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A Turning Tide: Tea Parties Got It Right

As the federal government continues to determine winners and losers in its growing appetite to control more sectors of the US economy it bears noting that the California vote last night may be a harbinger of things to come and a reminder of things past.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) is headed back to the state capitol for closed-door meetings with legislators this afternoon after voters resoundingly snubbed five of the six ballot measures -- a combination of tax increases, borrowing and earmarks for education -- in Tuesday's special election. Most of them received more than a 65 percent "no" vote...

One element of the Tea Party movement that has never been understood or acknowledged by the Left (but covered extensively by Wizbang) is that there is a large swath of voters in both parties that have no more patience for government "fixes" that involve more taxes, more spending and more business as usual. The approximate 60/40 rejection by California voters yesterday of the above noted initiatives carried with it the mathematical certainty that many of those voters saying "no" were Obama voters in 2008. Add to this the recent abject failure of liberal Obama campaign planks such as the closure of Guantánamo Bay, the end of military tribunals, the use of rendition and the backlash on the release of torture memos and a person could find a failure of policy in general.

However, when these repudiations are added to the mix of repetitive 600,000+ monthly job loss reports, falling consumption, increasing interest rates and political graft masquerading as federal takeovers of major industry then you have the recipe for an interesting political dynamic going into 2010 and 2012. The wild card in this scenario is rising energy prices, which recently have seen oil trading above $60 a barrel. Another metric that bears watching is the price of coal (which powers 50% of electricity production in the US) which is seeing increased pricing for 2010 deliveries. All of this means more strain on consumer budgets at the same time state and local governments are trying to justify continued higher spending.

When state governments head to Washington demanding to be bailed out for their poor choices what do you think voters in balanced budget mandated/no income tax states will have to say? What makes me think the response will make yesterday's California referendum look somewhat timid? For those who thought Obama permanently redrew the electoral map I would suggest caution. There is a healthy state's rights coalition just waiting for an issue around which they can coalesce and State budget bailouts look very inviting to them. Obama can't say he wasn't warned about this....one of his most highly touted advisors predicted it:

Moreover, major industries have become dependent on Federal assistance, and they will be followed by cities and states bearing mind-boggling requests. Weaning these entities from the public teat will be a political challenge. They won't leave willingly.

California, as big as it is, is just the tip of the iceberg.


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Given the results from Cali... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Given the results from California, the GOP's message to the voters who shot down these tax increases should be... "Remember the Democrats were sneering at you and calling you teabaggers rather than hearing your objections to their taxing too much, spending too much and barrowing too much."

By the time the next wave of Tea Party protests take place maybe the Democrats won't be so stupid as to denigrate the protesters.

I'm getting pissed off list... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

I'm getting pissed off listening to Arnie and the State House Speaker Bass whining. Arnie says the taxpayers don't know what they want. Bass says the voters were 'confused'. BULLSHIT! We're tired of their lying. We're tired of their spending. We're tired of their secret deals with the labor unions. WE'RE FUCKING FED UP! The latest trash is that this is all because of "the extreme right wing". BULLSHIT! Registered Republicans in this state comprise about 30% of voters. Yesterday's election was a 60-40 defeat. You hear that you dumb fucking bastards in Sacramento? Right wing? You people are in an alternate universe. But don't worry, help is coming. Get ready to move out in 2010 and 2012! You want a hint as to what to do? PICK UP THE 2004 GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY STUDY COMMISSIONED BY THE STATE AND FOLLOW IT!!!!!!!

GF, I am right there with y... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

GF, I am right there with you.

Now the left will bring out their usual vile deragatory comments about "tea bagging" from the MSM. (got that Jake, or am I making that up) The extreme left is so crude and rude. Reprobates, all of them. ww

"Why do people behave so un... (Below threshold)
Clay:

"Why do people behave so unreasonably? Because, from long continued deception, they no longer see the connection between their bondage and their own share in the deeds of violence." -Leo Tolstoy

Don't forget that federal j... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Don't forget that federal judges can now order states to raise taxes. Wait for it...

Willie, nope, I saw it. Wel... (Below threshold)
Jake:

Willie, nope, I saw it. Well, I saw three things in the MSM:

1. Childish jokes about the teabagging term (a sexual term that seemed like a poorly researched choice for a potential movement)

2. Marginally effective debate about the issues that teabaggers were bringing up.

3. Questions about why the teabaggers are suddenly concerned about spending in the face of nary a peep of 8 years of intense Bush spending. (Personally I'm still waiting on the answer to this from anyone)

I think that the "movement" wasn't taken seriously enough by media, wasn't pitched well enough by organizers (too many conflicting and changing messages about what was being protested), and too easy for non-Republicans to blow off once Fox News started pitching it.

I was glad to see that people were speaking up. I just wish that it had lead to something bigger and that the message had been vastly more clear. Maybe that would have lead to some minds actually being changed. This seemed like a zero sum game when the day closed.

But hey, good things come when people exercise their Constitutional rights.

... (a sexual term that ... (Below threshold)
Wallace:

... (a sexual term that seemed like a poorly researched choice for a potential movement)

That was not very accurate. For one thing, Santelli mentioned this idea of a grassroot movement against unjust taxations that was inspired by Boston Tea Party. For another thing, it is tea party, not teabagging.

The terms teabagging and teabagger come from liberal media trying to minimize the movement in accordance to the Alinsky Rule that ridicules ideas instead of debating their merits. Thus, no matter what term people choose to name this movement, the media will find a name to ridicule it. Poor research has nothing to do with it.

"...what do you think vo... (Below threshold)
Realidad:

"...what do you think voters in balanced budget mandated/no income tax states will have to say?"

California is a "balanced budget mandated" state. It's in the state constitution, you can look it up.

Wallace has it correct. I ... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

Wallace has it correct. I recall a few days before the 4/15 tea party protests, MSNBC ran a piece where they quoted Neil Cavuto (sp?) when he said something along the lines of "Fox is going to cover these tea party protests..." and MSNBC chose to quote him as "Fox is going to cover these [teabaggers]..."

Absolutely NO reason to misquote Cavuto, except to push a narative, and purposely demean the people attending the tax day protests.

Any protestations otherwise are intellectually dishonest, to say the least.

3. Questions about why t... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

3. Questions about why the teabaggers are suddenly concerned about spending in the face of nary a peep of 8 years of intense Bush spending. (Personally I'm still waiting on the answer to this from anyone)

It's been asked and answered multiple times. Under Bush, the deficit initially rose, then started dropping until 2008, after the Democrats had Congressional control of the budget. Then Obama comes into office, and proceeds to not only exceed in one year every year of Bush's debt, but that of every President before him. In addition, new tax after new tax is coming on and show no signs of stopping. And the money is going out with little debate, accountability, or visible effect.

Bush was a debt mosquito next to Obama's blue whale. So now do you understand why people started protesting?

Jake, to respond to your 3r... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Jake, to respond to your 3rd point:
One may be annoyed, even angry, when your neighbor allows his dog to poop on your doorstep. When the house is sold and the new owner promises it will never happen again, and then proceeds to dump a truckload of manure on your door... yeah, the level of outrage goes UP.

Here in Florida we voted ag... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Here in Florida we voted against raising the state sales tax by another penny during the general election in November. The given reason for it was to better fund our colleges. (As if we didn't know that this money will end up in a slush fund like the money from the lottery did; money that was supposed to augment school funding) Now the state legislature has decided we don't know what's good for us so they're contemplating raising it anyway.

"I just wish that it had lead to something bigger and that the message had been vastly more clear."

The "message" was distorted by the media. The media got their "message" and proceeded to portray it as a disorganized mish-mosh of "right-wingers" who didn't know what they were talking about and deliberately chose to air the voices and opinions of anyone they could find who couldn't articulate well what their opinion was. They spent an inordinate amount of their time deriding and demeaning. The media looked for the worst signs they could find to splash across national television. And THIS was only when the media did anything at all.

I read a comment from one man who attended a protest saying there was one lone person standing on the fringes carrying a sign saying "Stop the War". He said the local TV station showed up, a reporter got out of the van, walked up to that one guy, interviewed him and left.

Jake,I for one would... (Below threshold)
tyree:

Jake,
I for one would be very interested in your response to Wallace's post. Did you actually not know that the term "Tea Party" was changed to "Tea Bagging" by the MSM?

Jake- I want to know if you... (Below threshold)
Kat:

Jake- I want to know if you are going to ask that question #3 again as SCSIwuzzy has provided the answer- One may be annoyed, even angry, when your neighbor allows his dog to poop on your doorstep. When the house is sold and the new owner promises it will never happen again, and then proceeds to dump a truckload of manure on your door... yeah, the level of outrage goes UP.
Or you will you pretend you are stupid and ignore that The One tripled the debt as compared to Dubya? How does that kool-aid taste?

Like I said in my comment, ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Like I said in my comment, the left will come out and make vile references to the Tea Party's and sure enough, Jake did it.

Jake, you are new here but had you been here at the time of GW Bush, you would know we did not like all the spending, the immigration, etc. We know how to critique our own. ww

Jake has had many meanings ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Jake has had many meanings in slang over the years. On the Right Coast it still often means something positive, but out here on the left coast, its not a positive term at all. Seems an appropriate nom de plume.

Hugh:You fail to a... (Below threshold)
James H:

Hugh:

You fail to address one crucial factor in California's budget muck-up: the role of direct initiatives. As the New York Times puts it:

The ballot initiative process -- in which legislators or independent groups ask voters to mandate how the state's money is spent or not spent -- has become at times an exercise in fiscal self defeat, with voters moving to earmark money for one special program one year, only to contemplate undoing their own will a few elections later.

This initiative process places serious strains on the state budgeting process because it mandates certain budget priorities -- even at a time when those priorities might be unaffordable or inadvisable!!

I will grant that I lack an intimate familiarity with California politics, but the state's ballot initiative process strikes me as a highly undesirable way to run a government.

@epador - I don't know exac... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@epador - I don't know exactly what you're trying to imply, but Jake is my actual, real life name, so I ask you to stow whatever insult you're trying to brew up.

To the teabagging point - What I know is that I hear a lot of coverage about tea bags and then I had *conservative* friends start saying "teabaggers" (not knowing the subtext) well before the MSM started using it. I'll look more into the timeline and sources of this, because I'd like think it wasn't MSM that made that (fairly obvious) switch more pronounced.

I still maintain that if the message had been better constructed and presented ("It's about Taxes that's why it's on tax day!"..."It's about overspending!"... "it's about socialism!") it could have carried a more serious tone. I also think that if Fox News hadn't co-opted it, it would have made it much further in the minds of normal people.

As far as the dog poop on the front stoop vs. a dump truck of manure... I think that's a bit too simplistic of an analogy to be worthwhile. I understand the point, and I agree that if that's all we were looking at, it'd not only make sense it'd be completely scary.

But throw into that analogy the fact that the initial poop was flaming and caught the house on fire. To ensure the house doesn't burn down, you get the closest thing to you to douse the flames: A truckload of manure.

The question is, of course: Did the dumping of manure light off a bigger fire, douse the flames and stop the fire saving the house and the possessions inside, or stop the fire but leave a mess behind that takes longer to clean up than had the house burned down and you rebuilt?

I don't know the answers to this question, nor do any of the rest of you. Because it's a different course of action than you're happy with, and because this is a different president than you're happy with, you're assuming the doom and gloom scenario options, and those options alone. You're disdain for the President causes you to be unable to see that maybe, just maybe, this spending will help, not harm the country and the economy.

If Obama had not put the mo... (Below threshold)
JC Hammer:

If Obama had not put the money amount of the cost of two wars into the budget, the actual increase was not that much.

I do agree that all of these taxes/and soon to be taxes are wrong. We have the right to protest them. But the tea party/baggers did not help themselves when, not just a anti war sign, but other signs were shown on the media about other things than taxes.

Hopefully if there are any more anti tax protests, all the signs will be about taxes. One of the above posts talks about defeating an increase in sales tax and the state elected idiots still want to increase it.

That happens in damn near every state, if not taxes, then it's fee's that are put on items. When is it going to stop. Do we keep borrowing and spend like some admins have done, or tax and spend like some admins have done? It doesn't matter what party is in charge, we get screwed all the time.

I was a camera man for PJTV... (Below threshold)
Rudy Yarbrough:

I was a camera man for PJTV (Pajama TV) and went to the Atlanta Tea Party to take photos of the event. It was one of the nicest group of people that I have ever been involved with in my life. It was made up of all races and ages from babies in strollers to aged people in wheel chairs and they were all there for one reason, to protest where the government is taking the country and how it is going to pay for it! There were a few local politicians there to speak but they were not loudly applauded except for one. He was a local Black pol and he was livid at the government for lieing to us about spending and taking our hard earned money. He got a loud and warm reception. Let the MSM continue on with this "Tea bagging" crap. California is the biggest Tea Party yet!!!!

Jake gave a very nice attem... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jake gave a very nice attempt at rewriting the history of the Tea Party's. Tea bags came into the picture by a lot of citizens mailing tea bags to their representatives.

The protests were mostly against wasteful spending and at the same time increasing taxes. It was on "tax day" to make a statement.

Now, it was the MSM that not only made fun of the protesters but used the vile terminology of "teabagging". That is how disrespectful the MSM is of anyone that does not fall in line with their ideology.

Jake, check your time line before you write your drivel. ww

California is a great examp... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

California is a great example of what can happen to a state when liberalism is allowed to run rampant. Practically everyone I know from there is very liberal and vote blindly for Democrats for every single election.

Now the reality has hit hard, and the people are saying that they are sick and tired of what is going on.

Will they make the connection between Democratic Socialist Party policies and their problems? I hope so.

Schwarzennegar is a RINO. He's a prime example of why moderate Republicanism doesn't work. It's Democrat-lite and it is a failure. (Add a RINO to a Democratic Party controlled legislature and you've got one great big mess.)

The seeds of fiscal conservatism are obviously taking root in California which is why the media is fighting back by distorting the truth. The media is corrupt and liberal.

I hope that conservatives in the state will be able to seize the moment to now reach a willing electorate who are more open than ever to fiscal conservatism. Its possible, quite possible, that conservatives can now make great inroads in the state.

Something else to remember,... (Below threshold)
James H:

Something else to remember, I think. I know the view is unpopular around here, but lower taxes aren't the be-all and end-all of everything.

Here in my home state of Virginia in the last decade and a half or so, I've seen businesses decline to locate facilities in Virginia towns. Local leaders would extend various tax breaks, etc., etc., but businesses would refuse to set up shop because the local educational system was subpar.

JakeDumping a truckl... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Jake
Dumping a truckload of manure on a small flaming pile is an overreaction. Will there be a few that think it is a smart idea? Yes but for them not to understand why many others would be upset about it shows there lack of ability to understand. There were those in that support the tea party protest that didn't like the excess spending during GWB years. There were those that may have tolerated some dept spending but not the massive increase that Obama has. Why is that so hard for some to understand?

It is similar to credit card debt. A few percent like me don't like any balance being carried forward. A larger percent don't like carrying a medium balance forward. A greater percent don't like carrying a very large balance forward.

Oyster, Maybe the pr... (Below threshold)

Oyster,
Maybe the protesters should start videoing
the media when they do show up, to document
their actions. This would be a good tool,
to the protesters advantage.

JamesH,So all the ... (Below threshold)
SER Author Profile Page:

JamesH,

So all the businesses decided to move to California because the education system is so good? Since you mention businesses, let's see how the US Chamber of Commerce ranks the states. Virginia is ahead of California:
http://www.uschamber.com/icw/reportcard/default

The tea parties did a lot t... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

The tea parties did a lot to draw enough attention to make people sit up and take notice. It will always be a majority that really takes it seriously and takes the initiative to look after what they believe to be rightfully theirs. Primarily, hard earned money that the government sticks their big ugly claws into. The msm is there to manipulate the appearance of any situation and move it in favor of the people that own them.

Whatever "we the people" can use to get the attention of taxpayers is better than nothing.

correction, *it will always... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

correction, *it will always be the minority

I'll look more int... (Below threshold)
I'll look more into the timeline and sources of this, because I'd like think it wasn't MSM that made that (fairly obvious) switch more pronounced.

Jake,

Here's a good place to start.

Rachel Maddow, MSNBC.

Roll the tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLsKt4O4Yw8

Jake, Manure is hot ... (Below threshold)

Jake,
Manure is hot and flammable. So is wet hay
when it's baled and stacked.

I have participated in a tea party, I am not
a tea bagger.
Professing ignorance of what has been main
stream media misbehavior on the insults about
those who have protested doesn't fly.

And the protests are about many things wrong,
illegal, and immoral about the government.
It's a true grassroots movement, the most
honest kind of movement of the people.
A huge portion of the population are angry.

SER:The survey you... (Below threshold)
James H:

SER:

The survey you cite does not directly address the point that I raised. The Chamber of Commerce surveys education systems at the state level, while my point was mostly confined to local level school systems.

On a similar vein, I should point out that school systems in Virginia vary widely; Northern Virginia is of an almost entirely different character than the rest of the state.

Let's see if Jake will man ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Let's see if Jake will man up and say the left wing MSM was intentionally putting down the protesters and using a vile profane action in regards to the protests. Tick,tick,tick. ww

Jake,To make your tw... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Jake,
To make your twist on the analogy I presented still work, the truckload of manure would have to be on fire as well.
Remember, you wanted to know why we are so much more angry with Obama giant pile of poo than we were with Bush's shovel worth of poo.

Now, can you explain why in your view, the smaller pile of poo is so much more dangerous (by changing it to flaming poo) than the sudden truckload that came along with the new boss?

Or is a little bit of poo from Bush just that much more offensive to you?

"But the tea party/bagge... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"But the tea party/baggers did not help themselves when, not just a anti war sign, but other signs were shown on the media about other things than taxes."

I already addressed that issue. First, the person holding the anti war sign was a counter-protester.

It was a deliberate attempt by the media to paint the gatherings as an unorganized effort full of whining about something silly. The media declared what the agenda was and then went about delegitimizing it and waxing trivial about real concerns of real people.

As far as the "teabagging" comments and Jake's claim that his conservative friends referred to them as "teabaggers" first; one might consider that there's a huge difference between me using self-deprecatory humor and describing myself as a dumb Irish chick and someone else known for their dislike of the Irish disdainfully calling me a dumb Irish chick.

The media surely wasted no effort in pointing out and ridiculing all the over-the-top signs in the many anti-war protests over the last eight years; the beheaded Bush, the Bush-Hitler references, etc. They also didn't see any need in pointing out all the people in these groups who had many and varied complaints unrelated to the war. Yet they were taken aback by any reference to Obama and fascism. Their indignation was well verbalized.

You can't control everyone's speech. But it's also highly disingenuous and dishonest to act as if anyone not regurgitating the same words as everyone else is indicative of "disorganization" and a lack of a cohesive message.

With everything that we've seen, do you really think that if there were one central figure that these people rallied around the same media wouldn't set about destroying that person? They have a long and sordid past of doing exactly that.

Actually Oyster,I qu... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Actually Oyster,
I question the notion that Jake has conservative friends, given his style of discourse when he doesn't agree with another party. Maybe friends that are more conservative then he happens to be is the meaning.


It's worth noting that the ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

It's worth noting that the rejection of higher taxes to cover government spending was in one of the bluest of blue states.

JamesH,I am sorry.... (Below threshold)
SER Author Profile Page:

JamesH,

I am sorry. I believed that your point was that high taxes are necessary for good educational systems. Since this was a discussion of the California tax proposition defeats, I believed that you were supporting higher taxes for education on the state level. If your point is that high taxes = better education, I would appreciate a link to your supporting evidence. If your point is that education should be funded at the local level because that is more efficient than at the state or federal level, I would agree. What is the point you are trying to make?

My point is something of a ... (Below threshold)
James H:

My point is something of a tautology -- that (higher, lower, what have you) taxes are necessary to produce quality government services. It's a bit of an obvious point, but I think it gets lost sometimes in ongoing rhetoric about government spending.

My subpoint about businesses is that when a business evaluates placing a new facility, it doesn't just look at taxes. It examines tax rates among other factors, including the quality of the local school system and the quality of the local infrastructure.

When you raised the Chamber of Commerce study, I pointed out to you that the study appeared to take into account state-level assessments of educational quality, but it did not appear to account for the variation of local school systems across a state.

Here in Virginia, for example, the northern region, Fairfax County in particular, has a stronger educational reputation than counties in southern Virginia.

The approximate 60... (Below threshold)
The approximate 60/40 rejection by California voters yesterday of the above noted initiatives carried with it the mathematical certainty that many of those voters saying "no" were Obama voters in 2008

As best I can find, the voter turnout was 23%. Therefore it is possible that no voters voted for then candidate Obama and against these ballot measures. Therefore this statement is inaccruate.

James H, if higher taxes le... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

James H, if higher taxes lead to better services, explain the public school system.

SCSIwuzzy:No. I did... (Below threshold)
James H:

SCSIwuzzy:
No. I didn't say "higher taxes." I said "taxes." As in, you need to pay the teachers and principals if schools are to function.

As best I can find... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:
As best I can find, the voter turnout was 23%. Therefore it is possible that no voters voted for then candidate Obama and against these ballot measures. Therefore this statement is inaccruate.

Mathmatically possible? Yes. Probable? No.

Jake, the idiot:<i... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Jake, the idiot:

1. Childish jokes about the teabagging term (a sexual term that seemed like a poorly researched choice for a potential movement)

2. Marginally effective debate about the issues that teabaggers were bringing up.

3. Questions about why the teabaggers are suddenly concerned about spending in the face of nary a peep of 8 years of intense Bush spending. (Personally I'm still waiting on the answer to this from anyone)

1. The movement was the "Tea Party", the T-bag epithet was applied by the MSM and the Left (sorry for the redundancy). Next tea party is scheduled to be on July 4.

2. Quite effective, thank you.

3. Peruse the archives of this blog and others on the right...there has been PLENTY of howling about the spending from the Rs and the Ds, starting with the "Prescription Plan" onward.

"I also think that if Fo... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"I also think that if Fox News hadn't co-opted it, it would have made it much further in the minds of normal people."

You may prefer to see it as Fox news "co-opting" it. I saw it as Fox news seeing the writing on the wall in advance. They clearly saw (as many of us did) other news agencies preferring to ignore it until they couldn't any more. So they gave it the coverage it deserved. Then other news programs acted disgracefully when they finally did cover it.

And nice aside there: "normal people".

Crap, I hit submit too soon... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Crap, I hit submit too soon.

Because clearly, "normal people" are turned off by Fox news.




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