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Pelosi Swings And Misses

The predicament that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi finds herself in as a result of trying to play both sides of the EIT issue is a delicious spectacle for Republicans that have been on the receiving end of the Democrat's demagoguery of the last several years. Whether it was their ranting "against" the war in Iraq while simultaneously voting to fund it or the president's recent flip flopping on holding Gitmo detainees, the role of military tribunals and the recent reversal on release of the "torture photos", one thing has become abundantly clear. The Democrats have shown no indication that they can make the transition from campaigning to leading.

No better evidence of such was Pelosi's "tortured performance yesterday in what has to be the worst press conference in recent memory. Even historically faithful defenders like The Washington Post's Dana Milbank cringed at the episode:

ABC's Jonathan Karl wanted to make sure he'd heard right. "You're accusing the CIA of lying to you?"

"Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States," Pelosi repeated. As she answered, she held a fist up, waved her index finger, formed her hand into an O, pushed her hair back, then resumed leading the orchestra. She appeared to have developed a case of dry mouth and was swallowing hard.

Now questions were being shouted from all around the room; Pelosi chose one from the back. Did she wish she had done more to object? "No, no, no, no, no, no," Pelosi said. "As I say in my statement," she repeated, looking down at her papers again.

....It was then that the speaker tried to crab-walk out of the session, and CNN's Bash stopped her in her tracks, demanding to know why Pelosi said last month that she hadn't known waterboarding was being used.

"I meant 'we,' we in that -- in that -- meeting," she attempted to answer.


The Washington Post's Dan Balz (no friend of Republicans) made the following observation:

Pelosi's performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a reckless act by a politician whose word had been called into question. Perhaps it was both.

Pelosi has put the establishment liberal media in the uncomfortable position of having to report that which cannot be denied and the tenor of the reporter's columns can essentially be distilled to this thought: there's nothing we can do for you Madam Speaker....you're on your own now. Dick Cheney probably got a good chuckle out of Pelosi's performance yesterday. I can't remember a recent former Vice President that has so easily dominated a political debate, but this is the first time in a long time that facts have intruded on the Democrat's talking points regarding national security.



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So she's either lying or in... (Below threshold)

So she's either lying or incompetent... nothing new here, move along.

And another one's under the... (Below threshold)
epador:

And another one's under the bus.

All I could think of while ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

All I could think of while watching her speak was "Epic fail." because she blundered from one stupid statement right into another.
Its worth watching again on YouTube, just for the laugh.

Hmmm...WAZUP...Wel... (Below threshold)
Bill Badman:

Hmmm...WAZUP...

Well now, just another reason to "Tea Party"! Demoncrats do tea bagging, loyal Americans are moving to "Tea Party" to throw all the bums out of office. Not just the crazies like reid, pelosi, full of it murtha..... And we are going to get rid of Mr. John McCain too. Love his military past, but he is just far too liberal to be one of us. Bill Badman

One can only imagine the um... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

One can only imagine the umbrage and uproar were this a Republican. Democrats would be demanding investigations, hearings and resignations. Now they are silent. Democrats insufferable, disingenuous hypocrites.

Democrats are gutless piece... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Democrats are gutless pieces of crap.

They knew what was going on and said nothing. As soon as the sea of political correctness got a little choppy they abandoned ship. Republicans are standing up for their actions and apologize to no one.

I was rather shocked at her... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

I was rather shocked at her reaction. I mean, she stepped away from the podium, then stopped and looked at the podium awkwardly like she didn't remember stepping away from it, then tapped over her heart like she was indicating she was afraid after some sort of incomprehensible utterance.

I have never seen anything like that before, and that was above and beyond her nervous and logically broken 'statements' read during the presser.

While I was embarrassed for her, I certainly wasn't sorry for her. She apparently agreed with these things in private, then publicly feigned outrage and tried to crucify people for it. Then she says the CIA lied to Congress (or rather she's saying they lied specifically to her, everyone else at the same briefing they simultaneously told the truth to) and tries to escape responsibility for her cowardly political double-cross.

Incredible.

the only thing missing from... (Below threshold)

the only thing missing from the "performance" was a little girl throwing a pail of water...while a dog, a Scarecrow, a Tin Man and a Lion looked on.

Yes Madam Speaker, you ARE "melting, MELTING..."

What Ms Pelosi doesn't seem... (Below threshold)
Tim:

What Ms Pelosi doesn't seem to understand is that the MSM is more than willing to pass on lies to the public, but they won't sit still for being directly lied to. It's subtle, but there is a difference. No one wants to be taken for a fool, even fools themselves.

Heralder -I think ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Heralder -

I think she's said so many things to so many people she's lost track of what she's said to who and when.

She's only almost 70. Shame to see such confusion in someone so 'young'... perhaps it's time for her to retire, before the dementia progresses to a point where she's dangerous to those around her...

She's only almost 70. Shame... (Below threshold)
Tim:

She's only almost 70. Shame to see such confusion in someone so 'young'... perhaps it's time for her to retire, before the dementia progresses to a point where she's dangerous to those around her...


No kidding, J - she's already dangerous to the rest of us.

I think what's kind of sad,... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

I think what's kind of sad, JLawson, is that it's not dementia, she just expected to get away with lying.

When caught in her double-cross, she goes on to say "No, it's not me that's lying, it's everyone else!"

This sounds familiar. Democrats vote to go into Iraq, then when their decision isn't fashionable anymore, "Bush liiieeedddd!!!"

No, just like in this case, you had the same intelligence he had.

Nancy is not used to a host... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Nancy is not used to a hostile press. She leads, they follow. By calling the CIA liars, she's thrown fuel on the fire. This isn't going to be 'forgotten' by the next news cycle. Barry isn't going to be able to go to Langley and get them 'to forget it'. Nancy's going under the bus, only question is, will she go quietly?

Pretty soon they're going t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Pretty soon they're going to need a bigger bus.

Yep, Pelosi stepped into th... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

Yep, Pelosi stepped into the shit pit big time this time around and she has sunk into it up to her botoxed and caked on made face. Instead of just letting the firestorm die out, poured more gasoline on it and then turned on the fans. Some of the pundits were predicting that she would be out of the Speakers chair in a month. Hell, I think that it will be sooner.

If you have the time, desir... (Below threshold)

If you have the time, desire, and energy, go back through your paper's archives (they often have them online) and see how many stories they ran that repeat calls for Denny Hastert to step down in 2006 because they say he was covering up for Foley. You'll likely find quite a few. The lead Albany paper actually claimed he was probably part of a 'willful conspiracy' - and this was AFTER the ethics panel cleared him.

I just put together a research post on our local papers and the coverage throughout October 2006 was wall-to-wall with nearly every one talking about what Hastert knew and when, what staffers were told as opposed to him, whether he would resign, if he should resign, that he should resign. The parallels are quite striking to the Pelosi incident - except in Pelosi's case there are actually documents that contradict her as opposed to 'he said/she said' with Hastert. And Hastert never accused anyone of planting lies in documents a half-dozen years before to ensnare him later.

It's still possible that the press could ramp up to that level of saturation over Pelosi. My guess is that the most likely reason for them to do so would be if the situation goes from being a helpful distraction from what Obama is doing to the country to being something that holds up his plans by basically shutting down the House. The problem (for the Teleprompted Won) is that I'm not sure there's an electable Democrat that's as far left as San Fran Nan to get the gavel. As others are pointing out - security conscious Dems aren't relishing the idea of Gitmo terrorists living in their district, oil and coal Dems are leery of cap and trade, Dems in conservative-leaning districts aren't thrilled with upcoming tax hikes, etc.

It's still possibl... (Below threshold)
It's still possible that the press could ramp up to that level of saturation over Pelosi. My guess is that the most likely reason for them to do so would be if the situation goes from being a helpful distraction from what Obama is doing to the country to being something that holds up his plans...

I think this is probably right. Pelosi's press conference was a complete embarrassment to herself, and to the Democratic party.

Good work on researching how the MSM handled a sort-of-similar "scandal" when Dennis Hastert was Speaker. Now imagine how hysterical and over-the-top the coverage would be if Pelosi were a Republican. The MSM would have spun it into a National Crisis, maybe an even bigger National Crisis than Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy.

Since Pelosi doesn... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:


Since Pelosi doesn't get the first rule of holes, I vote we rent her a backhoe.

maybe an even bigger Nat... (Below threshold)

maybe an even bigger National Crisis than Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy.

let's not get crazy...

I have to say I enjoyed her... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I have to say I enjoyed her press conference. It was like watching a SNL sketch.

The dem's will turn her out.

The dems thought they could get republicans with this "TORURE" nonsense but it turned around and bit her in the butt.

Same with the pics. Obama thought he would score points with the selectively chosen CIA memo's but now he knows the polls did not like that.

Now for the next week the CIA will leak information about what Pelosi and other democrats knew. Conservatives don't need to get involved. They are doing well on their own. ww

HatTip to Scrappleface</... (Below threshold)

HatTip to Scrappleface, which pegs this PERFECTLY!!!

Pelosi First Heard of 9/11 Attacks in Late 2003.

"Since Pelosi doesn't get t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Since Pelosi doesn't get the first rule of holes, I vote we rent her a backhoe."

Maybe a drill rig with an 8' auger bit?

Forget waterboarding and ca... (Below threshold)

Forget waterboarding and caterpillars. Why doesn't Nancy come clean on the ACTUAL torture she knew about: What the "torture" memos left out...


And here I thought "EIT" wa... (Below threshold)
Kozaburo:

And here I thought "EIT" was earned income tax...

AJStrata has a good piece o... (Below threshold)
Paul_In_Houston:

AJStrata has a good piece on this...

Truth Commission's First Victim: Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
By making the charge the CIA lied she has opened herself up to proving this charge. She has opened the door to a full investigation."

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anybody seen the resident t... (Below threshold)
1903A3:

anybody seen the resident trolls anywhere?what,No Comment?

What do you mean, "no comme... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

What do you mean, "no comment"?

If Pelosi was a party to the authorization of these illegal and immoral practices, and did nothing to prevent them, then she should be held accountable.

hyper - "If Pelosi was ... (Below threshold)
marc:

hyper - "If Pelosi was a party to the authorization of these illegal and immoral practices, and did nothing to prevent them, then she should be held accountable.

You do know what the term "self-evident" means don't you?

RE: Can you point to a section of the U.S. Code or any other law/bill that makes waterboarding "illegal?"

Hyperbolist, how fair would... (Below threshold)
Heralder:

Hyperbolist, how fair would it be if you filled out your taxes and deducted something; two years later the IRS changes the law, then goes to try and retroactively prosecute you for using a deduction legal at the time, but not legal now?

It is my understanding that this is exactly the type of thing that is occuring now.

(I think you're Canadian, but I hope the analogy still fits)

CIA Director Leon Panetta ... (Below threshold)
marc:

CIA Director Leon Panetta has a message (memo titled "Turning Down the Volume) for his "troops" and by extension madame speaker "Felosi:

"We are an agency of high integrity, professionalism and dedication," Panetta said in the memo. "Our task is to tell it like it is -- even if that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it."

"My advice -- indeed, my direction -- to you is straightforward: Ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission," Panetta wrote. "We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country."

I think that's a polite way to say F*UCK YOU madame speaker.

Never underestimate the wil... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

Never underestimate the willingness of "reporters" to make themselves look like idiots in the defense of fellow leftists.

Heralder, that would be wro... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Heralder, that would be wrong, of course. But your analogy would only hold if I had consulted the IRS (in Canada it's the Canada Revenue Agency, I think--dunno, I just pay and cash the return), and then they had reneged. In this case, John Yoo is not the Justice Department, and he has shown himself totally incapable of interpreting international law, specifically with regard to the Geneva Conventions.

So: it is for us to wonder why the administration--and apparently Congress too--were willing to take John Yoo's word for it in this case. If a lawyer tells me that I'm allowed to kick someone's ass because they stole from me, does that make it okay? No: it only means that that is one terrible lawyer, and I should keep asking around.

I hold John Yoo most responsible for the abhorrent practices used to try and gain a post hoc justification for the invasion and occupation of Iraq; but I have nearly the same level of contempt for anyone who accepted his embarrassing legal argument for torturing prisoners. He is a moral monster, and those who bought his argument in favour of torture are either monsters as well, or they're willfully naive (which is a nice way of saying that they're purposefully stupid).

BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!


The sound of the Obama bus backing up over Pelosi...

Why is it that a politician... (Below threshold)
Shaun John Diego:

Why is it that a politician doesn't exist that hasn't been caught lying, cheating, or stealing (Fla. in 2000, Im looking at you George...)? Is it the nature of the beast, or rather, do we allow it because it's "the way things are". I think we need to clean house. No strings, backroom deals and secret handshakes, lets just get rid of all of them and start fresh. New blood is what I think we need. No more wealthy, elitist, Ivy league scmucks who pander to their corporate donors rather than their own constituency. Get average Joe American to represent us, as we deserve representation by our like peers, not the wealthy, thoroughly ingrained and tainted fat cats that make up most of Washington.

Shaun John Diego - "(Fl... (Below threshold)
marc:

Shaun John Diego - "(Fla. in 2000, Im looking at you George...)"

To borrow hyper's phrase... are you "purposefully stupid?"

Hyper, did you find that se... (Below threshold)
marc:

Hyper, did you find that section of the U.S. Code or other law/bill in effect during 2001-03 that made EIT illegal?

MARC- what the he11 is your... (Below threshold)
Shaun John Diego:

MARC- what the he11 is your problem? If you have nothing nice to say, then shut your insulting mouth. Secondly, I was making a colorful exaggeration about the Florida recounts and the controversy over Bush's election (I had to fit "stealing" at the end of the phrase "lying and cheating" get it...thats it). Is that beyond your comprehension? Are you being "purposefully stupid?" Again, if you have nothing nice to say, then shut up. Punk flamers.

Here we have Hyper again. ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Here we have Hyper again. Against making prisoners stand up for long periods of time but believes that doctors should allow newborns to die under certain circumstances and that people should be allowed to cut off their own perfectly good limbs if they want to.

You have to really wonder about his logic.

Shaun John Diego - "MAR... (Below threshold)
marc:

Shaun John Diego - "MARC- what the he11 is your problem?

No problem here, that seems to lay in your court, you either purposely ignored or just didn't see the question mark at the end of the sentence.

The meaning of that punctuation mark is ost on you apparently.

Punk flamers? Your example of "nice" things to say huh?

Turn about is fair play, pack sand where the sun offers no illumination to any thing of significance.

Now Pelosi is saying she di... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Now Pelosi is saying she didnt say the CIA lied but the Bush administration.

From the WASH POST

"QUESTION: Madam Speaker, just to be clear, you're accusing the CIA of lying to you in September of 2002?

PELOSI: Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States, misleading the Congress of the United States. I am. "

and from YOUTUBE TODAY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APJ4ncMeInc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgatewaypundit%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded


When in a hole just stop digging.

Even if the BUsh administra... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Even if the BUsh administration lied to Pelosi, what does that have to do with whether the CIA briefed her on EIT? A 5 year old could make up a more convincing story.

retired military: "A 5 y... (Below threshold)

retired military: "A 5 year old could make up a more convincing story."

My 5 year old grand-daughter takes that as an insult! :)

Once a lying skank, always ... (Below threshold)
914:

Once a lying skank, always a lying skank.

Her pants, it seems, have a... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

Her pants, it seems, have all burned.

You know how you know Pelos... (Below threshold)
SillyPuddy:

You know how you know Pelosi is in deep chit, almost all the llama didn't spam this thread as usual defending her.

"anybody seen the reside... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"anybody seen the resident trolls anywhere?what,No Comment?"

51 minutes later:
"What do you mean, "no comment"?"

I'll take that as an express admission.

Then: "If Pelosi was a party to the authorization of these illegal and immoral practices, and did nothing to prevent them, then she should be held accountable."

Party to the authorization? We already know she didn't "authorize" anything. Tell me. How about the faux outrage? Shouldn't she be held accountable for her own deception? You're under the impression she really does care about "torture".




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