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He Said, He Said

Here's what President Obama said yesterday,

"First of all, no one is talking about a government takeover health care plan," Obama said after he took the podium for the town hall meeting near the produce section.

He insisted he has "tried to say this over and over again - if you are happy with your health care, if you are happy with your doctor, we are not going to force you to change.


Here's Barney Frank last weekend captured in a YouTube video speaking with a videographer from the liberal lobbying group Single Payer Action:

"I think if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer, and that's the best way to reach single payer."


Here' the Wikipedia definition of single payer:

Single-payer health care is a term used in the United States to describe the payment of doctors, hospitals, and other health care providers from a single fund. It differs from, and replaces, typical private health insurance where, through pricing and other measures taken by the insurer, the level of risks carried by multiple insurance pools as well as the coverage can vary and the pricing has to be varied according to the contribution of risk added to the pool. It is often mentioned as one way to deliver near-universal or universal health care. The administrator of the fund could be the government but it could also be a publicly owned agency regulated by law.

At least Barney Frank is honest about his goals, Obama not so much...


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Ummm, Obama and Frank are T... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Ummm, Obama and Frank are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, so it's not surprising that they have two different positions. Both are Democratic leaders, true, but....

This is analogous to McCain being in favor of "comprehensive immigration reform", which some call "amnesty", and Boehner being against it. Both are GOP leaders, but they may not agree on every issue.

We can also play he said/sh... (Below threshold)
caltransplant:

We can also play he said/she said with Nancy Pelosi. There is little doubt the government is itching to get involved in aa bigger insurance business than medicaid.

The fact is the democrats are bound and determined to have their utopian goal of neverending health care government windfall.

Get this--I supported Barack Obama in the primaries, because I had a bad taste for Hillary Care.

I have heard President Obama state that if we don't get it done this year, that it won't happen. That would be a dream for me, if I only had to fight it for another 5 months.

By opinion for Obama continues to plummet. Why can't he let go of this turkey?

He cannot let go of this be... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

He cannot let go of this because he is a closet Communist and is determined to force this on us. It is not about helping it is about controlling. Obama's Momma was a communist, his daddy was a communist, his mentor, Frank Davis was a communist. He went to a church with communist ties (Black liberation theology is communist based). The American Communist party supports and backs him. I am shocked people are suprised by his socialist tendencies.

While I hate to sound like ... (Below threshold)
arcman Author Profile Page:

While I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, there is a good chance that Frank Marshall Davis was more than Obama's mentor. There is a reason the birth certificate has not been released. The mistique that has developed around BHO, and the buzz about the book, Dreams of my Father, would make it very difficult for him if the birth certificate proved that FMD was his father instead of BHO Sr. One thing that advocates for single payer don't realize, and I have no love for insurance companies, but if a single payer system actually ends up as law in this country, there will be hundreds of insurance companies destroyed and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands unemployed. The Left has already almost destroyed manufacturing in this country. Where do they think the tax payer money is actually going to come from?

Barney Frank Sh*ts in Obama... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Barney Frank Sh*ts in Obama's mess kit.

Ones a liar, which one?

I am not sure if you guys l... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

I am not sure if you guys linked this before, but if you scroll past the diagram, you will see comments added to specific sections by a man named Peter Fleckstein, via his Twitter acct. A few of the more fascinating observations include,

"Pg 16: SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE. lines 3-26 of the HC Bill - OUTLAWS PRIVATE INSURANCE by forbidding enrollment after HR 3022 is passed into law.

Pg 21-22: SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 29: SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED: lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 30: SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 42: SEC. 142. DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50-51: SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, ILLEGAL or otherwise.

Pg 58: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individual's finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer. This means the government can go in and take your money right out of your bank account."
http://urbangrounds.com/2009/07/23/house-health-plan-hr-3200/

So essentially, healthcare benefits, treatment, and accessibility will be determined, audited, monitored and controlled by the government. Obama is saying that you can keep whatever insurance you have at the moment, but when this bill is voted on and signed into law, private insurance will dissolve, even through your employer. I believe Obama wants to hold off voting until October, so when the bill is approved, there will be a set date when the law goes into effect.

There are links at this web address to sort through all 1017 pages of HR gobbldy-gook if you have time or the inclination. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-3200

I'm just going to heave a big sigh and look for more petitions to sign.

Better to have a trillion d... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Better to have a trillion dollar private health insurance business led by the fatest growing group of multi millionaire CEO's decide whether you have the the privilege of being covered or not, when you are ill, rather than your right.

Steve -Honestly, I... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Steve -

Honestly, I'd rather have the health care insurance business than government medicine.

I spent 10 years active duty. Dental appointments were usually two to three months from request, waits for things as simple as an exam for a pair of glasses could take up to six months. The military system is good at care for trauma, good for emergency care - not good at all for other things, and I don't even WANT to think what it'd be like for issues related to aging.

For-profit businesses have at least some incentive to nominally take care of customers - because the customer will leave (if they can) if they don't.

Monopolies don't. And government health care woud be a monopoly.

La Medusa posts: PG 50-51: ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

La Medusa posts: PG 50-51: SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, ILLEGAL or otherwise.

Try going to Europe as an exchange student or on an extended visa for just about any purpose. You're required to show proof of your own insurance. They don't want you on their system. Here? We're ready to hand the government control to insure anyone at any time.

More and more from BARNSMEL... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

More and more from BARNSMELL FREAK and his blabbering piehole what else can we expect?

Oyster, this varies from co... (Below threshold)
Richard R:

Oyster, this varies from country to country greatly. In France, for example, you can a full coverage as an exchange student via your school/university somewhere for $40/month.
Yes, this $40 is all inclusive, even for the most bizarre problems.

That's the reason you have to go to a first checkup, because lot of people from french colonies come over with fake student ids to get their complex live threatening conditions fixed for $40/month.

Other countries vary. England is the bad variant of all "socialist" health care systems and should not be used as an example. They made lot things wrong.

From my standpoint, No Rati... (Below threshold)
hsr0601:

From my standpoint, No Rationing Is Required.

In case you are a doctor, and your pay is dependent upon your patient's outcome, you will more likely strive to prescribe the best medicine for your patient, let alone avoiding unnecessary cares, and hope your patient will feel better as promptly as possible.

Studies have documented that nearly one half of physician care in the United States is not based on best practices and that at least 98,000 Americans die of a 'medical error' each year.

Under the new health care program, practitioners are expected to eagerly and 'voluntarily' implement the 'recommendations' to work best for them, I think.

Nowadays, we can't imagine the society without IT SYSTEM, just to think of the bank that lacks it, presumably what we should fear most would be the medical institutes without the essential program. I think measurable savings in the transformative health program might be reached.

Thank So Much !

The innovative idea of 'a p... (Below threshold)
hsr0601:

The innovative idea of 'a pay for outcome' will most likely prompt team approach and decision, as at Myo clinic, and the result is a greater likelihood of correctly diagnosing and effectively treating a patient earlier in the process.

Studies have documented that nearly one half of physician care in the United States is not based on best practices and that at least 98,000 Americans die of a 'medical error' each year.

Under the 'pay for outcome' pack, supposedly best practices as 'recommendations' would simply help them make a better decision, and the government won't still have to meddle in the final, actual decision-making process as a non-expert.

Thank You !

The 'innovative' idea of a ... (Below threshold)
hsr0601:

The 'innovative' idea of a 'pay for value / outcome' pack came after the CBO had previously pointed out this health care reform wouldn't work without 'fundamental' change in the out of date system. It is said that as much as 30 percent of all health-care spending in the U.S. -some $700 billion a year- may be wasted on tests and treatments that do not improve the health of the recipients, and this 700 billion dollars a year can cover a lot of uninsured people.

The expected Benefits of this 'innovative idea' are as follows ;

1. Meet the objective of revenue-neutral.
Supporters of the agreement say it could save the Medicare System more than $100 billion a year and 'improve'
care, that means more than $1trillian over next decade, and virtually needs no other resources including tax on the
wealthiest. Supposedly even the 'conservative' number of such savings might be able to meet the objective of
revenue-neutral.

2. Quality and affordability.
If you are a physician, and your pay is dependant upon your patient's outcome, you will most likely strive to
prescribe the best medicine earlier in the process, let alone skipping the wasteful, unnecessary treatments.

3. No intervention in decision-making.
The innovative idea of 'a pay for outcome' will more likely prompt team approach and decision, as at Myo clinic.
Under the 'pay for outcome' pack, for good reason, best practices as 'recommendations' would simply help them
make a better decision, and the government won't still have to meddle in the final, actual decision-making
process as a non-expert.

4. Speed up the introduction of IT SYSTEM.
The pay for 'Outcome' pack is most likely to expedite the introduction of Health Care IT SYSTEM.
The synergy effect of the combined Health Care IT & a pay for 'outcome' system may allow the clinicians to
'correctly' diagnose and effectively treat a patient earlier in the process so that it can measurably scale back the
crushing lawsuits and deter the excuse for unnecessary cares to make fortunes.

5. Accelerate the progress in medical science, in return, it saves more cash.

6. Settle the regional disparity.

7. Reduce the emergency room visits & save immense costs.
Public health insurance plans such as Medicare and Medicaid paid for more than 40 percent of U.S. emergency
room visits in 2006, according to government figures released recently. Many experts say reducing these hospital
visits would be an important way to lower the enormous, and growing, expense of U.S. health care.

I share the opinion that unlike the insurer-friendly senate plan by 'some' members, only a strong public option will be capable of getting the premium inflation under control and saving the U.S in turbulence.
To my knowledge, a dual system tends to deliver better results than a pure single payer system. Supposedly, to be or not to be might be up to the innovations like a pay for value program, otherwise, the forthcoming start-ups may fill the void with competitive deals. The competition based on 'fair' market value would be a beauty of true capitalism, not monopoly, an objective for anti-trust.

Thank You !

-Some say we don't have fai... (Below threshold)
hsr0601:

-Some say we don't have faith in government, others say, we will be forced out.-
What kind of music does this reform dance to ?

I share the opinion that unlike the insurer-friendly, baseless senate plan by 'some' members, only a 'strong' public option will be capable of getting the premium inflation under control and saving the U.S in turbulence.
To my knowledge, a dual system tends to deliver better results than a pure single payer system. Supposedly, to be or not to be might be up to the innovations like a pay for value program, otherwise, the forthcoming start-ups may fill the void with competitive deals. The competition based on 'fair' market value would be a beauty of true capitalism, not monopoly, an objective for anti-trust.




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