People like you who call Dr. Tiller a murderer and such have NO idea what it's like to be 7 months pregnant with a WANTED and LOVED baby and find out that that baby has a defect causing him to have no brain and no chance of survival, then finding out that even giving birth to this baby has a high chance of killing you too. Who helps us? It's certainly not people like you - it's people like Dr. Tiller, people who face violence and threats, yet continue to devote themselves to helping women rather than sitting back and judging strangers.

It must be nice living in your sheltered little world where everything is black and white and you never, ever have to make agonizing decisions.

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I will forever miss Dr. Tiller - a friend and someone who respected and believed in womens right to choose. I thank him for his services. Prays go out to him and his family. God Bless!

Whoa, crazed abortion lovers spamming Wizbang. A whole new class of drive by trolls jumping in to take potshots. Very weird to listen to strangers blathering here about what they imagine someone else is considering within the privacy of his own mind. Some people are just like that, assuming they know everything about strangers who have said something that they do not like and they then hold forth on all the other things they 'assume' that person must be thinking. Very strange indeed.

Assuming that you know what the writer thinks about anything at all is just an exercise in empty rhetoric, an idiotic assumption on the part of someone who sounds a little too hot under the collar. Almost. . . . violent in their ranting.

Marie, your argument would have more merit if examples like yours were the rule rather than the exception.

Planned Parenthood's own numbers illustrate that here in the US, greater than 9 out of every 10 abortions are performed for personal reasons, NOT due to health concerns or rape.

As I have previously blogged with regard to rape:

We live in a secular society, so we would be in error if we completely omitted the option to terminate a pregnancy that was conceived through violent circumstances. But at the same time, encouraging abortion in such a circumstance, or simply assuming that abortion is the only course of action, is also wrong.

And I hold that same view with respect to poverty and birth defects. Most reasonable people agree that an abortion procedure should be an option if a mother's life is truly in danger. But instead of making abortion a rare last resort, the abortion industry has promoted it as the best, easiest, and simplest way to "solve" unwanted pregnancies.

As human beings, we are so attracted to our own subjective standard of "perfection" that we naturally shudder at the notion of being saddled with an "imperfect" child. Secular society expects us to consider our own presumed happiness as a far more sensible pursuit than wasting our lives nurturing a life that may have less potential than our own. But when we choose to make killing those among us who are both imperfect and helpless our primary way of freeing ourselves from inconvenient burdens, then we have ceased doing the will of God.

The Bible that I have read and cherished for decades plainly teaches that Christians are to place the needs of "the least" at the top of our priority list. Such a sacrificial act separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom and, in my opinion, reaffirms the image of God that is uniquely a part of mankind.

Marie, it appears you were born without a brain and survived. Alway find the exception. I wonder how many of the late term murders you think are justified at the whim of the pregnant female would fit the situation you describe. Marie, do you favor post natal abortion and if not, why not?

My heart aches that there are so many people out there who have eyes but can't see. I think at one point in my life I was one of those people. I was a Christian who didn't get the whole picture. I thought i was perfect in gods eyes because I compared my self to others and i judge judge judged. I thought I knew what was right based on the spoken word of others not on the spoken word of God. I never listened to my own heart, what God was really telling me. I was listening to everyone else. God is a much more forgiving and loving that so many people are giving Him credit for. I work at a Planned Parenthood right now that provides controversial procedures that save thousands of women's lives. I have seen women in devastating situations make the most difficult decisions of their lives. Some are battered and have been raped. Many of these women are devoutly religious and understand that God gives everyone a second chance and a new beginning. Working in delivery rooms in a low income hospital I have also seen the devastating effects of unwanted children many with drug-induced complications being birthed into hopelessly terrible situations. That second chance is much more distant in their dear little futures. And yes, I have shared the tears and pain with close friends who perhaps made the wrong choice by ending a pregnancy and helped them along a very difficult moral battle that they share with God. Their second chance involves making better choices in the futre. Until you have been there you do not understand how different life is for someone who is not you. As a bystander in a situation in which you have no first hand experience whatsoever, let alone a vagina and a womb, must take things into your own hands and support the ideals of a real murder, one that is actually condemed in the bible, exhibits how people in your realm of thought ignore God's power and love. I say thought because technically you can't even really characterize your writings as beliefs, since they are written so "factually" as if you are not taking a side. Honestly what I see when I read smut like this is a hypocritical sin. God wants us to be nonjudgmental and loving of our neighbors. Does murdering our neighbors in an assumed moral battle, one which is not ever mentioned in the bible make any sense whatsoever? No it doesn't. I am praying that one day your eyes will be uncovered to the real world that god wants us to live in. One in which we listen to his world, not some brain washing that you grew up in. Peace and Love. God bless Dr. Tiller's friends and family.

And PS, it's not the privacy of your own mind when you place it on the internet. Last time I checked this is the first thing that comes up in google. Welcome to 2009.

Partying is such sweet sorrow!

oops, I meant parting??

Romans 13 is a chapter in the bible famous for the treatise "submit to the governing authorities." Christians are to submit to just and unjust governments alike unless they command us to do that which is against the laws of God. Since Christ's kingdom is not of this earth, those instances are fairly narrow. Typically they consist of prohibitions against proclaiming the truth of God's word. Stephen was stoned for violating "speech codes."

914, your comment about partying is very callous. Mr. Tiller was an evil man who met a tragic end. The descent of the lost into hell in no cause for celebration.

To all who want to paint every Christian with the same brush as Scott Roeder, shame on you. The bomb toting Mr. Roeder is obviously atypical of the Christian community. Some of you are actually posting here claiming to be Christians who support abortion - but your "us v. them" mentality belies your words. You too are atypical examples of Christians. In fact, you have far more in common with Mr. Roeder himself than you do with the Christian community, but are too blind to see.

P.S. CNN lyingly reports that the medical conscientious objection clause does not apply to abortion, listing tangential issues to make the issue more palatable to the uninformed. The reality is that the issue is primarily about abortion. Reuters does a more honest reporting job.

Sorry. The above post was meant for the other thread.

This violence in inexcusable. What I find intersting is the lack of birth control for men.

As always, disgusting comments. No one should support Christian terrorists.

jp2,

no one should support wife beating. When will you stop?

What is the most shameful is the left on this site taking advantage of a mentally ill person's action to score cheap political points. There the shame lies. ww

Could this be considered abortion in the last trimester of life?

Hmmm, looks like Keeley and Marie have been able to bring the debate to a whole new level by sharing actual hands on reality based experience.

It gives pause for one to reflect upon the ranting by those who have never had to personally deal with the subject at hand. Of course that likely will not stop the pressure brought to bear by those who have not had to make such decisions.

Why don't we just start pressuring all men to have vasectomies if they want to stop abortions.

Step up guys, no more passing the buck.

Maybe that fetus from " its alive" came back and possesed Roeders body?

"Why dont we just start pressuring all men to have vasectomies if they wish to stop abortions."

Thats all well and good for responsible men. But the ones feeding the abortion mills are irresponsible self centered jacasses that would never subject themselves to common sensical solutions such as that.

Indie,
Margaret Sanger and the other Eugenics proponents would be so proud of you.

SCI,

Whatzammatta.....you think you think only the goose should be responsible for reducing abortions.

If men are the ones shouting down the women maybe they ought to see to it that their own gender take the reins. This doesn't have to be selective. I'm advocating for All men to be sterilized. That way they can make sure women aren't making decisions that they disppprove of. I mean this way you can assume control over women with no muss no fuss.

How about it bucko?

And you're so sure that everyone that opposes abortion, or at least here, is a man?

I agree with Indie.. the women like her are too stupid to know what they're doing, so those guys who get involved with them SHOULD take "Matters" in there own hands.

I wonder if the same amount of MSM coverage will be given to the murder of a military recruiter, shot by an anonymous killer in a drive-by act of cowardice? If this person killed a military recruiter because of some kind of pay-back for Tiller, will we hear about that on our networks and in our newspapers? Tiller murdered babies who could have survived outside the womb in many cases. He bragged about aborting 61,000 innocents. He's another Dr. Kevorkian. Interesting that he was finally "aborted" himself. I think murder is wrong in any instance, as I'm not God or Providence. Neither was Dr. Tiller.

Lets see, Charles Manson was a serial killer, so was Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, oh and George Tiller. No difference in my eyes. Except one got paid alot of money and it was legal in the gov't's eyes.

It slays me to read these pathetic mothers that if their babies are not born perfect, they want them killed. Well tell it to God someday. Don't waste your breath preaching to the media outlets. You took the chance on getting pregnant, deal with the outcome. Try being a human being, not some welfare tramp.

No sad feelings for these types of people. Should have happened years ago. Hope the temperature is on high where he went.

jp2
What disgusting comments? And what christian
terrorists? If I assume you are doing the same
as Mr.Browne and loading a google bomb via
Wizbang, you are not going to like the feeling
of a gutted catfish nailed to a tree by its head.

SCI,

Whether you are man or woman if you are against abortion then certainly you should be for 100% effective measures to stop abortions.

Those against abortion obviously don't think a woman with her doctor or other family or friends who make this decision are smart enough (see ran at 3:33pm) to handle their own affairs so I would guess that you would wholeheartedly support a means to end abortion procedures and propose laws that would implement vasectomies so that women aren't allowed to take matters in their own hands.

I mean you are serious about stopping what you term murder right? Then step right up and get started allowing men to make the right decision. Call your congress, vasectomies will be foolproof.

jp2-

You've got to be high. Throw on a Slim Pickens CD. That will calm you down.

(Knowing Indie will be 1st in line to get her tubes tied)

little jp2 always = Fool

Indie
Should eat the Irish babies too?

I noticed that not one man amongst you stepped up to take full responsibility for assuring the laws are changed so abortion is stopped.

Wimps.

Indie.........I was cut years ago!.. how are your tubes doing?

So, Indie, you are for eating Irish babies?

SCI,

You are a big man for doing it but you might have noticed I said men need to take responsibility for having the laws changed. The laws, not just isolated operations.

Are you willing to make it a law to stop abortions? This way women would no longer need to be criminalized for the decisions they make.

All I see is avoidance of men taking the responsibility since they don't want women to have abortions they disapprove of.

How about it bucko?

for doing what Indie?
Do you prefer Ketchup or A1?

Some people who support abortion were fooled by the pro abortion fallacy that a fertilized egg is not a child.... nor is an undifferentiated mass of cells but this is a lie. If not a child what ? Each one of us reading and submitting comments were once a tiny collection of cells in a womb. Are we not glad we were allowed to live?
I pray for the Tiller family ;it is awful to lose a loved one through an act of violence and I also pray for Scott Roeder who sadly like Dr Tiller resorted to violence as a solution Abortion is never a solution for anyone It is always a death sentence for the baby and a life sentence for the poor mother A deliberate decision to abort goes totally against the natural instincts of a woman to nurture and protect and it is very damaging to the body heart and mind of any poor soul who endures such an experience.If we really care about women's health we can neither condone allow or encourage abortion.There are some things in life which are simply wrong Both slavery and abortion treat a human being as if it is a disposable asset. The child in the womb is not the property of the mother nor is it the property of the father It is a new citizen with rights that should be upheld and respected in Law. "