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Excellent: Voters Rebelling Against Government Run Health Care

Michelle Malkin posted this video in which St. Louis Rep. Russ Carnahan gets laughed by constituents at when he claims the House health care reform bill HR 3200 will save money. Pay close attention to the end when a constituent asks "If it's so great why doesn't Congress have to be on it." The video comes to a close immediately after than, but check out Carnahan's face and demeanor. You know he heard that question and doesn't quite know how to react. It's fabulous.

Update: Kevin Jackson, the man who asked why Congress won't be included in this new and wonderful health care plan wrote about his experience at the Carnahan town hall. It's a must read.

Allahpundit linked to his video where a man tells Secretary Sebelius and others "it will be a cold day in hell before you'll be socializing my country." The crowd erupts into applause and cheers. Poor Secretary Sebelius. She's visibly shocked and dismayed at how the peasants are beginning to revolt.


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"If it's so great why doesn... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"If it's so great why doesn't Congress have to be on it."

Should there be a question mark at the end of that?

But what does that mean? "be on" ? "it" ?

Please fill in the blanks:

It ____________ is so great why doesn't Congress ____________?

last sentence ^ It = If ^ ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

last sentence ^ It = If ^

adding to the confusion :(

Ha ha ha,Allinskie... (Below threshold)
914 barock sucs:

Ha ha ha,

Allinskie's losin favor.

Ha ha ha ha ha

It's been a rough day for y... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

It's been a rough day for you, hasn't it, Adrian?

so AdrianIf this h... (Below threshold)
retired military:

so Adrian

If this health care plan is so great why shouldnt Congress and the Unions have to use it as well?

Ah I see. I couldn't under... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Ah I see. I couldn't understand the question. Thank you, RM.

Well, in one sense they will be. It isn't a single player plan. Congress and unions already have health care plans that they can keep as do people who have private health care or people who have Medicare or people who don't want any health care. Options.

Looks like our legislative ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Looks like our legislative elite will have to make sure that the gendarmes are at the next "TownHall" meeting to insure that the rowdies are throw out. Can't have the peasants running things. Next thing you know, they'll get the idea that politicians are supposed to be working for the people. Where'd they get a crazy idea like that? Marx obviously didn't cover this development. But don't worry, Barry's pal in Chicago did at one time. He estimated that 25 million would have to be 'eliminated'.

Instead of struggling so mu... (Below threshold)
JJ:

Instead of struggling so much to come up with a new plan, why not expand the coverage Congress has to include all of us?

Congress and union... (Below threshold)
Congress and unions already have health care plans that they can keep as do people who have private health care or people who have Medicare or people who don't want any health care. Options.

This is untrule, Adriane. Under HR3200 my husband and I would not be able to resign with our health insurance company after Y1 of that plan nor would our insurance company be able to add new customers. How is that choice? Also, if you choose to not have health care, you'll be fined!

You need to stick to topics you know something about.

AB, a better question to as... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

AB, a better question to ask is why don't all the laws congress passes also apply to them?

Are they in a class above the "common man", a ruling class elite and perhaps somehow 'better' than the general public??

Will they have the same health care that they propose to place everyone in the country under? I'm betting they will not, at least not yet...

I do truly enjoy seeing politicians going into an unscreened public meeting and discovering that they and their idea's aren't as popular as they thought. Maybe the clue x four upside the head that they receive will be a not so gentle reminder that they are not rulers but are 'representatives' and have constituents that they have to answer to. I can't wait for the 2010 elections, its going to be marvelous.

Mr.Browne, You're no... (Below threshold)

Mr.Browne,
You're not even good at being disingenuous.
How do your feet feel from playing footsy
with the goal posts?

So why is the tax to pay fo... (Below threshold)
914:

So why is the tax to pay for it being imposed on us all Mr. Ali..er...Adrian Brownie?

"She's visibly shocked and ... (Below threshold)

"She's visibly shocked and dismayed at how the peasants are beginning to revolt. "

Good call, Kim. Her reaction is totally 'Umm, hello you stupid little flyover man, don't you know we're doing this to make everything better for you? Be a good little lemming and do as mommy tells you and don't you DARE talk back to me! Can you believe the way he talked to me? And after all I've done for him!'

Adrian Browne.Unde... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Adrian Browne.

Under HR3200
Those private insurance companies cannot add new members. If you change jobs you cant sign up for a health care plan of choice at your new job. YOu have the govt option period. And what happens when your current health care loses enough members so they cant make any kind of profit. They go out of business. Then you get stuck with the govt option.

As usual you are fully aware of these things but choose to totally ignore the facts.

Adrian BrownIn sho... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Adrian Brown

In short go to the front page of wizbang and look about 5 articles after this one.

COngress tries to get elected for life (though they sometimes dont get their wish) and after 6 years are entitled to full pay for retirement and they keep health benefits.

Union workers have the same health care provider as long as they are in the union.

Therefore Congress and their Union buddies probably wont ever have to go with the public option.

Again why dont you answer the question instead of pretending (well in your case it may not be pretending) blind ignorance of the facts.

"YOu have the govt option p... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"YOu have the govt option period."

You have the public option IF YOU WANT IT, if not, buy private insurance as it will be much more affordable.

In fact, it will stimulate the insurance industry as there will be all sorts of new products people will want. The pharmaceutical companies will benefit greatly from all the new customers and the AMA endorses it.

It's a win/win.

Sorry Adrian. Read Page 16 ... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Sorry Adrian. Read Page 16 of the bill. Private insurance is illegal after the first year. Of course, you know that already but just choose to be evasive and lie.

It's not a win/win. It's a lose/lose.

This bill isn't about providing health care (which, btw, it still won't do for about 1/3 of those not covered now). It's only about seizing power.

"It's a win/win."</p... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"It's a win/win."

No, it's not.

Mayo Clinic's reaction to House Tri-Committee bill « Health Policy Blog

Although there are some positive provisions in the current House Tri-Committee bill, including insurance for all and payment reform demonstration projects, the proposed legislation misses the opportunity to help create higher-quality, more affordable health care for patients. In fact, it will do the opposite.
So what's the opposite of 'higher quality, more affordable'? Come on, Adrian, tell us the answer on that.

Of course, THEY'RE just in the medical business, actually dealing with all the crap Washington's ALREADY put out. I'm sure legislators who don't have a friggin' clue about how hospitals run have a MUCH better idea how things should work, don't you?

Of course, the Mayo Clinic's got suggestions - because...

Mayo Clinic firmly believes that a government-run public plan with price controls structured like Medicare would be financially disastrous to individual physicians, medical practice groups, and hospitals, which will ultimately hurt patients who seek care. The current system of Medicare payment punishes the most effective and efficient providers. Twenty-five years of experience with price controls has proven that price controls do not control spending.

A majority of Medicare providers currently suffer great financial loss under the current program. Mayo Clinic alone lost $840 million last year under Medicare. Mayo Clinic and other providers are reaching the point where they cannot afford to see Medicare patients.
Reform Medicare first to prove the concept, THEN figure out how to apply it across the board.

The country will not implode if health care isn't passed. It may well do so from OTHER idiotic spending commitments - but not health care.

Ehh, the insurance industry... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Ehh, the insurance industry is rightfully emerging as the vector, Victor.

Dems: +1 point.

Repubs (most) and Wizbang (all) allergic to Rep. Ron Paul's proposed GAO audit of the Federal Reserve System.

Repubs and The Republic: -10 points.

Obama's and the Dem's worse... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Obama's and the Dem's worse nightmare is coming true.

The silent majority is starting to speak up.

US automakers became unprof... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

US automakers became unprofitable relative to their competitors in large part due to health care and retirement benefits paid to retired workers. As far as I can tell the government takeover of the auto makers didn't really address these issues, and now the government will exempt the UAW from the proposed health plan. Why? They say it's due to contract obligations, but in reality it is because the UAW have a better plan. A three tiered system: Gubmint workers & elected elite SELECT unions, and the rest of you/us "suckas".

bryanD, Who is this ... (Below threshold)

bryanD,
Who is this all being allergic to
an audit of the Federal Reserve?
Personally I think they stink, have always
stunk. Needing an audit? Their controls need
to be taken away from them. A private group
who has been in control of our money for too
long since day one.

Uh ... I think bryanD has b... (Below threshold)

Uh ... I think bryanD has been popping some of The One's pain killers tonight.

Back to the topic -- the best part about the Sibelius video is her answer, possibly the worst one she could have given: "Excuse me, the Federal employee health system would stay in place."

Brilliant, Secretary Sibelius, just brilliant. Government employees and their choice health care benefits will be exempt from ObamaCare. Just what the audience wanted to hear. And she was jeered and booed after her answer! I love it.

Just to make this clear -- ObamaCare bans private insurers from enrolling new insureds after ObamaCare takes effect, which means that if you switch jobs, you will be banned from joining your new employer's existing private group health insurance plan and will be forced into ObamaCare. But according to Sec. Sibelius, new government hires would still be able to join the existing FEHB program and will not be forced to enroll in ObamaCare.

Some animals are more equal than others ...

government healthcare is by... (Below threshold)
DD:

government healthcare is by no means socialism. open your eyes yo the world. americans were gng to buy drugs in canada Because the us failed them. healthy democracies and healthiest citizens in the world: Australia, Canada.
obama needs to get the sabotagers out of his way. They only want to set him up to fail. They want to see healthcare fail yet europe, canada, australia government involved healthcare system is overall way better than the US's sorry system with its citizens of this democracy in the millions uninsured. Why the heck do these sabotagers want to continually fall behind. seems they running demoscary for the evil and keepin the millions uninsured, obama needs to recognize just what it is and get on board with healthcare democracies of europe, canada, australia, who's people are way better off than us in healthcare. if you run a country and milions of people in your country can't use your system IT IS BROKEN! Man they keep this up the us in fifty years we'll still be behind in the healthcare system compared to other democracies australia and europe (thats why us people buy prescriptions from canada cos its better for them). Everybody in those countries lookin at US healthcare thinkin h0w sorry it is. Obama needs to deal with this sht and get the sab0tagers THE HECK OUT of the way and heal the millions.

This rabble must be trample... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

This rabble must be trampled before they
besmirch the sanctity of Obama, and his
vision for the country. All Acorns need
to report for active duty posthaste. Stimulus
ham and cheese sandwiches will be provided
for the long battle ahead. Walkin' around
money is coming in satchels from our
godfathers. He's too hip to fail.

Starting to sound like the ... (Below threshold)
krkrjak Author Profile Page:

Starting to sound like the administration's "let`em eat cake" attitude is beginning to resonate with the peasants.

Is it time for the mid-term... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Is it time for the mid-term elections yet?

Can we have our country back?

Attention all Wizbangers! S... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Attention all Wizbangers! Seminar spam posting #24

I think most of the idiots ... (Below threshold)
mag:

I think most of the idiots who voted for obama don't even know what socialism is. They are all giddy about getting something that someone else has to paid for. They have been program to think that is their right. To take from other. Legalized theft.

The silent majority is starting to speak up. I see it in my own home town.

Oh by the way, the lefties that agree about going after the rich to pay for things. Who is rich??? And everything being fair and all...if they were in school and had good marks because they studied hard would they be willing to give part of their grade to another student who did not bother to study...you know just to keep everything fair and all.....

Adrian Brown"In fa... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Adrian Brown

"In fact, it will stimulate the insurance industry "

IT WONT BECAUSE THEY WONT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE NEW PEOPLE SIGN UP WITH THEM.

YOU ARE AGAIN IGNORING FACTS.

Adrain BrownSince ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Adrain Brown

Since you are too lazy too look on the front page of wizbang I will cut and paste from HR 3200

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1."


"Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1."


AGAIN STOP IGNORING FACTS.

Michael LaPrarie in comment... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Michael LaPrarie in comment 23 hits the key point, in my opinion.

"Excuse me, the Federal employee health system would stay in place."

I'd like to see Obama, Sibelius, and any other politicians supporting Obamacare forced to defend this provision.


My how things have changed ... (Below threshold)
Michael:

My how things have changed since November. This bill is not going to happen for the simple reason that the Dims in the House and Senate want to get re-elected.

"..the best part about the ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"..the best part about the Sibelius video is her answer, possibly the worst one she could have given: "Excuse me, the Federal employee health system would stay in place."

Brilliant, Secretary Sibelius, just brilliant. Government employees and their choice health care benefits will be exempt from ObamaCare. Just what the audience wanted to hear. And she was jeered and booed after her answer! I love it.... "

Amen. That is one of the parts of this plan that has to be repeated and repeated.

She actually thinks this is a good selling point?! She actually thinks the average citizen will be happy to know that the gov't employees who are supposed to work for the People, and certain politically connected unions, will still have their gold-plated plan while the rest of us will get the Welfare plan?
WTF?

That's just it, Hank - they... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

That's just it, Hank - they can't. THEY know they're setting up a multi-tier system, and that THEY will be in the topmost level and get the goodies. They can't admit that, though, or the whole 'equality in health care' thing falls apart.

They just figured that the rest of the elected aristocracy would support them in this. After all, what's the good of being the elite if EVERYONE can get what they can? So it's time to start putting in barriers, walls to keep the vast unwashed in their place.

In a way you somewhat see that in the retail system here in the US. You've got your upper-upper crust stores (like Nieman Marus), upper (Saks), mid (Macy's, Parisian), and general (Sears, Wards, WalMart). But there, the barrier is strictly financial. Nobody's going to stop a normal WalMart shopper from going into Neiman Marcus to buy something - as long as they've got the money.

In the USSR, you had the stores for the Party - and stores for the regular folks. A nice, neat, two-tier stratification - which had NO upward mobility. It didn't matter how much money you had, if you weren't a Party member you couldn't go into the store.

(In fact, I sometimes wonder whether the folks who strenuously object to WalMart aren't really objecting to the fact that the vast unwashed can get inexpensive, high-quality eletronic consumer goods cheap. After all, the PEONS aren't supposed to get good stuff!)

They want to see h... (Below threshold)
Stan25:
They want to see healthcare fail yet europe, canada, australia government involved healthcare system is overall way better than the US's sorry system with its citizens of this democracy in the millions uninsured. Why the heck do these sabotagers want to continually fall behind. seems they running demoscary for the evil and keepin the millions uninsured, obama needs to recognize just what it is and get on board with healthcare democracies of europe, canada, australia, who's people are way better off than us in healthcare. if you run a country and milions of people in your country can't use your system IT IS BROKEN! Man they keep this up the us in fifty years we'll still be behind in the healthcare system compared to other democracies australia and europe (thats why us people buy prescriptions from canada cos its better for them). Everybody in those countries lookin at US healthcare thinkin h0w sorry it is. Obama needs to deal with this sht and get the sab0tagers THE HECK OUT of the way and heal the millions.

Then please explain to the people that are regular posters here, why the people from Canada, Australia and Europe come to the Untied States to have MRIs, major surgeries, and other procedures done. I will tell you the reason why. It because they don't have to wait for months and sometimes years for the doctor to see them. They can also get drugs here that are banned in Canada and the other countries.

I posed this same question on another forum some months ago, when someone from Canada said that they had things way better in Canada. The person did not have much to say after that. In fact he never brought up the subject again. Might i add, that to pay for all of this free health care, the taxes in those countries are way higher than here. As the old simile says; there is no such thing as a free lunch and this applies very aptly here.

As for being uninsured, most of the people that don't have insurance, in most cases, are young healthy people and either can't afford it or they don't want it. The latter is the more likely scenario, the former. Other thing is the lawyers, they are the ones that are driving up the cost of health care the most, with their frivolous lawsuits. Instead of forcing the American people to go onto the government dole, the Congress should be implementing tort reform.

Tennesee's program, designe... (Below threshold)

Tennesee's program, designed interestingly enough by the person who is now Obama's unconfirmed, unelected "health czar", is following in the path of failed 'public options' that claim as do the trolls here, that costs will come down.
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"TennCare, the managed care Medicaid program that began in 1994, now serves about 1.2 million people in the state and has a $7 billion budget. That's after cuts were made.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) was a Tennessee state senator through much of the TennCare problems and believes it is a forecast of what would happen under federal health care "public option" plan. While supporters of the Tennessee program said it would save money, it wound up eating 38 percent of the state's budget, she said.

"As a result of this, insurance rates for those who have private coverage were going through the roof," Blackburn told a gathering at the conservative Heritage Foundation last week.

"There is no example that you can point to that shows where having private insurance in competition with the public option brings the costs down. It leads to exploding costs," she said...

"They were tired of insurance companies denying people universal access, and thought they could save so much money with a public plan to cover not only the people on Medicaid but all uninsured. Sound familiar? Costs began to explode immediately," Matthews said.

TennCare was an initiative of Democratic Gov. Ned McWherter. It began in January 1994 by expanding Medicaid coverage to the uninsured and uninsurable and had an enrollment cap of 1.7 million. McWherter's commissioner of human services was Nancy-Ann Min DeParle.

President Obama this year appointed DeParle as director of the White House Office of Health Reform, or health czar...

In the first nine months of 1997, TennCare lost $20 million, according to the state comptroller's office. By 1998, the program enrollment had grown from 800,000 to 1.2 million. This occurred after employers moved employees onto TennCare because the subsidized plan cost less."

Kevin's link goes to page t... (Below threshold)
Lisa:

Kevin's link goes to page that says "Account suspended." What's up?

I worked as an MD in Tennes... (Below threshold)
epador:

I worked as an MD in Tennessee 1995-1997. TennCare was a disaster from the beginning. Falze has the Word.

Somewhere, Soros is sitting... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

Somewhere, Soros is sitting in a dark room
mumbling, "We backed the wrong horse."

"We backed the wrong hor... (Below threshold)
914:

"We backed the wrong horse."

Yeah, He should have went with the Old Grey Mare instead of the Arabian.

I'm a Canadian and I live i... (Below threshold)
Speller:

I'm a Canadian and I live in Alberta.
The U.S. private healthcare system is better than the Canadian system.

While the Canadian government pretends there is equal services and times for all this is untrue.
Canadian politicians, RCMP, and Canadian Indians get a level of services well above the rest of Canadians. No ques for them.

#24 DD~
"open your eyes yo the world. americans were gng to buy drugs in canada Because the us failed them."

Buying drugs in Canada has nothing to do with the Canadian healtcare system. Cheaper generic copies of U.S. patented drugs are why Americans buy drugs in Canada. Drugs are not covered by any healthcare system in Canada, each province administrating their own under federal guidelines.

Most of my fellow Albertans would prefer the pre-ObamaCare American system to the Stalinist Canadian Healthcare system.




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