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Enhanced Interrogation Hypocrisy: What The Democrats Knew And When They Knew It

David Freddoso comments on the Pelosi hypocrisy regarding the enhanced interrogation techniques (EIT) that the Speaker clearly knew about but recently claims selective amnesia (she's now trying to hide behind the excuse that an aide was informed but not her).

I spoke to a senior Republican aide who feels that the speaker is getting an awfully easy ride on this -- that the briefing of the Speaker's aide clearly demonstrates that she knew what was going on in 2003, even if Pelosi is disputing exactly what was mentioned in the 2002 briefing.

"Look, the claim that a Pelosi staffer was briefed on these techniques but not Pelosi herself is absurd," he said. "That's just not the way the system works. Staff are not briefed on anything a Member wouldn't be briefed on."

Is there a clearer example of Democrats getting caught talking out of both sides of their mouth on an issue? Ed Morrissey notes that the prevaricating Pelosi has company within her own Party on this Monument of Doublespeak:

Nancy Pelosi isn't alone in her lies and hypocrisy, according to Jim Angle at Fox News. The leaked CIA minutes of Congressional briefings on enhanced-interrogation techniques -- more than 40 of them -- show that leaders of both parties and members of the committees on intelligence got specifically and explicitly briefed on Abu Zubaydah's waterboarding and other procedures used on high-value al-Qaeda detainees:

And a pointed comment on the CIA's apparent concern about the release of the OLC memos:

The leak clearly shows that some in the CIA have resolved not to take the heat for waterboarding all by themselves, and shows what a miscalculation Obama made by releasing the legal memos. Until that time, the CIA appeared content to let people talk about Bush-era tactics in academic terms, especially since the agency had dropped the procedures in question several years earlier. After the release of the OLC memos prompted talk of prosecutions, that all changed, and now Obama knows how Bush felt when the CIA decided to leak damaging information to the press.

Because we have to live with the consequences of these incredibly poor policy decisions by the Obama administration and the outright dishonesty of Pelosi & Co. until at least 2010, it can only be hoped that this comeuppance results in some moderation. The combination of Obama's Apologia Tour and the release of the OLC memos has done this country great harm (evidence the CIA's efforts to get the real story out). The legacy media seems to have caught on finally, as Tom Maguire remarks that the recognized symptom of Name That Party is presenting among all the usual suspects.

EIT is every bit a Democrat problem as it is a Bush administration issue. The Democrats are simply depending on the selective amnesia of the MSM and the gullibility of an electorate still in the throes of diminishing Obamism for cover.

Update: Via Instapundit, I find something on which I can agree with Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN). By all means, let's investigate them all.

Clarification: I'm not sure where Senator Alexander ends up on the EIT issue. I'm in favor of Congressional investigations into who knew what and when because most Americans, faced with the choices offered President Bush at the time, would and will support EIT.


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EIT is every bit a... (Below threshold)
James H:
EIT is every bit a Democrat problem as it is a Bush administration issue. The Democrats are simply depending on the selective amnesia of the MSM and the gullibility of an electorate still in the throes of diminishing Obamism for cover.

I disagree slightly on this; the Bush administration formulated torture policy and implemented it; at best, Democrat who knew of the torture would be guilty of being accessories.

Before we leap to conclusions, I want to know if any lawmakers, Democratic or Republican, attempted to moderate the policies or even bring an end to them. Did anybody even file a letter of protest?

Right now, it appears that key Democrats were aware of the the Bush administration's actions and did little, if anything, to halt the torture. If so, I am fully prepared to see these Democrats embarrassed, forced to resign, or hounded out of office.

Good point James. ... (Below threshold)

Good point James.

I didn't write that sentence very clearly.

Right no... (Below threshold)
Brett:


Right now, it appears that key Democrats were aware of the the Bush administration's actions and did little, if anything, to halt the torture. If so, I am fully prepared to see these Democrats embarrassed, forced to resign, or hounded out of office.

That's a shame, it's the one patriotic thing they did - even if they did it because of the pathetic fecklessness, instead of genuine beliefs.

And once again, it's not torture, so that part of your argument is not sensible. Repeating a lie doesn't make it so, recent experience notwithstanding.

Truly amazing- Pelosi was c... (Below threshold)

Truly amazing- Pelosi was caught lying red-handed... and she's STILL lying.

Of course, she had no objection to the use of EITs for almost 5 years- until she was Speaker in 2007 and the antiwar left raised it as an issue. Suddenly she's against it, and/or "knew nothing". And obviously willing to lie to the whole country to create a more favorable reality.

Apparently Obama and Pelosi forgot something: the CIA kills people... it's in their job description. Did they really think these killers were going to meekly take one for the team... when the team captain is a lying, incompetent, arrogant nebbish with no real-world experience and who told them they need to kiss his ring? - please

Pelosi is a no-talent hack who's made a lot of enemies. Going to be hard to BS her way out of this one- her approval rating was like 9% before this story even broke.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/

james h - "Did anybody ... (Below threshold)
marc:

james h - "Did anybody even file a letter of protest?"

Just one Jane Harman.

Liar, liar <a href="http://... (Below threshold)
marc:

Liar, liar pants on fire!

"On February 4, 2003, Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were given a briefing in which "EITs [were] 'described in considerable detail,' including 'how the water board was used.' The process by which the techniques were approved by DoJ was also raised." The document also adds that Mr. Rockefeller, the Committee's ranking Democrat, was later given an "individual briefing."
Yet in October 2008, following a Washington Post report on the existence of the OLC memos, Mr. Rockefeller disclaimed any knowledge of the opinions. "If White House documents exist that set the policy for the use of coercive techniques such as waterboarding, those documents have been kept from the committee," said Mr. Rockefeller. "That is unacceptable, and represents the latest example of the Bush Administration withholding critical information from Congress and the American people in an attempt to limit our oversight of sensitive intelligence collection activities."
Amusingly, or almost, Senator Rockefeller's denial is flatly contradicted by his own report on the subject released last month, which notes that "On May 19, 2008, the Department of Justice and the Central Intelligence Agency provided the Committee with access to all opinions and a number of other documents prepared by the Office of Legal Counsel . . . concerning the legality of the CIA's detention and interrogation program. Five of these documents provided addressed the use of waterboarding."
Hmm. Are we assuming Democr... (Below threshold)
epador:

Hmm. Are we assuming Democrats are capable of knowing ANYTHING?

Crack reporting from...The ... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Crack reporting from...The National Review...Instapundit...Ed Morrissey...and Wizbang. Kwality.
depp=true
notiz=Have a shovel jp2.

Come on people, all after t... (Below threshold)
kathie:

Come on people, all after the fact the dems claim Bush hid the intelligence around the Iraqi war, claimed they didn't see torture memos, claim that the didn't set up Joe Wilson and his wife. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one MSM scandal that can't be traced to top secret information and my bet is Jay Rockefeller was responsible for all of it.

One can tell when Nancy is ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

One can tell when Nancy is lying. Her lips are moving.

Some broomstick flying spea... (Below threshold)
914:

Some broomstick flying speakers make the wrong political calculation from time to time. It had nothing to do with lying and everything to do with gaining power.

Ohh thats right, the two go hand in hand so well together with the dem power structure they cannot be separated.

"Come on people, all aft... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Come on people, all after the fact the dems claim Bush hid the intelligence around the Iraqi war, claimed they didn't see torture memos, claim that the didn't set up Joe Wilson and his wife."

They also played dumb about electronic surveillance. Every time they throw a stink bomb in Bush's direction they forget to turn the fan off pointing in their direction. You'd think they'd learn.

More than a couple who signed off to give the President the power to declare war were shocked - shocked I tell you! - when months later, he did.

For a Congress that knows so much, they seem to not know anything at all.

I couldn't agree more, inve... (Below threshold)
Jake:

I couldn't agree more, investigate, investigate, investigate. If it takes down Pelosi, then wonderful! I thoroughly dislike her. (Although I'm not ready to kill her and Harry Reid like the commentator recently said of military men)

That said, if you had done any research at all, you'd be seeing that there is a lot of debate about what is going on with the CIA claims of briefings. Apparently there may be doctored CIA logs, questionable briefings (which supposedly briefed Congress as they were supposed to, but actually held back details), and timing issues (briefing Congress AFTER things had already happened).

I'm not giving Pelosi, et. al. a pass, I'm just pointing out that there is vastly more conversation than "Pelosi knew exactly what was going on, fry her!"

@HughS said: "EIT is every ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@HughS said: "EIT is every bit a Democrat problem as it is a Bush administration issue."

First off, the word you're looking for is "Democratic". If this idiotic language reframing to "Democrat Party" is all the conservatives have left, your party is all but dead.

Secondly, I'm curious what gives you the impression that the "electorate still in the throes of diminishing Obamism"? Is it his improving poll numbers? Or just your root anger that he exists as President?

Third, while I agree that Democrats and Republics (see, I can make up new words too!) should be on the investigation table equally, I don't agree with the idea that a perpetrator and an accomplice should be considered equal for guilt and punishment. A murderer and a person who helps cover up the murder after the fact aren't at the same level of guilt.

But either way, investigate, investigate, investigate!

Jake, So should m... (Below threshold)
maggie:

Jake,

So should members of the demcratic party,
be called the democrat party? Or should they
be called democracy-ites? Or maybe democracies?
Since when did the nitpicking begin over the
'D'word. Poor defense my man.
Whirled Peas.

What was that? What did yo... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

What was that? What did you say?!!! Pelosi knew about the . . . what?!!

What was that last word?

I agree with Jake, the Demo... (Below threshold)
davidt:

I agree with Jake, the Democrat party must be investigated.

Get off Nancy's back alread... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

Get off Nancy's back already. If she did not know what was going on right in front of her, it's not her fault. Sometimes people get like that and when they do we need to treat them with respect by placing them in a jail/work camp for their remaining days. Or offer Nancy a free lobotomy. Her choice.

An investigation by a special prosecutor should reveal what's true or not. If Pelosi was in on the crime of torture, and I suspect she was, then let the chickens come home to roost. This might answer the question of why she insisted that the impeachment of Bush and Cheney was off the table. Get rid of the DINO piece of garbage.

F*ck the CIA. That Obie's g... (Below threshold)
Elmo:

F*ck the CIA. That Obie's gettin sqooed by em? BFD. That Obie's stupid enough to goof with em .... pity the country.

jake - "Secondly, I'm c... (Below threshold)
marc:

jake - "Secondly, I'm curious what gives you the impression that the "electorate still in the throes of diminishing Obamism"? Is it his improving poll numbers? Or just your root anger that he exists as President?"

What improving poll numbers?

At best he's remained the same when averaged across all the polls.

jc hammer - "An investigation by a special prosecutor should reveal what's true or not.

You mean like the one that took on the Plame case?

Worked out great didn't it, no one ever charged or convicted of "outing" a so called "undercover" agent.

It took a self-confession by Armitage to learn the guilt in that case AND the special prosecutor - "Special" because he obviously rode to court each day in a short-wheel base bus each day with the rest of the "special kids" - knew Armitage leaked Plame's name from the very start of the investigation.

Or perhaps jc you're referring to the special prosecutor in the Clinton case? Seems to me there was much uproar from the left side of the aisle over that "investigation."

If I might offer a suggestion, give it up it's not going to happen and frankly what many believed from the start it was NEVER going to happen. IT was all a show to appease the far left and various and sundry other nutcakes.

"If I might offer a suggest... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"If I might offer a suggestion, give it up it's not going to happen and frankly what many believed from the start it was NEVER going to happen."

Of course it won't. When corruption gets to a point that its right in people's faces, no investigation is needed. Only a revolt and cleansing of the corruption. Not my first choice, but unfortunately, the inevitable one because there is no reasoning with such systematic, diabolical control.

As I said before when the d... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

As I said before when the democratics wanted an investigation to Bring.It.On. Barry's let the genie out of the bottle. ww

The tone regarding enthusia... (Below threshold)
Jake:

The tone regarding enthusiasm to investigate the role Democrats played in torturing prisoners is an interesting one.

To agree that Democrats need to be investigated is to inherently agree that there is grounds for Republicans to be investigated as well, since they were in power and responsible for implementation of the torture that Democrats are (as is being claimed) involved in approving.

Of course, if you don't agree that Republicans should be investigated, there'd of course be zero reason to investigate Democrats.

So which is it, folks? Should both parties be investigated or should neither be investigated?

jake - "The tone regard... (Below threshold)
marc:

jake - "The tone regarding enthusiasm to investigate the role Democrats played in torturing prisoners is an interesting one."

The interest shown is contained in the title of this post. Those that knew of EIT and have spent the last 6-7 years avoiding the issue or flat-out lying about any knowledge should be investigated.

End of frickin' story.

The usual par for the hypoc... (Below threshold)
Brian Richard Allen:

The usual par for the hypocritical course comments of the willingly Goebbels-ized "Democratic" party apologists notwithstanding -- and their by-rote repeating of their false fuhrer's "(President) Bush was/is a torturer" canard duly noted:

Nazi Pelosi needs to be taken to task and criminally investigated. Not because she lied - one of the words in 'being a "Democrat" and a liar' is redundant.

Rather because as the speaker of the United States representative house she is both the second best insurance against anything ever happening to the sail-eared simpleton and third in line for the presidency. Which responsibility surely demands of the holder of the office she so squalidly besquats and bemanures that she be truthful about matters that relate to her official knowledge of the affairs of the intelligence services -- and to the security of the nation!

Time for a morals investigation, injustice department.

Where are you, Mr Holder? Surely not out the back taking bribes from terrorists?

Again.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles CalifOBAMBIcated
And the Far Abroad

"And the Far Abroad" (altho... (Below threshold)
marc:

"And the Far Abroad" (although amended to "And the Far Abroad in the nuthouse") certainly fits someone who would call a sitting politician a nazi.

Have you not learned a single thing in the last 8 years of the same being hurled at bush?

Asswipe, you dishonor us all.

Now on to more pressing mat... (Below threshold)
marc:

Now on to more pressing matters - and the followers of barack hussein obama won't like this:

Afghan President Hamid Karzai accused the United States of failing to abide by a high moral "standard" as it carries out military operations in his country, while a top security official said the United States will not meet Karzai's demand to end air strikes.
Oh oh!

I knew the bombing of villages and killing innocent children wouldn't go over too big with the locals.

Along with Afghan and U.S. investigations into the battle, the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission has been looking into concerns that white phosphorus may have been used after strange burns were reported. Nader Nadery, a commissioner in the leading rights organization, said more investigation was needed.

"Our teams have met with patients," Nadery told AP. "They are investigating the cause of the injuries and the use of white phosphorus."
Oh Oh! Times 2!

Does that make barack hussein obama a "war criminal?"

My dear Ms the "marc" ... (Below threshold)
Brian Richard Allen:

My dear Ms the "marc"

Thank you for your gutlessly anonymous ad hominem attack. Coming as it is from a coward who, while hiding behind a pseudonym, lacks the reasoning ability, the intellect and the moral integrity to not separate truth from moral relativity and who takes his simple boyish pleasures from watching convoys of make-believe "racing cars" and their wannabe and would be if they could be "race-car 'drivers'" make left turns?

I'll take it as a compliment.

Meanwhile -- and notwithstanding that from the mobbed-up Mussolini-modelled modified-Marxist murtadd Muslim empty galabia on down, she and every last one of her entire gang of brown-shirted thugs qualifies as the definitive fascist/national socialist -- I didn't call Nazi Pelosi a Nazi, I mis-spelled her name, "Nazi."

It's called a "play on words." (Although given your infantile choice of insult, I'm sure your usual play isn't with words and takes place, through the bars of your cot, on walls)

And finally, even had I called Nazi Pelosi a "Nazi" (that is, had called her a national-socialist, which is precisely what she is) -- that you might suggest a comparison between others of your type as gratuitously insulting Mr Bush and my truthfully, courageously and accurately calling Nazi Pelosi on her fascistic/national-socialistic conduct would but reinforce my earlier assessment that you are but a bantamweight in the intellectual and moral integrity stakes. And that you came but half-armed to a battle of wits.

Cordially - Brian

Brian Richard Allen is my n... (Below threshold)
max:

Brian Richard Allen is my new favorite wizbanger. He's super awesome.

@Brian Richard Allen - I'm ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@Brian Richard Allen - I'm laughing outloud at the idea that the Bush Admin officials shouldn't be investigated, yet Pelosi should be prosecuted for lying...or for morality you don't agree with or.... something.

So it's cool to torture, but not cool to lie (although "lie" has not yet been proven) about said torture. Fun!

This is fantastic logic.

Brian Richard Allen - "... (Below threshold)
marc:

Brian Richard Allen - "Thank you for your gutlessly anonymous ad hominem attack."

That's pretty funny stuff coming as it is after calling a sitting member of congress a nazi. Trying out for a spot on Last Comic Standing are you?

AS for being "anonymous" it proves a few things based on your following words in the comment.

1. you visited one of my blogs but did little beyond a quick look. I'm far from ""anonymous" either there or here.

2. Your short visit should have taught you I don't use a "pseudonym" here or there. Or perhaps you haven't clue number one what the word means.

3. Your lack of observation skills are wildly deficient as well and evidenced by falsely claiming my only interest is in drivers the only "make left turns."

But you don't really care, you're just pissed because you had the idea you could wade into a "right-leaning" blog and say whatever you cared to.

I repeat for possible cranial penetration and understanding...

Asswipe.

"Thank you for your gutless... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

"Thank you for your gutlessly anonymous ad hominem attack" - Brian Richard Allen

Brian, all that your posts consist of are ad hominem attacks. Are you serious?

"sail eared simpleton"<br /... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

"sail eared simpleton"
"Nazi Pelosi"
"I'm the gift that keeps on giving" - Michael Steele (yes you are buddy, keep it up)

Here's another tip from someone who truly hates you and your party: Keep throwing one of the most hated men in America, Dick Cheney, up on news shows as the voice of the nitwits.

You guys are dying, and you can't even have any dignity about it.

Ryan - "Keep throwing o... (Below threshold)
marc:

Ryan - "Keep throwing one of the most hated men in America, Dick Cheney, up on news shows as the voice of the nitwits."

And you know this how? In on the secret RNC memo to all the networks demanding Chaney be given air-time?

It JUST couldn't possibly be the network themselves inviting him on, ya know it a ratings thing, could it?

You're as wacky as Brian Richard Allen, just from the other side.




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