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Obama Ridicules Tea Party Protestors

Barack Obama has decided that he doesn't want to be the leader of those Americans who came out on April 15th to protest big government taxes and big government spending. He ridiculed those of us who took time out of their day to go to a protest to express our opinions. When you watch the video, pay close attention to the tension in his face and the tone of his voice when he talks about the tea party protesters and "certain news channels." This massive tea party protest really got in his craw. Don't believe it when others say he didn't know about the protests. He knew. And he didn't like it one bit.

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Every time Obama, the media... (Below threshold)

Every time Obama, the media, or any politician (Dem or Repub) ridicules these it just stiffens my resolve to attend as many as possible! And the resolve of millions of other folks too!

The Sacramento Tea Party had over 15,000 people on a WEEKDAY. All walks of life, all ages, all races.

It's all about CONTROL!

The spending is out of control...and the government wants too much control of our lives!!

Yes, Dear Leader, you can ridicule the Tea Parties...and blame Bush and FoxNews for everything. But America IS waking up, and they're not happy!

Mexico has put a ban on lar... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Mexico has put a ban on large gatherings because of the swine flu outbreak:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8019802.stm

Tea Party? Permit denied!

JustrandWhich Amer... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Justrand

Which America is waking up?

This one from 3 days ago?

"Obama's overall rating remains high, with 69 percent of Americans approving of his job performance. He gets solid marks for his handling of the economy, maintaining a better-than-2-to-1 advantage over congressional Republicans on the issue. Majorities said that Obama has exceeded their expectations in his first three months in office, has accomplished big things and has kept his main campaign promises. Further, public optimism about the economy and the country's direction also remain on the rise since his election, even as few think his major economic initiatives have moved the needle on the nation's flagging economy, their communities or their finances."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/25/AR2009042503120.html

Or yours?

you can't even stay on topi... (Below threshold)

you can't even stay on topic for 20 farking minutes, can you, troll?

make that "trolls"... (Below threshold)

make that "trolls"

GW Bush had the class and d... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

GW Bush had the class and dignity to say everyone is intitled to their opinion in a free society. This classless empty suit ridicules opposing viewpoints. But that is what the left does.

Anytime now, UD will talk about only white people being republicans. Typical ignorant attitude.

The Tea Parties were against wasteful spending. The left thinks taxes. Go figure. Their talking points say it so it must be so.

I totally agree with Justrand. This kind of behavior only steeles my resolve to participate. Barry woke up a giant. ww

Unrepentant Democrat: "O... (Below threshold)

Unrepentant Democrat: "Obama's overall rating remains high, with 69 percent of Americans approving of his job performance."

Did ya look at the internals of that poll? Take a gander. They oversampled Dems by nearly 20 points. One of the questions rated "how much Obama thinks like me". Nearly 70 percent in that poll said Obama thought just like them!

It's all in who you ask!

p.s. I took a poll that same day! 100% of the people I polled thought THAT poll was full of crap...and 100% thought Obama was even MORE full of crap! (Scientific Poll with a +/- of 0%...of course, it was just me and my wife!)

Look at the Rasmussen trending poll...and note how slim Our Dear Leader's "Strongly Approve" margin is above his "Strongy DISapprove". THREE POINTS!

Gallup just released their poll as well...and Obama is not looking good THERE either.

CBS "polls" are one of the biggest jokes around...which explains why you rely on them, Unrepentant Democrat

now get back on target

The empty suited teleprompt... (Below threshold)
914:

The empty suited teleprompted fool sure gets upset when he sees freedom in action.

Communist

Gallup just released the... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Gallup just released their poll as well...and Obama is not looking good THERE either.

Yes, they did:

As President Barack Obama concludes his first 100 days on the job, Gallup Poll Daily tracking for the week of April 20-26 finds 65% of Americans approving of how he is doing and only 29% disapproving.

Please define "not looking good" for us.

Oops, <a href="http://www.g... (Below threshold)
mantis:
This kind of behavior on... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

This kind of behavior only steeles my resolve to participate. Barry woke up a giant.

I always pictured you as being rather slim, Willie. But as for your assertion that it's not about taxes, well, an awful lot of the people at these protests seemed not to have received that memo.

Anyway, yeah, shame on Obama for ridiculing the ridiculous. And good for Kim for having the cajones to link to the Free Republic. I'll remember that next time someone chastises me for linking to something on talkingpointsmemo.com.

We should have another Tea ... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

We should have another Tea Party!

The ironic part is that the... (Below threshold)
Dave:

The ironic part is that the people that need to be convinced of this "optimism" of the economic recovery are the very people he spends time demonizing and using as scape goats. You need to convince the money mangers on and off wall street that your economic policy is viable and the overwhelming majority of people on the strett and off that all deal with money dont believe it. So what if Joe Schmo in Rio Linda or even Jane Schmo in NYC think that his plan is viable? I mean its great that his spin machine has tricked them into thinking socialism and statism is the key to the future. But it doesnt matter to the economy and the market. If the people who control the money and generate trades and move and manage money of all kinds dont believe in it, then it wont happen. You arent going to convince a group of people who who can look beyond the NYT, LAT, Washington Post and other newsprints and cable channels that this is a viable plan for the future. You just wont do it.

I have my whole portfolio set up short because the market is going to go down again before it goes up to the 10,000 DJIA. Ive looked at the technicals on the charts, Ive looked at the news, Ive looked at the budget proposals and people will want their money in cash when all this goes triggers. I called 6500 DJIA last year at a halloween party if he got elected. Was anyone paying attention in March of this year? So many people said its impossible, too much money, too much equity. Apparently the lawyers and other assorted genius at the party dont realize that people will REMOVE equity at some point in exchange for cash, therefore reducing the amount of money in the mkt. Too easy people. Simply put, if the money mangers you trust to handle your money dont trust or believe in the economic proposal he is pushing, they will simply hold your money and not invest it, or recommend very low return funds like a money market. Because if they invest like they should be doing, they will get burned by Obama and they will be demonized by the people who lost money and the govt itself. And over what? Doing their job? We arent talking about the ultra high risk derivative traders here that should be focusing soley on poeple who want to take maximum risk with maximum return. We are talking the real deal, long term investors who are building a great portfolio for you. They have been demonized as well. So they are very risk adverse right now. As they should be as they dont want to be publci enemy #1. This is what Obama and the lefties dont get. You can not get people to do their job when they are going to be demonized for doing their job. Investing is not a 100% catagory. You do lose money. Sometimes you lose alot of it. But until you figure out how to build a better portfolio then I dont know hwat you do. Obama is pushing up the inflation rate with his money printing, so putting it in your matress wont work. I guess you could put in the bank, and hope that inflation is less than the intrest rate. It wont be, but you can hope. Please someone show us a better way because Id love to hear it.

Stop being so sarcastic, TO... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Stop being so sarcastic, TOhio.

Oh... I'm sorry.

Gallop says "Pre... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:
Oops. Here is the <a href=... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:
George, you're a moron for ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

George, you're a moron for believing the crap the Washington Times publishes. That entire editorial is based on an easily provable lie. The Gallup poll you link to is an odd one, as it measure approval on a five point scale:

Two new USA Today/Gallup measures of how Americans perceive President Obama confirm what his job approval ratings have been showing -- that he is well regarded and somewhat better reviewed at this early stage than the last Democrat to hold the office of president, Bill Clinton. Given five options for rating the kind of job Obama has done thus far, 56% say he has done an excellent or good job, and 79% say his performance has been at least "okay." Just 20% call it poor or terrible.

Washington Times liars go ahead and compare the 56% to other, dissimilar polls of previous presidents. If you compare those to Gallup's comparable poll, in which respondents indicate they "approve" or "disapprove," it's a different story.

I quote again:

As President Barack Obama concludes his first 100 days on the job, Gallup Poll Daily tracking for the week of April 20-26 finds 65% of Americans approving of how he is doing and only 29% disapproving.

USNWR's Robert Schlesinger points out WaTimes lies and provides the real numbers:

President ApproveDisapprove John F. Kennedy 83% 5% Dwight Eisenhower 73% 10% Ronald Reagan 68% 21% Barack Obama 65% 29% Jimmy Carter 63% 18% Richard Nixon 62% 15% George W. Bush 62% 29% George H.W. Bush 56% 22% Bill Clinton 55% 29%

All of that said, polls at 100 days mean next to nothing. But stop reading the Moonie Times; it makes you stupid(er).

mantis:e... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:

easily provable lie

Washington Times liars
points out WaTimes lies

You're sounding more and more like Lee Ward...

Obama gets an F- unless wer... (Below threshold)
914:

Obama gets an F- unless were recreating the USSR than he gets a B.

Liberal polls mean zilch.

Tea Party 2 the next chapter coming soon

"You're sounding more and m... (Below threshold)
max:

"You're sounding more and more like Lee Ward..."

Or DJ Drummond.

You're sounding more and... (Below threshold)
mantis:

You're sounding more and more like Lee Ward...

If the shoe fits.

Read again and tell me they aren't being willfully dishonest in their presentation of the poll numbers. Go ahead and try.

The Tea Parties were aga... (Below threshold)
Brian:

The Tea Parties were against wasteful spending. The left thinks taxes. Go figure. Their talking points say it so it must be so.

No, the protesters themselves say it. That's why it must be so. It sure didn't take you long to turn on your own, especially when they don't parrot the "right" message. Go figure.

u dem - "Which America ... (Below threshold)
marc:

u dem - "Which America is waking up? This one from 3 days ago?

Maybe it was this one from April 23-26, 2009.

""All in all, do you think things in the nation are generally headed in the right direction, or do you feel that things are off on the wrong track?"

Right 43% Wrong 43% Mixed 10%Unsure 4%

Looks like a wash doesn't it?

How about this one from April 22-26, 2009:

Right 41% Wrong 50% Unsure 9%

Pssst... special note to hyperbolist: Please note the date on this one. Looks familiar doesn't it?

Don't make the same mistake (or was it a lie?) again.

The One's arrogance is goin... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The One's arrogance is going to come back and bite him in the ass.

marc, you fucking idiot, I ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

marc, you fucking idiot, I was pointing out that the numbers are up vs. 2008. I wasn't saying that the one you cited was from last year. Learn how to read. And stop being so obsessed with anuses and poop, you dirty creep.

Everybody read comment #17. Some bedwetter is clamoring for an armed revolution--do other conservatives support this person's desire to kill American soldiers, or are they opposed to such insane rhetoric? I guess it only took 8 years after 9/11 for conservatives to stop pretending that they care about New Yorkers.

This whole thing is not abo... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

This whole thing is not about polls. We all know that polls can be manipulated to get the result you want so I don't pay that much attention to them particularly this early on. I think the problem I see with Obama is this annoying and troubling habit he and his administration has of calling out people who don't agree with them. I think it is unseemly and very insulting that he attempts to demonize and marginalize regular American citizens. He seems to find it important to portray these folks as outside the mainstream - right-wing extremists if you will. These protests weren't made up of anarchist lunatics prone to violence and vandalism - you had a cross section of Republicans, Democrats and Independents. How many arrests did we see at these gatherings? Was there vandalism or any kind of violence? No. But almost as soon as they happened he had advisors like David Axelrod going on news programs calling these protests unhealthy and unhelpful and that struck me as a very fascist attitude. Obviously dissent is no longer the highest form of patriotism. How quickly things change! I guess this is also a part of the whole Hope and Change thing.

Obama ignores and laughs off these people and their message at his peril.

G - "The only thing I c... (Below threshold)
marc:

G - "The only thing I care about lately is how soon before civil war can start. What LIBERAL action will finally start the new "Bunker Hill" shot heard round the world."

You're a blithering idiot and would be a discredit to whatever political party or Oprah focus group you claimed to be a member of.

Actually let me rethink that, you seem to be a perfect fit and match with someone this intellectual level.

Which in the end is still a blithering idiot.

But hey, you got that going for ya.

" I guess it only took 8... (Below threshold)
914:

" I guess it only took 8 years after 9/11 for conservatives to stop pretending they care about New Yorkers"

And Obama supporters 100 days and one fly over to do the same.

hyper - "Everybody read... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "Everybody read comment #17. Some bedwetter is clamoring for an armed revolution--do other conservatives support this person's desire to kill American soldiers, or are they opposed to such insane rhetoric? I guess it only took 8 years after 9/11 for conservatives to stop pretending that they care about New Yorkers."

Yeah that's the ticket, point to this single idiot in the thread and make a broad sweeping generalization about conservatives and NYC.

"Good" job, I guess we can assume you missed the posts here being critical of the presidential plane fiasco and support for NYorker's that were sent to the streets in panic.

I apologize for my bad temp... (Below threshold)
Hyperapologist:

I apologize for my bad temper. I'm just upset because I still have to go up several levels before I can even aspire to the heights of "blithering idiot".

hyper - "marc, you fuck... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "marc, you fucking idiot, I was pointing out that the numbers are up vs. 2008. I wasn't saying that the one you cited was from last year."

Thanks for pointing out my error, Sorry.

But how does the numbers going up mitigate the fact most people at best are unsure or think obama is on the wrong track with programs offered to date.

It was a New Dawn, a New Day, it was Hope and Change. But the "wrong track express" is still rolling along.

I think the problem I se... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I think the problem I see with Obama is this annoying and troubling habit he and his administration has of calling out people who don't agree with them. I think it is unseemly and very insulting that he attempts to demonize and marginalize regular American citizens. He seems to find it important to portray these folks as outside the mainstream

Yeah, it's almost like they call them "terrorist sympathizers" or "un-American" or somethin'.

Once You make it to the Whi... (Below threshold)
914:

Once You make it to the White House Your a shoe in Hyperapologist.

This section of Barry's spe... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

This section of Barry's speech is an astonishing non sequitur. He starts out talking about the tea parties, then talks about how he will cut health care costs, how he is making a "thorough audit" of federal spending, and how we can't go back to tax cuts for the wealthy.

It makes no sense.

Listening to this, one might think that the tea party demonstrators were out there holding up signs saying:
"Keep Health Care Costs High!!"
"Stop Auditing Federal Spending!!"
"Bring Back Tax Cuts for the Wealthy!!"

I do agree that the "Recovery Act . . . is just a fraction of the overall problem that we've got." It's just that the fraction is a huge fraction.

I see why he avoids going off the teleprompter.

Hey, where was the teleprom... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

Hey, where was the telepromtor. That must be why he said the things he did. He was talking without a net/script.

I want more pirate stories!!! Arrgh.

brian - "Yeah, it's alm... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "Yeah, it's almost like they call them "terrorist sympathizers" or "un-American" or somethin'."

And that changes what?

How does that mitigate the "annoying and troubling habit he and his administration has of calling out people who don't agree with them."

marcFunny how you ... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

marc

Funny how you didn't cite this part of the WSJ/NBC poll. I wonder why?

4a. In general, do you approve or disapprove of the job that Barack Obama is doing as president?

Approve 61%

Of course you're so obtuse and anally fixated you probably forgot the post was about President Obama. You wouldn't deliberately mislead us would you?

So it frequently comes down to this for the wingnuttery nation: If it's a poll we don't like, polls are inaccurate; if it's a poll we like, look look look - ala marc the anal fixator. (Were you not potty trained?)

How does that mitigate t... (Below threshold)
Brian:

How does that mitigate the "annoying and troubling habit he and his administration has of calling out people who don't agree with them."

It doesn't. But it does show you to be a disingenuous, babbling, whiner.

...is there an internet HAZ... (Below threshold)
ac halle:

...is there an internet HAZMAT unit around here somewheres?
Jesus Christ.

u dem - Funny how you d... (Below threshold)
marc:

u dem - Funny how you didn't cite this part of the WSJ/NBC poll. I wonder why?.....
"Of course you're so obtuse and anally fixated you probably forgot the post was about President Obama. You wouldn't deliberately mislead us would you?"

First of all you'll notice the linked report that carries many different polls doesn't include that question. I.E, not the entire poll. Funny how that works.

Secondly what I did highlight was a subset of the overall "approval" question.

And BTW, to you and hyper... you're wrong, I obsess over pu**y/pu**ies that's why I respond to you two.

Some[one] is clamoring f... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Some[one] is clamoring for an armed revolution--do other conservatives support this person's desire to kill American soldiers, or are they opposed to such insane rhetoric?

I don't agree with what was said, but I agree with the right to say it.

shame on Obama for ridiculing the ridiculous.

I share some of your ideas, but I grow weary of you deciding what's ridiculous and what isn't. Why do you insist on ridiculing what is important to some people? I attended our local tea party, and there were 2,500 attending in a town of less than 50,000. Now I know you're likely to dismiss that as what's expected from some hayseed town in Utah, but there's a bunch of little hayseed towns across America and it is undeniable -- as much as you care to assert the opposite -- that some thing has resonated across America. I won't speak for others who attended, but I know why I was there. I need relief from the burgeoning corporate tax, the second highest in the world. Eighty-percent of my product ships to Asia-Pacific and my competition manufactures in countries that recognize what we seem to have forgotten: That corporations provide jobs. I was there in a desperate hope that maybe my president would receive a message that I wanted to send:

"I can't compete unless you get the burden of government off my back. I can't cut anymore jobs. I can't ask my family to go another year without drawing a paycheck from a company I sweated to build, while you take more from me to give to others who haven't worked nearly as hard or risked nearly as much. If I don't get some relief, I will continue with my decision to create jobs in a country that has demonstrated that they welcome my presence."

I guess I got my answer.

brian - "It doesn't. Bu... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "It doesn't. But it does show you to be a disingenuous, babbling, whiner."

Well at least you admit it doesn't matter.

Now all you have to do is improve on not attempting to or having the appearance of pointing at bad behavior to justify other bad behavior.

I wish you luck.

IMPEACH OBAMA FOR TORTURE, ... (Below threshold)
tropicalgirl:

IMPEACH OBAMA FOR TORTURE, RENDITIONS AND DRONE BOMBS 2012! Here is a man who says he loves children, only his own. Others' children get bombed with white phosphorus at his direction.
He's a piece of crap like all the warmongers.
As a former democrat, current liberal, I SO SUPPORT THE TEA PARTIES. So what if Obama doesn't like it. He's a piece of crap moral coward.
I THINK THE TEA PARTIES WILL BRING HIM DOWN AND A LOT OF LIBERALS WHO DON'T LIKE BANKS STEALING OUR COUNTRY WILL SUPPORT IT. And the liberals are sick of Pelosi and would like to see ALL THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BROUGHT TO TRIAL. The law is crystal clear.

clay - "I was there in ... (Below threshold)
marc:

clay - "I was there in a desperate hope that maybe my president would receive a message that I wanted to send:"

He got the message but it apparently was filtered thru some focus group or other such nonsense and what's been regurgitated is what you see.

Dismissive, in many cases angry and mean-spirited and hateful (Janeane Graofalo anyone?).

Then you have the type on display in this very thread that constantly argue about it only being about taxes all evidence, video, spoken and written, to the contrary.

tropicalgirl- And another n... (Below threshold)
marc:

tropicalgirl- And another nut heard from. What pray-tell would the charges be tropicalgirl?

I agree with iwogdead, Barr... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I agree with iwogdead, Barry looks really bad in this clip. He is trying to make points by going after Fox News and the Tea Party's but his tie in is so not connected.

If you spend the huge amount Barry did, I wouldn't know what to say either.

"Mr. President, Iran is going after nuclear weapons. What can you do."

"I think by lowering cost of healthcare for most americans and not giving tax cuts to the wealthy because that was tried for eight years, we can now hope for change."

Can't wait for tonights show. ww

Then you have the type o... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Then you have the type on display in this very thread that constantly argue about it only being about taxes all evidence, video, spoken and written, to the contrary.

Uh, marc, did you happen to notice that the comment you were responding to was one in which Clay stated that the message he wanted to send by attending the tea party was that his taxes are too high?

We'll have to add "clueless" and "entertaining" to your other endearing attributes.

When you read this sort of ... (Below threshold)
john:

When you read this sort of trivial nonsense it's no wonder the GOP is being reduced to a Mormon Dixie rump. The people who attended these little gatherings wouldn't vote for Obama if he was the last man in America so the faux outrage is a bit of a stretch. This guy's approvals are in the low to high sixties, his likeability is in the seventies and eighties. I think he's going to survive without the teaparty crowd or the haters who mainly post here.
depp=true

"This massive tea party pro... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"This massive tea party protest really got in his craw. Don't believe it when others say he didn't know about the protests. He knew. And he didn't like it one bit."

The One, besides his arrogance, has a very thin skin.

Hey Barry! FUCK YOU!

hyperbolist, Enough ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

hyperbolist,
Enough of you broad brushing every conservative
with your accusations.
Fight or disagree one on one, the broad brushing
has grown old and wearisome.
Or would you like a shovel too?

Clay, I'm glad that you had... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Clay, I'm glad that you had some success with the tea party. Seriously. But when millions of liberals, conservatives, and independently minded people protested the invasion of Iraq, what happened? They were ridiculed as being hippies. And invading and subsequently occupying a sovereign country is a much bigger deal than inflating a budget and raising taxes on the highest bracket.

And the ridiculousness is Fox News pretending to be a news media organization when in fact they did more to spread awareness and encourage participation in the tea parties than any "grass roots" campaign, rather than simply report on them. But I don't think you would disagree.

marc: I think TropicalGirl is Spurwing Plover's cousin. She seems like a lot of fun.

"I can't compete unless ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"I can't compete unless you get the burden of government off my back. I can't cut anymore jobs. I can't ask my family to go another year without drawing a paycheck from a company I sweated to build, while you take more from me to give to others who haven't worked nearly as hard or risked nearly as much. If I don't get some relief, I will continue with my decision to create jobs in a country that has demonstrated that they welcome my presence."

"I guess I got my answer."

Clay's right again. That's one of many complaints articulated in these tea parties. But some of you keep pretending that the many legitimate complaints don't exist. Keep focusing on the guy who wasn't good at articulating his complaints. Obama, too, has once again shown how little class he has in denigrating ordinary people. Yet you defend this.

Imagine if Bush had stood up and said, "All these folks at the demonstration waving their little peace signs..." Some of you would have wet yourselves over it.

Keep yukking it up.

"They were ridiculed as ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"They were ridiculed as being hippies."

Not by the President. Not ridiculed at all.

Hyper always misses the poi... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper always misses the point. He tries to quickly to put conservative down that he misses the topic. GW Bush would never bad mouth the MANY hateful protesters. He would say, hey, they can voice their opinion. It isn't what I think, but that is what a free democracy is all about. Now that is class. Barry is crass. ww

Barry is crass.... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Barry is crass.

Yeah, that's exactly the point. The tea parties were legal, non-violent expressions of disagreements with Barry's policies. These disagreements are not insubstantial. The participants were assembling and petitioning the government for a redress of grievances. As a great and really smart Constitutional professor-type person whose wife has great arms, Barry should have recognized that as part of the First Amendment and honored that disagreement as part of our Constitutional system.

No such luck.

brian - "Uh, marc, did ... (Below threshold)
marc:

brian - "Uh, marc, did you happen to notice that the comment you were responding to was one in which Clay stated that the message he wanted to send by attending the tea party was that his taxes are too high?"

Why yes, yes I did.

Which proves I'm far more observant than you as you seem to have assumed something (that Clay is only concerned about high taxes and nothing else) you can't possibly know.

Bet if you ask nice he has concerns about expanded gov, and budget shortfalls as far as the eye can see.

And for the record YOU and a couple others are "the type on display in this very thread that constantly argue about it only being about taxes all evidence, video, spoken and written to the contrary."

You don't like it tough it out big guy.

No one said the protests we... (Below threshold)
Brian:

No one said the protests were "only" about high taxes, meatball. And I didn't claim Clay was "only" concerned about high taxes. So please show us the "record" where I "constantly argue about it only being about taxes".

Meanwhile, many on the right falsely claim it is not about taxes.

You've inserted so many straws into your argument you should be able to breathe just fine buried under your mountain of bullsh-t.

hyper - "And the ridicu... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "And the ridiculousness is Fox News pretending to be a news media organization when in fact they did more to spread awareness and encourage participation in the tea parties than any "grass roots" campaign, rather than simply report on them. But I don't think you would disagree"

Always come back to that "evil" fox doesn't it?

Considering obama's buddy/friend/pal Axelrod was not only the master of astroturfing, but invented the practice I'd suggest you email him and learn about it from the recognized master.

That said, how is what Fox did any different than CNN pimping "100 days," or NBC's almost non-stop Green is Universal Campaign, or maybe when the same network turned off studio lights during the 2007 NFL pre-game, post-game and half-game shows to kick off their "Green is Universal," crapola.

Obama is turning out to be ... (Below threshold)

Obama is turning out to be such an incompetent bumblef*ck, it's like every couple of days he finds another rake to step on. The best thing for him to do would have been just to ignore the tea parties or, when asked, say something like, "hey, this is America and we have the right to free speech here". But no, he's got to lash out at them like he did Rush Limbaugh, which was yet another unforced error. These brouhahas tell us two things: (1) Obama, like all leftists, has zero tolerance for dissent of any kind, and (2) he is incredibly thin-skinned, and stuff like this gets to him easily. But I think we already knew that.

The only reason his Keystone Kops administration is not in total free-fall is because the fawning MSM has got his back and also, the GOP is even more incompetent, if you can believe that (yes, I can!) If I were Michael Steele, I would be putting videos up on Youtube illustrating Obama's utter lack of intellgence every day of the week. But, alas, we do not live in a perfect world.

It's interesting he would m... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

It's interesting he would mimic the waving of a teabag, when there's already several things on the table for disarming Americans such as it is in the U.K.

His reactionary speech suggests that he's swiping at the stations that "don't like him". See how easy it is for one man's ego to be played in the media? If he hears a bad word about himself, he's going to take it personal.

tropicalgirl- And another nut heard from. What pray-tell would the charges be tropicalgirl?

That would depend on what the investigations show, and what the impending World Court has to say. U.S. is long gone as a sovereign union, so we will be subject to these laws. Already, the G-20 is looking to a World Intellectual Property Litigation Court, to be put in place by 2012.
G20 Envisions World IP Court; WIPO Hopeful Host
http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/04/01/g20-envisions-world-ip-court-wipo-hopeful-host/

The same type of judicial system probably isn't too far behind for handling war crimes and crimes against humanity. But first, the introduction of the Property Litigation Court to get some guidelines in place:

A WIPO person said, "The World Intellectual Property Organization welcomes the adoption of this proposal as a recognition of the need to balance the requirements of least-developed litigation nations (the "LDL" group) with the fair treatment of intellectual property owners and creators, having regard to the organisation's development programme and the need to preserve the organisation's prerogatives from unwarranted encroachments by the World Trade Organization."


They were ridiculed as b... (Below threshold)
Clay:

They were ridiculed as being hippies.

And your answer is to ridicule those who assemble for a cause with which you don't agree? In what form of rationality does that occur?

And the ridiculousness is Fox News pretending to be a news media organization

I don't watch Fox, HB. They're irrelevant in my world. But, you obviously pay much attention to them since you are so aware of what they're reporting. In fact, you seem to know an inordinate amount about them. Interesting, that.

But, hey. How about all the media outlets that dismissed the tea parties as insignificant? Wasn't their message equally clear? And what about a president that is so out of touch that he claims before the fact that he knows nothing about the events, and then derides them afterwards?

You're an intellient guy, HB. I know that. But, you obviously are not viewing this objectively. And neither is the president.

That's one of many complaints articulated in these tea parties. But some of you keep pretending that the many legitimate complaints don't exist.

Correct. There were many messages that were being communicated at the tea parties. I happen to be one that doesn't shy away from my protest of punitive taxation. I see excessive taxes and exorbitant government spending are two sides of the same coin. Both are costing our global competitiveness. Obama will be reaping a bitter harvest of hyper-inflation, unprecedented unemployment, and an even more lopsided taxpayor burden.

Ignore me at your own peril. I canot be the only business owner who has made the decision to pull up stakes in the name of survival. The only question is how many of us are there. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor the inclination to investigate. For me he question is moot.

The last tea party was on T... (Below threshold)
bigfoot:

The last tea party was on Tax Day - that's April 15 for you lefties who don't pay any. That's why the theme was taxes. On July 4 there will be another one. Wanna guess what the theme of that one will be?
By then the Weasel's poll numbers will be on a sleigh ride to the center of the earth, lower than Nemo's teabags.

Hyper always misses the ... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Hyper always misses the point.

You know, Willie, that's just not true. Hyper, mantis, bryanD, Brian, and the other trolls, as they are unfortunately called, all povide a needed counter-perspective. The posts that we all reagrd as 'good' are those that have the tension of opposing views in attendance. Each of them have made me stop and think on numerous occassions and I, for one, would cease 'stopping by' if their voices were absent. Of course, that would please some of you immensely, so perhaps I wouldn't regardless. Maybe I'm a troll. If so, I consider myself in good company.

The point I've tried to make so often is that if we all don't start shedding the constraints of our narrow ideologies and begin to think rationally about the issues, we are doomed as a nation. I've demonstrated my own narrow-mindedness more than I care to confess, but clearly, the president demonstrated his own today. Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that and move on?

Thanks, Clay. But I think y... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Thanks, Clay. But I think your stance is about to be put to the test, as I detect a number of my previous comments mysteriously being purged by someone less open than you.
depp=true
notiz=They'll continue to disappear.

Clay,"The posts th... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Clay,

"The posts that we all reagrd as 'good' are those that have the tension of opposing views in attendance. Each of them have made me stop and think on numerous occassions and I, for one, would cease 'stopping by' if their voices were absent."

I have a lot of respect for you for writing that, Clay.

"The point I've tried to make so often is that if we all don't start shedding the constraints of our narrow ideologies and begin to think rationally about the issues, we are doomed as a nation."

Very well stated. I completely agree.

Right out of the Saul Alins... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook...
It's denigrate, then destroy all the time with him, none of that bullshit propaganda he was so fond of saying during the election how he was going to "bring together" the country. Funny how that has a way of blowing back on him so often.

Brian, Your banning... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Brian,
Your banning was going to be temporary,
now it's going to be permanent.
I am keeping a list of the proxies you're
using to now spam Wizbang.
Do you need a shovel?

Wow! You all seem to be hu... (Below threshold)
roadrunner:

Wow! You all seem to be hung up on Polls. I didn't think that anyone believed those anymore. Evidently I was wrong. I just believe what I know and what I know is that left wing poll takers will always slant the results to make themselves and the majority feel good. I really don't know who gives feedback to these surveys, but in my 68 years, no one has ever asked me how I feel who was doing one of these. And, as far as I'm concerned, if they haven't asked me or any of my friends, their results are flawed. So let's just go with that and assume that left wingers will always quote the poles when those results support them, and condemn the rest of us when they get their hand caught in the Cookie Jar. To my conservative friends, there is some justice in all of this. After Obama gets done screwing us all and taking our money and holding us all responsible for the failure of a few and criminal actions of some in Congress, the White House and Businesses and Banks, this country will be in the dirt and all those who support him now will be on their knees looking up at you and asking, "What happened?" Then you can look down on them with a smile and say, "Don't you know even now?"

Brian,I'm sorry to... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Brian,

I'm sorry to see you go - Involuntarily or otherwise. However, we sometimes forget that our right to speak doesn't trump another's right to not listen. This is not a public forum in the purest sense.

I'll continue to speak my mind here, and if it gets me banned, so be it. But, I hope I don't act like a child and protest maggie's right to ban me.

Clay, I don't have ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Clay,
I don't have a problem with brian or anyone
else 'speaking' their mind. Brian was out of
line, out of control and needed to chill out.
His disrespect of keeping his distance after
being denied access to Wizbang was the tipping
point.

Tea parties were not huge. ... (Below threshold)
I. Gotta Haddock:

Tea parties were not huge. Rarely more than 100s. Most of protestors barely realized that they'll be the recipients of tax breaks, while we return to a more equitable tax of the Reagan years on the super rich. It's OK to be concerned about big spending, but important to know it was the big spending of WWII that pulled us out of the last great financial debacle.

Pretty much everything that... (Below threshold)

Pretty much everything that "I Gotta Haddock" said above is, basically, a lie.

You have no disagreement fr... (Below threshold)
Clay:

You have no disagreement from me, maggie. As i stated earlier, my right to speak doesn't supercede your right to not listen. And Wizbang, not being a purely public forum, can reserve the right to ban whoever it wills. We could all get along if we only remembered that.

Everything that "I G... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Everything that "I Gotta Haddock" said above is a lie.

Fixed it for you.

Thanks to those that got my... (Below threshold)
G.:

Thanks to those that got my RANT removed from this thread. I think it *was* #17. I said I was in a bad mood. I was being a "blithering idiot" for "marc's" pleasure. you're welcome marc, ya cute little pussy boy you. back atcha, babe. Fucking crybaby.
Hyperbolist go fuck off-please??? Liberals from NYC were different on 9/12/2001 as we all were, didn't take long for all of them to start up again with the usual bull-shit. You all have yet to get over the 2000 presidential election. Alphonse LOST! Lost not stolen- LOST! get over it.

Revolution is not necessarily a bad thing nor civil war for that matter. It is a better choice than the Orwellian future Liberals have in store for this country. To conservatives who were offended by my comments, I apologise. To liberals whom I wanted to go to war with yesterday,c'est la vie or c'est la guerre. :-)

By the way I said NOTHING a... (Below threshold)
G.:

By the way I said NOTHING about killing American soldiers!!!!?????

Pretty much everyt... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Pretty much everything that "I Gotta Haddock" said above is, basically, a lie.

Yeah, what you guys said. About 99.99 repeating of it was misinformation. Maybe haddock got lost and thought he was posting on an Obama blog.

Brian, Wizbang has a contact link.

Wow. Looks like I missed a... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Wow. Looks like I missed a weird and interesting rant, and got a recap. That's what happens when I stay up too late. Ah, well.

Brian, seriously...smilies ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Brian, seriously...smilies or no, a link is a link, all you do is title your e-mail: attn: maggie. I used it to contact Jay Tea with some info when he was blogging here.

G., when you talk about a r... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

G., when you talk about a revolution, you imply that people would be taking up arms against the government. The government would use soldiers to defend itself and its citizenry; and so, by participating in a revolution against Barack Obama, you would be putting yourself in a situation where you would have to kill an awful lot of American soldiers and police officers to have any chance at victory.

Much as you might fantasize about shooting liberals who want to raise your psychiatrist's taxes, you need to keep in mind that liberals would be defended by the armed forces, who would side with the government against the anti-tax terrorists.

As for what Haddock said, it was massive public spending that pulled America out of the Great Depression. Not like FDR had any choice by that point, but hey, it worked wonders for the middle class.

Clay: thanks. It boggles the mind that some people would prefer a forum of only like-minded individuals. The Free Republic is that-a-way, chumps! And yes, I do think that Obama would do well to either ignore or applaud the Tea Party protesters. It's a small minority, so it's not like there is some risk to his presidency or the Democratic Party if he were to acknowledge their existence respectfully. And obviously I was wrong to suggest that the disdain heaped upon the millions of anti-war protesters somehow makes it alright to publicly scoff at the Tea Party protesters. Dissent is patriotic, and it's fun, so have at.

Revolution is not necess... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Revolution is not necessarily a bad thing nor civil war for that matter.

No. Revolution per se is not a bad thing. But, it can be very dangerous if it isn't based on a sound ideological basis. Currently, I see a very ignorant and poorly educated populace who would be capable of little more than a French Revolution. The intellectual engine that was the American Revolution was fueled by the concepts of individual liberty first, and only after that philosophy was widely accepted did it become a physical battle. A call to arms at this point in history would meet with disastrous results. Education -- for yourself first, and then your family and community -- must precede activism.

Are you able to trace the philosophical genealogy of this country's founding? Can you articulate the ideological difference between the views of Jefferson and Hamilton? Do you understand the integral nature of private property to individual liberty? If you cannot provide cogent answers to these questions, you are fool to be discussing revolution. And anyone who would follow is of the same intelligence.

It is a better choice than the Orwellian future Liberals have in store for this country

And I would submit that it is quite likely that you don't understand the concept. It isn't enough to state that you do not like big government. One must be prepared to articulate how the size of government is directly proportional to the encroachment on individual rights.

America as a whole is intellectually stunted in comparison to the contemporaries of its founding. A clear example would be to ask any ideological constrained (i.e. die-hard Republicans or Democrats or party-bots, as I call them) to compare the intellectual depth of Obama to Bush. If they rate one higher than the other...beware.

millions of others? i don't... (Below threshold)
jarrod:

millions of others? i don't even think a million people have attended tea parties.

As for what Haddock said... (Below threshold)
Clay:

As for what Haddock said, it was massive public spending that pulled America out of the Great Depression.

Bullshit. Just simply bullshit.

Libertarians have long argued that it was not laissez faire that caused the 1929 stock-market crash and the Depression that followed but rather a series of government interventions, most especially the Federal Reserve's irresponsible inflationary monetary policy and the outrageously high protectionist tariffs of the Republican administrations in the 1920s. Herbert Hoover, in fact, was a much more interventionist executive than the conventional accounts recognize. Murray Rothbard's classic work, America's Great Depression, is probably the best treatment on how big-government policies on Hoover's watch brought on and then exacerbated the calamity.

In Depression, War, and Cold War: Studies in Political Economy, Robert Higgs has focused on another, equally important matter: Why did the Great Depression last as long as it did? The uninitiated man will often credit the New Deal for ending the Depression, but in fact, as any mainstream economic historian is compelled to concede, the economy remained sour until at least the end of the '30s. Why did America suffer for a decade or more, especially with a New Dealer in charge?

Higgs's answer is simpley because a New Dealer was in charge. In the first chapter, describing what the author has aptly called "Regime Uncertainty", Higgs explains with meticulously gathered evidence that the erosion of property rights under the New Deal resulted in an environment where businessmen and investors were unsure of what to expect, and so abstained from investment (a very chilling parallel to what is occurring now). Higgs writes, "For the eleven years from 1930 to 1940, net private investment totaled minus $3.1 billion. Only in 1941 did net private investment ($9.7 billion) exceed the 1929 amount."

Higgs offers evidence of investors expressing their fears that the New Deal might destroy free enterprise and with it their invested capital. Surveying such policies as antitrust, tax law, and labor regulation, Higgs shows that while "Roosevelt, we now know, never became a dictator along the lines of his contemporaries Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler ... the possibility that the United States might undergo an extreme regime shift seemed to many investors in the late 1930s and early 1940s not only possible, but likely."

So the New Deal was far from a success. But most conservatives and even many leftist scholars will concede this. But, then they simply adopt a different, and even more widely accepted fallacy, the one of "war prosperity", which is another story indeed, and one that continues to plunge us into insane war after insane war.

Hyperbolist, what part of f... (Below threshold)
G.:

Hyperbolist, what part of fuck offffff did you not understand????
This is not China and to say that the U.S Military would fire on the populace as happened in China is something I don't believe would happen. I wouldn't want to be the Liberal leader that would give such an order nor the officer that would carry it out. But that remains to be seen. I believe that on the whole the US military is more inclined to be on the right politically. I suppose a coup d'état by military leaders might happen first.
Clay, please, hahaha. Who are you trying to impress??
Next you'll be trying to convince us the revolution was thought and fought by "intellectuals" only.

"And I would submit that it is quite likely that you don't understand the concept."
You people are all the same. Why do I need to articulate to you anything about anything. I take it you view yourself as a superior ineffectual to anyone(I agree), so anything I say back to you will only result in a useless mundane run around like a dog chasing his/her tail.
I have better easier chase for you. Kiss my superior ass and think whatever you will.

Oh, this is too easy, Bush was better.

I wouldn't want to be th... (Below threshold)
Clay:

I wouldn't want to be the Liberal leader that would give such an order nor the officer that would carry it out.

Jeffrey Glen Miller, Allison Krause, William Knox Schroeder, and Sandra Lee Scheuer would probably be happy to give you a warning, but they aren't available for comment right now.

clay,<a href="http:/... (Below threshold)
G.:

clay,
http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0612g.asp
Are you claiming the above as your own??
Are you Anthony Gregory?
You wouldn't be plagiarizing would you??/

Jeffrey Glen Miller, Alliso... (Below threshold)
G.:

Jeffrey Glen Miller, Allison Krause, William Knox Schroeder, and Sandra Lee Scheuer would probably be happy to give you a warning, but they aren't available for comment right now.

True they aren't, I remember.
But what we are talking about is vastly different.

Soldiers are loyal to their... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Soldiers are loyal to their commander. Their commander happens to be a liberal President. A childish-yet-violent attempt at overthrowing the big meanie gubermint would be put down with as much force as would be necessary. Suggesting that the soldiers would defect to fight alongside the likes of you is an insult to the armed forces.

Do you really equate yourself with the protesters in Tiananmen Square, by suggesting that the military would be on par with the Red Chinese for maintaining law and order in your prosperous country? Obama is not Chairman Mao, and you are not that guy with a briefcase staring down a tank. You're a whiner on the internet.

This isn't a place where you telling someone to FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF means they've either got to do that or suffer your cheeseburger halitosis at an even more offensive proximity. I get to point out that you're an ignoramus who logically committed himself to the position that high taxes is moral justification for a conflict that would involve killing American soldiers; and you get to sit there with shit all over your face.

Well,Clay, I haven't heard ... (Below threshold)
G.:

Well,Clay, I haven't heard anything back so I'll assume you plagiarized all of this above:

"Libertarians have long argued that it was not laissez faire that caused the 1929 stock-market crash and the Depression that followed but rather a series of government interventions, most especially the Federal Reserve's irresponsible inflationary monetary policy and the outrageously high protectionist tariffs of the Republican administrations in the 1920s. Herbert Hoover, in fact, was a much more interventionist executive than the conventional accounts recognize. Murray Rothbard's classic work, America's Great Depression, is probably the best treatment on how big-government policies on Hoover's watch brought on and then exacerbated the calamity.

In Depression, War, and Cold War: Studies in Political Economy, Robert Higgs has focused on another, equally important matter: Why did the Great Depression last as long as it did? The uninitiated man will often credit the New Deal for ending the Depression, but in fact, as any mainstream economic historian is compelled to concede, the economy remained sour until at least the end of the '30s. Why did America suffer for a decade or more, especially with a New Dealer in charge?

Higgs's answer is simpley because a New Dealer was in charge. In the first chapter, describing what the author has aptly called "Regime Uncertainty", Higgs explains with meticulously gathered evidence that the erosion of property rights under the New Deal resulted in an environment where businessmen and investors were unsure of what to expect, and so abstained from investment (a very chilling parallel to what is occurring now). Higgs writes, "For the eleven years from 1930 to 1940, net private investment totaled minus $3.1 billion. Only in 1941 did net private investment ($9.7 billion) exceed the 1929 amount."

Higgs offers evidence of investors expressing their fears that the New Deal might destroy free enterprise and with it their invested capital. Surveying such policies as antitrust, tax law, and labor regulation, Higgs shows that while "Roosevelt, we now know, never became a dictator along the lines of his contemporaries Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler ... the possibility that the United States might undergo an extreme regime shift seemed to many investors in the late 1930s and early 1940s not only possible, but likely."

So the New Deal was far from a success. But most conservatives and even many leftist scholars will concede this. But, then they simply adopt a different, and even more widely accepted fallacy, the one of "war prosperity", which is another story indeed, and one that continues to plunge us into insane war after insane war."

Bullshit, simply Bullshit.

I said nothing about... (Below threshold)
G.:


I said nothing about high taxes Hypo, just a desire at the time to enjoin Liberals on the battlefield. Are you a veteran?
Childish attempt?
One like it overthrew the mightiest kingdom on earth at one time.
I believe it, started with a tea party.
You're right I am a whiner.
A very nice Pino Grigio at the moment. :-)
But,I've gotten under your skin. :-)
Poor Baby.

I'll be back I must go see ... (Below threshold)
G.:

I'll be back I must go see if our friend "clay" is plagiarizing elsewhere.




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