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Obama launches push for a border wall

Big news today as President Barack Obama announced his desire to construct a border wall. A shocking change of heart from a man whose previous comments have been in support of unfettered illegal immigration? Yeah, sure. No, this is to be a metaphoric wall designed to prevent US companies from fleeing the world's second highest corporate tax rate, relentless expansion of an already odious regulatory climate, and the would-be crippling increase in energy prices the Democrats have committed to foist upon the public through cap-and-trade. If only there were some historical parallel of a government erecting a barrier to prevent its citizens from fleeing an overbearing and oppressive regulatory regime to which we could refer for insight...

President Barack Obama vowed on Monday to overhaul tax policies that he said reward companies for shifting U.S. jobs overseas and allow wealthy people to evade taxes using offshore accounts.
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"The steps I am announcing today will help us deal with some of the more egregious examples of what is wrong with our tax code," Obama said at a joint announcement with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner.

"It is the downpayment on the larger tax reform we need to make our tax system simpler and fairer and more efficient for individuals and corporations."

Now, I know what you're thinking - especially if you're one of our so-called progressive readers. Shipping jobs overseas is un-American. Only heartless, greedy corporations and their paid mouthpieces could possibly be in favor of outsourcing. What he's doing will help protect the interest of American workers and keep good paying jobs here in the US. The $210 billion in savings is just icing on the cake.

Mierda de vaca.

There is one reason why companies opt to shutter operations in the US and outsource - thanks to government interference in the market it is unprofitable to engage in the same activity here in the US. American workers are the most productive in the world and have been for decades. Who honestly believes a business would willingly abandon the world's most productive workforce, subject itself to the language and cultural hurdles, undertake the complicated accounting, and see itself castigated for shipping jobs out of the country if it didn't have to do so?

It starts with corporate tax rates - the second highest on Earth. Then throw in union influence over Washington. Add a dash of environmental regulation. Mix in FMLA, OSHA, EEOC, and OFCCP. Top with an energy policy that favors stylish over affordable. Then serve in a trial lawyer-friendly legal atmosphere. It's a testament to American business determination that there are still any manufacturing jobs left.

Of course, that's before Obama raises corporate taxes, expands union influence, doubles down on environmental policy, revs up the alphabet soup regulatory regime, massively increases the cost of energy, and further energizes (i.e. Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act) the trial lawyer lobby. No wonder he's trying to erect barriers to prevent companies from fleeing to less oppressive locales. Probably polls better than a "Will the last manufacturing facility left in America please turn out the lights when you leave" banner.

The best news is that this is just a $210 billion down payment on the larger tax reform (i.e. increases) he's planning. Higher future tax burdens are a given in light of a projected doubling of the National Debt over the next ten years and $100 trillion in unfunded Medicare/Social Security liability. All we can do now is sit back and wait to see just how egregious Obama's policy of inter-generational theft becomes.

Socialism, economic fascism, communism - call it what you want, but it's clear that Obama believes feeding the federal government's insatiable lust for cash should be the central organizing principal of our nation.


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It's not just the taxes, bu... (Below threshold)
kevino:

It's not just the taxes, but those are high and getting higher. Doing business in the US is expensive and risky due to the huge volume of regulations that cost companies big bucks and increase their risks. And, of course, Democrats plan to increase regulations, too. And then there's the added costs and risks associated with labor unions, and that's about to get much worse, too.

Taxes are going higher and ... (Below threshold)
SShiell:

Taxes are going higher and the unions are gaining in power. Both of those statements are true and neither are good for any business in America today. But what is even more frightening is the overreach of the Federal government into the boardrooms of America. The Obama administration has shown its true colors with its dealings with the Banking institutions and the auto industry that the scarier proposition is govenment making decisions for the what use to be the purview of the corporate boardroom. If this overreach can happen, can the reach into even the bedrooms of American be far behind. If Obama can threaten the Banks with pitchforks and the auto industry with the media - what can he do if he really gets on a roll.

Hope & Change! SPIT!

He reaches into my bedroom,... (Below threshold)
914:

He reaches into my bedroom, He gonna wish to Allah He didnt.

I'm sorry, can you offer ev... (Below threshold)
Jake:

I'm sorry, can you offer even one clear example of Obama's "unfettered illegal immigration" desires?

I firmly believe that the o... (Below threshold)

I firmly believe that the only hope for conservatives is to forget party affiliations and to SWARM places where sweat and contributions can defeat liberals and support conservatives in November 2010.

We have to pick our targets and SWARM them.

I saw a brief exerpt from h... (Below threshold)
Burt:

I saw a brief exerpt from his remarks. I couldn't help but think that his words would have had a much greater effect if he hadn't had a known tax cheat standing at his right elbow.

Jake, when he vetoes the in... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Jake, when he vetoes the inevitable amnesty bill I'll post a mea culpa. Until then, I'll just point to the obvious dichotomy between any moderate position Obama reads from the teleprompter and how he governs.

"Jake, when he vetoes the i... (Below threshold)
Jake:

"Jake, when he vetoes the inevitable amnesty bill I'll post a mea culpa."

So you admit you're exaggerating for effect when you say Obama has "unfettered illegal immigration" desires? You're upset that he's not yet vetoed the non-existent immigration bill that you assume you'll dislike?

That's some sound logic there, buddy.

"Until then, I'll just point to the obvious dichotomy between any moderate position Obama reads from the teleprompter and how he governs."

So again, you have no real detail, you have only platitudes and talking points. Fantastic.

By the way, can someone on ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

By the way, can someone on the Anti-Obama Team (I'm not even bothering to call you guys Conservatives or Republicans any more) please explain to me the moral objection you have to politicians using teleprompters for prepared remarks?

I didn't realize these were now considered to be unacceptable and/or that politicans on the Right had banned their usage.

I'm curious Barron (and the rest of the anti-Obama Team), do you also object to the usage of notecards, printed speech notes, and other such paper aides? Is this a Luddite thing?

Jake,This is the o... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Jake,

This is the opinion page, not the news. Obama's actions speak louder than his words, so anything he may have said about immigration means nothing until he acts. So we shall see...

Although I can't help but wonder why you're latching onto whatever minor poetic license I may have used rather than addressing the larger point of the post. Perhaps you could regale me with some good old fashioned ad hominem fallacy next.

Oops, too late...... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Oops, too late...

I'm curious Barron (and ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I'm curious Barron (and the rest of the anti-Obama Team), do you also object to the usage of notecards, printed speech notes, and other such paper aides? Is this a Luddite thing?

No, it's a hypocracy thing.

Heard plenty from the left about "Bushisms"...yet, they are rather quiet about Obama's many "Obamisms"...including his latest "Cinco de Cuatro" gaff today:

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090504/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_cinco_de_ mayo_1


This from the man who laments we hillbilly 'merkins can't be bothered to get all Frenchy and learn another language, like "Austrian"...

As far as immigration, well TOTUS has said some somewhat encouraging things in the past about immigration, but considering most of his planned policies have come with expiry dates...

From Seattle on the Pacific... (Below threshold)
Arthur:

From Seattle on the Pacific to Miami on the Atlantic an "iron curtain" has encircled the Continent.

"It is the downpayment o... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"It is the downpayment on the larger tax reform we need to make our tax system simpler and fairer and more efficient for individuals and corporations."

"Fair" meaning,; It's not fair that the government raises taxes on wealthy individuals and corporations and then you leave or send your money elsewhere. We'll punish you for that too. In other words, we're raising your taxes and will do everything we can to keep you from saving one red cent of it.

When politicians start using the word "fair" in respect to the economy is when I cringe.

Yet, when Barbara Boxer (and I don't usually defend her) proposed an amendment to the stimulus bill that would lessen the penalty for California corporations to bring their money back to the US they killed it, even though the last time such a bill was passed $362 billion found it's way back to the states.
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And Jake, if you don't like the word unfettered, maybe you'd like to come to your own conclusions and look at his record.

Let us not forget, too, his stated support for giving illegal immigrants driver licenses.

All that is not the crux of the post. But then you knew that. You just want to focus on one short phrase that bothers you, ignoring discussion of the massive hurdles being created for American businesses to jump over. Then you get on your teleprompter schtick, which is also not related to the issue.

That's two attempts to derail the discussion. How about we go for a third?

So apparently a border wall... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

So apparently a border wall is no longer racist.

Couple this in with Obama working to close tax loopholes, and institute 'fairness' - about all I can wonder is...

Which way will the guards be looking?

"This is the opinion page, ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

"This is the opinion page, not the news."

Absolutely, but how does that old saying go.... You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

Making things up to help support your opinion, then relying on the cover of "opinion not news" is simply sloppy. If someone wrote an opinion piece on the Op-Ed page of a newspaper, does that give them the right to make up stories that aren't true, or exaggerate situations into non-truth and simply cover themselves by saying "hey, this isn't the news section, it's the Op-Ed page!" No.

"Obama's actions speak louder than his words, so anything he may have said about immigration means nothing until he acts."

I agree. Which is why I'm curious why you've already made up your mind and said that he has "unfettered illegal immigration" desires. Either we don't have enough information and need to wait until he acts to determine (as you say above) or he has "unfettered illegal immigration" desires as you mention in the original post. Can't have it both ways, my friend.

"Although I can't help but wonder why you're latching onto whatever minor poetic license I may have used rather than addressing the larger point of the post."

Because this isn't just some "minor poetic license" you're taking, it's part of understanding your bias as relates to the rest of the content. Imagine if I started off this comment by stating: "Barron has a long history of attack writing, proving his lack of world understanding". (Example only, I'm not actually saying this) Would sorta color your reading of the rest of the comment, wouldn't it?

Now, to the point of the ar... (Below threshold)
Jake:

Now, to the point of the article outside the Obama bashing ...

I find it mind boggling that you're arguing AGAINST tightening the restrictions on corporate tax shelters. Your article doesn't argue that point, it simply disagrees with Obama's policy because, well, it's Obama's policy. Then you go on to talk about the most idiotic reading of the global economic reality that I've seen to date:

"There is one reason why companies opt to shutter operations in the US and outsource - thanks to government interference in the market it is unprofitable to engage in the same activity here in the US."

FAIL.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Or I should say, so basic an interpretation of the fact that it would render your point completely incorrect. It's not just "government interference" that's driving companies to use offshore resources. It's COST. Second and Third World resources will ALWAYS be cheaper than First World resources. Even if we had minimal "government interference", we'd still be a First World country. And we'd be working under First World conditions. Such conditions are, by definition, more expensive to create and maintain.

Or perhaps your suggestion is that we should simply lower our own expectations of working conditions?

Look at what's happened in India in the last decade or so as outsourcing as increased. India was the choice for outsourcers because they had a relatively educated workforce, similar (sorta) language usage, and were CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. But over the years, as more and more people outsourced to India, their rates gradually creeped up. Then many companies realized that their savings were no longer as dramatic as they once were and started to look at other areas around the world where rates were still quite low.

Did India somehow have massive new government regulation? Not really.

"American workers are the most productive in the world and have been for decades."

Best trained? Yep. Smartest? Probably. Most productive? Not lately. (We could be, but we're currently not) There's a reason we import so many goods from China: They're cheap and mostly decent. This isn't some dig on American workers, it's a real look at their output.

"Who honestly believes a business would willingly abandon the world's most productive workforce, subject itself to the language and cultural hurdles, undertake the complicated accounting, and see itself castigated for shipping jobs out of the country if it didn't have to do so?"

Why do I need to "believe" it? It's happening. Now. Every day. China is producing MASS quantities of the worlds goods because they're vastly cheaper than manufacturing in the US or even EU. Go into Wal-Mart and turn over just about anything to look at where it was made.

You're missing the point entirely of Obama's policy change here: You say who would ship jobs overseas because of the costs? Look at the FULL balance sheet! Do you not understand that hiring a few extra accountants is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall manufacturing savings of producing in China, for instance? Do you not understand that putting things created in China in a container and then on a ship is STILL cheaper than producing domestically?

And before you chalk this up to the big back US Fed Government, remember the conditions that make this possible: Poor conditions for workers, massive environmental issues, etc. Government regulation PREVENTS those kinds of conditions from existing here, but perhaps your argument is that globalization means we need lower our standards and remove our regulations in order to more directly compete with the Second and Third World?

I love it when an extreme l... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I love it when an extreme lefty like Jake demands only facts not opinions. Here is some examples:
1. The left calls our war in Iraq an invasion when facts say it is a continuation of the war from 1991.
2. The left says GW Bush rushed into the war, when actually many months passed before that happened.
3. The left says Rove gave up Plames name, but the facts are Armitage did.
I can go on and on with this so you see why I am amused that Jake, out of the blue, wants to see just the facts. ww

By the way, can so... (Below threshold)
By the way, can someone on the Anti-Obama Team (I'm not even bothering to call you guys Conservatives or Republicans any more) please explain to me the moral objection you have to politicians using teleprompters for prepared remarks?

I didn't realize these were now considered to be unacceptable and/or that politicans on the Right had banned their usage

Jake, we knuckle-dragging troglodytes know that pretty much all politicians use the TelePrompter nowadays. Why we're ragging on Obama is because all you Obama worshippers (I won't even call you guys liberals or progressives any more) keep telling us how scary smart Obama is, and how he is the greatest orator since Cicero. Yet he can't seem to perform even the most routine press conferences without the TelePrompter (that big dummy George Bush could actually speak off the cuff) and his administration thus far has resembled a badly made Keystone Kops movie.

In other words words, it's the disparity between what the Obama-worshipping media are desperately trying to get us to believe about Obama and the actual reality of his stumbles and fumbles that we here on the right are going to be having a lot of fun laughing at over the next four years. So buckle up and enjoy the ride.

"That's two attempts to der... (Below threshold)
max:

"That's two attempts to derail the discussion. How about we go for a third?"

As usual, little willie took care of that.

@WildWillie - with all due ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@WildWillie - with all due respect, please. shut. up. I'm not an "extreme lefty", and you're showing your ignorance by simply branding me as one because I say thing you don't agree with. Turn off Sean Hannity once in a while and read my comments with something other than a goal to discredit me simply through calling me an "extreme lefty".

I've explained why calling me an "extreme lefty" is a ridiculous thing for you to be doing before, and I'm not rehashing again... you're not going to listen anyway.

@OregonMuse first let me gi... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@OregonMuse first let me give you credit for you amusing reply. Seriously, quite funny! :)

Anyway, the teleprompter thing is a silly and ridiculous thing to focus on. He doesn't use it to answer questions, for crying outloud. He uses it for the prepared remarks, just like Bush did, just like every politician does.

I get what you're saying that because Obama has talent for speaking that the expectation has grown out of control to think that he's such a great speaker that he can swallow a written speech and then stand in front of an audience with a glowing light coming out of his mouth.. but I'd point not to the "Obama loving media", as much as Conservatives setting the bar so high the he can't use the common teleprompter without disdain from folks like you.


He cannot use the common te... (Below threshold)
914:

He cannot use the common teleprompter without first slapping the doctor Jake.

We dont focus on the teleprompter...He does. He does not use it for prepared remarks. He uses it for all remarks.

Do you have a valid argument to support this self loving fool?

@914 - by "remarks", surely... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@914 - by "remarks", surely you mean prepared statements and speeches, not the answers to questions asked, right?

What answers??... (Below threshold)
914:

What answers??

Jake,The rational ... (Below threshold)

Jake,

The rational among us know that corporations don't pay taxes, they just collect them from their customers. Even the left-tards realize that cap-and-trade will cost every household $3168 a year under its current incarnation.

@914 - so now we're getting... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@914 - so now we're getting to the real issue... you're not pleased with his answers. Fair enough.

But I assume from your changing the issue that you, in fact, don't believe that he's reading this answers from a teleprompter, correct?

And as usual, widdle max ha... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

And as usual, widdle max has no clue about the post. Borders could mean keeping people in and jobs out.

Quit stalking me LaMedusa, ... (Below threshold)
max:

Quit stalking me LaMedusa, you wierdo.

Willie could say the... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:


Willie could say the same thing about you, max.

Jake,You don't bel... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Jake,

You don't believe that government interference has driven up the costs of manufacturing in the US?

Let's start with labor costs. Income and payroll taxes affect costs. Minimum wage laws affect costs. Benefits mandates (i.e. imposing the ubiquitous specter of fairness on what employers can offer different workers) and laws like the FMLA affect costs. Laws which strengthen organized labor - particularly in manufacturing sector - affect costs.

Further down the operational ladder are the regulatory mandates which affect costs. Environmental laws affect costs. A litigation-friendly legal environment affects costs. Energy policy affects costs.

And those costs are poised to skyrocket with the passage of EFCA, cap and trade (or its imposition by the EPA), Lily Ledbetter, etc. Why would any manufacturing operation in its right mind endure Obama's business crushing agenda?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6976084.stm

Because per the most recent survey I found (from 2007), US workers are FIVE times more productive than East Asian (i.e. India and China) workers.

Government may not be the sole reason companies find less productive workers preferable to American labor, but it's far and away the biggest imposer of costs unrelated to normal business operations. Hence the wall of taxes. The government may (as in might, with no guarantees) collect a few more dollars, but should Obama "succeed" it will become virtually impossible to cost effectively manufacture anything in the US.

So the crash in revenues ha... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

So the crash in revenues has started the panic to increase taxes and make up the shortfall. Guess what happens, hint 'Greece'.

The economy will go off the books and revenues will continue to plummet. This guy is his own enemy, let alone ours.

"Either we don't have en... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Either we don't have enough information and need to wait until he acts to determine (as you say above) or he has "unfettered illegal immigration" desires as you mention in the original post."

He HAS acted. He HAS a voting record. Jake is just ignoring it.

(Yeah, I know, this is way late in the argument, but it had to be said "for the record".)




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