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Obama's Presser: Some Brief Thoughts

There will be a healthcare reform bill passed sometime this year, but it will not resemble the healthcare reform that has been debated and drafted in Washington during the last several weeks.

When faced with a choice between their own reelection and handing President Obama an expedient piece of legislation, Congress will do what it does best: act in its own self interest. Barrack Obama had a slim chance to change the debate tonight and he failed. He failed because his rhetoric long ago reached the point of diminishing returns. He failed because voters are singularly focused on their pocketbooks and their jobs (or lack of one). He failed because voters believe he owns the economy and they see nothing on the horizon but more job losses and a shrinking economy. He failed because the charm, while it may still captivate the Washington press corps, is not working anymore in flyover country and the Democrats in Congress know it.

President Obama's biggest political problem for the next year and one half will not be the Republican Party even though he will use them as a convenient straw man, the ubiquitous "they" in every debate he can't win on substance (which is almost all of them). The President's major problem is a Democratic Congress that he can't run with and he can't run against. And the economy. ObamaCare is dead. Cap and Trade is dead. However, unemployment and a shrinking economy will torment this President everyday until the 2010 midterms, at which time he may well become a lame duck.


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Turn out the lights its ove... (Below threshold)
UncleZeb:

Turn out the lights its over Obambi! LOLOLOLOLOL

Is it too late for a recall... (Below threshold)
914:

Is it too late for a recall of this nincompoop?

We may have just seen the b... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

We may have just seen the beginning of 3 1/2 years of A LAME DUCK PRESIDENT.

Good point GarandFan...The ... (Below threshold)
914:

Good point GarandFan...The first six month's He was Daffy Duck. The next 42 months He is a Lame Duck..After that He's an Ugly duckling for life.

Obama has never really acco... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

Obama has never really accomplished anything other than being a part of something bigger than himself. There ARE those who did accomplish their goal of electing a (practically speaking) non American who had never done anything. You can count Obama out, but not those guys who ran the show. I'm not afraid of the wizard but that guy behind the curtain still scares me.

Somewhere Rahm is working o... (Below threshold)
Hermie:

Somewhere Rahm is working on a manufactured crisis which the Won can try to exploit.

Note how he kept blaming the Bush Administration for his problems (although he had been a US Senator for 4 years, and part of the majority since 2007), and the Republicans for obstructing his plans (although the Dems still control both the House and Senate.).

But it's not about him...

and what's this with calling the Cambridge police stupid? He says that he doesn't have all the facts, yet blames the cops while pushing the racism meme.

I'm bookmarking this post!<... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

I'm bookmarking this post!

Adrian is worrie...he is re... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Adrian is worrie...he is realizing his ducky is a lame ducky.

Im bookmarking this pos... (Below threshold)
914:

Im bookmarking this post!

Thank's for sharing.

Saw the presser. MSNBC's Ma... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

Saw the presser. MSNBC's Matthews' hang dog
look is priceless. Bammy laid an egg. Then
he scrambled it. Now the Dems have to clean
up the kitchen. Pelosi "doesn't do dishes."

Even the teleprompter was e... (Below threshold)
914:

Even the teleprompter was embarrased for Him tonight!

There are enough votes in t... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

There are enough votes in the House to pass the bill.

"Democrats command the votes needed to pass a sweeping health care bill through the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday"

Next stop, the Senate.

If the house had enough vot... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

If the house had enough votes then why the embarrassing lie-a-thon tonight?

PS, THANK GOD for the Porkulus. We'd have been 9 trillion in debt instead of just 7 trillion....lololol. Psst, I'm curious just where that 9 trillion in spending would have come from. Oh never mind. If the Prez said it, it MUST be true.

Not so fast on Pelosi havin... (Below threshold)
Brandon In Baton Rouge:

Not so fast on Pelosi having the votes... she may have the simple majority needed to pass the bill but the Blue Dogs insist they've got it bottled up in the Energy Committee.

The fact that they canceled that committee's meeting on health care the last two days, including one today just hours before Obama's prime-time press conference, shows that they didn't have the votes.

The Obvious One:Yo... (Below threshold)
David Marcoe:

The Obvious One:

You may want to check your sources, as Pelosi sure isn't acting like she has the votes and a leading Blue Dog say she doesn't have them. The story is here on Ace of Spades.

Obama accused GREEDY DOCTOR... (Below threshold)

Obama accused GREEDY DOCTORS of operating on children to take their tonsils out because they "look at the fee schedules are realize they can make more money if they operate"! (the link is over at HotAir...watch the whole clip!)

Oh, and Obama showed his command of all things medical with this "sterling" piece of, well, "stuff" [word for word]:

"If there's a blue pill and a red pill, and the blue pill is half the price of the red pill and works just as well, why not pay half price for the thing that's going to make you well?"

Clear? Obviously we need cheaper and more effective blue pills, though red pills are fine when they're half-price, which they are but only when you buy them in bulk! But since we buy green pills, 'cause they're kinda purty, none of this matters!

Lynn Sweet, the Chicago rep... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

Lynn Sweet, the Chicago reporter who asked
this Gates question has been an a**-licker
for Obama and the Dems for years. She tried
to give him a "breather" question and opened
up a can o' worms that will hurt Obama much
more than his impotency on economic and health
questions. Sometimes, big things come in
little packages.

"If the house had enough... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

"If the house had enough votes then why the embarrassing lie-a-thon tonight?"

Isn't it obvious? We still have to get this through the Senate.

That's what the Ace of Spades post says also.

"While Pelosi said she has "no question" that Democrats have the votes they need, she stopped short of promising the full House would act on the legislation before beginning a monthlong vacation at the end of July.

"We are waiting to see what the president says, and what the Senate will do," she said."

Obviously...

The House vote is in hand. Next stop is the Senate. The Democrats will win one vote at a time until enough Senate votes are in hand.

It'll pass, as is.

Are You serious Justrand? H... (Below threshold)
914:

Are You serious Justrand? He really said this stuff? Ha ha ha ha ha... Maybe We should keep Him around awhile just for shits and giggles.

Did I hear him say that he ... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

Did I hear him say that he inherited a huge deficit and he hasn't been able to "reduce it as much as he'd like?"
Can Axlerod throw in the towel now or does he have to wait for the standing eight count?

I have some questions that ... (Below threshold)
dnb:

I have some questions that I'd like answered:

Is this coverage going to match up to congressional coverage?
Where is healthcare cheaper while giving a better return? Is that the Cleveland Clinic?
Are doctors taking out tonsils to make more money? When I tell my GP I have a sore throat, it's usually allergy related. And I don't think she'd do the surgery (make the money) anyway. I'd probably get sent to a specialist.

If anyone can answer the above, thank you.

Still think the best and ch... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Still think the best and cheapest option would be to have a program where, if you make less than $10k/year, (verified through the IRS) you get a card entitling you to 6 visits per year to a doc-in-the-box clinic like Walgreens, CVS, and WalMart, and 'free' prescriptions from the $4 generic formulary. If you've got kids - they get 6 visits if they need them. If you need more, you can swap between cards in the same family, or pay a reduced price.

If you make more than $10k/year, you pay half the usual price (which is $50 to $60) and half on the prescriptions.

If you make more than $60k/year (single - $90k for a couple or family) - you're SOL on the government dime.

I realize it isn't anywhere near big enough or compex enough to really have a chance - but what the heck... think I should email the idea to Obama?

The first six month's He... (Below threshold)

The first six month's He was Daffy Duck. The next 42 months He is a Lame Duck

While the rest of America ducks and covers!

Soaring rhetoric cannot hid... (Below threshold)
Trajan:

Soaring rhetoric cannot hide inadequacy. This
glib "community organizer" can't even organize
his OWN PARTY! But he hit it out of the park
when he said that the police "acted stupidly"
in the Gates case. He'll get a lot more black
votes in 2012. That'll push him over the top, for sure.

Like it Lawson. How about i... (Below threshold)
mpw280:

Like it Lawson. How about if you are uninsured, you pay what the insurance negotiated price is instead of some super inflated tax accountable price might be. Also, how about I can contract health insurance on my terms from any state in the union, oh wait that might f'ck up the works for the nat'l program and all the dickheaded claused state health programs that are out there. Let me choose, let me move, let me figure out what is best for me. MPW

#21I have no insur... (Below threshold)
914:

#21

I have no insurance so Congress has Me beat anyways.

Ive been to a Doctor once in the last 30 years..I would have to be pretty ill to ever go again. If I get really sick I live with it.

Anything the Government gets involved in becomes a big nightmare.

I opt out of the system altogether..

Thank You.

The obvious(Ly delierous) O... (Below threshold)
retired military:

The obvious(Ly delierous) One

"There are enough votes in the House to pass the bill.

"Democrats command the votes needed to pass a sweeping health care bill through the House, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday"

Next stop, the Senate.
"

Yep and Pelosi was never briefed on enhanced Interrogation techniques either.

Keep on believing her and keep on drinking the kool aid.

"but it will not resemble t... (Below threshold)

"but it will not resemble the healthcare reform that has been debated and drafted in Washington during the last several weeks."

My guess is they'll pass an SCHIP expansion to something like $100,000 with no limits on age.

" But he hit it out of the ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

" But he hit it out of the park
when he said that the police "acted stupidly"
in the Gates case. "

I wonder how the Cambridge police feel about Brocko calling them stupid, after admitting he didn't know the facts of the case? It's not like they are in some conservative area; it's a hotbed of Lefties like Obama.

Some intrepid reporter should ask the Cambridge P.D. for their thoughts on what the Prez said.
They should also ask any P.D., for that matter. Wonder how the rank-and-file boys in blue think about it.

Excellent analysis. Sports... (Below threshold)

Excellent analysis. Sports commentators point out when rookies get a hit that says, "Welcome to the NFL." This is the "Welcome to the big Leagues" for BHO. The Gang of Six and others have BHO tied over a barrel with his pants around his knees asking him what's in it for them.

It pleased them to let the kid run wild for a while.. they benefited from TARP and STIMULUS along with Wall Street and the Unions and the kid took the heat.

But now it's time to earn some respect while appearing to be "moderate" and gaining some distance from the looting and pillaging.

Here we go blaming the "gre... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

Here we go blaming the "greedy doctors" again. It seems that every time health care comes up it is the "greedy doctors" that get called to task. How about blaming the ambulance chasing lawyers for a change? It is lawyers like the Silky Pony and Barry, that have driven up the health care cost in this country. As I stated in previous thread here, the way to lower the cost of everything, specifically health care is for Congress to put in meaningful tort reforms. We all know that will never happen as long as there are trial lawyers in the leadership positions of the House and Senate, but sometimes wishes do come true.

If anyone paid close attent... (Below threshold)
Hank:

If anyone paid close attention, it's obvious Obama is talking out of his ...

Early on we have the usual "...why I inherited a $1.3-trillion deficit."

Later we get this gem?

"Already we've estimated that two-thirds of the cost of reform can be paid for by reallocating money that is simply being wasted in federal health-care programs."

That's one hell of a selling point, admitting that money is already wasted in present federal health programs.

Also interesting is that he had to include:

"So let me be clear. This isn't about me."

Right. The fact he had to have a press conference to sell this shows how desperate he is. This is coming apart at the seams and he knows it. Now, who to blame?

JLawsonet al. No need to r... (Below threshold)
epador:

JLawsonet al. No need to re-invent the wheel. Thanks to a program dramatically increased by that evil GWB, the FQHC and Rural Health Clinics provide primary medical and dental care to folks on a sliding scale fee schedule across the nation. We rely heavily on the $4/$10 generics, but there are a bevy of "free" drug programs (see NeedyMeds.com) that we also help enroll our patients in. Some rely heavily on grants, but others, such as Virginia Garcia, manage to keep their financial plan solid with good economic management and community partnerships. ObamaCare could potentially destroy these clinic systems in favor of replacing them with ObamaCare clinics.

Don't mistake FQHC care with WalMart Care, however. Its quality and its not imported from China.

Obivious One(there is a con... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Obivious One(there is a contridiction in terms) - so if the Botox nitwit says something you automaticaly take it as truthful? How utterly naive.

Well, he worked hard during... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Well, he worked hard during his extended pre-election campaign getting all pumped up training for his 4 year marathon as president. The gun sounds and he's off but he leaves the starting line with no strategy, not pacing himself just going all out. What does he find??? He's spent way, way before the finish line, tired, confused and now what does he do? That's what his press conference looked like to me. Heck, we could have gotten just as incisive a performance out of Biden except with higher entertainment potential.

"There are enough votes in ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

"There are enough votes in the House to pass the bill."

That's all that really matters, isn't it, Oblivious One? A political win. It doesn't seem to matter to you how bad the bill is, how badly it is being crafted by partisan hacks or that it will bankrupt the country. It's all about partisan politics. You sound like a clip from Tank Girl: "Say it. Say it. Say 'I won.'"

Maybe this and many other issues would actually help the people of this country instead of engorging the politicians of the hard left and their lobbyists. This is the largest bill in history, making permanent changes to 20% of our economy, and you want to jam it down our throats after 2 weeks of utopian dreaming by a bunch of conceited lawyers in the back rooms of the Capitol.

Son, you need some help with your critical thinking skills.

It seems pretty obvious who... (Below threshold)
epador:

It seems pretty obvious who has taken the blue pills and who chose the red ones. Obama needs us to all take the blue pill. And we haven't.

What a shoot-yourself-in-the-foot reference!

Sorry for the typo's...... (Below threshold)
914:

Sorry for the typo's...

"The Obvious one" was supposed to be " The Oblivious One"

Thank you for your understanding in this regard...

Hank:" Later we get ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Hank:
" Later we get this gem?

"Already we've estimated that two-thirds of the cost of reform can be paid for by reallocating money that is simply being wasted in federal health-care programs."

That's one hell of a selling point, admitting that money is already wasted in present federal health programs. "

.

They admit that there is tens of billions "being wasted in federal health-care programs". So why don't they reform the present programs and stop wasting our money?!

Why don't they demonstrate that they can save this money first, BEFORE they take over the health care system?


You're not supposed to ask ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

You're not supposed to ask that question, Les - you're just supposed to take it as a given that the waste that's going on right now will magically disappear once the program is expanded.

I just want to see all the ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

I just want to see all the Pols asked

'So you admit that billions were wasted on these programs, and you didn't stop it?
You admit that billions are being wasted today and you aren't stopping it today?
You admit that billions were/are/will continue to be wasted by YOU, and your solution is to let the entire thing to be taken over by YOU?'

Malfeasance. Impeachable malfeasance.

To add to J and Les's point... (Below threshold)
J.R.:

To add to J and Les's point, for some reason the elimination of waste can only be coupled with the addition of coverage for others. Why these two have to remain together is beyond me. Also, why does the One think that he can eliminate all this waste (like it hasn't been tried before!) while his "stimulus" package that he also claimed wouldn't waste any money is proving otherwise.

and the Republicans for ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

and the Republicans for obstructing his plans (although the Dems still control both the House and Senate

Um, last I checked, the Senate and House have fillibuster-proof majorities. How can the Republicans obstruct?

Why, they're probably talki... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Why, they're probably talking across the aisle and persuading easily-swayed Dems that maybe FUBARing the economy might cause problems when it comes to their re-election chances!

This must be stopped!!!!

Is this coverage going t... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Is this coverage going to match up to congressional coverage?
Where is healthcare cheaper while giving a better return? Is that the Cleveland Clinic?
Are doctors taking out tonsils to make more money? When I tell my GP I have a sore throat, it's usually allergy related. And I don't think she'd do the surgery (make the money) anyway. I'd probably get sent to a specialist.

1. Phhf. Please. How many mandates have Congress passed that it's excempted itself from?

2. When you pay for healthcare out of pocket.

3. I imagine doctors would be far more inclined to NOT do the surgury, as it would reduce the chance of opening themselves up to a malpractice suit.

Next stop, the Senate.</... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Next stop, the Senate.

Yep, and that's where it will stop...in the Senate.

MAY the Lame Duckery begin!... (Below threshold)
G.:

MAY the Lame Duckery begin!

A Lame Duck is too good for... (Below threshold)
914:

A Lame Duck is too good for Him.

He is a Shame Duck. Should be ashamed of Himself for hating America so much.

Now there is talk that the ... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

Now there is talk that the Dems are going to forgo the August recess to get the health care bill out of the various committees and onto the floor of the House. Majority Whip Clyburn said that earlier. Somehow, I kind of doubt that will happen, as we all know the Congress critters will not be caught dead in DC in August, especially the Dems

Yo, Adrian! Did you bookma... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Yo, Adrian! Did you bookmark this one? There're some doozies in this thread. I know none of them are flattering to the Democrats in Washington, but you really should bookmark it. I know *I* am.

Yo, Adrian! Hows Rocky doin... (Below threshold)
914:

Yo, Adrian! Hows Rocky doing? Is He doing a Rambo 6 or not? thanks.

>> "There are enough votes ... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

>> "There are enough votes in the House to pass the bill."

> "That's all that really matters, isn't it, Oblivious One? A political win. It doesn't seem to matter to you how bad the bill is, how badly it is being crafted by partisan hacks or that it will bankrupt the country."

What doesn't matter is the spittle-soaked rants from the right that are hoping -- praying -- that the bill won't pass and that it will be "Obama's Waterloo".

What does matter, to me at least, is that health care reform happens. I don't get to write the bill, and the Republicans in Congress aren't willing to sit at the table and forge viable alternatives, so like the rest of the country I'm at the mercy of what the Dems in Congress do.

But we have to do something. That's obvious.

Yeah Oblivion One, The repu... (Below threshold)
914 proud to call George Obama a friend:

Yeah Oblivion One, The repubics dont have the nads to stampede the barricaded doors and vanquish the brownshirts and trustees of modern chemistry. but We out here in middle America will not be Neville Chamberlained ever again.

The presser was embarassing... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The presser was embarassing. It struck me as desperate. He had to use the GW line, the economical crisis, but omitted the dems responsibility in regards to oversight. He started his statement being agressively political then states healthcare should not be political. What a chooch. ww

"and the Republicans in Con... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"and the Republicans in Congress aren't willing to sit at the table and forge viable alternatives"

Another deceiptful dem strawman. Otherwise considered a lie.

Pelosi has used every trick at her disposal to lock the Repubs out of the discussion. btw, go look up Tom Coburn's alternative, if you can tear away from the KOS or Huff post.

In regards to post #26... (Below threshold)
914 proud to call George Obama a friend:

In regards to post #26

Who the hell gives Me a negative vote for saying I opt out of the systern of Gubermint?

Is Brrocks teleprompter tryin to avenge last nights dismal non tearjerking performance? or are the trolls just upset He laid a Mother f n Goose rotten egg?

So , Oblivious is one of th... (Below threshold)
apb:

So , Oblivious is one of the 5% that don't have health insurance? The 45 million uninsured number is a complete fabrication - once you subtract out 15 million illegals and 15 million who have access to insurance but don't want to pay, what's left?

"...15 million who have ... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

"...15 million who have access to insurance but don't want to pay, what's left?"

Don't want to pay? Or can't afford to?

I am fortunate in that I have excellent health insurance, but I know some who don't -- and that's not right. And it's not because "they don't want it" - that's ridiculous.

In this great country of ours everyone should have access to health care. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't.

That's obvious to everyone except the spittle-soaked few, so the question is what do we do about it?

"Nothing" is the answer we got from 8 years of George Bush's Republican administration.

"Nothing" is the answer you get from many on the right today.

"In this great country of o... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"In this great country of ours everyone should have access to health care. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't."

Fine. Are you willing to see the amount of income tax you pay double or triple to pay for someone else's medical care? And THEN have your 'excellent' care stripped off and forced to take what the government will give you?

"In this great country of o... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"In this great country of ours everyone should have access to health care."

Everyone does, even illegal aliens.

" It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't. "

You lie. They do.

"Fine. Are you willing t... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

"Fine. Are you willing to see the amount of income tax you pay double or triple to pay for someone else's medical care? "

Let's see. I'm in the 28% tax bracket. And you're saying that will go to 53% (double) or 84% (triple)?

What are you smoking, dude, and did you buy it legally?

A fine example of a strawman argument.

Are you willing to be eaten by alligators if this bill doesn't pass?

Equally ridiculous. Nobody -- NOBODY -- not even the CBO, is predicting massive tax hikes.

Is that what you do? Sit around and make up horror stories to scare people into your way of thinking.

It's a silly argument, but that's obvious.

Oblivious -Where d... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oblivious -

Where does the government get its money? Taxes, right? And borrowing?

You're aware that other countries are starting to get more than a bit wary of buying more US debt, aren't you?

Do you really think, with China even now looking at an alternative world currency, that the US will be able to borrow even MORE to pay for health care?

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time believing that scenario. There's limits, and we're starting to see them.

I really suggest you look at what happened with the Hawaii, Tennessee, and Massachusets 'free' health care systems. Someone pays. Someone always pays. And the only source of money the government has is the taxpayer.

That's you. That's me. That's the folks who actually work, who own businesses, who employ people. But if you tax the business owners more, you're going to impact the economy, and revenue will drop because the businesses will fail.

We're already seeing that - the IRS income is down considerably. But if you raise taxes further on the businesses - you're going to see a lot more fail, or they'll let workers go in a last-ditch attempt to keep the business going.

Unemployment rises - which will put a larger demand on the limited money available for government.

The solution? Tax the workers more - and they'll bitch, but the economy will keep staggering along.

And it's no horror story - it's just something that's plain and clear. We saw it in the '70s - but I think Obama's going to really outdo Carter on the economic idiocy front. Add in cap and trade and what IT will do to the economy - and you're really going to see a time which will make the Carter years seem like a paradise.

So how much are you willing to be taxed for 'free' health care?

In this great country of ou... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

In this great country of ours everyone should have access to health care. It's absolutely ridiculous that they don't. So states obvious one.

Who is not granting access to healthcare. Last I looked, you can get checked out at any doctor for about $200.00 for a moderate visit. So pay it. Go without drinking and smoking or clubbing. Are you lefty loons saying most cannot put together a few bucks for a visit? Lie, lie, lie. They choose to not do it, but want me to pay it for them. This whole program is predicated on a lie.

"How much more should peopl... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

"How much more should people pay?" is a good question.

"Do you want your taxes to double or triple?" is a ridiculous question.

For me, I'd like the increased cost to taxpayers to be as little as possible - only enough to provide the basic health care coverage that ALL of MY fellow countrymen and women and children deserve.

Right now the left is running off making big plans that will cost more than they need to.

It's just a crying shame there is no counter-balancing force from the right to forge a better compromise - but the right is so busy hoping this will be "Obama's Waterloo" that they are sitting on the sidelines throwing matches at the health care reform parade.

If health care reform doesn't happen now, there will be a groundswell of support in 2010 to boot out the remaining Republicans who are doing nothing but praying for this to fail.

If you look at the 2006 and 2008 elections that should be obvious.

Oblivious one - the 2006/20... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Oblivious one - the 2006/2008 elections were not about healthcare reform you dolt. Right now polls show a majority against this Dim healthcare idiocy. If you would just pull your pinhead out of your ass...you would realize that the Dims are the ones who are going to pay dearly at the polls for their support of this idiocy.

You still haven't addressed... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

You still haven't addressed exactly why this bill has to pass next week. You seem to think it's perfected legislation, and it's not. By every indication, it's a hodgepodge of crap thrown together by a committee of lawyers in a hurry, with a partisan axe to grind. But maybe that's just me.

Not many people disagree that some sort of change is desirable. Even the spittle-soaked Republican devil worshippers like me. But don't jam it down my throat and tell me it's the only possible solution, or that it has to be done with no public review. If you really think that, then the Congressional reconciliation process will be right up your alley, but I'm sorry to say you're an idiot if you do, and you will be confirming my earlier doubts about your critical thinking skills.

If you can't discriminate between what's politically desirable for Democrats and what's best for the country, then to hell with you.

Obvious onea. the... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Obvious one

a. the dems have majorities in the House and the Senate. THey dont need the republicans to pass this. Why cant Obama get his own party to pass the bill? I mean if it as great as you say then they have absolutely nothing to worry about.

b. I can prove to you that EVERYONE has access to health care. Put on some dirty torn clothing, go down to your hospital emergency room and tell them you need to see a doctor for some symptoms (you contrive whatever you think is best). Tell them you have no insurance and no way to pay. You will get seen by a doctor. It may take a few hours but you will still get seen.


c. "Nobody -- NOBODY -- not even the CBO, is predicting massive tax hikes. "

Really? what do you consider to be massive? 5%? 10%? Have you heard about the national sales tax they are talking about which will go on top of the income tax? They are already talking about a 5% surcharge on those who make above X dollars. As soon as they run short of money do you honestly think that the X dollar figure wont go down.
What about the $2500 fine (AKA TAX) if you dont have an acceptable plan?

Are you blind or just willfully ignorant?

d. NAME ONE GOVT PROGRAM THAT HAS COME IN ON TARGET AND WITHIN BUDGET?? Just one.

e. NAME ONE GOVT PROGRAM THAT HASNT CONTINUED LONG PAST IT's USEFULNESS? THink hard about that tax that we stopped paying in about 2002 for the Spanish American war.

f. Name one program that this is patterned after that has worked? Hawaii care? Tenncare? Mass Care? They have all failed and failed MISERABLY.


g. "I don't get to write the bill, and the Republicans in Congress aren't willing to sit at the table and forge viable alternatives,"

Actually they have offered about 250 amendments. What was it that the dems said when the republicans were in charge? Oh yeah "We dont have to offer alternatives we are in the minority"

h. WHy was it so so so mandatory and imminent and important to pass this bill prior to the AUG recess but now it is okay that it doesnt get passed before the AUG recesss? In fact he said this after saying it was okay to pass it after the AUG recess

"Sometimes, delay in Washington occurs because people don't want to do anything that they think might be controversial,"

Mighty strange talk for someone who voted PRESENT in the ILL State Senate 130 times.


GIve me some SENSIBLE answers to the above questions and maybe just maybe someone may pay attention to you.


It's not quite 24 hours sin... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

It's not quite 24 hours since Obama's press conference. And those hours have been rather enlightening for all of us.

Hugh, spot on! High marks! Your immediate prognostication has so far been borne out. I look forward to seeing how well the rest hold up.

UOG

Obvious One....The C... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Obvious One....
The CBO only addresses cost, not how to pay for said costs.

How do you think the cost that the CBO has called out should be paid for?




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