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Scorched Earth Politics

In my AIP column last week I said President Obama and his statist allies in Congress have a scorched earth mentality regarding health care and cap and trade, but particularly about health care. They will do anything to get their health care plan implemented no matter what the consequences to their own party or to the American economy. Today we learn just how true that is.

We already know the American people do not want the president's health care plan, especially as we learn how awful it really is. The president has said for months that if you like your current private health care plan you can keep it. That is a lie. HR 3200 kills the private insurance industry. It's pretty hard to keep your private insurance plan when all the private insurance companies are driven out of business.

Additionally, Erick Erickson at Red State tells us that in section 1233 of HR 3200 the elderly are required to visit their doctors and nurse practitioners every 5 years to discuss information such as living wills, hospice, durable powers of attorney, and other end of life decisions. Erick remarks:

The section requires that they talk to their doctor, not a lawyer, about living wills, durable healthcare powers of attorney, hospice, etc. Given the progressive intelligentsia already being on the record in favor of euthanizing the elderly, it is no small leap to see where the Democrats are headed with this.

Legally forcing senior citizens to have "death with dignity schedules every few years is just another way to say the government wants to make sure seniors know it is time to commit suicide to save the system money.

In spite of the news about how awful this bill is, the president has made it clear he will use any means necessary to force it onto the American people no matter how much they do not want it. In a conference call with liberal bloggers, the president even said he may use the parliamentary procedure called reconciliation if he has to in order to make sure this bill passes in the Senate:

Jonathan Singer: Well thank you for taking the time to speak with us, Mr. President. Given the timeline and the fact that it seems like bills may not be through both the House and Senate by the August recess, is there a point at which you would say to the Senate, "Sixty votes doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Use the reconciliation process. Lower the threshold so the Republicans cannot delay the process." I know that's not optimal. But is there a point at which you would say that to the Senate?

President Obama: Keep in mind that the way we had structured the reconciliation issue several months ago, we moved forward on the basis of the assumption that we can get a bill through the regular order and the regular process by October. If I think that that is not possible, then we are going to look at all of our options, including reconciliation. Not because that's my preferred option, but because what I think will be unacceptable for the American people is inaction at a time when we have been seeing families bankrupted, businesses straining under the cost of healthcare, and in the absence of action, a continuation of Medicare and Medicaid trajectory that is unsustainable.

Sorry folks, but that last sentence is the worst kind of perversion of the CBO's statement. This is what Director Elmendorf wrote on his blog about unsustainability of Obama's budget:

Under current law, the federal budget is on an unsustainable path, because federal debt will continue to grow much faster than the economy over the long run. Although great uncertainty surrounds long-term fiscal projections, rising costs for health care and the aging of the population will cause federal spending to increase rapidly under any plausible scenario for current law.

This is what the director said Obama's health care plan would do to that already unsustainable federal budget Emphasis mine:

According to CBO's and JCT's assessment, enacting H.R. 3200 would result in a net increase in the federal budget deficit of $239 billion over the 2010-2019 period. That estimate reflects a projected 10-year cost of the bill's insurance coverage provisions of $1,042 billion, partly offset by net spending changes that CBO estimates would save $219 billion over the same period, and by revenue provisions that JCT estimates would increase federal revenues by about $583 billion over those 10 years.

By the end of the 10-year period, in 2019, the coverage provisions would add $202 billion to the federal deficit, CBO and JCT estimate. That increase would be partially offset by net cost savings of $50 billion and additional revenues of $86 billion, resulting in a net increase in the deficit of an estimated $65 billion.

President Obama's argument that his health care plan will prevent the federal budget from becoming unsustainable is pure, unadulterated FANTASY. He knows it and the liberal bloggers who were on yesterday's conference call know it, but they all just go along with this fantasy and suspend any form of truth or reality in order to push their lie that Obama's health care plan will actually increase competition and save the country and the American people money. It's shocking how far these people will go and the lies they will tell in order to force government run health care onto the American people. If the president gets his way and forces it through the Senate, there will be a political earthquake as Peter Ferrera predicts. Last night on Hannity, Dick Morris opined that Obama will allow himself to become a one term president if that is what it takes to get his government run health care plans passed and implemented. If Morris is right, and I suspect he is, then Obama is in fact utilizing scorched earth politics.

Update: Why am I not surprised that President Obama doesn't have a clue what's in HR 3200, particularly the section that makes private health insurance illegal (Emphasis mine):

During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: "Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?" President Obama replied: "You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."

I'd like to hear an Obama supporter explain this to us. For months now President Obama has been saying that if you like your current private health insurance plan you can keep it. In reality, however, HR 3200 would make it illegal for private insurers to change existing customers' plans and to enroll new customers, putting these insurers out of business, yet President Obama didn't know a thing about this section of the bill?! It's as if he's making claims expecting them to just magically appear because he's commanded it. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion than the president is living and working in a vacuum completely divorced from the reality of the process and is making claims he has no business making. Before he spouts off at the mouth any further, he needs to meet with his bosses to find out what they've put in this thing.

Update II: The American Thinker points out all the racial preferences in HR 3200:

Under the Democrats' health care bill, if a medical school wants to increase its chances of receiving many different kinds of grants and contracts from the federal government, it should have a demonstrated record of training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups. This is because the Democrats' health care bill requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to give preference to the entities that have demonstrated such a record in the awarding of these contracts to medical schools and other institutions.

Instead of training the smartest people with the best academic records to be doctors, medical schools will be encouraged to train the people with right skin color.

Update III: Take a poll on how you feel about Obama and the economy.


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President Obama's argume... (Below threshold)
DavidL:

President Obama's argument that his health care plan will prevent the federal budget from becoming unsustainable is pure, unadulterated FANTASY. He knows it
Maybe anybody with a room temperature, or better IQ, knows the one's healthcare plan is pure fantascy. However does the one really know it. We really do not know just how stupid Barrack Obama really is.

I mean this the same person, who as a canidate, challenged a plumber to a debate on economics and lost.

Erick Erickson? Sean Hanni... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Erick Erickson? Sean Hannity? Dick Morris?

This is about the re-electi... (Below threshold)
MPR:

This is about the re-election of Obamalala nothing else. In 2012 he wants to be able to tell the majority of voters they now have free health care and Conservatives and Republicans want to take it away from you. He needs two terms to fully implement his socialist agenda to the point where it will be impossible turn around. To Obamalala nothing else matters.

The criticism of the discus... (Below threshold)
epador:

The criticism of the discussion of end-of-life issues is way off base. This is already supported by many State, and patient advocacy organizations. Its an established standard of care. The patient makes sure the provider IS INFORMED and discusses what these decisions are. The discussion and the desires of the patient are RECORDED in the chart. This is an attempt to standardize and legislate "quality of care" and take out of the hands of the patient and the provider how they decide to interact. THAT's worth considering pro and con.

Wow, you're over-reaching:<... (Below threshold)

Wow, you're over-reaching:

'scorched earth' isn't an apt metaphor as that term usually applies to a loser who wants to deny the victor the fruits of victory (more along the line of Clinton staffers screwing around with WH computers and the like). Obama sure doesn't view himself as a loser.

while a significant chunk of America is opposed, it is wrong to say that 'American people do not want...', as there are a bunch who do.

And it is classic ODS to imply that Obama is doing this without regard to the consequences. He thinks his ideas will work, will make things better. His actions may wreak havoc but it is not his intent to do so. Fault him for stupidity, for arrogance, but not for trying to screw things up.

And where, other than in your own mind, is there evidence that Obama KNOWS his plan will not work? Claiming that he does is on a par with the worst of the leftist rants against Bush.

And citing Dick Morris? Jeez, that's lame. Morris has absolutely no access to Obama, his view that Obama will accept one term is make believe and quoting him as an authority only diminishes those who do so.

But keep doing what you're doing, just as the liberal media realizes that they benefit by feeding garbage to their liberal readers, you've got a bunch of ranting rightists here who need their daily dose of anti-Obama rantings.

And in advance of the inevitable comments, no, I don't approve of Obama and what he is doing nor did I vote for him.

So what happens if a feisty... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

So what happens if a feisty 'elderly' person tells his/her "health care provider" to shove it when it comes to "talking to their doctor, not a lawyer, about living wills, durable healthcare powers of attorney, hospice, etc."

If it's a "requirement", what's the punishment for not cooperating? Obama going to throw that person in the slammer? I'm sure The One is all for enforcing the law. Except for relatives overstaying their visa, of course.

"what's the punishment for ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"what's the punishment for not cooperating?"

Death without dignity.

Obama knows that, just like... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Obama knows that, just like any other entitlement, this healthcare disaster, once in place, will be very difficult to undo by a future Congress.

Garandfan, I am kind of cur... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Garandfan, I am kind of curious about what they will do when someone who has been condemned to death by the government goes into the medical deciders office with a Model 1911A1, cocked and locked, unlocks it, puts it to the head of the person who has condemned them and asks for a second opinion. If a doctor told me I was to old for a proceedure, I think I would make him an offer he could not refuse. What are they going to do, put a condemned man in jail?

Mr. Browne, I have to wonde... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Mr. Browne, I have to wonder how your thought process works. Do you have no gag reflex at all?

Do you see nothing wrong with the proposed legislation?

"Do you see nothing wrong w... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"Do you see nothing wrong with the proposed legislation?"

No.

But that's something completely different than the misinformation being disseminated by Dick Morris, Erick Erickson, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc.

"And it is classic ODS to i... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"And it is classic ODS to imply that Obama is doing this without regard to the consequences. He thinks his ideas will work, will make things better. His actions may wreak havoc but it is not his intent to do so. Fault him for stupidity, for arrogance, but not for trying to screw things up."

Steve, I just cannot accord him even this much. I should not bring up the abortion issue on this thread, but I am fearful of a man who would look upon a baby from an unwanted pregnancy of his daughter's as punishment. Plus my mind keeps returning to his lack of compassion in not wanting to provide reasonable medical care for babies that survive a "botched" abortion. Obama clearly knows what he is doing. If he really, really, didn't want to do any harm he would be more open and deliberate in getting this plan right. It is important legislation and will define his legacy. I think you have been fooled.

Obama wants his legacy and ... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Obama wants his legacy and the dems want permanent control. Passing this may accomplish both.

Still, I think Steve in comment 5 said it best:
"His actions may wreak havoc but it is not his intent to do so"

And so it is with liberals.
It is all about the intentions, results be damned.

Pretty obvious Adrian hasn'... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Pretty obvious Adrian hasn't read the House Bill, OR he's dumber than a box o' rocks.

Question for you AB, if this legislation won't go into effect until 2013, what's the hurry??????

Hmmm, I wonder if the King's worried the groundlings might learn what's in it.

Browne: Wow. But that's som... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Browne: Wow. But that's something completely different than the misinformation being disseminated by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, CNN, Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews, George Stephanopolis, Daily Kos, the New York Times, et al.


Maybe you're right. Maybe it is a frickin crisis that we simply have to deal with before Congress adjourns. Maybe it is so important that nobody needs to read it or discuss it. Settled science and all that. Maybe it's so important that we just have to pass it before the Democrats have to run for cover before the re-election season arrives. Maybe there are no other alternatives that don't cost a trillion bucks.

Silly of me to doubt it. Probably even subversive to even wonder about it, huh?

In a recent press conferenc... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

In a recent press conference, Obama stated clearly that his goal was now to force healthier people into the 'pool' in order to help pay for his plan.

The people he's referring to are young and are on average healthier and thus require less health care. While forcing these people into the 'pool' to aid in the income side of the equation, the other side is reducing expenditures by forcing those who require too much health care out of the pool (i.e. the elderly). This is the nature of government run healthcare.

"misinformation"...yeah lik... (Below threshold)

"misinformation"...yeah like directly quoting the legislation.

sounds like when democrats accused a republican congressman of 'lying' because he was displaying photos of the proposed drilling location in ANWR

re: #9Don't try th... (Below threshold)
epador:

re: #9

Don't try that in my office, I know how to disarm and maim painfully without killing you. And I know how to keep you alive indefinitely too.

;-)

Two years of discussion of ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Two years of discussion of healthcare reform during the election and fifty years of discussion before that is not "rushing" it.

TAXMISSION ACCOMPLISHED!</p... (Below threshold)
914:

TAXMISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Am I wrong, or did Obama's ... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

Am I wrong, or did Obama's precipitous down-
ward spiral begin with the "Mom" jeans and
a pitiful pitch to Pujols? My, the American
people are fickle. Sic semper tyrranus.

Browne: I don't recall two ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Browne: I don't recall two years of "discussion" about healthcare during the pre-coronation. I remember a lot of wild campaign rhetoric that was designed to win an election, not solve a problem.

Nobody disputes that change in medical care is necessary. But why is it that the Democrats' legislation is the only possible alternative? What's so damned important about passing it by next Tuesday? Why not actually come up with a plan that doesn't bankrupt the country? Why do you think the government is the only possible way to "solve" the problem?

If you think that the legislation doesn't force a single payer system on the country, you don't understand what the legislation says. You need to understand what compulsory means.

And if you don't think an additional trillion bucks on top of the current deficit is a lot of money, you aren't paying attention.

Adrian, we are talking abou... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Adrian, we are talking about rushing the legislation. The legislation was only made public last week, not 50 years ago. Hell's bells, I'll bet that Nancy Pelosi hasn't even read five percent of that 1,000 page monstrosity.

Lets hope Ted Kennedy doesn... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Lets hope Ted Kennedy doesn't die in time to be the 'inspiration' for the passage of Obamacare.

"Two years of discussion of... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"Two years of discussion of healthcare reform during the election and fifty years of discussion before that is not "rushing" it"

No, but voting on it (hell even speaking about it's merits) before READING IT is.

Matter of fact the King was asked today about the outlawing of private insurance included in the house bill. He replied he "wasn't familiar with that part of the bill". LOLOL.

Well just in case you're not lying Mr. President and really don't know, it's on page 16.

Obama hasn't got a clue wha... (Below threshold)

Obama hasn't got a clue what's in that damn bill. He had no idea that HR 3200 would make private insurance illegal even though he's been spouting off that if you like your current health insurance plan you can keep it. Read my update.

Bobdog -I really t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Bobdog -

I really think the current administration can't tell the difference between millions, billions, and trillions. It's not real money to them, THEY aren't going to be stuck with the bill when it comes, so why should they be at all worried about what they're obligating the future to pay?

Now, this isn't to mean that you shouldn't mortgage your country's future to the hilt IF THERE'S A PRESSING REASON. (Take a look at what the UK had to do in WW2, for example. taking out massive loans which took decades to repay.) If they HADN'T borrowed the money for war materiel, the UK would have ceased to exist.

There is no such existential threat with health care. The country will not implode if it's not passed. You don't see mass rallies demanding it, with civil disobedience nationwide if it fails to become law.

It's a very expensive solution to an annoying, sub-critical problem - and with our current debt and deficit it'd be a ruinous one.

Obama scares me more every ... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

Obama scares me more every day. You know damned well he knew about the provision in the bill that basically outlaws private health insurance - he was probably just surprised to get the question. The reason Obama and the Democrats are in such a hurry to pass this bill is that everyday conservative bloggers are bringing to light what is actually in the proposed legislation. The mainstream media is doing their usual piss-poor job of informing the American people about the potential hazards of ObamaCare but even so the American people are against the plan and Obama is scared - hence the misleading and disingenuous rhetoric in his speeches. They know they have to pass this very quickly before people actually have a chance to either read the bill or have people who have done so inform them about how bad this idea really is.

Let us be honest here. If on September 12, 2001 somebody told you that the President of the United States in 2009 was going to be someone named Barack Hussein Obama it would have been easy to conclude that the subsequent war on terror must not have gone very well. Practically nobody knew who he was and I argue that most of us still have no real idea. The even scarier thing is 52% of the voting population decided Obama was the better choice so they were the ones who may well have sealed our own demise as a nation. How will we ever thank them?

BTW, just a bit of history ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

BTW, just a bit of history re the UK's postwar economic problems. They maintained rationing for YEARS after the end of the war, selling off whatever they could to pay the debts.

1945 WWII Ends

25 July 1948 - End of flour rationing
15 March 1949 - End of clothes rationing
19 May 1950 - End of rationing for canned and dried fruit, chocolate biscuits, treacle, syrup, jellies and mincemeat.
September 1950 - End of rationing for soap
3 October 1952 - End of tea rationing
1953 - End of sweet and sugar rationing

4 July 1954 - All food rationing ends

So what sort of rationing are WE going to have re health care?

You overlooked the racism b... (Below threshold)
bill-tb:

You overlooked the racism built into the bill and the attendant bureaucracy. It's a nice touch.

What was there about the Rev Wright and his get whitey sermons you didn't get.

Patrick: great case of ODS,... (Below threshold)

Patrick: great case of ODS, just how do you know for a fact that Obama was aware of that provision? No difference between this and the lefties claiming that Bush knew Hussein had no WMDs or that he invaded Iraq because he wanted to impress his father.

Lets hope Teddy does die in... (Below threshold)
914:

Lets hope Teddy does die in time to save some grub for the worms..

From reading some of the co... (Below threshold)
Rich:

From reading some of the comments on KOS and HUFF(cough and hurl),the main thing the libs(at least the looney left parts) seem to care about is that the evil corporate insurance companies die. They don't care about anything else. It doesn't matter what it does to the country as long as the "haves" get soaked to take care of the "have nots". At least thats what I got from about 5% of their comments. The other 95% was just congratulating each other on thier clever comments against anyone who disagrees with them. Kinda like AB' s droppings.

Holy cow. Spam comment 31 ... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

Holy cow. Spam comment 31 almost sounds halfway logical until you read the parts where it says, "Progressive democrats the Tri-Caucus and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust government-run public option for all Americans,"
and, "If President Obama has to declare a NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY to rescue the American people from our healthcare crisis, he will need all the sustained support you can give him. STICK WITH HIM! He's doing a brilliant job."

Don't give up your guns, and do not vote for a government-run = government-OWNED healthcare program. Socialism is one step closer to communism, and the "common good" is a big, fuggin lie.

Cleanup on Aisle 31. Someo... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Cleanup on Aisle 31. Someone's spam exploded.

Sorry, LaMedusa - didn't se... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Sorry, LaMedusa - didn't see you there with the shovel.

There was another one of those little blurbs posted on a previous thread - near as I recall this is word-for-word identical...

Jacksmith, learn first writ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jacksmith, learn first write second. Since the CDC raised the level of swine flu to 6, medicines were made available to hospitals for no charge. A person does have to make a determination if he or she is sick. Or maybe we can create a Health Check Czar to touch base with everyone daily to see how they are doing. ww

Steve:If he did no... (Below threshold)
Patrick:

Steve:

If he did not know about that provision than is that any less scary than if he did? I get tired of liberals being in such a rush to pass legislation without even reading it. NOTHING has to be done in such a hurry that the people voting on such legislation don't have time to read the bills and all the underlying details. It is OUR money after all.

#31K, will get bac... (Below threshold)
914:

#31

K, will get back to you when I give a shit.


Respectfully Yours.... Jeff

Patrick: great case of O... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Patrick: great case of ODS, just how do you know for a fact that Obama was aware of that provision? No difference between this and the lefties claiming that Bush knew Hussein had no WMDs or that he invaded Iraq because he wanted to impress his father.

Pretty amazing. Either Obama is too stupid to know that the bill he is forcing down our throats contradicts one of his central campaign promises, or he does know, and he's lying to us. Tough choice.

"It is OUR money after a... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"It is OUR money after all."

Not as far as they're concerned, Patrick. As peasants, we exist to support the aristocracy.

Patrick: great case of O... (Below threshold)
sue:

Patrick: great case of ODS, just how do you know for a fact that Obama was aware of that provision? No difference between this and the lefties claiming that Bush knew Hussein had no WMDs or that he invaded Iraq because he wanted to impress his father.

Wow, Steve. The bill is HIS bill, HIS party is writing it. If he didn't know about it then it is a case of incompetency and he shouldn't be president.

You saying that it is the same as lefties "mind reading", "assumptions" and "opinions" taken as "fact" about President Bush simply means you can't deal with intellect and logic.

It's one thing to think there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq - with the lefties claiming he lied about it, and their opinion of why he invaded Iraq---it's another to not know or claim to not know what is in the bill he himself (Obama) is writing and promoting.

When one is on the Battlefi... (Below threshold)
Angellight:

When one is on the Battlefield for positive change, one cannot pause to worry and fret about "allegdely" sinking poll numbers.... that is a "trojan horse", For One cannot worry about the Separated Self, when they have the People's business to do!

In regards to the current debate, Healthcare costs are one of the culprits Directly related to our collapsing economic condition. We are drowning in this quicksand which calls for urgent and immediate address and attention. This time is Urgent, the time is Now!

It is hard to Change old habits of greed and selfish power to one of cooperation and a public good for all. Pres. Obama is going up against a Monster of Greed and Corruption that does not want to give up its power. This monster will Lie, Steal and Deceive. We the people must not allow this Monster of Corruption to continue to have its way, which will only continue to bankrupt the United States. We must stand firm with Pres. Obama who truly represents the Change the people need and have voted for.

If we in our own lives can do more than One thing at a time, so can Congress, and it is their duty and business to do so. If those in Congress want to continue to be a Do Nothing Congress, than we must elect leaders who can do Something for the whole of humanity and not just the separated self or special interest party.

Members of Congress have great insurance coverage, and a cushy salary. They do not live under the fear of unemployment and no insurance coverage. They are there to work on Behalf of the People, so they too, do not have to live in that fear... Yet, while in the care and leadership of the GOP, Congress has done a miserable job on taking care of the people and now the GOP want to obstruct the Democrats from putting into laws that which will benefit the people and grow the economy, not bankrupt it. But people are turning a deaf ear to the deceitful "Wizards of Oz" for they want us to continue to travel their yellow brick road of deception. We must become immune to their lies and vigilant to their deception if we are to make progress towards sanity again.

I call on those of goodwill to work, speak-up and Stand firm for Change and for transformation -- towards a more just and equitable government for all.

Cleanup on Aisle 43 - Secon... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Cleanup on Aisle 43 - Secondary Spam explosion.

Why not have a spam explosi... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Why not have a spam explosion about tort reform if you REALLY care about healthcare costs?

Yeah, I didn't think so....

Um ??Angellight, t... (Below threshold)
914:

Um ??

Angellight, they are both corrupted by the money control and power they feel they wield over us.. The Dems are doing what Bush did X 4 with deficits and big Government so, Its a loss cause whichever party is the "Ruling Class" We have to form a new party and flush out D.C.

Jeff

ODA315 -If you che... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

ODA315 -

If you check the previous occupations of most of the folks in Congress...

Well, what can I say? Lawyers look out for each other. You won't see tort reform until the tar and feathers are broken out. And we're not quite THAT impolite yet.

#43 -Angellight-you got any... (Below threshold)
Dr. Carlo Lombardi:

#43 -Angellight-you got any lace wigs for sale or Nike shoe deals?

I recently got an email fro... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

I recently got an email from angellight. She had to get money out of the Congo and offered me a hell of a deal.......

"what's the punishment for ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"what's the punishment for not cooperating?"

You will be denied all healthcare plain and simple.


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Obama

"You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about."

Let's see grandmothers are more familiar with Obama's keypiece legislation, the milestone of his career than he is. Okay right. Who are we going to believe him or our lying eyes.

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Asshole brown said

"Two years of discussion of healthcare reform during the election and fifty years of discussion before that is not "rushing" it."

Yep and Per Obama it is above his pay grade to answer a question on abortion which has been the center piece of politics for only about 40 years or so.

And writing a bill of over 1000 pages, talking about it for 2 weeks when it will have consequesnces for years to come IS RUSHING IT.

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Angellight #43 is back and is plagurizing again.

Is it just me, or do Anglel... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Is it just me, or do Anglelight and hsr0601 use the same odd sentence construction?

You are right on target wit... (Below threshold)
Lisa:

You are right on target with your post! If this is passed, our nation will come apart at the seams, and it will NOT be pretty. We're already headed there, and we only have Congress to stop it from happening.

Someone is disagreeing with... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

Someone is disagreeing with me in comment #43. Please delete it. Thanks.

Someone disagrees with all ... (Below threshold)
914 proud to be KENYAN:

Someone disagrees with all my posts. Please delete them.
Thanks.

What is this persons proble... (Below threshold)
jo:

What is this persons problem. He has some lackies around him giving him wrong advice. Either that or he doesnt understand evey day happenings.

"Sorry, LaMedusa - didn't s... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

"Sorry, LaMedusa - didn't see you there with the shovel."

JLawson ~ LOL!

The great thing about these spam droppings is you can sometimes google where else they might be posted, and add the same response in each location. Saves a lot of time sifting through garbage.

All things considered the D... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

All things considered the Democrat House had no need of ANY Republican votes to pass this legislation.

The mere fact that Obama and Pelosi could not jam this stinking pile of crap posing as 'Health Care' through the House should be indicative as to how badly things are going for them with their constituents. It is probably also indicative of how the voters are trending in relation to who they'll be voting for..

'scorched earth' isn't a... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

'scorched earth' isn't an apt metaphor

I agree...more like a Pyrrhic victory, I should think.

Pyrolysis indeed.... (Below threshold)

Pyrolysis indeed.




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