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North Korea Tests Underground Nuclear Bomb

Remember when Joe Biden said this during the campaign?

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

And tested he is. North Korea set off an underground nuclear bomb:

President Barack Obama said on Monday that nuclear and missile tests conducted by North Korea were a "grave concern to all nations" and a legal violation that warranted action by the international community.

"North Korea's attempts to develop nuclear weapons, as well as its ballistic missile program, constitute a threat to international peace and security," Obama said in a statement after Pyongyang conducted a nuclear test and reportedly fired a short-range missile.

The nuclear test was a major diplomatic challenge to Obama at a time when he is facing a global economic crisis and working to curb Iran's nuclear enrichment program, which the West fears is aimed at producing nuclear arms but Tehran says is for energy.

Obama vowed when he took office to extend a hand to troublesome countries "willing to unclench your fist" but so far he has had little success with North Korea or Iran, which have continued to advance their nuclear programs and showed little interest in renewed dialogue.

Wow, what a shock. NoKo and Iran treat Obama like an annoying fly buzzing around their heads. He buzzes about dialog and unclenching their fists while they just swish him away and go about their business.

Update: Michael has a good post directly on top of this one, so be sure to head up there and leave a comment as well.

It seems Mr. John Bolton, a man who knows of what he speaks, predicted NoKo's nuclear test days ago. In his Wall Street Journal piece Ambassador Bolton wrote that a new nuke test is coming and when it does, Obama had better drop the six party talks as a result or, like an insolent child who runs roughshod over a meek parent who refuses to follow through on threats of discipline, North Korea will see the talks are a sham and not only will Kim Jong-Il continue with is plans but so will Iran.

If the next nuclear explosion doesn't derail the six-party talks, Kim will rightly conclude that he faces no real danger of ever having to dismantle his weapons program. North Korea is a mysterious place, but there is no mystery about its foreign-policy tactics: They work. The real mystery is why our administrations -- Republican and Democratic -- haven't learned that their quasi-religious faith in the six-party talks is misplaced.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton recently rejected "linkage" in Russia policy as "old thinking." Disagreement in one area, she argued, shouldn't prevent working on "something else that is of overwhelming importance." Whatever the merits of linkage vis-à-vis Russia, de-linking a second North Korean nuclear test from the six-party talks simply hands Pyongyang permission to proceed.

Even worse, Iran and other aspiring nuclear proliferators will draw precisely the same conclusion: Negotiations like the six-party talks are a charade and reflect a continuing collapse of American resolve. U.S. acquiescence in a second North Korean nuclear test will likely mean that Tehran will adopt Pyongyang's successful strategy.

It's time for the Obama administration to finally put down Kim Jong Il's script. If not, we better get ready for Iran -- and others -- to go nuclear.


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Comments (21)

1. Closer to the oil we nee... (Below threshold)
Harmon:

1. Closer to the oil we need.
2. In the middle of the area where the 9/11 attackers came from
3. The last time we attacked N. Korea, China joined in. Want to have a war with them dumbass?

Herman"Brains are ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Herman

"Brains are such wonderful things, conservatives. Try to use them."

Here you go dumbass.

a. NKorea is on a penisula. SKorea to the South. China to the North.

B. Nkorea has no delivery system for a nuke unless you want to talk about their jokes of a a missile.

c. Who is Nkorea going to nuke?
China? Nope
South Korea? Why nuke the land you want to take over?
Japan? Sure and the fall out hits China and Russia and pisses all of them off for what gain? nothing.

D. Iraq is the geographical center of the Middle east. It controls the majority of the water.

e. With Iraq friendly towards the US Iran is isolated and pretty much surrounded by Iraq, and Turkey.

f. If Iran gets a nuke do you honestly think they wont use it on us if they can or on Israel if they cant use it on us?

g. NKorea already had an estimated 5+ nukes from when Clinton and Albright gave them free range to cheat. The only reason why they would use one in a war is defensively, Ie Attacked.

h. Iraq is a nation state with oil resources and Saddam with a nuke could have caused a lot more trouble than NK with a nuke.

i. Radical Islam have shown that they will kill themselves for their religion. NK has not shown any such intention.

j. If we attack NK then China will definitely weigh in.

Now that you have some facts to go on, dumbass, try to use your itty bitty brain and figure out the logical course of action.

Btw HermieRemember... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Btw Hermie

Remember that Obama thinks it is just fine for us to get rid of our nukes and the rest of the world will follow.

You are as big of an idiot as he is.

Wow! GW Bush called N. Kore... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! GW Bush called N. Korea, Iran and Iraq the axis of evil, and damed if he wasn't right. No matter how you try to spin it you lefties, GW had these guys pegged. ww

RM - I take a bit of issue... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

RM - I take a bit of issue with point G:

g. NKorea already had an estimated 5+ nukes from when Clinton and Albright gave them free range to cheat. The only reason why they would use one in a war is defensively, Ie Attacked.

I can also see them using one as a means of blackmail - "Give us oil and food or Japan gets it." The fallout issue is relevant, but depending on the weather patterns the stuff's as likely to go out to sea than come back to land.

But isn't it funny how Bush should have been all unilateral about NK, while the same folks bitchin' about that are saying he should have been multilateral in Iraq? No matter what he did, it would have been the wrong thing as far as they're concerned.

JlawsonI answered ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jlawson

I answered your concern in the other thread ref fallout. WHere as it isnt as strong as some of the other points I feel it is still very relevant. IF the stuff hits China and Russia it creates problems for them. If it hits SK then it damages what they covet (the SK land, farms, and industry). In addition, a strike would give the US the reason to retaliate.

Another threat may be a NK nuke winding up in the hands of Islamist terrorists. If China wanted that to happen though they would have done it themselves. You dont see Iran, etc threatening China or Russia do you. It isnt because they like each other. It is because they know that China and Russia doesnt play by the same rules as the US.


"Another threat may be a NK... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Another threat may be a NK nuke winding up in the hands of Islamist terrorists."

Now THAT is a significant worry. I can see NK selling one for hard currency - with the provision that it NOT be used anywhere close.

Interesting times, indeed.

herman - "Just around t... (Below threshold)
marc:

herman - "Just around the same time Saddam was inviting the UN Weapons Inspectors in, North Korea was kicking them out. So who did Chimpy and the Republicans see as the bigger nuclear threat, one worthy of a war based on lies?

Correct a mind is a wonderful thing, you should use yours and not mimic your soulmate barack hussein obama: "Bush did it!"

It doesn't take too much brain power to know Bush had NKOR dismantling their nuc plant, what happens when your soulmate gets close to and into the WH?

Ya know, something called a reasonable success.

North Korean's were in Syri... (Below threshold)
kathie:

North Korean's were in Syria when Israel bombed a site.
War Iran in North Korea when it set off the bomb today? I think yes.
Is North Korea in Iran? I think yes.
North Korea also shot off a short range missile today that could cary a warhead.
Did A Q Khan help Iran and North Korea acquire nuclear knowledge, I think yes.
What North Korea knows so does Iran, North Korea has bombs, I think Iran has those bombs too. They don't have to make them from scratch.
Heads up Israel, and God bless you.

This would be a more intere... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

This would be a more interesting thread if the comment that pissed everyone off hadn't been deleted. Just sayin'......

What comment was deleted??<... (Below threshold)
914:

What comment was deleted??

Damn, U mean I missed some fun?

Bruce HenryIn case... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

In case you missed the comment on the other thread
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Bruce Henry

You decided to peep your head out of the hole you have been hiding in.. And on Memorial day at that. You know the day they have in honor of all those military folks who died so you could come on these boards and proclaim that your tax dollars are paying for their training to get a better job in civilian life.

BTW how is that apology to Kim going. You know the one that you owe her for claiming she pulled out of her ass the statement about the left hoping for dead servicemen and to kill their own officers. You still havent apologized for that.

BTW for all the military personnel who died to give you the right of free speech to spread your pablum puking bullshit I wholeheartedly say

SCREW YOU.

Right back atcha, RM.... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Right back atcha, RM.

It's a shame you feel you have to resort to this kind of discourse, Mr Retired Military Guy. You and I had a pretty good argument going about something or other on New Year's Eve. One in which I felt we were both learning something.

I can't learn anything from somebody screaming "Screw You!" at me. Can you?

I bet if I scream "Screw You!" at you 5,000 times, you won't change your mind.

Bruce Henry Civil ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

Civil discourse stops when you accuse Kim of pulling something out of her ass and then when you impugn servicemembers who have fought and died for you to say that they are spending your tax dollars on improving their civilian employment chances.

So again. You stepped over the line of civil discourse and for that I wholeheartedly say

SCREW YOU.

I haven't impugned anyone, ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I haven't impugned anyone, RM, so rightbackatcha.

Do you deny that military training and military service looks good on a resume? If so, you're taking away a great recruiting tool!

I've been in charge of hiring people before. When choosing people for leadership roles, military service was always a plus factor. Of course!

Please explain how pointing that out is "impugning" anybody's service.

And screw you, too.

Bruce Henry, You're ... (Below threshold)

Bruce Henry,
You're free to post any comment you want,
pissy ones too. Wizbang is free too, to delete,
unpublish, or disemvowel.

Apparently Bruce, You have ... (Below threshold)
Barock is an American??????:

Apparently Bruce, You have come across the wrong way on the wrong day like every other day for that matter.

I think the issue of North ... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

I think the issue of North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs is more wrapped up not in how much a threat they would pose to us or our allies with such weapons but whether they will sell these weapons to countries or terrorist groups which will in return would provide them with the hard currency and other resources to maintain their isolationist existence. This is why this is a grave problem from our perspective and why we need to give this issue a great deal of attention. If Joe Biden was ever right about anything it was his comment about Obama being tested soon after he took office and we are being tested by any number of provocative actions be they from Iran, North Korea, China and Russia. I am not feeling very comfortable and safe right now because at some point I think one of these countries is going to do more than just act with a mere show of force and the question will be what Obama does or is willing to do about it when that happens. What will Obama do if China decides to make a move on Taiwan? What if Russia reinvades Georgia - this time for keeps? What will Obama do if Iran tests a nuclear weapon or what position will he take if Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities and hostilities break out in the region? I have no idea what he will do in any of these situations and that worries me because perhaps some of these countries feel they have an opening to take advantage of our new president. It may not be long before we find out if he passes one of these tests.

Bruce HenryI deny ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce Henry

I deny nothing about how military service looks on a resume. I am simply stating that your "I pay your salary with my tax dollars comment" was spitting on the service of all veterans, including your father and your uncles.

BTW for their service and the service of everyone else whom you have impugned I wholeheartedly say

SCREW YOU.

Patrick"What will ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Patrick

"What will Obama do if China decides to make a move on Taiwan?"

Heartfelt resolution to the UN condeming the action.

" What if Russia reinvades Georgia - this time for keeps?"

Heartfelt resolution to the UN condeming the action and threats of sanctions.

" What will Obama do if Iran tests a nuclear weapon or what position will he take if Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities and hostilities break out in the region? "

Ask the UN to condemn the action in the harshet possible tones and impose sanctions.


I have no idea what he will do in any of these situations and that worries me because perhaps some of these countries feel they have an opening to take advantage of our new president."

That is like saying you are taking advantage of a prostitute after you paid her the money and she says "come on big boy"

" It may not be long before we find out if he passes one of these tests."

Well if by pass you mean does nothing then I feel you are correct.


I would think NK would be e... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I would think NK would be eager for 'sternly worded resolutions' from the UN. Toilet paper MUST be scarce in the North Korean Wonderland....

But then, no food = no need for toilet paper, right?




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