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BREAKING - Another NorK Nuke Test

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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea claimed it carried out a powerful underground nuclear test Monday - much larger than one conducted in 2006 - in a major provocation in the escalating international standoff over its rogue nuclear and missile programs.

Pyongyang announced the test, and Russia's Defense Ministry confirmed an atomic explosion at 9:54 a.m. (0054 GMT) in northeastern North Korea, estimating the blast's yield at 10 to 20 kilotons - comparable to the bombs that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The regime also test-fired three short-range, ground-to-air missiles later Monday from the same northeastern site where it launched a rocket last month, the Yonhap news agency reported, citing unnamed sources. The rocket liftoff, widely believed to be a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology, drew censure from the U.N. Security Council.

North Korea, incensed by the condemnation of the April 5 rocket launch, had warned last month that it would restart its rogue nuclear program, conduct an atomic test and carry out long-range missile tests.

On Monday, the country's official Korean Central News Agency said the regime "successfully conducted one more underground nuclear test on May 25 as part of measures to bolster its nuclear deterrent for self-defense."

President Barack Obama said a nuclear test would constitute an act of "blatant defiance" of the U.N. Security Council and a violation of international law, and only further isolate North Korea.

North Korea's claims "are a matter of grave concern to all nations," he said, calling for international action in a statement from Washington. "North Korea's attempts to develop nuclear weapons, as well as its ballistic missile program, constitute a threat to international peace and security."

More from Reuters, BBC News, and CNN.

This latest test appears to demonstrate a dangerous escalation in North Korea's nuclear weapons technology. North Korea's first nuclear weapons test in October 2006 is generally considered to have been a "fizzle," as it yielded less than 1 kiloton. North Korea is the world's most isolated nation, and it goes without saying that with virtually no contact with the outside world, their engineers and physicists would have a difficult time with a complicated task like building a working nuclear weapon. Which makes me wonder ... have the North Koreans secretly obtained help from another nuclear nation -- perhaps Russia?

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But I thought it was a "new... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

But I thought it was a "new day". I thought Obama could reason with this guy and the Iranian. Is it possible that N. Korea and Iran don't care that a democrat is in the White House? You lefties have fooled yourselves into thinking these kooks and terrorists only hate republicans. Welcome to the real world. ww

How truely not good...... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

How truely not good...

I wonder what it'll be - "Give us food and oil, or Japan gets it"? Or "Leave us alone or we'll nuke anyone coming near"?

If the latter - then let them stew in their own juice. If the former... Obama's not ready for this sort of mess, not if the US is supposed to take the lead in dealing with them.

JlawsonI doubt tha... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jlawson

I doubt that they will do anything but saber rattle. If they attack anyone ie Japan, the fallout is going to blow back on themselves, Russia and China so that is a no win deal. In addition, it gives the US an excuse to wipe out their military capability (not invade) just blow shit up like their nuclear facilities, army bases, etc.

NK may try to attack SK if we retaliate against them but they would lose. Their soldiers are about the only thing well fed in the country and the infastructure cant support a war. THey use probably 15-20% of their GDP to sustain their military force. THey wont nuke the South as that would create dissention in the NOrth (along with what they already have) and why nuke the country you really want to try to take over for its farms, factories and infrastruture.

NK is like a spoiled child. They just want attention. A dangerous spoiled child but one smart enough not to cross the line unless you spank (attack it unprovoked) it.

"A dangerous spoiled child ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"A dangerous spoiled child but one smart enough not to cross the line..."

So to placate the spoiled child, the world is to continue to provide food and fuel to keep this bastard nation 'alive'?

I wonder if Obama is going ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I wonder if Obama is going to make a statement along the lines of: "Gee, how did I miss that...?", or "Hang on, guys, I have Rahm on speed dial and he's going to tell me what to say. Sit tight. Hey, I asked for cantaloupe..."

Everyone's missing the obvi... (Below threshold)
sam:

Everyone's missing the obvious point:

North Korea does not do anything that the Chinese don't want them to do.

This is another proxy battle between the US and China, another thrust in China's strategy of growing its influence in the world, another step in keeping the US and the Western world roiled.

True, sam, but the nuke was... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

True, sam, but the nuke was still in N. Korea. They have some seriously insane people behind the wheel there.

LaMedusa:For the C... (Below threshold)
sam:

LaMedusa:

For the Chinese, it is better that the nuke is still in North Korea. Keeps the US and the West pre-occupied on another front while the Chinese work to increase their influence - military strength, manufacturing base, control of global currency, control of US debt.

sam, its not the chinese th... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

sam, its not the chinese that are controlling the U.S. debt, or anyone's debt, for that matter. The chinese are playing the game like pawns for the global elite.

Kim would never sell a nuke... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Kim would never sell a nuke to anyone, would he?

I'm SURE the next bin Laden... (Below threshold)
apb:

I'm SURE the next bin Laden-type with Saudi cash to burn would NEVER think to buy 20 kilotons of death for the Great Satan...

Dont worry...... Barry's re... (Below threshold)
914:

Dont worry...... Barry's ready to respond to a 4am call with help from the prompter.

I am sure Kim Jong Il must ... (Below threshold)
Pete, Burlington, Onatrio:

I am sure Kim Jong Il must be quaking in his boots knowing that he has maddened Mr Obama. The thought of being beaten around the head with a big pink fluffy pillow until he agrees to be a good boy must be terrifying. The US has lost its teeth with Obama and we will see Iran start down the same path soon enough. I seem to remember John McCain predicting this moment?

I guess if Kim holds out during the pillow torture, they could really turn the heat up and make him read all the articles about the celebrity first couple that seem to grace the news stands. That should fix him!

Obama is not worried. He is... (Below threshold)
El Coyote:

Obama is not worried. He is confident and arrogant enough that he even killed money for National Missile Defense. What do Americans have to worry about ?

Oh boy, oh boy. We get to h... (Below threshold)
Old Moses:

Oh boy, oh boy. We get to hear our little black puppy bark some more. Been there done that !! Just talk to them Mr. Obama. No preconditions, simply tell them how bad Bush was, how you inherited this mess and bad mouth this G.D. America that you love so much. Oh, and don't forget to offer them a bail out. That'll work. They will go away happy till they want something else.

N. Korea does not make move... (Below threshold)
Deke:

N. Korea does not make moves w/o Chinese approval, we all know that and has been the case since 1953. This is the Chinese testing our resolve and response and is another move in their long term objective of a Tawain invasion.

Just hang on all, this is Carter II and the U.S. is going to suffer but hell maybe we'll get lucky and a new Reagan will appear.

As we're stuck with him for... (Below threshold)
ExSubNuke:

As we're stuck with him for the next 3 years, I sincerely hope this helps our prez. to wake the fuck up from his dream and deal with these guys in the real world.

Maybe he'll realize that now is NOT the time to cut our missile defense. Maybe he'll realize that if you fund that, then you can't fund his socialist wish list.

I can dream too, right?

In the 'world according to ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

In the 'world according to Obama' this is the perfect time to renounce the use of force. See, the world doesn't have to 'fear' us. Where it possible, I'm sure Obama would sign an executive order to the effect that all of our nuclear weapons be destroyed. See world, we're harmless now, you don't have to worry about us anymore. Let's turn on the love! BTw, if you've got kids or grandkids in school; when it comes time to learn a foreign language, screw French, German, Russian or Spanish.....it's time they learned Mandarin.

Obama has now passed the No... (Below threshold)

Obama has now passed the North Korean test!!

A+++

Yup...he has DENOUNCED their nuclear exposion!!

Naturally, the North Koreans are now in awe of Obama's amazingness...and we can expect no further trouble from them!

Are we sure two terms is ENOUGH Obama for us??

I saw on Drudge that the UN... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I saw on Drudge that the UN is now having an urgent meeting.

Boy I hope they come up with a strongly worded resolution denoucing NK's action. That will show Kim. Dont want the UN mad at you now do you.


retired military: "a str... (Below threshold)

retired military: "a strongly worded resolution"

That's how it starts...first we send a strongly worded letter, then they send one, so we escalate with late night threatening phone calls...and then they soap our windows!!

We need to stop the cycle!

21 messages and not one tro... (Below threshold)
Mark L:

21 messages and not one troll.

Amazing. Gotta be a new record.

Nuke'em whenever u feel lik... (Below threshold)
914:

Nuke'em whenever u feel like it.

Commenter # 15's referri... (Below threshold)
John S:

Commenter # 15's referring to the President of the United States as "our little black puppy" is quite charming...

Not an exact anology, to be sure. An actual puppy eventually grows up and stops wetting itself when it is frightened.

Bruce HenryYou dec... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

You decided to peep your head out of the hole you have been hiding in.. And on Memorial day at that. You know the day they have in honor of all those military folks who died so you could come on these boards and proclaim that your tax dollars are paying for their training to get a better job in civilian life.

BTW how is that apology to Kim going. You know the one that you owe her for claiming she pulled out of her ass the statement about the left hoping for dead servicemen and to kill their own officers. You still havent apologized for that.

BTW for all the military personnel who died to give you the right of free speech to spread your pablum puking bullshit I wholeheartedly say

SCREW YOU.

Justrand"That's ho... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Justrand

"That's how it starts...first we send a strongly worded letter, then they send one, so we escalate with late night threatening phone calls...and then they soap our windows!! "

No first it is strongly worded resolution, then a really strongly worded resolution, then a very very strongly worded resolution. Then the UN passes a resolution condeming their actions. THen the UN says if they do it again then they will get really tough with some sanctions. THen the UN will pass some sanctions. THen they pass a strongly worded resolution condeming their actions and threaten more sanctions.

Well you get the idea.


Then the UN piece keepers g... (Below threshold)
914:

Then the UN piece keepers go get a piece in Sudan or Kosovo or wherever "the evil that Men do" takes place? And pretend the unspeakable will never be given a voice.

Ya know, RM, I gotta say, y... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Ya know, RM, I gotta say, you have a long memory. I haven't even posted here for several weeks.

I can't remember what I'm supposed to be apologising for, but, for what it's worth, if I mischaracterized what Ms Priestap was saying, I do indeed apologise.

And just so you know, I haven't been "hiding." I've just been busy. My job description has recently changed, leaving me with less leisure time to play around on the internet.

Which is what this is, by the way....playing around. It means, in the larger scheme of things, nothing at all.

Oh, and screw you, too.

Civility was never your strong suit, RM.

Bruce Henry"Civili... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

"Civility was never your strong suit, RM. "

Civility with leftist idiots never solved anything. I dont believe that impugning the service of personnel in the military by stating they are using your tax dollars to enhance their civilian career possibilities.

As for your apology to Kim. I stated above what you owed her one for. When you state that someone is pulling something out of their ass that is hardly mischaracterizing what they are saying.

And yes my memory is long and very good.

So again on behalf of the military who have fought and died so you can spread your manure on these boards I again say

SCREW YOU.

Wow.Same to ya.</p... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Wow.

Same to ya.

Bruce?What ... (Below threshold)
914:

Bruce?

What did You mean by "Klavern"?

Is that a mixture of "tavern" and "Klan"?

Was that an attempt to label "Wizbang conservative commenters as " Negro hating Klansmen who hangout at the local pub and have nothin better to do then talk about the a-hole in D.C. fucking us all"? If it was? ( and Im thinking thats where You were heading ) then as RM says.


SCREW U


No, 914, that was an attemp... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

No, 914, that was an attempt to insult Commenter # 15.

Not all Wizbang conservative commenters.

Although I did notice no one else called him out on it, or even cast a negative vote on his obviously offensive comment.

And screw you too.

I actually have a great dea... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I actually have a great deal of respect for Mr Drummond, Mr Lorry, Mr Lawson, and several other conservative authors and commenters here, 914.

You, RM, ww, and a couple of others? Not so much.

"Klavern" is a well-known t... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

"Klavern" is a well-known term, 914. But I wouldn't expect anyone as ignorant of US history as you to know that.

"HeroicMachoWizbangCommente... (Below threshold)
914:

"HeroicMachoWizbangCommenters" is not singular Bruce.. Its "plural" or all inclusive.

I did not even notice His comment until I read Your reference to it. So.... What is a "KLAVERN" PRAY TELL???

Ok, I get it.. Your one of ... (Below threshold)
914:

Ok, I get it.. Your one of those "sheets byrd" type lefties?

What part of US history do You wish to be schooled upon by My ignorance Mr. Henry?

The part established and bought through sweat and blood of past generations? Our the part when You showed up and everything came to a screeching halt?

This is the Chines... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
This is the Chinese testing our resolve and response and is another move in their long term objective of a Tawain (sic) invasion.

The Chinese don't really care about our resolve, because what has already been planned years ago will come right out of the blue. If we are worried about nukes, we're not aware of their actual goal and how they plan to attain it. If they nuke America, they can't live here, so what other way can they depopulate an area they want to claim for themselves under the guise of a viral outbreak?

"From a humanitarian perspective, we should issue a warning to the American people and persuade them to leave America and leave the land they have lived in to the Chinese people. Or at least they should leave half of the United States to be China's colony, because America was first discovered by the Chinese. But would this work? If this strategy does not work, then there is only one choice left to us. That is, use decisive means to "clean up" America, and reserve America for our use in a moment. Our historical experience has proven that as long as we make it happen, nobody in the world can do anything about us. Furthermore, if the United States as the leader is gone, then other enemies have to surrender to us.


Leading CCP official argues for exterminating U.S. population

The following is a transcript of a speech believed to have been given by Mr. Chi Haotian, Minster of Defense and vice-chairman of China's Central Military Commission. Independently verifying the authorship of the speech is not possible. It is worth reading because it is believed to set out the CCP's strategy for the development of China.

"Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place. According to the computation of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who knows how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go."

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

Bruce Henry"You, R... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

"You, RM, ww, and a couple of others? Not so much."

I could give a wit less about your respect Bruce. You obviously could care less about the soldiers who have fought and died for your right to free speech where you exercise it to insult them.

So in keeping with the spirit of Memorial day and in the memory of those who cant speak for themselves since they have passed on defending your right to spit on their memories,

SCREW YOU.

For those that dont know Kl... (Below threshold)
retired military:

For those that dont know Klavern refers to the a local unit of the KKK.


"For those that dont know K... (Below threshold)
914:

"For those that dont know Klavern refers to the local unit of the KKK."

Apparently Bruce espouses the verbage in daily life?

Nobody called out #15?

OK, BUT WE ARE CALLING OUT #23 Bruce "Klavern" Henry

914Bruce did state... (Below threshold)
retired military:

914

Bruce did state he was referring to commentor number 15 rather than all of us.

I didnt particularly care for the comment
"little black puppy". I doubt Old Moses would have called Obama a "little white puppy" if he was white. Puppy may be appropriate but I think the ref to Obama's race in this instance, where as it doesnt rise to a level justifying Bruce's Klan comment, was still IMO inappropriate.

I loath defending Bruce Henry but I looked at the comment several times and Bruce also clarified it later to mean only commentator 15.

That being said, Bruce Henry for all those who cant speak for themselves because they have died in military service so you could dishonor their memory with your liberal utterings regarding their service

SCREW YOU.

Agreed!And enough ... (Below threshold)
914:

Agreed!

And enough on this topic..

~Thank You for Your service~

Let me tell you something, ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Let me tell you something, RfuckingM.

My Dad served in WW2. Despite having "flat feet", being deaf in one ear, and blind in one eye, he served in the Army. He was present at the early nuke tests in Oak Ridge, and being present may have led to his death, in 1958, from Hodgkin's Lymphoma.

He was one of 5 brothers. One served in the infantry in North Africa, then Sicily, and at Anzio beachhead. Another flew tail-gunner in bombing runs over Central Europe. Another, too young to serve in combat, served in Occupied Japan after the war. The fourth served in Korea.

I grew up in a different era. My love of country was expressed in a different way than yours. Your cry was, "My country, right or wrong." Mine was, "When my government is wrong, I'll say so, loud and long."

Don't ever tell me I don't appreciate the sacrifice of veterans. I am an American, and have the right to my political opinions, as do you.

Because you call yourself "Retired Military" on an anonymous political blog, does that give you the right to question my patriotism? Your arguments should stand or fall on their own merit, and should not be given greater credence because you SAY you are "retired" from the military.

Screw you, and your holier-than-thou false patriotism.

BrucefuckingHEnryM... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BrucefuckingHEnry

My my so much for your civility.

My hats off to your father and your uncles. Stop trying to justify your words, actions, and deeds based on their service to this country.

"Because you call yourself "Retired Military" on an anonymous political blog, does that give you the right to question my patriotism?"

I never questioned your patriotism. I said you dishonored veterans who have fought and died for your right to free speech by stating that your tax dollars were being used by them to enhance their resumes for after they get out of the military. You said it, you own it.

"Your arguments should stand or fall on their own merit, and should not be given greater credence because you SAY you are "retired" from the military"

I never try to make my arguments stand or fall on anything but their own merits. In this case your argument has no merits. Please send me your address so I can mail you a check for $2 which should more than cover the share of your tax money that went towards my pay, retirement benefits, and any benefits I derived from my military training. I chose to call myself on this board and others not to give my words any extra weight but to simply describe myself and let others know where I am coming from. If your head wasnt so far up your ass counting your tax dollars going to military memembers enhancing their resume (your words not mine) you might have actually thought of that yourself.

You dont like having your words thrown up in your face then I suggest that you shut the fuck up and dont say anything.

"Don't ever tell me I don't appreciate the sacrifice of veterans. I am an American, and have the right to my political opinions, as do you."

Yeah your "my tax dollars pays" comments shows how much you appreciate veterans. Do you tell cops that stop you for a traffic ticket that your tax dollars pays for their salaries? Do you tell little kids that throw stuff in your yard that your tax dollars pays for their education. Tell your dad and uncles that your tax dollars go towards their veterans benefits and that they were just trying to enhance their resumes while they were serving.

FUCK YOU AND YOUR TAX DOLLARS.

"I grew up in a different era. My love of country was expressed in a different way than yours. Your cry was, "My country, right or wrong." Mine was, "When my government is wrong, I'll say so, loud and long.""

I will gladly say when I think the govt is wrong. That doesnt mean that I demean my country or the people who serve in the armed forces while doing so unlike so many puking liberals.

In the words of Harry Truman (whom is one democrat I actually like)

"if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"

And once again on behalf of my fellow brothers in arms

SCREW YOU

BTW Bruce HenryThe... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Bruce Henry

The US is my country good or bad. With all its acts of heroism, charity, kindness and good will and the not so pretty parts. America is perfect but it is a damn sight better than the rest of the world. The only people that seem to want to leave the US is liberals. I say good riddance, stop ruining it for the rest of us. I have yet to hear a conservative say "Obama was elected so I am leaving the country"

SO as for your accusation that my patriotism is false and holier than thou I say this

SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS AND SCREW YOU.


Bruce Henry, Beca... (Below threshold)

Bruce Henry,

Because you blog anonymously on a blog,
does not necessarily mean what you
post is true. Remember that the next time
you call another poster down.
If your father and other family
members did fight for this country, many
thanks for their service.

retired military, thanks fo... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

retired military, thanks for the posts. As a long suffering yet proud combat vet from the era where Bruce was expressing his "love of country in a different way than yours" I salute you.

It's always entertaining when the Bruces in our society attempt to draw parallels between themselves and those who served attempting to find parity yet who never actually served, sacrificed, or payed the price with sweat and blood. They opted to follow others down an easier idealogical path where fulfilling self-important whims and feeding their narcissism was the norm.

It's never REALLY been about the govt being right or wrong or how it affected others, just ask the Souith Vietnamese, the Cambodians, or any other of the approx. 3MM people slaughtered when Bruce and his pal's "love of country" won the day. It's always been about them feeling good about themselves and important in their circles. Ever wonder why they rarely ever willingly discuss the torture and death Saddam rained down on his own people? Why don't they want to talk about Islamic terrorists and their beheading of Danny Pearl or Nick Berg and other hideous crimes committed on innocents? Why don't we EVER see footage of the twin towers falling or the Pentagon burning?

They like the easy way out, you know, no objective criteria to judge yourselves against (everybody is a winner and they ALL get a trophy). The government is inherently evil unless it's giving you free shit. Your parents were/are square and work for the military industrial complex (whoa dude, don't touch my trust fund). And all while you piss and moan about how evil the US is. Bill Ayers has it right when he said "Guilty as hell, free as a bird, ain't America great"

When Harry Reid and others on the left sing a chorus declaring the war lost, called our GIs murderers, accused them of raiding villages and torturing innocents, etc. our stallwart young men and women stood in the breach, performing their duties with pride and professionalism that far outweighs that of their detractors. Much like those of us who came before them and those who came before us.

It's unfortunate the Bruces in our world rarely have the chance to be part of something so important, all-encompassing, worthwhile, and rewarding. Oh, they'll tell you their little tantrums against this or that are equally fulfilling but in the back of their minds they know better. And the best part is, we know it too.

Bruce, I assume you refer t... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Bruce, I assume you refer to the Viet Nam war as a war when our government was wrong. I am a Viet era vet. I did not serve in Viet Nam. However, the U.S. was a signer on the SEATO which called for mutual defense. Since South Viet Nam was a member of that organization and was being attacked by its communist neighbor, it was a treaty obligation for the US to come to the aid of that nation. The problem came when Democrats in office thought the war should be fought in the South, not the North. Fear of Russian and Chinese reactions kept them from exerting the full might of the US military on the enemy. The Viet Nam was was lost in the beginning because Democrats do not like fighting their brother communists.

ODA315 -One thing ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

ODA315 -

One thing I've noticed is that when folks like Bruce decide to be critical on a subject, only one point of disagreement is sufficient to cause the entire subject to be denigrated and discarded as ever being practical. (See arguments about nuclear power, for example. Once Chernobyl is raised, no further discussion of the subject is possible - they simply won't listen.)

On the other hand, when they decide to ACCEPT a subject, no amount of disagreement or real-world failure is sufficient to cause them to become critical. (See arguments about the power of the state to control medical costs, or about the beneficial aspects of the Cuban dictatorship re health care for the masses.)

If the same criteria re nuclear power were applied to health care re the Cuban model, they'd be running from it faster than Usain Bolt doing the 200 meter dash.

If the same criteria re Cuba were applied to the energy problem, the push would be to build reactors and drill damn near everywhere that looks promising for oil.

I really don't see how the two attitudes can be reconciled - but I think for long-term survival of our civilization they've got to be.

"Klavern" is a wel... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:
"Klavern" is a well-known term, 914. But I wouldn't expect anyone as ignorant of US history as you to know that.

Bruce, only people well versed in that particular aspect of history, or possibly belonged to one would just know what a Klavern is. Unless, maybe, you're a librarian that catered to a particular crowd.

Im still waiting Brucie?? W... (Below threshold)
914:

Im still waiting Brucie?? When are You gonna teach Me some good ole U.S. KKK history? I know nothing about them accept for they would wear white sheets and burn crosses. Then run to become Democrat Sinators..That about right?

Na, LaMedusa. Remember whi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Na, LaMedusa. Remember which party founded the Klan, and why. Of course Bruce knows the term, just like a Mason would identify the square and compass, a Knight of Columbus would know what a white handled sword means etc.
It is part of their history.

I guess a nerve was struck<... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

I guess a nerve was struck

Awwww. He comes back to vo... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Awwww. He comes back to vote down posts, but cannot respond.

LaMedusa"Bruce, only... (Below threshold)
retired military:

LaMedusa
"Bruce, only people well versed in that particular aspect of history, or possibly belonged to one would just know what a Klavern is. Unless, maybe, you're a librarian that catered to a particular crowd.

"

For the record, I googled it.

retired military-I... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

retired military-

I did, too, but I figured Bruce just had it immediately in his vocabulary as a seasoned participant.




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