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Specter Defection A Good Thing

It may take several weeks or months to get the real story on the defection of Arlen Specter to the Democrat Party. One question about the behind the scenes negotiations may be what motivated Specter to make such a public spectacle of his decision to vote against cloture on the EFCA a month or so ago. Was this actually a negotiating tactic given that the senator, as Lori mentions below, was on the phone with Vice President Biden discussing political dissembling for the past three months? Perhaps. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where Specter does not flip flop on the EFCA prior to the primary because the unions would seemingly not gamble on such an important piece of legislation by not attacking Specter in a primary.

But the broader perspective remains that the Specter defection is a good thing for conservatives. (Note that I said conservatives, not Republicans.) Conservative governing principles have not been served well in the Congress or the Executive when Republicans try to emulate Democrats. The loss of Congress in 2006 was the end result of the futility of hybrid political philosophies in action. Conservatives routinely confront two inherent obstacles to the attainment of a long term ruling majority: first, conservatism by its very nature is not a centralizing, governing political philosophy; second, conservatives are not as good at the business of politics as liberals because liberals organize around a core belief in centralized power. The founder's concept of a citizen legislator that lived primarily in the private sector and governed only part time is one of the tenets of classical liberal and modern conservative thinking.

Because of these fundamental differences between liberals and conservatives, conservatives have more often found a home in the Republican Party; however, Republicans, as a rule, have not always been welcome in conservative movements. The exodus from the long wilderness period that conservatives were led from by Mr. Buckley was accomplished by intellectual leadership followed by political organizing. Buckley laid the intellectual foundations that allowed conservatives to divorce themselves from the inimical influences that held the movement back: the Birchers and the "country club" elitists.

There is only one way for conservatives to regain power in the current political economy and that is to return to fundamental principles by purging the party of its pretenders. The Specter defection is a good start. As I noted during the stimulus debate, principled opposition to the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda was a good first step. The recent Tea Party demonstrations have been a very effective opposition for conservatives and classical liberals to organize around. As Bill Kristol noted, the political calculus at work now is that Obama owns all of the first One Hundred Days and its consequences.

(Obama will be) responsible for everything. GOP obstructionism will go away as an issue, and Democratic defections will become the constant worry and story line. This will make it easier for GOP candidates in 2010 to ask to be elected to help restore some checks and balance in Washington -- and, meanwhile, Specter's party change won't likely have made much difference in getting key legislation passed or not. So, losing Specter may help produce greater GOP gains in November 2010, and a brighter Republican future.

One consequence will certainly be an up surge in inflation, massive deficits and massive borrowing on a scale never seen before. Voters will eventually acknowledge this by turning out politicians, many of whom will be Democrats.


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Right, just like the electi... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Right, just like the election of President Obama with big majorities for the DNC in the House and Senate was a good thing. Get real. For one thing, the GOP cannot stop the God aweful judicial appointments that Obama will make. We'll have a huge number of judges like Justice Ginsberg on the Federal bench for life, and no way to get rid of them. For another thing, Obama won't have to worry about getting crooks and cheats in his cabinet passed the Senate. And you can forget about stalling the big DNC payoffs: health care "reform" and the card check system. And the State control of business and industry will continue unabated. Stick a fork in it, kids, we're done.

The country, as we know it, may not survive this. Hmmm. Time to buy a one-way ticket to Costa Rica.

Don't let the door hit you ... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Oh, and leave your Medicare and Social Security entitlements behind.

As for the post itself I have to say I always fascinated by the arguments of conservatives that the Republican party needs to become more conservative. The party is becoming a party of white southerners and religious fundamentalists. How do you think that's going to work for you? You've lost the northeast and the west for all practical intents, the midwest isn't doing so well for you either. Whether true or not the Republican party, once the paragon of freedom in this country, looks more and more intolerant. They have no leaders, no ideas and little or no appeal to the voters who make the difference - independent moderates.

So I say keep on saying the Republican party has to get even more conservative and we'll end up with just one party. And even i think that would be a terrible idea.

It was really the Club for ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

It was really the Club for Growth/ wingnuts who pushed out Specter with their primary candidate, Pat Tooney expected to easily defeat Specter in the 2010 Republican primary.

The Club for Growth even wanted to purge Hucklebee in the 2008 presidential race, calling him "tax-increasing liberal governor of Arkansas". Hucklebee returned the favor calling them 'the Club for Greed'.

The Club of Growth 'low tax/limited government' president Chris Chocola, ex- Republican congressman said in October 2000. "Bush's plan of individual investment of 2 percent of the money is a start. Eventually, I'd like to see the entire Social Security system privatized. It's not a 'risky scheme'"..that sounds like a vote winner to me, where do I join up?


Good luck Hugh, with your tacit support of the wingnut purge of 'liberal pretenders in the GOP; RINO, Republicans in name only. It sounds very Jacobean to me. But be careful you might even face the tribunal yourself, for your support of Hillary Clinton against Obama in the Democract primary.

The problem with the party ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

The problem with the party is not having principle positions on subjects and debating them so that they can distinguish themselves from the other party.
During the Bush we had six years of moderate republicans who took the additional revenues that came into the treasury via the Bush Tax cuts and loaded themselves up with pork. We had expansion of the Federal government through no Child Left Behind and huge unfunded mandates such as Prescription drug benefits. The democrat reactions was they wanted to spend more money. It got to the point that even when Republicans where out of power in the house and the Senate most people thought they were there. Finally we ran a moderate against Obama just like people wanted and guess what he lost. The reaction of moderates well we should have run a more moderate person.
No
We need to return back to limited government, less government spending, programs and inrerferi9ance in people lives. Then we can reduces taxes as the government will be able to do its job.
People need something to vote for! A me too candidate does not work. We need to clear the chaff from the party and Snow and McCain can leave also. They won't though because if they left they would just become another moderate Democrat and loose there Media Status symbol.
At this point
"Lead, follow, or get out of the way."

Let me get this straight, t... (Below threshold)
John Mertens:

Let me get this straight, the RNC, or at least a very wealthy group of plastic fingered conservatives who call the shots, try to unseat Specter because he voted for the stimulus, and he wasn't conservative enough. They did this by funding and running Pat Toony to his right in PA who was ahead like 20 points in the polls because PA has a closed primary. Now many republicans are calling Specter the turn coat for switching parties when it was them trying to unseat him in the first place for party purity, or some stupid BS like that. Un-frickin'-believable! The only thing Republicans really have right now is the check and balance argument. But we could swing left for years and still not be close to center, so don't worry yourself too much.

Yeah, get down to that hard... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Yeah, get down to that hard-core 25% base and you'll be all set.

Michelle Bachmann for President!

Somehow Hugh, my vision was... (Below threshold)
epador:

Somehow Hugh, my vision was of the Far Side cartoon of the dying cowboy, full of arrows and leaning against the covered wagon saying to his friend "But its a good kind of hurt..."

Only this ain't a cartoon, as much as the past and current administrations of the last decade or so (all three of them) seem to make reality. Its just as if we've gone from Day by Day to Doonesbury to Ted Rall. Eccch.

Rush Limbaugh next to defec... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Rush Limbaugh next to defect? Gun enthusiasts are unhappy with him:

http://www.wlfa.org/Page.aspx?pid=1972

Learn to fight like the lib... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

Learn to fight like the liberals do or we will continue to lose ground. I'm not saying conservatives should more like them, but should fight for every position the way they do.

I keep reading and hearing conservatives going on about the next election. This will be a long process and we need to think much more long term than that.

President Bush never defended himself in the media. That set the tone for the rest of the party. "Don't respond our they'll call you mean spirited". And so the democrats and their liberal base use that sort of thing against us. They already hate us. So, why should we care what they say about us. Just read some of the post on this blog by lefties who's party is in power. Why are they here if they are doing so well? Do they just like to kick someone while they're down? Or, do they realize that they're party is full of it and don't want that message to have any legs?

If you want it, FIGHT for it!

LOL @ hcddbz...yeah just do... (Below threshold)
John Mertens:

LOL @ hcddbz...yeah just do more of what got the republican party where they are now. That's a great idea. Part purification will only shrink the base even further reducing republicans to a mere trace element.

Good post, Hugh. I agree c... (Below threshold)
George Author Profile Page:

Good post, Hugh. I agree completely.

kevino makes a good point that, while this may be good for conservatives in the long run, let's hope Obama doesn't destroy the country in the interim.

John M., you seem to have forgotten the premise of your argument. You point at the conservatives who sought to oust Specter as the problem while actually mentioning the real treason: Specter's vote that allowed Obama's $trillions of spending.

Spector was supported by Republicans and President George W. Bush, no less, in his last bid for senator. He took that support and threw it in their faces with his switch to support the unfunded Obama Socialist Plan.

Specter's days as a senator are numbered. He wouldn't be elected as a Republican; he won't be elected as a Democrat.

"Why are they here.....?</p... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

"Why are they here.....?

Cause it's so much fun!!

Arlen, Phil who cares Barry... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Arlen, Phil who cares Barry, you can have all of them.

Unrepentant Democrat,... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Unrepentant Democrat,

Kicking someone while they're down is fun?
What is done to others can be done to you too.
Pointy stick and all that.

maggieYou fellow r... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

maggie

You fellow righties did it for 8 years and laughed the whole time....go figure. So spare us the sanctimony please.

Kinda fits with that 2nd sentence of yours don't you think?

I would argue that Specter'... (Below threshold)
James H:

I would argue that Specter's departure is not good for conservatives OR Republicans. It's all well and good to enforce political homogeneity in the ranks, but when it comes time to govern -- that is, to attain a majority and to hold power -- you need a coalition. "Coalition" means tolerating at least mild apostasy from some of your governing partners. Regrettably, Republicans possess little of that tolerance today.

Oh, but Maggie - things ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oh, but Maggie - things NEVER go in cycles in politics...

Until they do.

John Mertens <block... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

John Mertens

yeah just do more of what got the republican party where they are now. That's a great idea. Part purification will only shrink the base even further reducing republicans to a mere trace element.

A party needs a platform. It needs representatives that reflect their views. The base does not like where the party is heading. We need men and women who are willing to articulate and fight toe to toe with liberal democrats. We need people to express our ideals. It is time to get Biblical Be ye hot or Cold but if you are lukewarm I will spit you out. It is time to get rid of them and start to elect people who represents our core issues. People, who will stand on principles and not back down.

We will grow the party by We will grow the party by getting the right people in the party.

Gee, you're delusional! Al... (Below threshold)

Gee, you're delusional! All other things being equal (no sex scandals, both candidates run competent campaigns, etc.) there is NO way 'pure' conservatives can win a majority of seats in either the Senate or the House.

Unless conservatives want to spend the next 40 years wandering in the desert, they will have to accept that gaining power - and with it, the ability to do more than just b***h about the other side - is going to require welcoming the less pure into the ranks of the GOP and not only throwing them an occasional bone but agreeing to not go after them in primary contests.

It's pretty simple: conservatives can accept the Specters, Chafees and McCains and get 60% of what they'd like or they can purge the mudbloods and end up with zero. Only a stupid conservative would pick the latter.

OIC UD, Two wrongs ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

OIC UD,
Two wrongs always make a right. Right?
And some of those pointy sticks have two
sharp ends, and swing like a pendulum.
So take your self righteous sanctimony in
kicking others when they're down and remember
we didn't all laugh or kick the opposition when
they were in the wilderness.

JLawson, Heh... (Below threshold)
maggie:

JLawson,
Heh

First off, as usual you hav... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

First off, as usual you have to school an extreme left liberal. Unrepentant Democrat does not know that the congress was republican for 6 years, not eight.

Secondly, Clinton lost congress after two years.

Thirdly, Steve Sturm, todays idiot, does not realize we ran a moderate in the last election, see where it got us? You are too uneducated to understand. ww

Me thinks you protest way t... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Me thinks you protest way too much. Time to man up, or should I say girl up maggie. Maybe you all didn't laugh and kick but many many did.

And yes politics is cyclical and it's mean and nasty. Can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I have no doubt republicans will be back. I just doubt they'll be back the way you far righties would like them to be.

ww - did Bush change partie... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

ww - did Bush change parties the last 2 years? I must have missed that. Idiot.

UD, I hope you have a good ... (Below threshold)
maggie:

UD, I hope you have a good chiropractor. From
the heavy lifting of moving goal posts so many
times.
As to the heat, I wear kevlar and have very
thick skin. ;)
And you did not answer my question of wrongs
being right. But that's okay, it's understandable
as when it comes to a line in the sand, you have
no idea of standing on principles.

Oh maggie, grow up for god'... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Oh maggie, grow up for god's sake.

The "pointy stick" goes on all day everyday on political blogs, tv, newspapers, magazines and in the halls of Congress. It's been going on for over 200 years and it will continue to go on.

I think your statement about kevlar is patently and obviously false.

As for my principles you know nothing about them but I see you're quick to judge them. Look in the mirror maggie, the finger you're pointing points right back at you.

Grow up or change your interests!

The last thing Republicans ... (Below threshold)
MPR:

The last thing Republicans need to do now is listen to advice from moderates and liberals as to what the Party needs to do to win. It is becoming obvious that Obamalala is taking the country hard left. You can shout about being an Independent or Libertarian or even moderate but, you will be under the thumb of Obamalala and his minions while doing so.

Just a caution, UD -<... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Just a caution, UD -

You seem to forget that you're NOT in a free speech zone here where you can say anything you want w/no repercussions - if you offend the admins here you'll be disemvowelled or barred. I really recommend politeness in your disagreement, if it's not beyond you.

Maggie's got a pretty thick skin - w/kevlar or not - but it really wouldn't be wise to intentionally pick fights.

You'll lose.

Unrepentant Democrat: "w... (Below threshold)

Unrepentant Democrat: "we'll end up with just one party. And even i think that would be a terrible idea."

Really?

But having 2 Parties that are in lock-step with each other on 99% of the issues would be your notion of a GOOD idea?

We have ONE PARTY RULE now. Whatever happens for the next two years (at least) the Democrats own it.

For better or worse.

Even the slow to catch on crowd (65% of Obama voters believed the Repubs were in charge of Congress the last two years) will understand that it is all Dems...all the time.

2010 will be an interesting election year. The Dems will have held Congress for FOUR years, and the White House for TWO. If (as predicted) unemployment is double-digits, and as the deficit hits 1.5 TRILLION $$, the Dems screaming:
"Those DAMN REPUBLICANS are to blame!!" is gonna sound pretty hollow...and silly.

LawsonI didn't pic... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Lawson

I didn't pick a fight and I've been polite. Now move on. If I'm disemvoweled for what i've said that you would say just about all that needs to be said about the editor.

By the way do you read marc and his foul comments and ad hominem attacks ? Do you read ww and his ad hominem attacks? Look in the collective mirror so to speak Lawson.

Good post. We "conserative... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

Good post. We "conseratives" may need to vote a coup d' grace of the GOP in 2010; where RINO meets Donk, up the Donk.

UD -Just trying to... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

UD -

Just trying to give you a heads up - but since you don't want it...

(Shrug.)

What it boils down to is th... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

What it boils down to is that Spector will vote whichever way will save his political ass.

"We have ONE PARTY RULE now. Whatever happens for the next two years (at least) the Democrats own it."

So far I've seen little in the way of 'ownership', and the Democrats have been running Congress since 2006. Most often used phrase to date has been "It's all Bush's fault".

Oh maggie, you are absolute... (Below threshold)
max:

Oh maggie, you are absolutely precious. Don't ever change.

FOr all the we most be more... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

FOr all the we most be more mod out there.
When the class of 1994 swept in to congress was it with me too work or was it with a Platform?
http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html

UD you made me laugh.... (Below threshold)
maggie:

UD you made me laugh.
As to your statement about I know nothing
about you, turn it around.
You have no way of proving/disproving my
statement of wearing kevlar or having thick
skin.
Your quickened response shows you are probably
very thin skinned.
Maybe my pointed stick pricked your side.

UD Said:You fellow r... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

UD Said:
You fellow righties did it for 8 years and laughed the whole time....go figure. So spare us the sanctimony please

UD, you mentioned right out of the shoot that the conservatives are racists. Not explicitly but inferred. I have heard that since 1980, your extreme left shtick is getting tiresome and definitely immature. There is and never will be an elimination of the liberal thought or the conservative thought. To say otherwise is showing the person is a liar or simply unable to understand politics. ww

Yet another sad rift in the... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Yet another sad rift in the Republican Party:

"A battle over control of the party's purse strings has erupted at the troubled Republican National Committee, with defenders of Chairman Michael S. Steele accusing dissident RNC members of trying to "embarrass and neuter" the party's new leader."

. . .

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/29/rnc-divide-grows-over-finance-battle/

:(

maggieEven a dopey... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

maggie

Even a dopey dem such as myself can understand your sensitivity - otherwise you would never have started this tete a tete. Read your own words maggie and then get back to me about your kevlar skin.

By the way, are you the disemvowler that Lawson was speaking about? If so, what's with marc and ww and marc's foul language and ww's incessant ad hominem attacks? Why are those tolerated while apparently (correct me if I'm wrong) there is extra scrutiny for us dems and libs?

All that said I look forward to further dialogue with you on the issues, whatever they be.

wwYou outdid even ... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

ww

You outdid even yourself with the accusation that I said "conservatives are racists."

Is there disemvowelment for just plain off the wall comments such as that? Or perhaps you smoke a little weed?

If you were referring to my comment about "white southerners..." enlighten us please with evidence of minorities in the republican party. It isn't racist to point out the facts willie. It's just saying the truth. It doesn't follow that a party that is predominantly white is racist. It just means it doesn't appeal to minorities. That's evident wille as much as you might want to deny it.

UD,</blo... (Below threshold)
maggie:

UD,

Lawson

I didn't pick a fight and I've been polite. Now move on. If I'm
disemvoweled for what i've said that you would say just about all that
needs to be said about the editor.

By the way do you read marc and his foul comments and ad hominem attacks ?
Do you read ww and his ad hominem attacks? Look in the collective mirror so
to speak Lawson.

There's nothing polite in you telling another
poster to move on because you're unhappy with
the comment.
As to using the excuse of saying "oh looky,
shiny object" to move the goalposts don't
work.
We've not commenting about other posters, just
you. Now you move on.

"There's nothing polite in ... (Below threshold)
max:

"There's nothing polite in you telling another
poster to move on because you're unhappy with
the comment."

"Now you move on."

Priceless.

max, Thanks and glad... (Below threshold)
maggie:

max,
Thanks and glad to see you've got my back.
I don't intend on stopping being my priceless
self.

maggieGasp - I thi... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

maggie

Gasp - I think I'm starting to like you.

UD, You have no idea... (Below threshold)
maggie:

UD,
You have no idea of what goes on the backside
of Wizbang, as to what happens with other
posters. Therefore you don't know what you're
talking about.
And if responding to a lefty luddite is a case
of sensitivity that means you assume you should
be able to come into anothers space and act or
speak in any reprehensible way with no consequences, other wise you're sensitive.
Here, I've got a present for you. A shovel.

"Coalition" means tolera... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Coalition" means tolerating at least mild apostasy from some of your governing partners."

"mild apostacy" - Do we get to define that or is that something you've already determined?

"Regrettably, Republicans possess little of that tolerance today."

Preaching to us about "tolerance" is a bit hypocritical after the way Leiberman was treated by his fellow Democrats while they ultimately defend actors like Murtha.

I'm inclined to yawn when offered advice from the very people I seek an alternative to.

I'd have a lot more respect for Specter if he'd gone Independent. This is nothing more than coming out of the closet. I hope Democrats aren't under the impression that Specter is suddenly "different" now.

HUH?... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

HUH?

"mild apostacy" - ... (Below threshold)
James H:
"mild apostacy" - Do we get to define that or is that something you've already determined?

I'm afraid I can't offer more than a tautology here -- "mild apostacy" is "apostacy that is mild." But consider this: The Republican Party is now a minority party. Rather than trying to expand its ideological turf, it's closing ranks around what amounts to a fairly narrow ideological ground. This is unlikely to be a winning strategy.

Contrast this attitude with the situation involving Democratic Congressman Heath Shuler. He represents a fairly conservative district in western North Carolina. According to Wikipedia, Shuler "opposes abortion and gun control, and takes a hard line on illegal immigration." Democrats tolerate this apostasy. That willingness earned Democrats a House seat in a conservative region of North Carolina.

Everybody knows he did it b... (Below threshold)

Everybody knows he did it because he was down 21% in the polls leading-up to the GOP primary for his seat- and Joey Pluggs made a deal with him. And he already admitted as-such. The sad truth is that this hack has spent three decades in the Senate, while accomplishing little.

Actually, I would vote for PHIL Spector over Arlen- seems like a more stable and trustworthy individual, lol.

Just a little over a month ago, the Senator said in an interview that he wouldn't switch parties due to the importance of checks and balances.

And back in 2001, Sen. Arlen Specter, then a Republican, proposed a rule forbidding party switches... her was upset when Vt Sen. Jim Jeffords' left the GOP to become an independent.

Who knows what the truth is with this guy, you'll never get it from him.

With all due respect, Senator- don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. Nobody on our side's going to miss you.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/

The crypto-pseudo-conservat... (Below threshold)
mantis:

The crypto-pseudo-conservatives who wouldn't know Russ Kirk from Captain Kirk and are actively trying to purge the party of those not sufficiently pure, certainly seem to be missing the writing on the wall:

However, it does seem worth noting that this is the second major political event since the passage of the stimulus bill over unanimous House Republican opposition and near-unanimous Senate Republican opposition, and it marks the second setback for the GOP (the other being the blown race in NY-20). Of course, this exact turn of events was not foreseen by anyone and has taken everyone by surprise, but if you consider the changes in Pennsylvania's electorate and the pattern that has developed in statewide races in the last few years Specter's party switch is not so surprising. In the end, as in NY-20, the candidate who embraced Obama's legislation will be going to Washington, and the unfounded claim that the GOP was repudiated because of its spending excesses becomes even less credible (if that is possible). The strategy of focusing opposition on that bill now appears to have been more misguided than I ever imagined, as it has now indirectly and unexpectedly added the final piece to a Democratic juggernaut in Congress that will push through legislation far worse and more permanent than anything contained in the stimulus bill. The GOP made their stand at the wrong time on the wrong legislation based on faulty assumptions about the electorate and their own electoral defeats, and they are already paying for it.

And on your ideas of purity, re:McCain:

Think about this for a moment. It is undeniably true that most conservatives have blamed the political defeats of Republican candidates in '06 and '08 on excessive and "wasteful" spending, and they have obsessed over earmarks, and yet McCain, arch-enemy of earmarks and a Republican Senator who voted against the Medicare prescription drug program, was made part of the official pantheon of moderate squishes and someone whose nomination was regarded as a disaster and his defeat was taken as proof that fiscal austerity is a winning message. Clearly, this is incoherent on its own terms, to say nothing of the unfounded assumption that the elections in '06 and '08 turned on questions of spending.

There were issues on which McCain genuinely was a squish, so to speak, and chief among these were immigration and, to the extent that it alienated him from the bulk of rank-and-file Republicans, the torture regime. There is something quite bizarre about a party and movement that have crafted a self-serving narrative about their downfall because of spending that nonetheless try to use McCain's alleged moderation as a scapegoat, when it was McCain, more than most of his major rivals, who was the most vehement, if not necessarily intelligent, critic and opponent of spending increases.

One party is not enough, folks. I think the Republican Party, unless it changes course, needs to die so a viable alternative can emerge. One way or the other, please do it quickly, as I worry what the Democrats will do with no sane and coherent opposition for many years.

RRR - Everybody knows he... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

RRR - Everybody knows he did it because he was down 21% in the polls leading-up to the GOP primary for his seat- and Joey Pluggs made a deal with him. And he already admitted as-such. The sad truth is that this hack has spent three decades in the Senate, while accomplishing little.

Would that ALL politicians could get so little accomplished...

UD - Exactly. Jame... (Below threshold)
max:

UD - Exactly.

James H - Shhhhh.

UD, you are wrong again, as... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

UD, you are wrong again, as usual. There are many, many minorities in the republican party. You and your ilk watch a national convention and think that represents the party. You have no idea about the delegation process and how it comes about. I have been a delegate to my local convention, regional and then state. The hard core party movers and shakers at the state level choose the delegate for the national convention. So, to say our party does not have minorities shows what a bigoted, racist fool you are. ww

Don't let the door... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Oh, and leave your Medicare and Social Security entitlements behind.

Ha! You mean the credits you'll be scanning with your thumbprint within the next 10-15 years, and only select necessities you can get with those credits? You can have 'em!

Grow up or change ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Grow up or change your interests!

Hoo boy! And yet you keep returning as 'unrepentant'. It's getting a little "deep" in here. :p

So, to say our party doe... (Below threshold)
mantis:

So, to say our party does not have minorities shows what a bigoted, racist fool you are.

Your party doesn't elect minorities much, genius, and you just lost your only Jew in the Senate. You do have one Hispanic Senator and four Hispanic Representatives (all from Florida or California), and two Jewish Representatives, so kudos on that.

Democrats, on the other hand, have 14 Jews, 2 Muslims, 2 Buddhists, an atheist, a quaker, 19 Hispanics, 40 African-Americans, 4 Asian-Americans, plus three openly gay members of Congress.

Even with women (not a minority, but historically underrepresented in Congress), Democrats beat Republicans 14-3 in the Senate, and 55-21 in the House.

I'd love to hear more about the Republican Party's embrace of minorities, though.

HUH?... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
HUH?

Superior intellect, coupled with:

UD - Exactly.

Smart dust isn't what you think it is. Poor demmies.

"You and your ilk watch a n... (Below threshold)
max:

"You and your ilk watch a national convention and think that represents the party."

Wonderful.

One parties x- foolish joke... (Below threshold)
914:

One parties x- foolish joke "Specter" is another parties new found liberal joke..'Specter."

LaMadusaYou're kin... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

LaMadusa

You're kind of creepy. Is there such a thing a stalker blogger?

Poor demmies? Now that's a laugh. You're the folks who are committing internicine mayhem not us "poor demmies."

willieIn a 2008 Jo... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

willie

In a 2008 Joint Center for Political and Economical studies poll, 43.6 percent of black Americans identified as liberal, 24.4 percent as moderate and 31.3 percent as conservative. When questioned about party identification, 73 percent self-identified as democrats, 19 percent as independent and 4 percent as republican.
http://www.jointcenter.org/index.php/current_research_and_policy_activities/political_participation

Care to provide some evidence to refute these numbers?

Any other erudite observations about the ethnicity of the republican party? Try to answer without resorting to a favorite strawman of some righties such as yourself,i.e." you're racist" or "you're always calling us racists." Remember now willie, it's you who brought up the issue of racism. All I did was state an obvious fact.

You're kind of cre... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
You're kind of creepy. Is there such a thing a stalker blogger?

Uh huh. You, on the other hand, are the life of the "party". If you are directing your claim at the republicans, I am actually independent.

Stalker, on this blog? You really think you're that interesting? Wow, and it's so hard to find you here...The one that I highlighted, who agreed with your "huh?", now that's a creepy and disgusting mind, possibly a stalker. Your nonsense comments have no rationale to back them up. You didn't even come up with a theory as to why Specter might have "defected". Do you, or are you just here to entertain and be social while you tell others to "grow up"?

Hey UD, ask LaMedusa about ... (Below threshold)
max:

Hey UD, ask LaMedusa about the New World Order and the North American Union. Creepy and insane.

Democrats, on the ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Democrats, on the other hand, have 14 Jews, 2 Muslims, 2 Buddhists, an atheist, a quaker, 19 Hispanics, 40 African-Americans, 4 Asian-Americans, plus three openly gay members of Congress.

Big deal, mantis. Since when does that have to do with qualifications? Being a jew isn't the be all and end all of human diversity, any more than those other races and belief systems are.

Since when does that hav... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Since when does that have to do with qualifications?

Never said it did.

Being a jew isn't the be all and end all of human diversity, any more than those other races and belief systems are.

Never said they were.

Thus concludes this episode of "Stupid Strawmen with LaMedusa." Second show's at eleven.

LaMadusaHe defecte... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

LaMadusa

He defected because he wants to be re-elected. How's that?

Apparently in comment #64 you believe minorities are unqualified to serve their country. Interesting. Also scary.

Hey UD, ask LaMedu... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Hey UD, ask LaMedusa about the New World Order and the North American Union. Creepy and insane.

Hey UD. ask max about the time he tried to tell everyone there is no God on a Christmas post of someone who believes in God. Also, as him about the time he asked me in a comment section (twice) if I was going to l*ck his hairy balls*ck. He also said to another commenter here, "if I wanted any of your lip, I would p*ck it out of my z*pper." Other than those and inane comments and stupid "I second thats" to any one who disagrees with the poster of the topic, that is pretty much what you will get from him. If those traits are not that of a stalker, I don't know what they are.

He wanted to get re-elected... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

He wanted to get re-elected? Fair enough, that's a theory.

Apparently in comment #64 you believe minorities are unqualified to serve their country. Interesting.
Why would you deliberately put words in my mouth to prove a point? And which is better: Affirmative action or the best qualified? That's like saying I am part Irish and Cherokee, so I should be considered first to be the best qualified. Creepy? No. Just plain common sense.
Thus concludes thi... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Thus concludes this episode of "Stupid Strawmen with LaMedusa." Second show's at eleven.

Which also concludes, "I have no honest debate, so I think I'll leave it at that" with mantis.

Affirmative action or th... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Affirmative action or the best qualified?

You're calling elections examples of affirmative action? What's your theory, when the voters elect a white person, he/she is the most qualified, but if they elect a minority, he/she is not qualified and it's affirmative action? Seriously?

Which also concludes, "I... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Which also concludes, "I have no honest debate, so I think I'll leave it at that" with mantis.

I only take criticism from people with functioning brains. You don't qualify.

Also, there will be ongoing... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Also, there will be ongoing, continual, dishonest and recurring debates from mantis when his spirit moves to the occasion. Check your local listings.

You're calling ele... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
You're calling elections examples of affirmative action?

mantis, look who is POTUS right now, The Teleprompter Telly-tubby. the guy who has to wait for the ok before he can be outraged, apologetic, or determinant about anything. Don't play so naive.

Touche, LM. I can be a pric... (Below threshold)
max:

Touche, LM. I can be a prickly bastard at times, can't I? Doesn't change the fact that you are certifiable, though.

Have a day.

I haven't seen anyone compa... (Below threshold)
Wordygirl:

I haven't seen anyone compare this to Joe Lieberman's change of party. Wasn't he in essentially the same boat where another Democrat challenged him in his primary, so he switched parties to run, but rather than abandon his party and his liberal principals altogether (except for national security), he chose to run as an independent and caucus with the Democrats. Spector's defection showed he had no true conservative principals to begin with and really wasn't concerned with the importance of a two party system as he had previously claimed.

max, I really don't care wh... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

max, I really don't care what you think of me or how much you try "to get along". Don't try to tell people what's crazy if you really don't know what you're talking about.

And @63: If you do know what those are and far along we are in the process, and continue to feign ignorance as a distraction, that just reinforces you to be dishonest and untrustworthy.

You have a "day", also.

WordygirlI think y... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Wordygirl

I think you hit the nail right on the head, Both did it for political expediency. The difference is Liberman, though he was elected as an independent continued to caucas with the dems.

Those of my brethren on the left who got all wigged out about Liberman were naive to say the least. I at least admired him, though I disagreed with him, for standing by his principles about the Iraq war. It was his support for McCain and campaigning for him that caused the most anger.

Why would His support for M... (Below threshold)
914:

Why would His support for McCain bother you.. McCains a liberal rino? Thats why he lost the election.

Geez 914, do you really wan... (Below threshold)
Unrepentant Democrat:

Geez 914, do you really want an answer to that question or are you being satirical?

Affirmative action equals d... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Affirmative action equals democracy, LaMedusa? If anything, for the past few decades elections have been examples of affirmative action for corporatist, lobbyist-approved shills, nearly all of them white males, though with the permanent decline of the GOP, there is a trend in the opposite direction. Glory!

Your implication that the Democratic Party embraces affirmative action by nominating--through an open electoral process--a black man to be leader of the party suggests that you think any success on the part of a minority is a result of affirmative action, though presumably only if they're a Democrat or a liberal. Michael Steele? Eminently qualified! Nothing to do with tapping into what the GOP misperceived as a trendy affection for African-Americans, no-sir-ree-Bob! But that Barack Obama guy? He's a product of white liberal guilt! He got into Harvard because of affirmative action! How do you know that? Because he's a black guy who got into Harvard, a school most white people can't get into! QED, bitches!

As Republicans and "conservatives" (note the quotation marks) slink off unceremoniously into the proverbial wilderness--or in some cases, are dragged screaming--we can only hope that they do not forsake their penchant for dropping the heavy lolz up on the internetz for the viewing pleasure of people who enjoy pointing and laughing at them.

Affirmative action... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Affirmative action equals democracy, LaMedusa?

hyper, don't start talking like a twit. I never said democracy had anything to do with affirmative action. If you are saying that, you could never be more wrong. Be honest, dude. The only reason you comment on this blog is because Canada's free speech is selective, aka non-existent. In the above blockquote, I love the way you try to put words in my mouth just to start an argument.

Because he's a bla... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
Because he's a black guy who got into Harvard, a school most white people can't get into! QED, bitches!

You, like so many others, keep forgetting he is black and white, and it was the campaign media that promoted him as the "first black president".

I thought Slick Willy was t... (Below threshold)
914:

I thought Slick Willy was the 1st black president?

I believe the facts again p... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I believe the facts again prove Hyper wrong. Mike Steele was supported hugely monetarity and by other visits from politicians during his campaign for Maryland governor. We did not just discover him, we agree with his ideology.

The left counts colors. Mantis thinks our party has few blacks so we do not cater to blacks. What does the democratic party offer blacks that so attracts them to you? What about the hispanics and asians that support and/or think conservatively?

Hang on to your dream about conservatism diminishing. If the economy does not rebound within 8 months, Barry is hurt. If we are attacked on our soil, Barry is toast as is the dem party. He is teetering on a see saw and we all know it.

Lieberman is in the democratic caucus except in areas of national security and moderate judges. So, there goes the filibuster proof majority. Not to mention the 13 other moderates on both sides.

It is a shame we conservatives have to educate you extremist lefties. ww

Mantis thinks our party ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Mantis thinks our party has few blacks so we do not cater to blacks.

Your party has no elected black officials far above the rank of dog catcher. You draw your own conclusions from that.

What does the democratic party offer blacks that so attracts them to you?

Representation?

What about the hispanics and asians that support and/or think conservatively?

Lack of jingoistic racism?

Hang on to your dream about conservatism diminishing.

It's reality, not a dream. Wake up.

It is a shame we conservatives have to educate you extremist lefties.

Oh, we're being educated, just not the way you think we are.

Maggie, I'll assume you are... (Below threshold)
Rick13:

Maggie, I'll assume you are serving in the military. If so THANK YOU! I just got back in November and am on another BR for August. I chose to serve because I like to fight for what I believe in.

Great comedy bit, Hugh. Let... (Below threshold)
Brian:

Great comedy bit, Hugh. Let me try one: to maintain power, liberals should purge moderates from the Democratic party, and instead should close ranks around the core such as Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore.

Ha! It works for any party!

Arlen Specter's #1 Concern?... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

Arlen Specter's #1 Concern? Arlen Specter.

Now let's get rid of the other fake Republicans who voted for the Porkulus Bill - Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

The Republican Party is getting back to its conservative roots and this is GOOD.

If the majority of Americans want wild spending and government control of their lives, then the country is doomed no matter what.

But, if they don't want this, the Republican Party will now be a strong alternative to Democratic Party Socialism. (And there will not longer be any RINOs to muddle the message.)

We are at a time in our history that if the majority of Americans knowingly want Socialism, then the country has been lost anyway. But it is my deep belief that Americans don't want Socialism. They are being tricked into it (with the help of the media.)

If Socialism was so wonderful, why doesn't Obama just admit it?

Hyper, shame on you for den... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper, shame on you for denigrating our troops in such a crude and crass manner. GW Bush had nothing but respect for the troops. The left is the people that use the troops for props until they are elected then they want to slash the budget, cut VA funding, stop ROTC programs, close recruiting stations. That is the left. ww

rick13, If you're re... (Below threshold)
maggie:

rick13,
If you're referencing me about military service,
thank you, I did not serve. I did spend 22 years
working in a civil defense plant. It pays to
have thick skin and the kevlar effect to work in
such a hostile environment
Thank you very much for your service.

I can attest that among Wiz... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I can attest that among Wizbang editors, maggie has extraordinarily thin skin, second perhaps only to DJ.




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