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Recapping The Pelosi Swastika Reports

Yesterday we showed video of Speaker Pelosi claiming people were attending health care town hall meetings "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

After, and only after, my look through the lefty blogosphere and community sites turned up nothing on people carrying swastika signs, then - magically - a small picture lands in the hands of a Huffington Post reporter.

This photo shows a crude sign of not quite a swastika (the angle is wrong) with the no sign (red circle with a line through it) around it.

Operating on the assumption that the photo was legit I attempted to verify that it existed somewhere prior to Pelosi's proclamation. I found 133 high quality photos of the event where the sign is claimed to have been shown, many featuring massive panorama crowd shots. The person and the sign do not appear in any of the photos. The odds of that she isn't in any of the photos, or any of the other reporting about the event seem pretty long...

All of the above is documented in the original post.

Going forward you'll see more Hitler and swastika signs, carried by those attempting to buttress Pelosi's claims.

What you still will have an exceedingly hard time trying to find is evidence of is swastika signs at previous health care rallies that exist on the web from before the time when Pelosi made her claim.

And that appears to be her genius. By making the claim she insures it comes true in the future. Her supporters will guarantee that...

Don't believe me. Ask this guy who made a living posing as an ashamed Republican. The media couldn't stop falling for his shtick...


Update: First, I was wrong, the sign in question is in the batch of 133, it's easy to overlook, but visible here.

Second, our lefty friends want to claim that this is somehow proof that I had it all wrong. I didn't have anything wrong. At the time of Pelosi's statement that picture was unknown to everyone, me, the Huffington Post, everyone at Daily Kos, and even to Pelosi herself. It was only revealed after I proved that Pelosi's information wasn't coming from it's natural sources, the netroots and all its denisons. The sign itself (lame as it may be) generated zero notice, and wasn't noted in press accounts or netroot accounts.

More importantly the photo in question wasn't from a townhall meeting, it was from a street demonstration - there was no townhall meeting that day. In that regard it rates a FAIL as proof that Pelosi was right.

At the time of her proclaimation there was no proof of her assertion, and one picture (unknown to all) that existed before her statement, but didn't fall within the parameters of her assertion isn't proof of anything.

As James Taranto at The Wall Street Journal notes:

So was Nancy Pelosi right? Not a chance.

Let's review her words again: "I think they're AstroTurf. You be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care." Who carries swastikas? Nazis. Pelosi did not complain that the protesters were comparing ObamaCare to Nazism; she insinuated that they are Nazis.

Again there's plenty of examples of swastikas from previous tea party protests, and after the Pelosi video hit the front page on Drudge it doesn't take a genius to figure out that swastikas would magially start being found all over the place.

I'm comfortable with the fact that at the moment I hit publish (hours after the video hit) there was no evidence of people "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care," in the media or at any of the large liberal online communities.


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Comments (60)

Hitler upset that health ca... (Below threshold)
kbdabear:

Hitler upset that health care opponents haven't been squashed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvtWEG_vhQ

Kevin, this surprises you? ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Kevin, this surprises you? I've mentioned before that whatever Obama, Nancy or Harry says BECOMES FACT. It's part of the 'efficiency' of the current administration. Save all that unnecessary and unproductive time that used to be spent on fact checking.

Next week it wouldn't surprise me that all those old farts protesting will be accused of arson of government buildings.

Maybe we should get t-shirt... (Below threshold)
rita mccoy:

Maybe we should get t-shirts that say: "I'm a DEMOCRAT and ASHAMED of what my party has done to AMERICANS!

Swastika? Maybe yes, maybe ... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Swastika? Maybe yes, maybe no. Acting like nazi brownshirts - definitely. You folks ought to be proud.

Still Unrepentant -- damn r... (Below threshold)

Still Unrepentant -- damn right we're proud. We learned from the best.

Nice misdirection, Kevin. "... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

Nice misdirection, Kevin. "Hey -- Look at this guy"...

Actually, "I'm sorry" would have been a much better choice.

Apologizing after incorrectly labeling the U.S. Speaker of the House as a "bullshitter" would have been the adult thing to do.

Digging yourself into a deeper hole by ignoring that the photo that surfaced was taken a week ago -- and then misdirecting attention over to some liberal asshat as you try to deflect the heat of your mistake -- is pure immaturity at its best.

Where's your pride?

Actually this is nothing mo... (Below threshold)

Actually this is nothing more than the "McCain-Palin hate rallies" story redux. And you're right Kevin, from now on there will be Democrat operatives photographing each other holding swastika signs at any rally where Tea Party protesters are expected to show up. The prophecy must be fulfilled at all costs.

"Digging yourself into a de... (Below threshold)
Kevin Author Profile Page:

"Digging yourself into a deeper hole by ignoring that the photo that surfaced was taken a week ago"

I hardly ignored that. I addressed it head on. How do you know it was taken over a week ago when it turned up today. I linked to 133 photos taken that day and the woman and the sign appeared in none of them. I found the person next to her in the photo, but not her.

Is it not possible that the person or sign was digitally altered to appear today? Sure it is. Maybe that's what happened, maybe it's not, but the photo doesn't appear to have been posted anywhere before today. It was posted by someone who received it in an e-mail. I've asked for the original or source and haven't heard back yet...

The stink of desperation.</... (Below threshold)
Texan99:

The stink of desperation.

The Obvious One: That's it?... (Below threshold)
Ran:

The Obvious One: That's it?.. that's what your clinging to? a nazi sign after 8 years of the same shit and worse from Dems?.. Now THAT is funny!

Yesterday we showe... (Below threshold)
The Big O!:
Yesterday we showed video of Speaker Pelosi claiming people were attending health care town hall meetings "carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on healthcare."

That event a week ago (where the swastika picture magically appeared) wasn't a town meeting on healthcare. It was an outdoor protest (which was eventually rained out), with no scheduled speakers and no organized agenda beyond standing on the sidewalk while holding signs and chanting slogans.

But these facts aren't important because someone, somewhere, at some time, might have drawn a swastika on a piece of cardboard, ergo everything Pelosi claimed must be true.

And that is why Democrats are completely justified in fabricating stories about assaults, labelling non-Democratic voters as "un-American", and dispatching union thugs to beat up ordinary citizens.

Another day another [probab... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Another day another [probable] democrat-provocateur, swastika-donning incident:

16 Year-Old From Wasilla Wears Obama/Hitler T-Shirt at Denver Pelosi Event

http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/08/06/16-year-old-from-wasilla-wears-obamahitler-t-shirt-at-denver-pelosi-event/

Adrian -Damn, dude... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Adrian -

Damn, dude - you even bother looking at that?

You can't even read the tshirt - the top word is 'Hitler', but what does the rest say?

Besides, Adrian - the left already established what was acceptable in political discourse. You don't get to change it retroactively.

This really is absurd.<br /... (Below threshold)
Hank:

This really is absurd.
After years of protests against Bush, Cheney, Rice and others where the most vile signs and actions took place, the left has the nerve to complain about a single image of what is more than likely a liberal plant at a rally.

Give me a break!

JLawson,There was ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

JLawson,

There was a picture of Obama and the slogan

"Hitler gave good speeches, too"

It really doesn't get any uglier than that -- that's why it's a safe bet that he's probably a just a democrat-provocateur who wants to make Republicans look bad.

If republicans use Swatiska... (Below threshold)
retired military:

If republicans use Swatiskas on posters it is because we are recycling all the ones the dems arent using from the last 8 years.

SAVE THE PLANET.

Adrian:"It r... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Adrian:

"It really doesn't get any uglier than that"

Well, if that's as ugly as it gets, I'm glad your ever so delicate sensibilities are protected.

But I think you're going to be seeing much worse - and as I said before, the left has defined the boundaries of acceptable political protesting behavior.

In other words, you ain't got a f**king leg to stand on, you sanctimonious hypocrite. Go take your faux outrage over to FireDogshitLake, you'll find other fucking hypocrites there who will weep and scream and hyperventilate over how unfair it all is, and how wrong it all is, and just how mean it all is....

And you idiots won't ever take the responsibility for steering the discourse in that direction yourselves.

It's because of thes... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


It's because of these kind of tactics by [probable] democrat-provocateurs that we don't have a vice president Palin.

Hey, Adrian -<a hr... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Hey, Adrian -

Check out this.

h/t to James Cloniger.

It really doesn't get an... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

It really doesn't get any uglier than that

Sure it does. By bringing up "astroturf" and swastikas, the House Speaker was essentially saying that the American citizens involved are either Nazis or backed by Nazis. She did this in order to denigrate these citizens for no reason other than the fact that the citizens disagree with her. Typical liberal crap--avoid the issue, attack the opponent. But this woman is one of the most powerful people in the country and is way out of bounds in saying things like this.

Whether or not there somebody digs up a picture of a swastika is irrelevant to the issue of Pelosi's egregious conduct.

Some kid somewhere wearing some shirt which essentially says that mere speaking ability does not make a good leader might be ugly, but it's nowhere near as ugly as the House Speaker calling other Americans Nazis because she doesn't like their point of view.

Calling for a "Group F&&K Y... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Calling for a "Group F&&K YOU" for Adrian Brown-eye.... Back to DU fool..

IMO, what Obama/Pelosi will... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

IMO, what Obama/Pelosi will do now is stuff the events they can with supporters to present the appearance of wider support and attempt to marginalize any event they cannot control by claiming that it was a 'fringe' event (e.g. "carrying swastikas").

EVA(PELOSI)BRUAM i wonder w... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

EVA(PELOSI)BRUAM i wonder what she is trying for big headlines in the NEW YORK SLIMES,WASHINGTON COMPOST,ATLANTA URINAL CONSTIPATION,BOSTON SLOB,CHICAGO TRASHBIN,SLIMES,NEWSREEK as well as THE DECAY SHOW,GOOD MORONS AMERIKA,BS MORONS NEWS or what ever kind of bunk she can blabber

Confirming that photo 117 c... (Below threshold)
kevin (a different one):

Confirming that photo 117 contains the same swastika sign as the photo on the Huffington Post. But who cares. Nothing wrong with a little exercise of free speech now, is there Nancy?

Well there's nothing at all... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Well there's nothing at all wrong with exercising free speech. But when you're the party of old white men from the south and s few from the west, and you've lost big in the last 2 election cycles and the country is fast becoming one where white anglo-saxons will be a minority it may be about the stupidest politics in the world. But then again consider the source(s).

Together with Boss Limgbaugh making Nazi allegations and Mad Glenn Beck suggesting that Pelosi be poisoned etc etc etc I personally hope the denizens of wingnutia keep on excessing their freedom of speech.

I personally hope the de... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

I personally hope the denizens of wingnutia keep on excessing their freedom of speech.

Apparently you're the only one on your side who hopes this--every one else is trying as hard as they can to shut the conservative opposition down.

Re: "I personally hope the ... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Re: "I personally hope the denizens of wingnutia keep on excessing their freedom of speech."

I dunno. It's getting kinda dangerous.

From: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/0470FEB3219207458625760B001142AC?OpenDocument

"Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with "Don't tread on me" printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.

"It just seems there's no freedom of speech without being attacked," he said."

Fearless Leader Obama doesn... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Fearless Leader Obama doesn't think that conservatives should be exercising those pesky free speech rights.

http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dont-want-the-folks-who-created-the-mess-to-do-a-lot-of-talking/

Where are we getting our tr... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Where are we getting our trolls from these days? The quality sure has gone down. Looks like the ones with common sense aren't even trying to defend this crap legislation coming down the pipe and the only ones left are those willing to get on a blog and spout childlike epithets at those they don't like, croon dreamy eyed praise for their Democrat heroes and whine like little girls over bruised emotions.

Really. Please go back and peruse the comments for the absolute vitriol Obvious One has spewed here and then he has the gall to chastise someone for name calling - even when they didn't do it.

And SAUD wasted no time at all attempting anything like decorum or civility. His very first post here was a broad brushing ad hominem attack.

These two are slurping up the kool aid by the vat.
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And JLawson @ #17 - You rock.

OysterYeah he rock... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Oyster

Yeah he rocks. Or is he a "troll" passing himself off as a..... what??? Hmmm.

With language and "ad hominem" attacks like this why don't you tell us what #17 is: "In other words, you ain't got a f**king leg to stand on, you sanctimonious hypocrite."


You rock too Oyster, way out of your depth except for your smug sanctimony. And that's not an ad hominem attack, just the facts.

Going forward you'll see... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Going forward you'll see more Hitler and swastika signs, carried by those attempting to buttress Pelosi's claims.

Cute. Are "those attempting to buttress Pelosi's claims" also going back in time to do so? Were they the same folks I saw with signs portraying Obama as Hitler at the tea party in Chicago in April?

Or do you think Rush Limbaugh and Steve Gilbert are secretly trying to make the right look bad? How about Americans for Prosperity telling people that health care reform is the same as Hitlers "final solution?

Gee, those Democrats sure are crafty.

Btw, I thought Bush comparisons to Hitler were idiotic and made the left look bad. I welcome the right's adoption of the left's stupid and counterproductive tactics. Keep it up.

mantis:Btw, I tho... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

mantis:
Btw, I thought Bush comparisons to Hitler were idiotic and made the left look bad. I welcome the right's adoption of the left's stupid and counterproductive tactics. Keep it up.

That's just it. With a best little and at worst no factual basis, Pelosi is smearing the people who are protesting Obamacare by claiming that they have adopted the left's stupid and counterproductive tactics.

Pelosi is smearing the p... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Pelosi is smearing the people who are protesting Obamacare by claiming that they have adopted the left's stupid and counterproductive tactics.

They have, and there's plenty of factual basis for that claim. Want some more?

Here's a nice collection. And some more. And don't forget to involve your kids.

Thanks for those pics, mant... (Below threshold)

Thanks for those pics, mantis. Now, with the addition of a couple of giant paper-mache' puppet heads, they'd look just like one of your left-wing protest rallies.

Now, with the addition o... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Now, with the addition of a couple of giant paper-mache' puppet heads, they'd look just like one of your left-wing protest rallies.

They aren't my rallies, but look how well those worked for the left. They managed to stop the war, defeat Bush in 2004, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and, oh wait, they failed miserably? Who wouldn't want to adopt their tactics?

OregonMuse et al conflate f... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

OregonMuse et al conflate far-left protesters with Nancy Pelosi and the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, which is silly.

Unfortunately for the right, these people aren't patchouli-stank college kids with dreadlocks and a half-dozen Global Studies credits; these are "real Americans", the ones with blue blood that hate the rest of the world for thinking that they're stupid.

The lunatic fringe are a large part of the Republican Party now, considering how many have doubts about Obama's citizenship. That much is clear. What remains to be seen is, will the Republican "leadership" (ha!) attempt to marginalize these kooks, or will they embrace them and try to marshal their support for their own shitty ideas?

What remains to be seen ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

What remains to be seen is, will the Republican "leadership" (ha!) attempt to marginalize these kooks, or will they embrace them and try to marshal their support for their own shitty ideas?

What ideas?

Kevin wrote <blockquo... (Below threshold)
The Obvious One:

Kevin wrote

Operating on the assumption that the photo was legit I attempted to verify that it existed somewhere prior to Pelosi's proclamation. I found 133 high quality photos of the event where the sign is claimed to have been shown, many featuring massive panorama crowd shots. The person and the sign do not appear in any of the photos. The odds of that she isn't in any of the photos, or any of the other reporting about the event seem pretty long...

FAIL! We now know that she appears in a total of two photos, neither of which Kevin chose to publish - that's how distasteful and offensive they are. The Huffington Post has one, which Kevin linked to but didn't publish, and Kevin falsely states that the 'gallery of 133 photos' doesn't provide any supporting evidence, conveniently overlooking the photo which clearly proves him wrong and renders this entire post moot and meaningless.

Yep - there it is -- photo # 117 a "high quality photo (to use Kevin's description of the gallery) which clearly shows the evidence Kevin completely 'overlooked' and now ignores despite the fact that it was brought to his attention 5 hours ago in comment #24.

Oops! By overlooking even more evidence he's shown that no matter how hard he looks, he can't see what is clearly in front of him - the truth - and showing instead that he's blinded by his bias.

It's fine to be biased - we all have our biases - but to publish slanderous statements such as calling the Speaker of the House a liar, and then not even publish the photos which shows that he was wrong - and not even apologize when he's proven out to be wrong, that's just sad.

But that's how broken the conservative movement is on this issue (and most other issues these days) -- legions of biased people publishing lies and incorrect information then running away from any responsibility to be factual and to correct their errors and (God forbid) apologize when they're wrong.

Even if The Oblivious One w... (Below threshold)
Ran:

Even if The Oblivious One was even close to being right,(couldn't be more wrong) is he saying the Dems are above reproach? Honest? caring? etc.... *GAG*

Unfortunately for ... (Below threshold)
Unfortunately for the right, these people aren't patchouli-stank college kids with dreadlocks and a half-dozen Global Studies credits

So the SEIU goons that Obama has turned loose on these protest rallies to forcibly shut down opposition to the Messiah and His Holy Health Care Bill are "patchouli-stank college kids with dreadlocks and a half-dozen Global Studies credits"? That's a new one on me.

They aren't my ral... (Below threshold)
They aren't my rallies, but look how well those worked for the left. They managed to stop the war, defeat Bush in 2004, repeal the PATRIOT Act, and, oh wait, they failed miserably? Who wouldn't want to adopt their tactics?

Hey, it's not our fault that they chose a bunch of wild-ass crazy unpopular causes to protest. Just think what they could have done if they actually had any, you know, grass-roots support.

Speaker of the House, N. Pe... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Speaker of the House, N. Pelosi, "I think they're AstroTurf. You be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care."

Notice the use of the collective term THEY. Pelosi didn't say "some" or "a few". She didn't say, "we've spotted a..."

She used the word THEY, collectively. Implying all or at least most. Certainly not one protester. And most certainly not a protester carrying a sign that indicated - No Nazis.

So, Obvious One, your score - FAIL. You will not be allowed to make up this grade.

While the Obvious One compo... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

While the Obvious One composes a response, we return to Speaker of the House, N. Pelosi, "I think they're AstroTurf. You be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care."

Notice the use of the word SWASTIKAS. That's the plural form, as in more than one. The singular form is swastika.

This is why your score is FAIL rather than D- Obvious One. You haven't come close to supporting your assertion.

OregonMuse et al c... (Below threshold)
OregonMuse et al conflate far-left protesters with Nancy Pelosi and the liberal wing of the Democratic Party, which is silly.
Unfortunately for the right, these people aren't patchouli-stank college kids with dreadlocks and a half-dozen Global Studies credits; these are "real Americans", the ones with blue blood that hate the rest of the world for thinking that they're stupid.

And another thing: I remember when these protests were going on, you lefties were bragging about "hundreds of thousands" of protesters "from all walks of life" were protesting to end the war, and how "mainstream" it all was. But now these "hundreds of thousands" of protesters have shrunk down to a few "patchouli-stank college kids with dreadlocks and a half-dozen Global Studies credits." Heh. You're changing your story so fast I'm going to sue for whiplash.

Found further proof Pelosi ... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Found further proof Pelosi was right here.

Vic

Found further proof Pelo... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Found further proof Pelosi was right here.

And from that website is this quote:

Republicans and conservative talk radio and cable news are getting a bunch of armed crazies with racial issues fired up about Nazis taking over their government and destroying their country.

I was right!! First Pelosi calls the protesters Nazis. Now they're armed crazy racists!! The left just can't have any dissenters.

Too bad the guy attacked by the SEIU thugs in St. Louis wasn't armed.

Come on Vic, a total of two... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Come on Vic, a total of two, one each at two different events. Both showing "No Nazi"s messages. You're trying to defend your Speaker of the House here. You need to try a lot harder. Her honor is at stake.

Speaker of the House N. Pelosi, "I think they're AstroTurf. You be the judge. They're carrying swastikas and symbols like that to a town meeting on health care."

"They're carrying swastikas" = multiple people, multiple swastika. "They" is a collective term. She's talking in gerneral about the protesters here. One or two out of a group of hundreds is not what she is implying.

"... to a town meeting" = one meeting, not two or three different events.

Your "example" is lame Vic. Lame. Where are the hoards of swastika carrying protesters? Do you really want to go out on that limb with the Obvious One? Especially since Ms. Pelosi rolled back from her statement today by saying the demonstrators were all just part of the democratic process?

<a href="http://pa... (Below threshold)
JLawson:
SEIU Thugs Teach Health Care Protesters the "Chicago Way" of Politics

Barack Obama told a crowd of supporters in Philadelphia back in 2008, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." He added, "That's the Chicago way."

Last night in St. Louis, Missouri, a local conservative found out firsthand about the "Chicago way." Kenneth Gladney, a black conservative from the city, was handing out "Don't Tread On Me" flags after a Russ Carnahan town hall meeting on health care in Mehlville. This didn't go over well with the Obama supporters and union thugs who attended the meeting. They punched him in the face, kicked him in the head, and stomped on him on the pavement. So much for hope and change.

This is my first-person account of what I saw at the the town hall meeting in Mehlville.
Well, it's a good thing the left is on the side of the angels, Iwogisdead - that way this sort of thing is now PROPER political behavior. It's nice to see the SEIU leading the way, isn't it?
Well there's nothing at ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Well there's nothing at all wrong with exercising free speech. But when you're the party of old white men from the south and s few from the west

And with that playing of the race card, you have dealt yourself out of anyone having to take you seriously again.

With language and "ad ho... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

With language and "ad hominem" attacks like this why don't you tell us what #17 is: "In other words, you ain't got a f**king leg to stand on, you sanctimonious hypocrite."

An accurate observation. You don't have a leg to stand on with your argument, you are sanctimonious, and hypocritical.

You are also a douchebag. (And THAT is an ad hominum)

They have, and there's p... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

They have, and there's plenty of factual basis for that claim. Want some more?

Oh, mantis...if you really want to play the tit-for-tat game:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qwNGaeCRkvY/SnpmR2aWagI/AAAAAAAABKk/DRIgjuVlmRw/s1600-h/bhjpg.jpg


For every Obama/Hitler pic you find, I can dig up TEN more Bush/Hitler ones to counter.

Stop digging the hole, mantis, please.


No, OregonMuse, the antiwar... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

No, OregonMuse, the antiwar protesters circa 2003 weren't mostly patchouli-stank college kids. The patchouli-stank college kids are the ones holding up the Bushitler signs. I never suggested that there weren't hundreds of thousands of mainstream Americans protesting the invasion and occupation of Iraq, because there certainly were. The patchouli-stank crowd were a small minority, whereas the birthers are a very large segment of the mainstream conservative movement. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the birthers for making your entire political movement look ridiculous by association.

The SEIU is an entity independent of the government and as far as any thinking person is concerned they act on their own accord, unless you can prove otherwise. Hint: supporting Obama during the election campaign does not prove the point you tried to make.

mantis: can you recommend any good conservative blogs where people actually discuss ideas? Apart from some of DJ's posts, I don't know of any authors here that put up anything substantive, e.g., worth thinking about. Just a lot of failed attempts at playing the victim, lazy calls to action, and hamfisted interpretations of history and political theory.

Oh, and Mr. Cloninger: it's spelled hominem, smart guy.

The only reason Pelosi and ... (Below threshold)
keppler:

The only reason Pelosi and other Democrats don't like swastikas is it's for them to resist saluting them.

. . . the birthers are a... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

. . . the birthers are a very large segment of the mainstream conservative movement. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the birthers for making your entire political movement look ridiculous by association.


Everyone here knows that's BS. You are adopting a liberal tactic and announcing as fact something that you know is false.

The SEIU is an entity independent of the government and as far as any thinking person is concerned they act on their own accord . . .


Unions never act on their own accord. Pelosi says the dissenters are Nazis, Obama says to push back, and, right on cue, the union goons are filmed attacking a peaceful dissenter. No matter how much you hope they don't, the American people see this for what it is--intimidation and assault by Obama minions. Ironic in light of Pelosi's statement, isn't it.

For every Obama/Hitler p... (Below threshold)
mantis:

For every Obama/Hitler pic you find, I can dig up TEN more Bush/Hitler ones to counter.

Stop digging the hole, mantis, please.

James, stop pretending you can't read. What did I say just before the comment you quoted?

Btw, I thought Bush comparisons to Hitler were idiotic and made the left look bad. I welcome the right's adoption of the left's stupid and counterproductive tactics. Keep it up.

I never denied the left does this, I only argued with Kevin's assertion that the right is not doing it as well, and his weaselly "any evidence surfacing after I write this doesn't count, so there" proposition.

Hey, it's not our fault ... (Below threshold)
mantis:

Hey, it's not our fault that they chose a bunch of wild-ass crazy unpopular causes to protest. Just think what they could have done if they actually had any, you know, grass-roots support.

You're pretty funny, you know that? All the tea parties and town halls combined are a tiny fraction of the number of people who turned out to protest the war on February 15, 2003 alone. That's why the teabaggers are using the tactics they are: disrupting meetings between representatives and constituents so as to shut down discussion, spreading lies about the government killing grandma and "death panels," etc., and calling everyone who supports health care reform Nazi socialists. They don't have anywhere near the massive support of the anti-war movement prior to the Iraqi invasion, and they don't have any reasonable arguments or alternatives. They are a small number of very loud, totally unreasonable people and those who have been taken in by their lies (mostly seniors). You conservatives sure do live in an alternate reality, where millions of people all over the country support "wild-ass crazy unpopular causes," and a small number of lunatics screaming about Hitler, birth certificates, how their taxes have gone up when they haven't, and revolution are the true voice of America.

Mantis, Because y... (Below threshold)

Mantis,

Because you disagree with something posted at
Wizbang does not make it weasely.
If you cannot agree to disagree with some
civility then decide not to post.

Mantis, Where are yo... (Below threshold)

Mantis,
Where are your sources backing up mostly seniors
being taken by lies.
Check and verify.

I'm a Senior and I am not b... (Below threshold)
epador:

I'm a Senior and I am not being taken in by Pelosi, Reid, Obama lies.

Keep counting.

See comment 94 Kevin's last... (Below threshold)
epador:

See comment 94 Kevin's last thread. Still applies.




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