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Your New Health And Human Services Secretary

In case some of you don't know this little tidbit about Governor Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of Health and Human Services for the Obama administration, here's a doozy for those who give a damn.

Kathleen Sebelius is a staunch supporter of abortion rights (though she is against capitol punishment. Go figure.).

The one glaring aspect of her abortion addiction is her support of Dr. Tiller, or as they call him, Tiller the baby killer.

Notorious for preforming late term abortions, he's been accused of aborting fetuses up to and past 22 weeks old because of the mothers' "temporary depression." (What?)

Tiller, who can only be called a personal ally of Sebelius, donated at least $22,000 between 2000 and 2001.

I would call that blood money well spent.

He was personally invited to the Governor's mansion for a party in 2007. Which, I'm sure over clams and stuffed mushrooms, they talked of how they could further their radical abortion agendas.

Here's a lovely quote from Mrs. Sebelius concerning abortion:

"I think for me and alot of other people,there are certain unalienable rights for a person, but those are not applied in-utero."

Gee, there's a woman with some fine moral bearings.

For a taste of just what Dr. Tiller has to offer, here is a small gallery of an aborted fetus with happy couple acting as if they just did a noble act.

These are graphic photos. But, more accurately, it is just bizarre.

Remember these next time you see Secretary Sebelius.

Wichita Memorial

Wichita abortionist George Tiller offers a memorial service in his facility after he performs a partial-birth abortion. The mom and the dad in the pictures below paid Tiller a few thousand dollars to kill Tess, their baby girl. A pro-life sidewalk counselor had failed in her effort to dissuade the mother from entering the abortion mill, but did succeed in giving her address to the mom. Afterward, the mother and the pro-lifer corresponded and became friends. In that way, the pro-life community obtained these photos. We at KGOV.com have decided to share with our listeners the mother's pain, and the photographic proof of the depravity of abortionists, in hopes of furthering our battle against legalized child killing.


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Little Tess, in swaddling clothes, with a beautiful rose, a teddy-bear, and a picture of Jesus, all implements to soothe the guilty conscience of the parents who have just killed their unique and precious daughter.


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In the above picture, the little girl's daddy is giving her a teddy bear, perhaps for her to play with in George Tiller's incinerator, which he uses to economically dispose of the bodies. Tess's mouth and nose are twisted. Hillary, Hollywood, Homosexuals, and Humanists support this, called partial-birth abortion. George Tiller used a a forceps to pull Tess's legs through the birth canal, and then delivered her breach, but stopped just before her head came out. He pauses at that point to first kill her, before delivering her all the way. Why? In a condemnation of America's Republican U.S. Supreme Court, he can kill her with impunity while her head is still within the mother, but a few inches further and he exposes himself to the crime of murder. With her head still inside, and Tess moving her arms and kicking her legs, Tiller pierced the back of her neck with a sharp instrument and then inserted a vacuum to suck our her brains. Now dead, he collapses her skull, and only then removes her from the protection of her mother's womb.

The mom who here cradled her baby's corpse paid to have her daughter killed because she had cystic fibrosis. Tess now has a sister, born in early 2000, who also has CF, but the precious little baby sister was spared, and not executed for her crime of being sick.

The crime: Tess had cystic fibrosis. A leading website, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, states, "The most common [CF symptoms] are: very salty-tasting skin; persistent coughing, wheezing or pneumonia; excessive appetite but poor weight gain; and bulky stools.

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Comments (50)

These ghouls populate the ... (Below threshold)
914:

These ghouls populate the party of Obama..He can have these disgusting pieces of trash.

They don't have a vote, so ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

They don't have a vote, so the Dem's don't care.

Using the term "abortion ad... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Using the term "abortion addiction". Posting some gruesome dead fetus porn for the Rick Santorum crowd. And presumably you think that this post constitutes an argument of some sort?

The only conclusion that a reasonable person should take from this, Shawn, is that you're a horrible blogger.

That's a shame, dyper, caus... (Below threshold)
Shawn:

That's a shame, dyper, cause I think you're a stellar commentor.

If you can't take it, tough shit.

A couple I know have a son ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

A couple I know have a son with CF. When he was born, the life expectancy for a child with CF was about five to 15 years. Your making light of the symptoms does you little credit - this isn't an 'inconvenient' disease. It was a virtual death sentence, with a progressive decline and a guaranteed nasty end from lung failure.

But that was then.

Now, with a LOT of research and drug and therapy advances, the lifespan of a CF child is up to about 40 years. (And a fair bit of the conventional wisdom about CF in the early part of the 20th Century seemed to be wrong. The child was urged not to exert himself to preserve lung function... but serious aerobic exertion seems to negate that effect of the disease. My friend's son has competed (and done quite well in) a number of tai-kwon-do competitions.)

And he's graduating high school this year. There's a very good chance he's going to make it to a normal lifespan.

My own son (blessedly healthy) is almost 11. He is... well, I was very skeptical about being a parent, you know? But so far I haven't botched the job too badly. A little love goes a hell of a long way - and you learn as much about love from the child as the child learns about life from you.

That said - I still support a woman's right to choose. I cannot determine what is right for someone else in this most personal of choices, and though late term abortion is horrific I believe the laws already put into place do a sufficient job of regulating the practice.

My friends did, by the way, discuss the possibility of abortion at the time. They decided against it - but they had the choice.

I would hope that no woman avails herself of that choice - but I believe it should be available.

Hyper you are sooo hateful.... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper you are sooo hateful. No wonder you can kill baby seals so easily, you support the same for the unborn. ww

"Posting some dead fetus... (Below threshold)
914:

"Posting some dead fetus porn for the Rick Santorum crowd"

So you are adverse to seeing the true nature of abortion eh Hyper? Try to label it fetal porn to justify the carnage. The truth hurts dont it.

Using the term "ab... (Below threshold)
Brett:
Using the term "abortion addiction". Posting some gruesome dead fetus porn for the Rick Santorum crowd. And presumably you think that this post constitutes an argument of some sort?

The only conclusion that a reasonable person should take from this, Shawn, is that you're a horrible blogger.

How is demonstrating the reality of the situation failing to "constitute an argument"? You are aware that a real world exists, are you not? Hypothetical or rhetorical argument and debate, with no intent or realization that the results are felt in the real world, is just mental masturbation.

I would assume that Hyperbu... (Below threshold)
Tim:

I would assume that Hyperbullist is one of those lefties who demand to see photos of coffins arriving at Dover so we can "see the reality of war". BTW, one of my favorite bloggers, Dean Barnett, recently died from CF. I'm damn glad his parents didn't abort him. I'm pretty sure he was happy about that too.

How is demonstrating the re... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

How is demonstrating the reality of the situation failing to "constitute an argument"?

Does that go for torture too?

Is there a middle ground to this argument? Are there situations that would constitute a moral and appropriate use of the procedures available? Or is it morally unambiguous and no situation would justify their use?

hyper - "The only concl... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "The only conclusion that a reasonable person should take from this, Shawn, is that you're a horrible blogger."

So can we assume you're in favor of aborting a baby past the 8 month mark and into the ninth?

If so then maybe it's the pictures rather than the author or his post that has put you in such a tizzy-fit.

Shawn, O dear Moth... (Below threshold)
marybel:

Shawn,

O dear Mother of God, I have never seen such shocking and disurbing photographs! The juxtaposition of that precious murdered and mutilated human baby, the rose, and toys - as if they were simply mourning a stillborn. The contradiction, the irony is so twisted, sacrilegious, and demonic that my head is spinning and I feel queasy.

This is evil incarnate.

This is evil incarnate.<... (Below threshold)

This is evil incarnate.

Thus explaining why hyper doesn't see a problem with it.

"This is evil incarnate... (Below threshold)
marc:

"This is evil incarnate."

Yep, you have killer tiller pegged. Not to mention Kathleen Sebelius who thinks nothing of accepting his cash during election cycles.

Now that I have my breath b... (Below threshold)
marybel:

Now that I have my breath back...

When my girls were in High School, their friend Maria had CF. Maria was a bright, shining star of a person. She was a very pretty, dimunitive girl, but her cheerfulness, clever humor, and her sweet smile and sunny disposition was larger than life. Maria had a kind word for everyone and was much beloved by her classmates. Maria was a joy to all who knew her.

You might have made more of an impression on hyper above if the blog entry had been about a fuzzy kitten or a cute puppy.

How is demonstrati... (Below threshold)
Brett:
How is demonstrating the reality of the situation failing to "constitute an argument"?

Does that go for torture too?

Certainly. Any other debate as well. Do you think that we should debate torture (the real kind) and "torture" (the hysterical description applied by liberal idiots to scaring people) without acknowledging the reality? I sure don't. And the nice thing about reality - its not a matter of opinion or what you "feel" about it, it is fact.

Is there a middle ground to this argument? Are there situations that would constitute a moral and appropriate use of the procedures available? Or is it morally unambiguous and no situation would justify their use?

You can't be responding to me, I never said anything about moral ambiguity one way or the other. Projecting, perhaps?

It has nothing to do with the posting of the pictures - if you want to make an argument *for* (or against) all I say is you damn well better be willing to live with ALL aspects of the decision. Including accepting the fact when you are arguing the "for" side, that you will end up with ripped up dead bodies of what could have been children.

If you think you are right, and have considered all the possibilities, better be willing to face up to the results.

This is evil incar... (Below threshold)
Brett:
This is evil incarnate.

Thus explaining why hyper doesn't see a problem with it.

Oh, he sees a problem with it - the problem being that he doesn't like being reminded of the consequences of his position.

One of my problems with Oba... (Below threshold)
marybel:

One of my problems with Obama, as evidenced by his appointment of Sebelius as Health and (In)human Services Director, is that he, much like hyper, seems to have "no problem" with Partial Birth Abortion.

I thought about trying to a... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I thought about trying to add something to this argument - but I don't see the point. Those who are anti-abortion are going to feel all virtuous about their position and point at these pictures to justify their outrage. And doesn't it just feel wonderful? (Perhaps you can understand the thrill the left feels about Abu Ghraib photos.)

Those who are pro-choice and looking to argue all night long will have a fine time slamming the anti-abortion folks.

Me? I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, because I don't feel that I can make a choice like this for someone else. I don't know where I fall on your virtue-evil scale. I see abortion as a tragedy - but I don't have the moral certainty to believe I know what's best in every situation where someone had to make a choice like this.

If you do - then I'm damn glad you're not in control of it all.

This is evil incar... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
This is evil incarnate.

Yes, it is. And the motivation is to desensitize and depopulate.

I'm trying to understand wh... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I'm trying to understand why they chose abortion for this child, but not the second.

Possibly because the advanc... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Possibly because the advancements in the medical arts regarding CF gave them HOPE that their second child might survive to a decent age - which wasn't there for the first one?

Or perhaps, after rolling the genetic dice and hoping not to come up snake-eyes, they couldn't stand to abort the second child, no matter what they thought the prospects were?

We'll likely never know - but it's THEIR choice, THEIR decision, and something I sure wouldn't feel comfortable, right, or justified in taking it away from them.

Jlawson, you confuse me.</p... (Below threshold)
Rodney:

Jlawson, you confuse me.

"Me? I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice," Statements like these I just don't understand. Why are you anti-abortion ? Is it because it kills a baby? If so why are you pro-choice? Are you anti-rape but pro-choice there? How about anti-paedophile but pro-choice for children being able to consent?

How about you stick to the ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

How about you stick to the fucking concept at hand, Rodney?

I PERSONALLY am anti-abortion. I think it's a terrible thing, have felt that way since my son was born and put into my hands.

BUT I don't feel that I PERSONALLY have ANY right to CHOOSE for ANYONE ELSE. Is that clear enough for you?

Get the PERSONALLY part, asshole? Can you comprehend that I PERSONALLY don't have the MORAL AUTHORITY to inflict what I BELIEVE onto ANYONE ELSE in this matter?

That OTHER people have to make THEIR OWN DECISIONS on this personal subject?

One size DOES NOT fit all!

That's what really torques me off about the anti-abortion activists. Yeah, they feel all wonderfully justified in FORCING other people to act as THEY think they should act, because it offends them so very damn much!

So they're willing to force THEIR thinking, THEIR morality, THEIR worldview - on someone else who may think that having a child with an inherited defect is the worst thing that could happen to them. Or a young woman who is on track for a good future, but had a bit too much fun one night, or a woman who was raped, but the child is otherwise healthy...

I get solicitations in the mail for groups like that, with pictures of aborted babies - and if there's a post-paid envelope I get REALLY tempted to tape it to a brick and send it back empty.

So forgive me, Rodney, if my thinking that I can decide for MYSELF that abortion is a bad thing, but that OTHER people have to decide for THEMSELVES what the proper course of action is offends you.

And if it DOES, you might want to dig into your psyche and figure out just why you're such a fucking control freak that YOU (judging by your name - don't know many women named Rodney) are so steamed by the prospect of a procedure that YOU will never have to undergo.

"I'm trying to understan... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"I'm trying to understand why they chose abortion for this child, but not the second."

Probably because after the first experience, they found they couldn't do that again. That's actually quite common.

And Lawson, you should be able to understand that it's not about feeling "wonderfully justified", it's about basic human rights.

Would you think it is right for a person to say "I'm personally against slavery, BUT I don't feel that I PERSONALLY have ANY right to CHOOSE for ANYONE ELSE if they should to own slaves."?

How about "I'm personally against murder, BUT I don't feel that I PERSONALLY have ANY right to CHOOSE for ANYONE ELSE if they want to murder someone."?

Do you see why your statement is so lame and you characterizations of persons who respect basic human rights, or "anti-abortion activists" as you hate-label them, are so wrong?

If it's wrong to "force" a certain type of thinking, morality, or worldview on others than it's wrong to have any laws at all.

JLawson (24),Betwe... (Below threshold)
Conservachef:

JLawson (24),

Between the spittle-flecked anger you projected amongst the cursing and denigration, I figured out the following:

You personally think abortion is horrible.
You personally wouldn't want to take that option away from anyone else going through what might be a very difficult situation.

If you can have the discussion without resorting to the language, I will offer my opinion. IF not, just stop reading now.

Consider it simplistic; consider it callous and unconcerned for the plight of the mother, but my opinion is that abortion is the killing of an innocent person. It is denying that person, totally innocent and with literally nothing but potential, the opportunity for even a chance at life.

How could I consider that, and not stand against someone performing it? I think it is hard for Rodney (gathered from his comment) to understand how someone could consider abortion so horrible, yet consent to others going through with it. Look at it like this: I think this is evil, but I think you should be able to do this evil thing.

I understand personal responsibility and everything; whomever makes this choice has to live with the consequences- not the people watching. In instances where their choices only affect them, that's ok. But when a choice affects another person (who, in essence, is unable to participate in the decision making process), then things get a bit more complicated.

P. Bunyan -Whateve... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

P. Bunyan -

Whatever, dude. I've got my own way of thinking on this - I'm not adhering to any party line on the abortion issue, and I resent greatly (as you could probably tell) attempts to force me one particular way or another, OR attempts to change the subject away from abortion - like YOU are trying to do.

The subject of this post was about ABORTION. I put out my opinion, and my reasoning about ABORTION. My opinions apply to ABORTION.

NOT slavery, NOT drugs, NOT murder - none of those were the subject of this post, so I'm not going to opine on them, and I'm not going to confuse THEM with ABORTION.

My feelings about it are - you don't want to have one? That's fine. You want to have one? I'd prefer it not happen because it's a sad thing - but I don't feel I have any right or moral obligation to decide for someone else who's motiviations and reasoning I DO NOT KNOW what is best for them regarding abortion.

It strikes me as strange that there's people out there who have problems comprehending that. Who look at my anti-abortion stance and think I ought to lockstep directly with the anti-abortion crowd who'll picket abortion centers with pictures of aborted fetuses and scream at the people who go in that they're murderers. Or who look at my pro-choice stance and can't figure out that I think that abortion is a terrible thing to resort to - but I cannot justify taking that choice away from someone who might need and desire it desperately.

Sorry if that doesn't quite fit your binary thinking on this subject - but that's how I feel.

Conservachef -You ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Conservachef -

You have your opinion - I have mine. You've labeled it 'evil' - that precludes thinking about it as being something that might be a better option than what otherwise might occur.

Or not. You seem to see this as a black and white issue. That's your privelege.

I don't see it that way - and I found a shade of gray that I can live with.

Regrettable? Yes. Terrible? Yes.

Evil?

Sigh.

No. Not desireable, not good, not anything to be proud of, not anything wonderful or great - but not evil.

JLawson,I apologis... (Below threshold)
Rodney:

JLawson,

I apologise, I did not mean to offend you, I really wanted to know what your thought process was. I hear your statement all the time and I really don't understand it, and nobody has ever explained their position, they just rant and rave about how I am a guy and can't possible "know" what it is like or that I just want "control", but still no answer.

JLawson (28),Fair ... (Below threshold)
Conservachef:

JLawson (28),

Fair enough. I am glad you have found peace with your position. I don't think it is the right one, but I rather doubt I can change your mind. I will tone down the rhetoric- no more "evil" comments. And thanks for toning down the language- I understand your passion for the subject.

You said, You have your opinion - I have mine. You've labeled it 'evil' - that precludes thinking about it as being something that might be a better option than what otherwise might occur.

I think maybe we are looking at it from two different standpoints. (duh, right?)

I think (apologies if I'm wrong) you see the possibility of something tragic coming from the pregnancy- retardation, injury to the mother/child, etc. If that possibility exists, there should be the option to abort the pregnancy. I understand that possibility and I pray I never have to face it.

However, I see the possibility of something great coming from the pregnancy- whether it is the next nobel prize winner or a handicapped child who brings light and joy into the life of a family despite the handicap and the challenges included.

Given that this is a human life we are discussing, I would rather err on the side of caution, and give that life a chance to live...

Lawson,I wasn't ch... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Lawson,

I wasn't changing the subject at all. I was using examples that applied your reasoning to other similar attrocities to show why I disagree with you. I comprehend your point, but it's remarkably lame to me in this case of taking another human's life.

I think that's why people have a problem with people who take your stand on this issue. If it's a human life than abortion is wrong and should be illegal, if it's not a human life than abortion is fine and there's no reason to be against it at all. You shades-of-gray types are a little mystifying to me if you look at from that perspective.

Now for other subjects your point is perfectly valid for me (for example, victimless crimes like gambling, prostitution, and drugs), but I draw the line at causing harm to other humans.

For me, it's not a matter of wanting to control a womans decision as to whether or not she terminates her offspring's life, it a matter of wanting to save that child's unique, precious human life.

Can you understand that? I'm sorry if it doesn't fit your nuanced, "progressive" thinking on this subject, but that's how I feel.

The problem I see with this... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

The problem I see with this is the freakshow couple who wanted to pose with "Tess". And, while I don't have a problem with people reacting this way, I don't see why someone would assume that graphic depiction of aborted fetuses would affect my opinion of the procedure one way or another.

My position on abortion: it's awful. The solution? Reduce demand for abortions. Fewer teen pregnancies, through smarter (liberal) sexual education. It's been proven to reduce unwanted pregnancies, so if you care about fetuses being conceived and then terminated, the solution for you should be to reduce unplanned conception.

As for these people using the practice eugenically, or lazy people using it as birth control, that's something they have to live with. I don't see how that could be prevented, though, without impinging on a woman's right to have an abortion for good reasons. And, as JLawson has forcefully stated, nobody knows the full set of motivating factors that drove their decision.

Given that this is a hum... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Given that this is a human life we are discussing, I would rather err on the side of caution, and give that life a chance to live...

Good, so that's how you would choose. Granted, you would never know for certain until you were in a similar situation, but there's no reason not to believe you. These people chose differently.

P Bunyan -I'm not ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

P Bunyan -

I'm not 'progressive'. 'Progressives' are folks like Hyper who want to mold the world into their little dream models - and can't understand why people resist the implementation of theories that have been proven to fail.

You want to save a 'precious, individual human life'. Good on you, then. I've got no problems with what you believe - and I tend to agree with you re gambling and prostitution. (I'm not so sure about drugs - current cultural data is seriously lacking on that, and the law of unintended consequences bites you when you least expect it.)

If it's a human life than abortion is wrong and should be illegal, if it's not a human life than abortion is fine and there's no reason to be against it at all. You shades-of-gray types are a little mystifying to me if you look at from that perspective.

You've reduced it to a binary issue. The most important factor (to you) is whether or not its a human life. All other considerations are overriden by that.

And I don't see it that way. Yes, the baby's human. Yes, there's an incredible amount of potential. Yes, it's a tradgedy when a mother decides to abort a child. But you don't know WHY she decided to abort her baby. She has a reason, and who are you or I to say that reason isn't good enough?

God. Hyper and I agree.</p... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

God. Hyper and I agree.

I may never live it down. ;)

Hey, probably not the first... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Hey, probably not the first time. Go take a shower, you'll feel better afterwards. :)

Conservachef -"... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Conservachef -

"I think (apologies if I'm wrong) you see the possibility of something tragic coming from the pregnancy- retardation, injury to the mother/child, etc. If that possibility exists, there should be the option to abort the pregnancy. I understand that possibility and I pray I never have to face it.

However, I see the possibility of something great coming from the pregnancy- whether it is the next nobel prize winner or a handicapped child who brings light and joy into the life of a family despite the handicap and the challenges included.

I pray you never have to face that choice either, Conservachef. But people do, and they react in unpredictable ways.

I don't see abortion as a good thing - but I do think that a woman choosing an abortion is looking at a 'least-worst' option, with (in her mind) other options being much worse.

So I'd like (to paraphrase Hillary) to see it kept legal, safe, and rare.

Rodney - My apolog... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Rodney -

My apologies for going off on you - it was unwarranted, and I'm sorry.

"I apologise, I did not mean to offend you, I really wanted to know what your thought process was."

These pretty well detail it out.

I cannot determine what is right for someone else in this most personal of choices, and though late term abortion is horrific I believe the laws already put into place do a sufficient job of regulating the practice.
And...
Me? I'm anti-abortion but pro-choice, because I don't feel that I can make a choice like this for someone else. I don't know where I fall on your virtue-evil scale. I see abortion as a tragedy - but I don't have the moral certainty to believe I know what's best in every situation where someone had to make a choice like this.
If I were morally certain that abortion was always wrong, then I could without hesitation sign onto an anti-abortion agenda. If I didn't see the fetus as a child, I wouldn't have any problems with abortion.

So I hit in the gray area. Ain't easy at times, either...


JLawson, I understand your ... (Below threshold)
Mikey60:

JLawson, I understand your style of morality, where it is okay for you to not impress your opinion of what is right and wrong onto others. In a society with laws and rules, it is your type who know right and wrong but aren't willing to defend it that allow things like death camps, the holocaust and abortions to flourish. If you want to make it rare, then you need to take a stand for that, in which case you are expressing your "morality" on others. To not assist in ways to make it rare, you are as morally vacant as Obama's stare when the teleprompter quits.

The problem is, it is a binary issue for pro-life people with morals and values; to the other side, who wants the pro-life side to compromise, it ain't happening. Morals, values and principles are something worth taking a stand for, and the pro-life side does. What do you take a stand on? Anything?

There are far more choices in the world for the baby then death at the hands of sinister barbarians like Tiller the baby killer.

Mikey60 -I did 23 ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Mikey60 -

I did 23 years in the military - is that good enough for you as far as taking a stand goes? (And it's people like you, the intolerant jerks who know what's best for everyone and damn those who don't agree that make me wonder just why I did it.)

As for the rest of your screed - I suggest you print it out about five times, stack the sheets of paper together, fold it into a TIGHT square with nicely creased corners - and then shove it up your ass.

Sideways.

With a pipe wrench.

Have a nice day.

JLawson,Again, I ... (Below threshold)
Rodney:

JLawson,

Again, I am not trying to insult you or offend you.

"Yes, the baby's human. Yes, there's an incredible amount of potential. Yes, it's a tradgedy when a mother decides to abort a child. But you don't know WHY she decided to abort her baby. She has a reason, and who are you or I to say that reason isn't good enough? "

The same way you and the rest of us decide that doing drugs, prostitution, paedophilia and everything else that is illegal.

I have to disagree with you, it is a binary issue, is the fetus/unborn child a living human being? If it is then what right does anybody have to kill it. This is where I don't understand the "I'm against it, but for the choice".
Other than saving the life of the mother when is it alright to abort the child? Life of the mother is a triage argument only, if both can be saved that is what you do, if only one can be saved then it is heart rendering decision to be made, if the mother can only be saved then tragically that is what you do.

I think we'll have to agree... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Rodney - I appreciate where you're coming from and understand it, but you don't get where I'm coming from and the frames of reference you're attempting to apply to it aren't going to fit.

Maybe in time my opinion will become a bit clearer to you. But in the mean time, again - I apologise for going off on you without cause.

The mother-to-be has CF, th... (Below threshold)
Oldflyer:

The mother-to-be has CF, the child was determined to also have CF; and that was supposedly the motivation for aborting the baby.

Does the mother wish she had been aborted; i.e., has her life been so painful, that she would preferred to have never been born?

If yes, then one can sympathize and conclude that the painful decision was presumably made in the perceived best interests of the baby.

If no, then the decision must have been made because the parents did not want to be bothered with a burdened child.

Jlawson,I know you... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Jlawson,

I know you're not a progressive, I've been reading your comments for years, but on this topic your thinking is in line with those who often euphemistically call themselves progressives. That's what I meant.

"Yes, it's a tradgedy when a mother decides to abort a child. But you don't know WHY she decided to abort her baby. She has a reason, and who are you or I to say that reason isn't good enough?"

I believe there are reasons for which a person would be justified in taking another persons life--generally all related to self defense. The only reason I can think of that a person would be justified in taking a fetal human's life would be if carrying the pregnancy to term would kill the mother. In that case it would be self defense which is justified even though the fetus had no intent to kill.

However back to the original topic of Tiller, Sebelius, and Obama, there has never been, nor will there ever be a case where delivering a baby backwards up to its neck and then killing it before removing the head would save the mother's life, but delivering the baby normally and alive would kill the mother. Late term abortions are never justifed and what Tiller does, Sebelius supports, and Obama has fought to defend is evil.

You were so very wrong to pick this thread to attempt to defend your beliefs about abortion rights. If the post was about abortion in general, I still would disagree with you, but this is about a brutal, gruesom, and evil procedure and there is NO reason this can ever be justified, IMHO.

Guess we'll have to agree t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then, Paul. See ya elsewhere, then...

(Tips hat, wanders off to another thread.)

How can anyone look at thos... (Below threshold)

How can anyone look at those pictures and say well it's just another choice. How is the choice those parents made (and that "memorial service" is as sick as Lyle and Erik Menendez' attempt to garner sympathy in their first murder trial by arguing how sad it was for them that they didn't have parents anymore) pictured above different from the choice Casey Anthony made about Caylee? The baby above was just as alive before Tiller the baby killer sucked her brains out as Caylee was before her mother chloroformed her - which was far more human, by the way. The only difference is that Caylee was maybe two years older and outside her mother's womb. And that the baby had CF doesn't justify killing her. In fact, it makes it even more horrific. Her parents killed her because they couldn't handle the stress and sadness that comes with losing a child with CF later in life. What selfish, horrid parents. That little girl was denied years of a life that would have more likely than not been fulfilling and enjoyable even if she had CF. She could have had a life like Dean Barnett's.

Obviously these parents lea... (Below threshold)
Mina:

Obviously these parents learned from the first abortion and thank God for that, and I guess it's good that they've shared these pictures, but as someone who is pro-life, I say it does not help our cause to be less than 100% honest about things. CF is no walk in the park; it can be managed but not cured, and the life expectancy is below 20 years. That said, it is really no reason to abort a baby. Why not let your child live and have 20 wonderful years? Also, recall a blogger whose name escapes me now had CF and lived to be into his forties, I believe before he died.

CF is a life-shortener; it's a lot more than bulky stools and salty skin. It is NOT a good reason for an abortion. But we have to be honest, or we have no credibility.

You know I was having to de... (Below threshold)
G.:

You know I was having to defend wanting to overthrow Liberals today and yesterday. Things I said about revolution and civil war. Here is one good reason why I said what I said.
Hypo you and your ilk are some real sick bitches.
Glad you like the side you've chosen.
I still say the time is coming soon
when it does
Name a place anytime.
But like Rooster said
"Fill your hand you son of a bitch"

Mina, the life expectancy o... (Below threshold)

Mina, the life expectancy of someone with CF is now around 40 years, not 20 as you cited.

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hyperbolist:

G.: name a time and a place? Ha! Um, how about if you don't like that a majority of Americans accept the legality of abortion, you move to a country that better suits your values?

Look, stupid, nobody likes abortion. It's simply something that cannot be legally codified as unacceptable. Don't like abortion? Then you should advocate for progressive sexual education for all grade eight and nine students, because the number one leading cause of abortion is unwanted pregnancy.

As for the time and place remark, you're obviously operating on a different level than everybody else here. Good luck with the armed insurrection--I'm sure your psychiatrist appreciates you fighting the increase on her income tax rate--but try not to murder many members of the armed forces or police officers in your holy war against liberalism (a.k.a. the United States government).

Seriously, dude, there's shit all over your face. Quit eating it.




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