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Obama Becomes A Golden Domer, Admits His Pay Grade

Maybe the question of abortion is not above President Obama's pay grade. He just had to get out of Saddleback Church to admit it.

Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it ... the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable." But he still implored the University of Notre Dame's graduating class and all in the U.S. to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature. Open hearts. Open minds. Fair-minded words. It's a way of life that always has been the Notre Dame tradition."

This is vintage Obamaspeak. The president implores us to not caricature the abortion debate and open our minds and hearts. Sounds good, huh? Stereotyping is bad, open minds are good. Who can argue with that? No one. Then the President issues the command to control the terms of the language of the discussion: you must use "fair minded words". This is how liberals have always prepped the battlefield for debates they couldn't win...they clear the vernacular of language they find offensive and purge it from the public discussion. That is the essence of political correctness.

Fortunately the public may be coming to an awareness that such tactics are no longer effective.

The Politco has picked up on this.


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you must use "fair minded w... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

you must use "fair minded words"

So that's what they were using when vilifying Cheney and Prejean. I can only assume they approved of those 'fair minded words', there wasn't a whole lot of uproar from the left when those words were used. Or maybe I missed something.

Fucking hypocrites!

Did the destructive divisiv... (Below threshold)
GianniD:

Did the destructive divisive left use open hearts, and open minds when they let loose on a 21 yr old beaut pageant contestant, for having an opinion, which, btw, is the same opinion as the teleprompter in chief?

The above commenters are co... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The above commenters are correct. Obama's hypocrisy has no bounds. The left has been the most vile the past eight years and turned on their hate machine against Palin and Prejean. ww

Until now I really couldn't... (Below threshold)
Codekeyguy Author Profile Page:

Until now I really couldn't understand Bush Derangement Syndrome (The total and abject hatred of an individual) Now I do. I DESPISE EVERYTHING this moron-in-chief stands for. He is an evil snake without a moral bone in his body. He preens and panders, wallowing in self-agrandizement, while at the same time, not caring one whit for anything which will distreact from his socialist/marxist agenda. Pond Scum, that's the term.

Aborted children never have... (Below threshold)

Aborted children never have a "fair-minded" day.

What is the compromise betw... (Below threshold)
sam:

What is the compromise between killing innocent babies and letting them be born?

To me the most important st... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

To me the most important statement is the following:

Obama acknowledged that "no matter how much we want to fudge it ... the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable."

With this statement I feel he prefers to unilaterally close the argument. He basically says, well, it looks like we must agree to disagree and lets move on. Moreover, if it must be discussed, the "fair minded words" assures a level of civility on which the academy prides itself. To him it is a nice intellectual exercise for perhaps a graduate seminar but to be vested emotionally in the abortion debate is a waste of valuable energy or perhaps a distraction to coin one of his favorite words. I don't know if Obama is amoral, but discussions/arguments that approach requiring one having to take a moral stand seem to make him very uncomfortable.

DaveD:Whenever the... (Below threshold)
sam:

DaveD:

Whenever there is compromise between good and evil, good loses.

Let's ask moderates how you... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Let's ask moderates how you can be moderate about abortion. Or let's ask Rick Warren how it feels to be duped by Obamalala. I hear a lot of Christians say they feel they were duped into thinking Obamalala would "moderate" once elected. I want to hear what Laura Ingraham has to say tomorrow. Especially about the Pope's silence. I want to hear what they all say now.

I don't mind the words, or ... (Below threshold)
epador:

I don't mind the words, or what they could imply if they are taken at face value. However, I have only seen value and face intertwined in a different manner by Mr Obama and his supporters. It would be indeed refreshing for that to change.

Where was the voice of pro-... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Where was the voice of pro-life groups & protesters when priests were sexually abusing children only to be sent away to other dioceses in order to avoid the hand of the law?

Is it alright for kids to be abused...as long as they're living? It's rank hypocrisy!

Justice 58, you are missing... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

Justice 58, you are missing the point. According to the GOP, women have no choice. Plain and simple. So no abortions, fine, according to the GOP. But also no health care for the same kids after they are born.

They are on record for all of that, but watch the name calling, etc they will have for this post.

I also am against abortion, but I do believe a women should have control over her body. But you have some GOP women who don't believe in that, so I guess, according to them, that's fine letting some man tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

I wonder if those same people are against breast implants? Doesn't really sound like it at times, but who knows.

A woman can have all of the... (Below threshold)
GianniD:

A woman can have all of the control she wants over her body. Its the body of her unborn baby people are fighting for.

How many pro abortion types fully disclose all of the problems, trauma, issues that could happen should a woman choose to murder her baby? How come full disclosure isnt required there?

How come its NOT OK to take an aspirin in some schools, but, its ok to murder a baby w/o parental consent? WTF?

Obama is a dirty bum.... (Below threshold)
914:

Obama is a dirty bum.

"What is the compromise bet... (Below threshold)
914:

"What is the compromise between killing innocent babies and letting them be born?"

For the left...Partial birth abortion

"But he still implored the ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"But he still implored the University of Notre Dame's graduating class and all in the U.S. to stop "reducing those with differing views to caricature."

Well, yeah. It does sound pretty good, but that's how he got elected, is with this very strategy. As far as the abortion issue is concerned, the only reason it is so important is because the sanctity of life and acting responsibly has become less important. The right to destroy a child has become a priority masked as pro-choice, when the emphasis really should be on preventing such a situation.

For all those who write her... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

For all those who write here and elsewhere. If you favor abortion or think it should be a choice. I suggest you practice late term abortion on yourself or a loved one. Those of us that choose life get to live and those who choose abortion get aborted. Look at all the CO2 that would not be emitted. Save the planet, abort and pro choicer.

Justice58~There ar... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Justice58~

There are many organizations against child abuse. Hopefully, there will never be an organization that is anti-life, but pro-choice comes pretty close because the unborn child has no rights.

http://www.nystar.com/anti-abuse.htm

"What bothered the docto... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"What bothered the doctor was an entry that my campaign staff had posted on my website - ..."

Yeah, that's it. My campaign staff wrote that. Or, was it Bush? I forget who to blame.

"....reducing those with differing views to caricature."

I guess he forgot this when making fun of Tea Party protesters. I guess he forgot this every time he reduced anyone who opposed him to caricature. Another "do as I say and not as I do" moment?

j58 - "Where was the vo... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Where was the voice of pro-life groups & protesters when priests were sexually abusing children only to be sent away to other dioceses in order to avoid the hand of the law?"

You can kiss my ass runnin'. On this very site there are literally dozens of posts condemning this outrage.

Here's a couple of examples one from 5 YEARS AGO. Another from 2 YEARS AGO.

j58 you're nothing but a bigoted little twerp with the mental capacity of a Tufted Titmouse. Bugger-off.

jc hammer - "But you ha... (Below threshold)
marc:

jc hammer - "But you have some GOP women who don't believe in that, so I guess, according to them, that's fine letting some man tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies."

Funny, a just released study claimed 51% of Americans were now pro-life.

Are you trying (stupidly) to say that large group were all women who are "fine letting some man tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies?"

Surely you're not that stupid.

Check that, surely you are.

There is a middle ground: a... (Below threshold)
Bob:

There is a middle ground: allowing abortion but putting some limits on it, like prohibiting late-term, partial-birth abortions and not allowing babies who survive abortion to die. Obama has rejected these moderate proposals in favor of an unlimited right to abortion at any time in any way and voting against a bill requiring treatment of babies that survive abortion. His rhetoric may be lofty but his actions show he is firmly in the absolutist abortion rights camp.

Justice58There was... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Justice58

There was a hue and cry within the church when the scandal broke.

SPeaking of child molesters where is the left when young teens go into planned parenthoods clinics for the purpose of an abortion.

Oh yeah they are doing the abortion and NOT NOTIFYING THE POLICE OF THE CRIME THEREFORE PROTECTING THE ABUSER.

WHere is MANBLA (Man boy love association) on the subject of sex with children? Oh yeah their motto is sex before 8 or its too late. And they support democrat candidates.

Shall I go on - IDIOT.
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JC

As I stated in a previous thread. We had the abortion discussion. Hyper was your spokesman. He also believed woman should have control over their own bodies.

He also stated that doctors should let newborns die under certain circumstances and people should be able to cut off perfectly healthy limbs if they want.

I assure you you will do little better in the debate.

Tell me JC. If a woman wants an abortion and has one and the baby lives do you believe , as Obama does that the baby should be allowed to die?

SInce you feel that a woman should have control over her own body should a woman be able to cut off healthy limbs and organs just because she wants to (there are people that want to do this).

SInce you feel that a female should have control over her own body is suicide alright since after all that is control over their own body? how about prostitution for 10 year olds (you claim they should have control over their own bodies)?

Since the baby was formed with a donation from the man should a man be able to say a woman has an abortion even if she doesnt want to? After all the baby is part his as well.

Shall I go on JC, beating you over you head with your own words?

#11"Is it alright ... (Below threshold)
914:

#11

"Is it alright for kids to be abused....as long as their living?. Its rank hypocrisy."

If You are a pro-death demoncrat, this is exactly what You stand for. Nice of You to notice the hypocrisy.

"We won"... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"We won"

j58 you're nothing but a... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

j58 you're nothing but a bigoted little twerp with the mental capacity of a Tufted Titmouse. Bugger-off.


Marc,

I don't believe in abortion at all but I am for a woman's right to decide on what happens to her own body! And so now you can fuck off!

"I do believe a women shoul... (Below threshold)
syn:

"I do believe a women should have control over her body"

I am a woman and religion aside, after some 43 years of supporting abortion without conscience I finally had to face the fact that I am not the distinctly unique set of human DNA which is being aborted.

Further, as was promised back in 1973 the right to abortion did not empower the female rather it has become a heavy burden too bloody to bear on only our shoulders.

Today I despite Feminism for breeding Medea's barbarism into the female psyche.

correction that's despise..... (Below threshold)
syn:

correction that's despise...as in abhor to the point of anger.

Today I DESPISE Feminism for breeding Medea's barbarism into the female psyche.

j58, what about the life be... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

j58, what about the life being aborted? It is a simple question (simple is rarely the same thing as easy)... which trumps which? The right to control what happens to your body or the right of the child within it to live.
With the exception of the much ballyhooed rape/incest scenarios, there were series of choices that were made regarding the control of the body that lead to most pregnancies.

From now on the University... (Below threshold)
914:

From now on the University will be known as Notre Dumb... And J58 You are its second honorary speaker.

914,President Obam... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

914,

President Obama truely made a landmark speech. He rocked it as always. Too bad so sad it didn't turn out they way you wing-nuts were hoping. The President tackled controversy head-on. He doesn't shy away from debate. Not to mention he is too cool while doing it.

Next....extend term limits!


I kid you not....after Pres... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

I kid you not....after President Obama wins a second term with a greater majority than he did the first time, extending term limits will happen!

J58, What increase ... (Below threshold)

J58,
What increase of majority are you on about?
A bigger cut of the 35 per cent that DID vote?
Or maybe a majority of the ones who did not vote
for anyone?

Like GW Bush did justice?</... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Like GW Bush did justice?

Are you pulling our leg or are you mentally challenged? Do you read Teen magazine? You seem so immature for the debate that goes on here. ww

What increase of majorit... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

What increase of majority are you on about?
A bigger cut of the 35 per cent that DID vote?
Or maybe a majority of the ones who did not vote
for anyone?

Umm...after he flips a few more deep red southern states & turn them blue!


You do realize, then it will be over for the GOP?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA

j58 - "I don't believe ... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "I don't believe in abortion at all but I am for a woman's right to decide on what happens to her own body! And so now you can fuck off!"


That's all you can gin up after being shown to be a complete fool by falsely claiming pro-life groups & protesters didn't respond when priests were molesting kids?

Not to worry it was expected, you're consistent, at least you have that going for you.


BTW, just where are all those Secret Service agents you were sending my way. With the wife a kiddies out of town I could use the company.

Please hurry I don't want the hot coffee and donuts go to waste.

j[ackass]58, go take a long walk off of a short pier.

j[ackass]58 - Simple questi... (Below threshold)
marc:

j[ackass]58 - Simple question.... what has to happen for barack hussein obama to extend term limits as you claim he will do after 2016?

J58, I don't know wh... (Below threshold)

J58,
I don't know why you think this country being
a one party nation is so funny. It's been a
part of our checks and balance for over 200
hundred years.
Plus your immaturity is not funny, it's
offensive.

That's all you can gin u... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

That's all you can gin up after being shown to be a complete fool by falsely claiming pro-life groups & protesters didn't respond when priests were molesting kids?


Wimpy Marc,


Why don't you have a little snip done so women won't have to worry about the terribly painful ordeal of deciding?!
depp-true
notiz=There are no goodbyes

Maggie,It's nothin... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Maggie,

It's nothing personal against you. Just giving you a heads up. Times have changed!

j58 - "Why don't you ha... (Below threshold)
marc:

j58 - "Why don't you have a little snip done so women won't have to worry about the terribly painful ordeal of deciding?!"

Good suggestion, but far too late, it was done well over a decade ago.

Now, how will barack hussein obama extend term limits? Is it far beyond your ability to answer that simple question?

Geesh, I'd even accept a cut & paste from Google and you can't even produce that.

AND where's my Secret Service agents?

j[ackass]58 - "Just giv... (Below threshold)
marc:

j[ackass]58 - "Just giving you a heads up. Times have changed!

My, they most certainly have:

"Do you feel the country overall is heading in the right direction or wrong direction?"

(5/11-14/09) Right direction 46% Wrong Direction 48%.

And that's a poll conducted by the fever swamp Daily Kos, that can't be anything but BAD.

Wimpy Justice58,AN... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Wimpy Justice58,

ANSWER the question:

From @29:

j58, what about the life being aborted? It is a simple question (simple is rarely the same thing as easy)... which trumps which? The right to control what happens to your body or the right of the child within it to live.
With the exception of the much ballyhooed rape/incest scenarios, there were series of choices that were made regarding the control of the body that lead to most pregnancies.

Now, how will barack hus... (Below threshold)
Justice58:

Now, how will barack hussein obama extend term limits?


I didn't say President Obama was thinking it. But if he gets re-elected by a greater majority, his supporters will want & seek to have term limits extended. :)

#35 Obama is so st... (Below threshold)
914:

#35

Obama is so stupid He is apt to already have turned formerly blue states cherry red.

The 35% of idiots you cite as indicators of Obumas next election win will be swamped by the 54% that reject socialism.

Any bets??

j[ackass]58 - "I didn't... (Below threshold)
marc:

j[ackass]58 - "I didn't say President Obama was thinking it. But if he gets re-elected by a greater majority, his supporters will want & seek to have term limits extended. :)"

Ok, but surely you understood the premise of the question.

So... how will barack hussein obama's supporters seek to have term limits happen.

And NO writing emails or phoning people in D.C. isn't the correct answer. (and neither is having nifong sue the gov.)

What has to happen to make your wet dream a reality?

Justice58-I am goi... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Justice58-

I am going to assume you really don't care about human rights, otherwise you would have an honest answer about the rights of the child being aborted. You are just a shill for the left whose making money posting comments, and all you care about is term limits and the elimination of the GOP. The hell with people, it's all about you meeting your stupid quota.

I will add that you met your "stupid" quota a few comments back.

My immaturity comment towar... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

My immaturity comment towards Justice stands. Complete teenage level thinking. I won't waste anymore of my time. ww

"But if he gets re-elect... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"But if he gets re-elected by a greater majority, his supporters will want & seek to have term limits extended. :)"

You can't be that ignorant. Obama's election was purchased, and you know it. Otherwise, you would care how much money he raised, including the questionable foreign donations, during his campaign. You will question a country if it stands for things you believe to be unpatriotic, but you "love Obama so much" he can do no wrong. Remember that, when he takes away your social security in order to "share the wealth" for the "common good".

LeMedusa - (in ref to j58) ... (Below threshold)
marc:

LeMedusa - (in ref to j58) "I am going to assume you really don't care about human rights,

Sure she does, after all her panties must be twisted tighter Pamula Anderson bra strap in learning her one True Luv obama has killed nearly 100 children and other civilians in Afghanistan.

Correct j58? Or was your "baby-killer/war-criminal/chickenhawk" horseshit reserved for Bush only?

Marc, J58 can neithe... (Below threshold)

Marc,
J58 can neither read nor answer your questions.

"J58 can neither read n... (Below threshold)
marc:

"J58 can neither read nor answer your questions."

That was patently obvious a couple years ago when she first appeared here. He entire shtick is toss out logical fallacies and child-like statements resembling kindergarten "essays".

Oh.. and did I mention she was a bigot to the nth degree?

Can't leave that out, it's her most "endearing" quality.

Marc, Whichever gen... (Below threshold)

Marc,
Whichever gender was posting under that nic
added no value to any thread it posted to.
That last comment addressed to you was the straw
breaking the camels back.

ahhh, does that mean j[acka... (Below threshold)
marc:

ahhh, does that mean j[ackass]58 has been banned?

Parting is such sweet sorrow. I'll miss all her Homer (D'OH!) Simpson moments.

On second thought, that shows a complete lack of respect.

SORRY Homer!!!!

You mean Hypers little pway... (Below threshold)
914:

You mean Hypers little pwaymate is stuck with Koswell headshrinkers for pwaymates? Shucks

Oh I have a feeling he/she/... (Below threshold)
1903A3:

Oh I have a feeling he/she/it will be back,but under another name... any bets?




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