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George Tiller Murdered

Abortionist George Tiller has been murdered.

George Tiller, a Wichita doctor who was one of the few doctors in the nation to perform late-term abortions, was shot to death on Sunday as he attended church, city officials in Wichita said.

The shooting occurred at around 10 a.m. (Central time) at Reformation Lutheran Church on the city's East Side, Dr. Tiller's regular church.

Wichita police said that the shots were fired from a handgun in the church lobby during the morning service. The authorities gave few details, but said they were searching for a powder blue Taurus made in the 1990s that had been seen leaving shortly after the shooting. They said witnesses had described seeing a white man departing.

Update 3:26 PM: There is no evidence yet that a Christian is responsible for this crime, but the fever swamp is not letting facts get in the way of opinions right now:

Here's an example

Here's another from Andrew Sullivan:

Christianist terrorism is no more defensible than Islamist terrorism.

Update 4:03: An arrest.

Kim adds: If the suspect turns out to be an anti-abortion activist, this will give the Obama administration and Janet Napolitano's DHS the excuse to view all pro-lifers through the same lens as Tiller's murderer, which means pro-lifers will be labeled terrorists. Now there will be an even greater push to equate Christians with radical Islamists, as Hugh has already pointed out is taking place now. Unfortunately, there will not be a call for tolerance toward Christians as there has been for Muslims, even though 25% of young American Muslims believe suicide bombings are sometimes justified.

Dr. Tiller should have been left for the Kansas medical board to handle. His license was probably going to be revoked anyway which would have put him out of business.

Kim adds again: The National Right to Life Committee responds to Tiller's murder:

National Right to Life extends its sympathies to Dr. Tiller's family over this loss of life.

Further, the National Right to Life Committee unequivocally condemns any such acts of violence regardless of motivation. The pro-life movement works to protect the right to life and increase respect for human life. The unlawful use of violence is directly contrary to that goal.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Tony Perkins President of Family Research Council issued a statement:

We are stunned at today's news. As Christians we pray and look toward the end of all violence and for the saving of souls, not the taking of human life. George Tiller was a man who we publicly sought to stop through legal and peaceful means. We strongly condemn the actions taken today by this vigilante killer and we pray for the Tiller family and for the nation that we might once again be a nation that values all human, both born and unborn.

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By tomorrow it will be in f... (Below threshold)
MPR:

By tomorrow it will be in full volume screech,"It was a right wing ,white ,male, radical, anti-abortionist. And that should justify putting all these right wing radical conservatives on the DHS watch list!"

Anyone who murders a defens... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Anyone who murders a defenseless man is disturbed. Niether left of right or political. Mental illness knows no club. Of course the left will make much of this, but who cares what they think. May GOD have mercy on this mans soul. ww

<a href="http://www.nytimes... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:
Anyone who murders a defens... (Below threshold)
G.:

Anyone who murders a defenseless "baby" is disturbed. Neither left of right or political. Mental illness knows no club. Of course the left will make "nothing" of this, but who cares what they think. May GOD have "no" mercy on this mans soul.

corrected for you.

WildWillie: "May GOD hav... (Below threshold)

WildWillie: "May GOD have mercy on this mans soul."

Mercy? Nope. May God judge this man according to how he lived his life. If that judgement sends him straight to Hell...then so be it.

Thousands of very viable children received no mercy from Tiller.

I do NOT condone his death...I did NOT condone his life.

He's gone...and God has, by now, explained to Mr. Tiller the worthiness of his life! I do not for a second believe that Tiller likes what he heard!

Perhaps the Doctor finally ... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

Perhaps the Doctor finally got a little taste of that "helpless" feeling, huh?

MAN! I wouldn't want to be ... (Below threshold)
G.:

MAN! I wouldn't want to be that guy for nothing right now. Judgment from God.
For the left make that: Judgment from the Great Lemur.

I know he has family and all. I'm sorry for them. But he chose the job. It's gotta come back on you. You reap what you sow.

Kansas doctor George Tiller... (Below threshold)
Alex:

Kansas doctor George Tiller killed today!
WICHITA, Kansas - Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion. His clinic has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. He was acquitted in March of misdemeanor charges stemming from procedures he performed, but moments after the verdict the state's medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that are nearly identical to those the jury had rejected.
The video from the scene:Dr. George Tiller-video


Hey, Wild Willie -- the doc... (Below threshold)

Hey, Wild Willie -- the doctor wasn't defenseless. He had all those surgical instruments that he hacked up nearly full-term infants with.

I'm not going to put myself in the position of being judge and jury. That's up to God and the court system.

But given the man's reputation and penchant for destroying innocents, it was bound to happen sometime.

There are two extreme posit... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

There are two extreme positions on when human life begins. At conception on one end and the other extreme is after the child is fully out of the womb and has taken it's first breath on its own. The first extreme position depends on Christian teachings, the second extreme position depends on a belief in magic. In all other cases in modern medicine a human life exists where there's significant brain activity. That scientifically defensible standard should be applied to the unborn, which means they are humans some weeks before birth. The supreme court should revisit the issue and apply current scientifically defensible standards.

George Tiller was killed by a man who doesn't accept that a fetus magically becomes a child upon taking their first breath. Still, no individual has the right to exact justice on their own authority, and no doubt his actions will be used as propaganda against Christians by those who believe in magic.

A suspect is in custody. A ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

A suspect is in custody. A news conference is expected within the hour.

the extrememly late term ab... (Below threshold)

the extrememly late term abortion of George Tiller was, is fact, murder.

The destruction of healthy babies for $5,000 a pop was murder too.

Tiller's murderer will be tried and sentenced...maybe even executed. Tiller himself was a HERO to the abortion-on-demand crowd. Weird, huh?

It IS sad not to see univer... (Below threshold)
epador:

It IS sad not to see universal condemnation of this act of violence. This thread failing to have avoided making human judgments on this man while his body is still cooling makes a sad exposé. The telling comment "it was bound to happen sometime" says too much about Pasedena and several others here.

The world is now a safer pl... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

The world is now a safer place.

Ironic indeed.... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Ironic indeed.

One does not have to be a C... (Below threshold)

One does not have to be a Christian to abhor abortion. But it does seem odd that Tiller was killed while serving as an usher in a Christian church.


"...Christian church."... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

"...Christian church."

That would be the very definition of "misnomer."

I saw this on Gateway Pundi... (Below threshold)

I saw this on Gateway Pundit
Despite peoples' wishes, I think we're going to find out that Tiller's murderer was indeed associated, albeit on the fringes, with some sort of pro-life organization.

That association will indeed be used to tar the entirety of the pro-life movement, in precisely the same way that the entirety of Islam wasn't after 9/11, or the Left in general wasn't after a Weather Underground bombing.

I believe that this comment says everything.

As to the Christian Terrorism and the Islamic Terrorism- you are wrong. The Islamic attacks are now being termed as man made disasters...only the Christian will remain a terrorist

Christianist terrorism i... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Christianist terrorism is no more defensible than Islamist terrorism.

Well, the Dr's judgment is in God's hands, now, any way you look at it. The media and opinion pieces are to get people used to the idea that any form of extremism should be neutralized. That's why they are building the monitoring of "hate" groups.

"Today, the Project tracks more than 800 hate groups around the nation. The quarterly Intelligence Report provides comprehensive updates to law enforcement agencies, the media and the general public."

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/?source=redirect&url=splcenter.org/intelligenceproject/ip-4g1.html

The ADL is teaching law enforcement how to identify and contain these hate groups.

"Designed specifically, but not exclusively, for the law enforcement community, www.adl.org/learn will feature the League's Extremism in America: A Guide, a who's who in the hate world. " The lessons of history -- from the Holocaust to Oklahoma City -- have taught us that our best defense against extremists is offense, and that offense is awareness. The Internet gives us the ability to make this a living document," Mr. Foxman said. "It will regularly be refreshed with new entries and updated information on existing groups and individuals, as well as be available in a loose-leaf book format."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HatCr_51/3864_72.htm

If the public is conditioned to believe that extremists are all evil and are dangerous, they will have no problem with see law enforcement kicking the crap out of someone for generating civil unrest. This is just another facet of government control that is being implemented. We may never really know what lead to the Dr. being shot and killed, but the media will certainly make sure we have a sentiment about it in their favor.

*with seeing law enforcemen... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

*with seeing law enforcement...

The murder of a person is a... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

The murder of a person is a terrible crime no matter what that person may have done. This was a murder and while I think that abortion is terrible Tiller was sadly given lease by the state to practice it. We are a nation of laws and whatever you think about Tiller as a person, his murder was a crime against our laws and the laws of God who will be the one to judge him; not us.
This act was brutal and uneccessary and will be used as a club against the prolife movement. The person who did this could potentially kill more babies than Tiller ever could as this could push back the battle against abortion by years.
Trying to validate this crime in any way is wrong and counterproductive. Anyone who cares about eliminating abortion must condemn this in the strongest fashion.

OK, how long will it take b... (Below threshold)

OK, how long will it take before someone offers the "the shooter just performed an extremely late-term abortion" defense?

J.

STaylor: "Trying to vali... (Below threshold)

STaylor: "Trying to validate this crime in any way is wrong and counterproductive."

I don't see many here, or elsewhere on Conservative blogs, "validating" this. It was murder. And the man who perpetrated it will be given his day in court...something tens of THOUSANDS of children never got from Mr. Tiller.

That said...a terrible man is gone, so mourning his passing is not worth a nanosecond of my time!

STaylor, then you said: "abortion is terrible...Tiller was sadly given lease by the state to practice it"

Slavery was terrible...and yet many were given "lease by the State to practice it". Those who broke the law to free slaves are rightly hailed as heros today!

Jay Tea: "OK, how long w... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea: "OK, how long will it take before someone offers the "the shooter just performed an extremely late-term abortion" defense?"

Well, it's not a defense, but by my calculation Tiller was in his 272nd Tri-Mester of life. Does that help?

It's terrorism and it will ... (Below threshold)
markg8:

It's terrorism and it will continue I guess until someone shoots Bill O'Reilly, Randall Terry, and James Dobson in both arms,(1993 attack on Tiller) bombs their offices (1986), blockades their offices (1991), cuts the wires to their security systems, chops holes in their office roofs and plugs up the drainage system, (last month), mounts protests at their churches, homes, and offices (repeatedly) and finally walks into the vestibules of their respective churches while they're serving as ushers handing out church bulletins, with their wives upstairs singing in the choir, and shoots them to death, in the face so that witnesses will have to tell the police who the victims are, just like Tiller.

Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors who perform legal abortions by will cease.

Yup, right on cue here come... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Yup, right on cue here comes an asshat blaming higher profile rightwing folks like O'Reilly, etal.

You forgot to mention the multitude of living children the good doctor snipped, ripped, sliced, and sawed into small pieces. I'm thinking many may have taken their first and last breaths simultaneously wile screaming in agony.

But it's a womans "right" and the good doctor was just performing a service, right markg8?

Best understand one thing asshats, all the SCOTUS rulings and other man's laws can't be hid behind on the day you stand before your maker.

Stuff it markg8.Le... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Stuff it markg8.

Leftiest have spiked trees, set bombs, protested at personal residences. Don't try to act the innocent. This whole affair is neither left or right. It is plain wrong perpetrated by a deranged person. Maybe a jilted lover? Someone he owes money to? All reasonable conclusions with no evidence. ww

"This will give the Obama a... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"This will give the Obama administration and Janet Napolitano's DHS the excuse to view all pro-lifers through the same lens as Tiller's murderer, which means pro-lifers will be labeled terrorists."

Like that's an exclusive club.

Welcome to the 'new' world order where you are judged by your associations. To bad the MSM missed out on their opportunity to be on the ground floor of this as they totally failed to do any background investigation into 'The Won' and his close associates.

Those who perform abortions... (Below threshold)
Norris Hall:

Those who perform abortions are baby killers.
Baby Killers must be stopped at all costs
Therefore all who believe that abortionists are baby killers must agree that Tillers "execution" was justified.
Some Abortion opponents are trying to say that they do not approve of violence to stop abortionists.
Yet who would stand by and watch his neighbors kids being murdered and not take action...violent action??

markg8: "Then maybe, jus... (Below threshold)

markg8: "Then maybe, just maybe, the kind of disgusting violent rhetoric by the likes of these goons against doctors who perform legal abortions by will cease."

gee, markg8, you're really gonna miss ole Doc Tiller, eh?

He was murdered...granted. And his murderer will face justice.

Murder Incorporated (or whatever Tiller's abortion practice was called) will need to find a new executioner. Someone new for you to worship. But relax, markg8, they'll find them!

DO you think it was ... (Below threshold)
Indie:


DO you think it was a pro-lifer who killed him.

Norris Hall"Theref... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Norris Hall

"Therefore all who believe that abortionists are baby killers must agree that Tillers "execution" was justified.
"

Two wrongs dont make a right. As loathe as I am to abortion, I am just as loathe to murder. The doctor was not innocent like the babies he killed but at the same time it was up to society to judge him and if so decreed execute him. When you pick and choose the laws you follow anarchy follows. That is what the left always seems to forget. They remember "the law" only when it fits their needs to do so.

Whoever murdered him should be brought to justice and I hope gets the needle as well.

"If Tiller was slain bec... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

"If Tiller was slain because of his work, he would be the fourth U.S. physician killed by abortion opponents since 1993."

Four doctors in 16 years, each murder roundly condemned by leading abortion opponents. Truly the "Christian terrorists" are on a rampage.

Too bad the killer didn't m... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Too bad the killer didn't murder a cop instead. Now there is someone the left could rally behind.

Justrand"Slavery was... (Below threshold)
STaylor:

Justrand
"Slavery was terrible...and yet many were given "lease by the State to practice it". Those who broke the law to free slaves are rightly hailed as heros today!"

I am fully against abortion but attacks such as this are, as I said, wrong and counterproductive. Whether we like it or not Tiller was doing a practice which is legal. Killing him does not make a difference, there will always be another abortionist to take his place. All this killing will do is create bad publicity for the prolife movement and allow it to be tainted by guilt through association.
You were right that slavery was another gross wrong that was allowed by the state; and it was a wrong that ended up being solved by violence. Are you saying that we should all strive to be the John Browns of our time? The Civil War left half a million Americans dead. Is that how we should end abortion? Or should we instead try to use peaceful and legitimate means that do not involve the slaughter of our fellow citizens?
Some will say that I am overstating the case; but if you say (and some on this thread are) that violence against this one doctor was legitimized by the legal activity he performed then you are saying that violence againt the state that allows the activity is also justified. Until you are ready to rebel against the US Government over abortion then reason, compassion, debate, legislation and protest must be your tools.

"Today's event is an uns... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

"Today's event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George's friends and patients. This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace," The Tiller family said.

I cannot help but point out the irony in this statement. What more peaceful, secure sanctuary exists on this earth but that of a baby in the womb? Unless some evil intruder breaches its safety.

I cannot help but point out... (Below threshold)
G.:

I cannot help but point out the irony in this statement. What more peaceful, secure sanctuary exists on this earth but that of a baby in the womb? Unless some evil intruder breaches its safety.

36. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | May 31, 2009 8:12 PM |

My sentiments exactly.

Jeff Blogworthy...your comm... (Below threshold)

Jeff Blogworthy...your comments are stellar! I'm going to copy them, with credit, over at my blog. Thank you!

The sun will still rise tom... (Below threshold)
914:

The sun will still rise tomorrow.

Sadly, the White-male-on-Wh... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Sadly, the White-male-on-White-male crime spree continues unabated.

Adrian Browne, it's because... (Below threshold)

Adrian Browne, it's because "White Males" are so stoooooooopid...just ask Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court!

Mr.Browne, Are you ... (Below threshold)

Mr.Browne,
Are you attempting to use Wizbang to google
bomb this man by associating him with Tea Parties?
Tea Parties have nothing to do with the crime
Mr.Roeder is alleged to have committed.
Don't do this again.

Did you know the Patriot Ac... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Did you know the Patriot Act expanded the definition of terrorism to include domestic terrorism, thus enlarging the number of activities to which the USA PATRIOT Act's expanded law enforcement powers can be applied. Patriot Act Title II: Enhanced Surveillance Procedures, does exactly what it's title states. It grants increased powers of surveillance to various government agencies and bodies.

I'm not sure if waterboarding can be used on members of Pro-Life Groups that are suspected of being involved. I would imagine it would be O.K. if there was chatter indicating another terrorist act was about to be carried out.

My MY, when I read G "But h... (Below threshold)
Tom M:

My MY, when I read G "But he chose the job. It's gotta come back on you. You reap what you sow."
I know the person writing it is as disturbed as the man who pulled the trigger. You may as well stop pretending G and just tell people you wish it were you who pulled the trigger. You did, virtually.
Tiller is dead, that's a fact. You say he "murdered Babies." That's an opinion.

The stupid ass doctor was a... (Below threshold)
914:

The stupid ass doctor was armed with college stupidity 101

Do unto others, as you would haver others, do unto You!!


Ryan - It is you who are th... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Ryan - It is you who are the fascist. You abortion zealots are so enamored with the practice that you would force doctors and nurses to perform it against their will. How statist and Nazi-like.

Ryan"Christiano-fa... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Ryan

"Christiano-fascists should be dealt with permanently and severely if this nation is to remain strong."

Your comments show you to be an idiot.

4 doctors killed in 15 years? Yet the nation is to survive only if "Christiano-fascists "
are dealt with permanently and severely?

Mass murderers are coddled by the left but "Christiano-fascists" are to be dealt with permanently and severely ?

You are a joke.

Hardened criminals are to be given every consideration but if someone is against the altar of abortion than call them "Christiano-fascists" and think they should be "dealt with permanently and severely.

Since you feel that the murderer of TIller is indicative of prolife folks than I can safely conclude using your reasoning abilities that that typical Obama voter has your reasoning skills. Which explains why we are in so much trouble as a nation.

Tiller the Killer is now wi... (Below threshold)
greg:

Tiller the Killer is now with his buddies satan, hitler and stalin. I cant believe A CHRISTIAN CHURCH would allow this Killer of Babies to be a usher there.

My guess Greg is that if th... (Below threshold)
914:

My guess Greg is that if they really were a "Christian church" they would have compassion and understanding especially upon the wicked and lost. I however, have no such sanctimonius respect for the wicked.

Given the Lutheran church's... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Given the Lutheran church's squishy position on abortion, it is not surprising that he was welcome in a given church.
http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/Social-Issues/Social-Statements/Abortion.aspx

However, being welcome in one Lutheran parish/church doesn't mean you wouldn't get a very cold shoulder in another.

I can only imagine t... (Below threshold)


I can only imagine that the man who shot Tiller was acting under his own distorted version of beliefs being fed to him by his religion and whatever media outlets that may have coincided with those religious beliefs.

In my opinion; he acted no differently that an Al Qaeda follower or suicide bomber might have acted.

I'm not blaming religion per se, but sometimes when you mix ideology with an unstable mind these things happen.

Ironically, this does nothing to promote the so-called "Pro-Life" movement.

Whether you believe in a woman's right to choose or not; this is not the answer.

Ryan"Christiano-fa... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Ryan

"Christiano-fascists should be dealt with permanently and severely if this nation is to remain strong.""

Two people were shot at a recruiting office in ARK today. Code pink-fascists should be dealt with permanently and severely if this nation is to remain strong."




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