, but you seemingly didn't read my last sentence:

Democrats suffered a smaller loss, with independents making the big gains.
rejection of one's oppon... (Below threshold)
Clay:

rejection of one's opponent or his positions is NOT necessarily an endorsement of me or my positions...If the GOP ever wants to regain - and hold - power, they have to need to offer a platform that voters like

You're fundamentally correct. However, I would disagree by saying that the problem has manifested itself by both parties seeking power apart from principles. It isn't about giving voters what they want as much as being a party that stands on the principle upon which this nation was founded: A government that is limited in its powers by the preeminence of the God-given rights of individuals.

I guarantee that if either party returned to those principles of liberty to which our Founder's held firm, they would eventually form a power base that couldn't be shaken. Unfortunately, we have, as a ntion, abandoned those principles because politicians felt that their own political power was more important.

Odd that you're respondi... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Odd that you're responding to my comment, but you seemingly didn't read my last sentence

Yep. My bad. Sorry.

It's not a secret that the ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

It's not a secret that the political tide can turn quickly and the American electorate may start to experience buyers remorse by the 2010 elections. Knowing this I expect Obama and democrats to push through as much of their agenda as they can as quickly as they can. Of course, in doing so they could alienate much of the American electorate. If the economy is still bad in 2010 or if there's another 9/11 like attack on the U.S., democrats could lose control of the House and may even lose seats in the senate. People only need to look back to 2006 to see how that could happen.

Arlen Specter's move is ... (Below threshold)
Mike G in Corvallis:

Arlen Specter's move is not a shock. I wonder what he was promised?

Obama's from Chicago. I wonder what dirt he has on Specter? ;-)

The rumors that I've seen indicate that Specter won't run in 2010 -- he probably couldn't win a Democratic primary anyway -- and that Obama has promised him a Supreme Court nomination.

Makes sense for Obama: in the short term he gets another Senate vote, in the longer term he'll get a "moderate" confirmed to the Supreme Court without a fight; a couple of years after that, he'll get to fill Specter's USSC seat with someone more left-wing.

Based on some of the commen... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Based on some of the comments here I'd say the Repubs can now be known as the party of "if" and "no". Sort of like Sneezy and Dopey. Even sounds like a few are rooting for a terrorist attack.

And I'm glad they are no... (Below threshold)
Clay:

And I'm glad they are not. it increases our chances of picking off more moderates in the GOP when the far right drives them out.

Both parties are being driven by statism. One wants my economic liberty, while the other covets my social liberty. The moderates are perceived as this enlightened group that somehow seeks to 'bridge the gap', when in in fact they just want limits on both forms of liberty.

There is a 'new' American emerging. Actually, he's an American who wants a return to the values of earlier times. People are waking up to the leviathan that is the federal government. We, like those who began the new nation, are realizing that all the damned thing wants to do is eat, grow, and make a mess.

Indeed, the old is the new.

Anyone remember the 2004 el... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Anyone remember the 2004 elections. It was the Dems in the wilderness and needed to find their voice and that entire BS back then. Did they? No. They hardly change a thing yet they took back congress in 2006. Historically the party that has the Whitehouse loses seats in off year election. Many of the so call swing voters change because they get tired of one party or the other. Yes that is oversimplifying it a bit but like the weather political landscape changes with time. Anyone from either side that state that any election shows voters wholeheartedly believing in a parties agenda is BS and delusional.

Yes there are things both parties can do to strengthen their positions but reading too much in any results is foolish.

Yes the GOP with it chasing the middle to win election has lost it identity and need to find it again. However IMO 50% of any lost or gains in 2010 will due to party identity and the other 50% will be due to other factors.

Feeling more irrelevant by ... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

Feeling more irrelevant by the day, aren't you dead-enders? Right now, all you have left is to rationalize why this long-time republican would switch.

For anyone with half a brain, it's common sense. But keep on complaining and trashing him. Keep on assuming that your failures are always someone elses fault or the result of the media.

Keep doing that so that the rest of us can get on with actually caring for this country and trying to fix it rather than just complain and being obstructionists.

We do want to limit the pow... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

We do want to limit the power of the liberals in government, and for the time Arlen's move does indeed do that. However, in the long run the conservatives will take back power, so just continue to work for that (and Specter's departure may make that goal clearer). I tried hard to help Toomey back in 2004 -- and I like Santorum and Pres. Bush, but was upset at both for supporting Specter.

Based on some of t... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Based on some of the comments here I'd say the Repubs can now be known as the party of "if" and "no".

And I'd say the democrats are the party of B.S.

Even sounds like a few are rooting for a terrorist attack.

Just recognizing that Obama's actions invite a terrorist attack, but go ahead and keep your blinders on.

Just recognizing that Obama... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

Just recognizing that Obama's actions invite a terrorist attack, but go ahead and keep your blinders on.

Lets see. You've been wrong about EVERYTHING over the past 8 years and you're telling us we've got blinders on? Thank goodness Specter had the good sense to extricate himself from a party of such pathetically stubborn failures.

Stay a republican. Ignorance suits you.

"Stay a republican. Igno... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Stay a republican. Ignorance suits you."

And keep your ass up around your shoulders. You look great in fur.

There. That added more to the conversation in two sentences as you have in six paragraphs.

#38You are so right.... (Below threshold)
mag:

#38
You are so right. These liberals and demos think they have everything going for them. Don't gloat so much, in one day the whole thing can turn around on you and you'll find yourself falling...hard and long.

Stay a republican. Ignor... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Stay a republican. Ignorance suits you.


">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGWbzUM-y8">
And stay a Democrat for the same reason.

You know, I'm never gonna f... (Below threshold)
Clay:

You know, I'm never gonna figure out the hyperlink thing. Nope. Too old.

Don't gloat so muc... (Below threshold)
SteveP:
Don't gloat so much, in one day the whole thing can turn around on you and you'll find yourself falling...hard and long.

Nope. Don't think so.

That's your current state, not ours.
Try a little humble pie.

If the GOP ever wants to... (Below threshold)

If the GOP ever wants to regain - and hold - power, they have to need to offer a platform that voters like, not just stand in opposition to what Obama is trying to do.

Let me rewrite this to about 2006 standards:

"If the Dems ever wants to regain - and hold - power, they have to need to offer a platform that voters like, not just stand in opposition to what Bush is trying to do."

Hmmm...it worked for them...so much for that theory.

We will get hit again, just... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

We will get hit again, just like the last two Presidents had it happened, and it will also happen to the next President. To lay the blame on one or the other President is pure BS.

SteveP - "Lets see. You... (Below threshold)
marc:

SteveP - "Lets see. You've been wrong about EVERYTHING over the past 8 years and you're telling us we've got blinders on?"

Well... except for that Surge thing in Iraq.

Except for the massive email campaign that stopped the previ9us admins' attempt at blanket amnesty.

Except for rolling-up A.Q. Khan's nuclear proliferation network.

Except the reps recognize fiscal irresponsibility we they see it.

Except etc...etc....

The list isn't endless, but certainly much longer than you would ever recognize or admit.

JC Hammer: "We will get ... (Below threshold)

JC Hammer: "We will get hit again, just like the last two Presidents had it happened, and it will also happen to the next President. To lay the blame on one or the other President is pure BS."

Oh, NOW it's "pure BS"...right?

Obama and the Dems HAMMERED Bush during the 2006 and 2008 elections, claiming HE was the reason they attacked us...and HE was the reason they hate us.

Obama has now gone around the world prostrating himself, bowing, scraping and apologizing for America.

WHEN they hit us again Obama will, of course, BLAME BUSH!

We will get hit a... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
We will get hit again, just like the last two Presidents had it happened, and it will also happen to the next President. To lay the blame on one or the other President is pure BS.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but 9/11 changed that. Prior to 9/11 terrorism was a law enforcement problem, on 9/11 it became painfully obvious we were at war. Obama has not only stopped calling it a war, he's stopped treating it like a war. If we get hit again it will be painfully obvious even to democrats that Obama dropped his guard and failed to protect the United States from attack, which is his duty.

Well... except for... (Below threshold)
SteveP:
Well... except for that Surge thing in Iraq.

Except for the massive email campaign that stopped the previ9us admins' attempt at blanket amnesty.

Except for rolling-up A.Q. Khan's nuclear proliferation network.

Except the reps recognize fiscal irresponsibility we they see it.

Except etc...etc....

The list isn't endless, but certainly much longer than you would ever recognize or admit.

And you're delusional. And you only see what you want. And I'm not even going to get into the tunnelvision evident in your post.

Bush was a failure. The republican party is a failure. The majority of clear-minded people know this. The rest of the world sees it. You two-percenters are the only one's who don't.

I feel sorry for you, but you brought this on yourselves - and you obviously never heard of self-evaluation. So be it.

#55I repeat is it ... (Below threshold)
mag:

#55

I repeat is it not good for anyone to brag or gloat whether it is in your personal life, out in the workforce or in politics.

My state is what is good for the country and its people. Guess what your guy is just not cutting it. Things will turn around it is the nature of life.

Save that humble pie for yourself!

SteveP - "And you're de... (Below threshold)
marc:

SteveP - "And you're delusional. And you only see what you want. And I'm not even going to get into the tunnelvision evident in your post."

Really, just which part of my post demonstrated that?

Which point was not factual?

We have been complaining ab... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

We have been complaining about and bashing Specter long before he switch parties. Why would we stop now that he is a Democrat? How is saying that part of the GOP problems is praising and supporting RINOs when we should be putting up conservatives, blaming someone else? How is saying we need to get back to our principles of limited government and balance budget, blaming someone else?

Brian, I am not sure if thi... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Brian, I am not sure if this is the first time, but I agree with you. I am so sick of the politics of both parties it gets tiresome. ww

"If you guys had forgiven S... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"If you guys had forgiven Spector"

Forgiving Spinelss Specter is like having someone come up to you on the street and knocking you on your ass for no reason, then telling them "I am sorry if you hurt your hand."

Swine Flew!... (Below threshold)
repub76:

Swine Flew!

Which part wasn't factual, ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Which part wasn't factual, Marc?

The "Surge thing" in Iraq. The success of the "Surge thing" can be laid, in large part, at the feet of the "Sunni Awakening." The Awakening was a massive bribe program that paid cash for insurgents to switch sides. If you're claiming that 30,000 troops turned the tide, that part "isn't factual."

Claiming that the GOP "recognizes fiscal irresponsibility when they see it" also "isn't factual," when you consider Medicare Part B and the off-budget funding of two expensive wars, financed by.....wait for it....tax CUTS on the wealthiest.

As always, I hesitate to engage with you, knowing I'll soon be called either a "twit" or your favorite sobriquet, "asswipe."

Oh, got <a href="http://www... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Oh, got another one for Republicans to purge. Keep peeling them away, folks, and soon the party will be small enough to drown in the tub.

Bruce Henry= ASSWIPE! And y... (Below threshold)
RFA:

Bruce Henry= ASSWIPE! And your arguments are juvenile and factually incorrect.

The excuse that the GOP isn... (Below threshold)
Eric:

The excuse that the GOP isn't inclusive of moderates is belied by one simple fact, the GOP didn't throw Spector out he left on his own. It wasn't the GOP who was intolerant of moderates, it was moderate Spector who was intolerant ofw the majority Conservatives in his party. Maybe he should call Jim Jeffords and ask how well it worked out for him.

bh - "The "Surge thing"... (Below threshold)
marc:

bh - "The "Surge thing" in Iraq. The success of the "Surge thing" can be laid, in large part, at the feet of the "Sunni Awakening." The Awakening was a massive bribe program that paid cash for insurgents to switch sides. If you're claiming that 30,000 troops turned the tide, that part "isn't factual."

And you're claiming the presence of 30,000 troops didn't have any effect?

Show me.

bh - "As always, I hesitate to engage with you, knowing I'll soon be called either a "twit" or your favorite sobriquet, "asswipe."

But you hardly ever fail to "engage," and BTW, thanks for noticing.

Personally, I think he'll d... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Personally, I think he'll do far more damage to the Democrats than he ever did to the Republicans because now he's voting against the Republicans as a Democrat, which he's essentially been since the early 90's.

He's totally incapable of making rational decisions based on anything more than personal self interest.

Bruce HenryNice to... (Below threshold)
reitred military:

Bruce Henry

Nice to see you are back.

How about giving Kim that apology you owe her? Are you just not man enough to admit that you were wrong even in the face of overwhelming evidence?

In addition, I still need your address so that I can send you the $2 that is your share of my pay and retirement that was confiscated from your tax money.

BTW for all the military members who no longer can say this because they gave their lives for you to spew your venom about your tax dollars going to enhance their job prospects I wholeheartedly say for myself and for them -

SCREW YOU.

I'll second that RM.<... (Below threshold)
marc:

I'll second that RM.

And add... piss off you wanker!

Go Democrats.... (Below threshold)
Christina Viering:

Go Democrats.

So Arleen Spincter is switc... (Below threshold)
914:

So Arleen Spincter is switching parties....Does this mean than that Hes going become a conservative?

so long you worthless ass.

Forgiving Spinelss Specter ... (Below threshold)
jvc:

Forgiving Spinelss Specter is like having someone come up to you on the street and knocking you on your ass for no reason, then telling them "I am sorry if you

Hey I'm glad you didn't. we now have 60 ;)

Oh, got another one for ... (Below threshold)
PT109:

Oh, got another one for Republicans to purge. Keep peeling them away, folks, and soon the party will be small enough to drown in the tub.

I had to respond to this. I just wanted to know if the average liberal truly supports the advancement of a single party state where the only chice that citizens are given in elections is to decide which shade of "red" our next representative will be. Also, IMO, a moderate is the worst kind of politician, because most of the time a moderate espouses the worst ideals of both parties. I think a true moderate in the USA should be a social liberal but a fiscal conservative. It's a sad state of affairs when all of our moderates believe the opposite.

Also, IMO, a moder... (Below threshold)
SteveP:
Also, IMO, a moderate is the worst kind of politician, because most of the time a moderate espouses the worst ideals of both parties.

This statement is pathetic.

Extremes are wrong in terms of governing. All you have to do is look at the last disasterous 8 years. THAT is the result of governing to one extreme at the expense of everything else.

Anyone who can't grasp that is living in their own world.

In reality, a moderate will take the BEST aspects of both parties. YOU are simply not a moderate, so it's fun for you to make this stuff up. It's just false.

(And, by the way, the last 8 years HAVE been a disaster for everyone but the far right. They've just got their heads too far up their own asses to understand reality like the rest of us (the majority of the country - and the world) do.)

Steve,Do you know ... (Below threshold)

Steve,

Do you know the people that you are writing to believe that Bush was a moderate to liberal politician?

His stance on immigration and government spending didnt win him much Conservative support.

Do you know the pe... (Below threshold)
SteveP:
Do you know the people that you are writing to believe that Bush was a moderate to liberal politician?

Oh, I know that - but he's never been a moderate. It's the same old garbage - republicans define their own by one or two issues as if the rest of what a politician does is just so much noise.

Bush was as far right as they come. If ignorant people don't know this it is their failing - and they've had alot of those failings lately.

"Bush was as far right a... (Below threshold)
914:

"Bush was as far right as they come."

Ha ha ha ha thats the most ridiculous comical thing ive read on here all week. Ha ha ha ha ha. thanx

I just wanted to know if... (Below threshold)
mantis:

I just wanted to know if the average liberal truly supports the advancement of a single party state where the only chice that citizens are given in elections is to decide which shade of "red" our next representative will be.

No, I don't (cute red-baiting though. The 50s called, they want their perspective back). I want a legitimate second party, and preferably a third and fourth. But, as the Republicans are bound and determined to destroy themselves, I would prefer they do it quickly so a viable alternative can emerge.

Liberals ain't doing this to you. You're doing it to yourselves.




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