Obama's Middle East IslamaPalooza Tour began today and already we are seeing glimpses of his "nuanced" blame America theme.
During his tour, he will go to two of the most heinous human rights hell-holes on the planet, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
When asked if he would be addressing these issues with his host countries, his response was typical Obama-speak:
"(h)e said while there were "obviously" human rights issues to address in some Middle Eastern countries, the job of the US was not to lecture but to encourage what he said were "universal principles" that those countries could "embrace and affirm as part of their national identity"."The danger, I think, is when the United States, or any country, thinks that we can simply impose these values on another country with a different history and a different culture," he said.
Instead, the president said that the most important thing for the US was to "serve as a role model"."Part of what we want to affirm to the world is that these are values that are important even when it's hard, maybe especially when it's hard and not just when it's easy."
"That's why, for example, closing Guantanamo from my perspective as difficult as it is, is important."
Ahh, Guantanamo. When in need of a fall back option, bring out old reliable.
What, prey tell, does Obama believe to be "universal principles" when it comes to some of the worst human rights offenders in the world? Their national identities are already defined by actions taken against people who disagree with them, usually in the name of Islam. Is a beheading a universal principle? How about honor killings?
And the danger, of course, is our imposition of values on others, the most important thing for us to do is be a good role model.
Ugh.
Funny how Obama will side step these issues with leaders of morally corrupt nations, but, when it comes to Israel, he has no problem issuing ultimatums and "imposing" his values on the Israelis.
"What we want to do is open a dialog," Obama told the BBC. "You know, there are misapprehensions about the West, on the part of the Muslim world. And, obviously, there are some big misapprehensions about the Muslim world when it comes to those of us in the West."
Not just "misapprehensions" on our part, but, BIG misapprehensions. It's obviously our close mindedness which hinders us from understanding why muslims do the things they do. We should be more understanding of their hatred of Jews, their mistreatment of women, and their willingness to react with hate toward all things different.
In his remarks with the Saudi King today, he spoke of receiving "council" from His Majesty. Council. From a pampered, ruthless king who demands wahabism be taught in Saudi schools.
I guess this is the part where we should be open-minded.
Yesterday he claimed that Iran had a "right" to obtain nuclear power for "peaceful" purposes. Yup. When I hear Iran, the first word that comes to mind is peace.
Any type of nuclear power in Iranian hands has the capacity to be used for purposes of harm. Harm toward Israel.
Obama's rebuke and rebuff of our only democratic ally in that fetid region should rightly give pause to any objective onlooker wondering where Obama's true alliances stand. He has time to visit these countries who do not hide their hatred for Israel and the Jewish people, yet he has no time for a visit to Israel during his middle east trip.
One of the tidbits Obama shared with us yesterday was his assertion that the United States is "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Huh? There are estimated to be between 5 to 7 million muslims in the US, about the same number of Jewish Americans. In contrast, we have about 60 million Christians. But, during his European apology tour, he made it a point to state we are not a Christian nation.
His speech in Cairo will be alot of things. Pandering to muslim countries who have no interest in the acceptance of our way of life, apologies for our past actions, especially those of the past 8 years, and a bit of anti-Israeli rhetoric which will add a taste of red meat to his grand speech.
Let the spin begin.






Comments (23)
I'm betting that Barry woul... (Below threshold)1. Posted by GarandFan | June 3, 2009 7:02 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
I'm betting that Barry would like the absolute power the Saudi King has. President Thin Skin would have some major scores to settle. All in the name of 'fairness and objectivity', of course.
1. Posted by GarandFan | June 3, 2009 7:02 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 19:02
2. Posted by marc | June 3, 2009 7:11 PM | Score: 16 (20 votes cast)
Obama is right -- we're one of the largest, only outranked by Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iraq, Uzbekistan, Ethiopia, Russia, Yemen, China, Syria, Malaysia, Tanzania, Mali, Niger, Senegal, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Azerbaijan, Burkina Faso, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Cote d'Ivoire, Congo, Libya, Jordan, Chad, Turkemenistan, Philippines, France, Kyrgyzstan, Uganda, Mozambique, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Cameroon, Thailand, Mauritania, Germany, Oman, Albania, Malawi, Kenya, Eritrea, Serbia and Montenegro, Lebanon, Kuwait, the UAE, and...well, at some point here you get to the United States, which has (estimates vary) around 1-3 million Muslims.
Or maybe he's just a pandering fool.
2. Posted by marc | June 3, 2009 7:11 PM |
Score: 16 (20 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 19:11
3. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | June 3, 2009 7:36 PM | Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
Of course he dos not want to oppose our values on M.E. countries. The left wants to impose the M.E. countries' values on us, hence the desire of our Chief Justices to cite the precedent of "international law" in a blatant attempt to change American values.
3. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | June 3, 2009 7:36 PM |
Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 19:36
4. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | June 3, 2009 7:41 PM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
I should have said "some" of our Chief Justices.
4. Posted by Jeff Blogworthy | June 3, 2009 7:41 PM |
Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 19:41
5. Posted by DaveD | June 3, 2009 9:02 PM | Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
"And, obviously, there are some big misapprehensions about the Muslim world when it comes to those of us in the West."
Au contraire, oh self-impressed, worldly one. Actually, I think the West has a pretty damn good handle on what the Muslim world is all about. In fact, hang out over there as long as you like. You won't be able to sign any spending legislation while you're on one of your road trips.
5. Posted by DaveD | June 3, 2009 9:02 PM |
Score: 14 (14 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 21:02
6. Posted by Adrian Browne | June 3, 2009 9:03 PM | Score: -16 (26 votes cast)
My only criticism:
His speech needed waaaaaaaaaaaaay more anti-Israel rhetoric. Way, way more. I'm talking *off the charts*, crazy anti-Israel rhetoric. Something like: "Israel isn't always perfect."
6. Posted by Adrian Browne | June 3, 2009 9:03 PM |
Score: -16 (26 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 21:03
7. Posted by American Citizen | June 3, 2009 9:53 PM | Score: 11 (15 votes cast)
For the record, his name, Barack, comes from the ancient Hebrew, which means Blessed, not from the Arabic. The Hebrews were here first. We don't need any more ultimatums from a president who is chummy with ruthless dictators and murderers. Israel is expected to give up land for peace, but peace never comes. I wish it were 2012 so I can vote him out of office. And another thing, since his citizenship is in question, let's see written proof.
7. Posted by American Citizen | June 3, 2009 9:53 PM |
Score: 11 (15 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 21:53
8. Posted by Justrand
| June 3, 2009 10:45 PM | Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Obama is making it CRYSTAL clear by giving his speech in Egypt and not even STOPPING in Israel where his loyalties lie...and it is absolutely NOT lost on the Isrealis.
The Iraelis issued a statement a while ago that they KNEW Iran would have sufficient nuclear material for one of more bobs by year's end!
Obama told Iran it has "until year's end to demonstrate its true intentions".
Perfect timing!
8. Posted by Justrand
| June 3, 2009 10:45 PM |
Score: 13 (13 votes cast)
Posted on June 3, 2009 22:45
9. Posted by Patriot | June 4, 2009 12:11 AM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Obama need to remember the is not the President of the World, he is the President of the people of the United States of America and it's core values and beliefs.
I believe within 8-9 months that there will be a call of the majority of people, both Democrat and Republican in this Country to either force him to step down as President or by impeachment proceedings .
The country has been fooled by a charade of deception by BHO, and transparency will prove this.
9. Posted by Patriot | June 4, 2009 12:11 AM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 00:11
10. Posted by Ryan | June 4, 2009 5:21 AM | Score: -11 (19 votes cast)
"I believe within 8-9 months that there will be a call of the majority of people both Democrat and Republican in this Country to either force him to step down or by impeachment proceedings as President."
I'm a betting man, I will put $1000, come any takers, against your stupid statement, "Patriot".
You are not a "Patriot". You have no right in hell to call yourself that.
God, you guys are jokes.
This president is seriously kicking some ass, he's 10x Bill Clinton, easy, and obviously a higher life form than Dubya.
10. Posted by Ryan | June 4, 2009 5:21 AM |
Score: -11 (19 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 05:21
11. Posted by Ryan | June 4, 2009 5:24 AM | Score: -9 (17 votes cast)
"In his remarks with the Saudi King today, he spoke of receiving "council" from His Majesty. Council. From a pampered, ruthless king who demands wahabism be taught in Saudi schools."
What the president didn't do is make out with him, like Dubya.
11. Posted by Ryan | June 4, 2009 5:24 AM |
Score: -9 (17 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 05:24
12. Posted by Oyster | June 4, 2009 6:31 AM | Score: 6 (10 votes cast)
"What the president didn't do is make out with him, like Dubya."
Yeah, much better that he subordinate himself by bowing, eh Ryan?
I'll tell you what bothers me about much of his rhetoric when here or in the Middle East. All during his campaign he downplayed his proximity to Islam while growing up, even going so far as to characterize any implications that he may be a Muslim as a "smear". But while elsewhere he emphasizes his experiences living in a Muslim country, having Muslims in his family, etc.
He made a poor choice of words in describing America as "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world," especially when he only recently said we are no longer a Christian nation. We are no where near being "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Marc illustrates that clearly: A) we are not even close to hosting the largest number OR the largest percent by population. B) we are NOT a Muslim country.
12. Posted by Oyster | June 4, 2009 6:31 AM |
Score: 6 (10 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 06:31
13. Posted by sam | June 4, 2009 8:46 AM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Why is this surprising? Obama is paying homage to his Muslim roots, and showing proper deference to those who financed his education and his campaigns.
13. Posted by sam | June 4, 2009 8:46 AM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 08:46
14. Posted by Hank | June 4, 2009 9:18 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
I'm more concerned about what Obama will be offering Egypt and Saudi Arabia behind the scenes.
14. Posted by Hank | June 4, 2009 9:18 AM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 09:18
15. Posted by Justrand
| June 4, 2009 10:26 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Obama in Cairo:
"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance."
I think he MEANT to say:
"Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance...for Islam!"
Most Muslim nations make it ILLEGAL to speak about Christianity...or even in some case to BE a Christian!
15. Posted by Justrand
| June 4, 2009 10:26 AM |
Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 10:26
16. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 1:01 PM | Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Unrepentant Democrat,
That's why I comment on the Blue site (between bans), but at least I post an argument rather than just insults. Is making an argument beyond your ability or are you afraid you'll lose your cool and Maggie will have to disemvowel your comments, again?
16. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 1:01 PM |
Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 13:01
17. Posted by 914 | June 4, 2009 1:34 PM | Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Un demoncrat, you are the muslim hating bigot that forgets to wash his backside before typing with it.
17. Posted by 914 | June 4, 2009 1:34 PM |
Score: 1 (3 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 13:34
18. Posted by Unrepentant Democrat | June 4, 2009 1:50 PM | Score: -4 (8 votes cast)
MacLorry
If you paid some attention you'd see that my "insults" are addressed to insulting comments and idiotic postings. There are no arguments to be had here as few are tolerated by the likes of Drummomd (who brooks little if any dissent with his own line of insults), Maggie the resident censor of most things not in line with the wingnutia philosophy, or the vast majority of commenters - the ubiquitous and foul-mouthed marc (who interestingly and in keeping with his hypocrisy tolerates no foul-mouthing on his own gas filled blog) and the nutcase ww come immediately to mind.
I can't speak for Blue as I get my liberal fix from Think Progress and Talking Points Memo.
18. Posted by Unrepentant Democrat | June 4, 2009 1:50 PM |
Score: -4 (8 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 13:50
19. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 2:16 PM | Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
Unrepentant Democrat,
You dropped the same generic insult in this thread and in the "Obama In Cairo" thread, so don't give me the nonsense that they were directed to a specific comment or posting. What it really amounts to is laziness on your part to engage comments or postings with an argument. It's a lot easier to just spew insults and everyone knows it.
Come back with a thoughtful argument that's on topic and I'll try to be gentle in my disagreement, and if you make a valid point, I'll say so.
19. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 2:16 PM |
Score: 3 (7 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 14:16
20. Posted by Unrepentant Democrat | June 4, 2009 2:59 PM | Score: -5 (9 votes cast)
Mac Lorry
Blog Title : "Obama's IslamaPalooza Tour"
What is worth reading after that title? It's going to be, and is, a screed with tall the usual straw man arguments.
Comment #2: "The left (that of course means all of us) wants to impose M.E...... values on us."
Really? Where's the beef on that one? Argue that absurdity? Sure....
Comment #7:"....chummy with ruthless dictators....." Argue that absurdity? Sure....
Well I suppose I could find a link to a picture of Bush holding the hand of one of those "ruthless dictators" or a picture of Cheyney kissing Sadam's ass while working for Bush I.
Commet # 11:".....a chardade of deception....." Uhm huh argue with a true believer about that.
Comment #14: "Obama is paying omage to his Muslim roots....." Yup lets argue that one too.
Thos are just a few examples from this one post. Just a few.
Insulting and stupid title, insulting and stupid statements, ergo an insulting response.
20. Posted by Unrepentant Democrat | June 4, 2009 2:59 PM |
Score: -5 (9 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 14:59
21. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Unrepentant Democrat,
Here are some ideas for you. Has any other world leader done something similar to Obama? If so who, when, and what happened?
What's Obama's strategy? Obama has some first hand knowledge of the Islamic culture. It looks like he's attempting appeasement, but maybe he knows what he's doing. Can you defend Obama's actions? If so, you would make this thread interesting.
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Take a look at the titles on the Blue site. Many of them are far more biased than the title of this thread, yet I and other conservatives are able to make reasoned arguments or point out overlooked facts. That's what makes blogs work.
Give it a try if you have something to offer.
21. Posted by Mac Lorry | June 4, 2009 4:26 PM |
Score: 2 (6 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 16:26
22. Posted by Ran | June 4, 2009 5:35 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Give UD a break, he needs attention.
22. Posted by Ran | June 4, 2009 5:35 PM |
Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 17:35
23. Posted by LaMedusa | June 4, 2009 8:09 PM | Score: 0 (4 votes cast)
The biggest problem with Obama's rhetoric is his inability to define what the U.S. is as a role model.
UD- I am intrigued. I would like to see the sheer genius and writing skill of your own blog.
23. Posted by LaMedusa | June 4, 2009 8:09 PM |
Score: 0 (4 votes cast)
Posted on June 4, 2009 20:09