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About Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" Comment

It seems she was spot on, particularly regarding the health care program in Oregon:


Advanced breast and prostate cancers are not covered under Oregon's government run health care plan? Yikes! But let me guess, these same politicians who prioritize the list maladies every year would pass out assisted suicide drugs in a heartbeat, right?

Hat tip: Hot Air.

Update: Take a look at this column by Cassie Fiano. She writes about Barbara Wagner. She was diagnosed with lung cancer. Her doctor prescribed a revolutionary chemotherapy drug that would shrink and cancer and extend her life or years. The government bureaucrats at the OHP, however, declined to approve the drugs her doctor recommended (what's this about government not coming between you and your doctor?), but they were more than willing to pay for her doctor-assisted suicide.

Thankfully her doctor went to the drug's manufacturer and pleaded her case. The company gave her the drugs for free. Yes, the evil, greedy pharmaceutical company gave her the life saving drugs free of charge, while government bureaucrats akin to Nancy Pelosi, who say they are working for the well-being and peace of mind of Americans, said no way, just die already and save us the money.


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And the drooling underachie... (Below threshold)
RFA:

And the drooling underachievers will still tell you that it isn't happening.

Okay, drooling non-achiever... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Okay, drooling non-achiever, cite some evidence that suggests that the healthcare reform bill will legalize the distribution of drugs used for euthanasia.

"About Sarah Palin's "Death... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"About Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" Comment..."-kp

You need to quit forgetting to remember to forget, Kim. Sarah has put herself in the cut-out bin. Pricing her value by weight as these "mentions" of her do, only begs the question anew: Why did she break her lease? We forget. Were we ever told? Oh, that's right; we were weren't. Howerver...I will take two Sarahs and a one Paris Hilton to go. And a Coke!

"Update: Take a look at this column by Cassie Fiano."

Panic On Pity Express, a Republic serial.


'Euthanasia" aka "mercy kil... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

'Euthanasia" aka "mercy killing" aka "Doctor assisted suicide" (so much for the Hippocratic Oath) is already legal in Oregon. Do you think that with rationed health care for the elderly, "euthanasia" won't be far behind in future ObamaCare? Even the Dimocrats know that word had better not appear anywhere in the "Health Insurance Reform Act". At least for now. When it arrives, it will be dressed as 'an act of mercy' that will not only keep health care costs down, but will provide for offspring to 'reap the wealth' of their parents rather than 'have it squandered on greedy health care companies and their overpaid CEO's'. In addition, those 'brave' Americans will be 'doing their patriotic duty' to extend the life of the Social Security Program.' Crap! I should be writing for Obama or the DNC!

First appointment to Death ... (Below threshold)
It is called "futile care t... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

It is called "futile care theory." It is real and in use and will only gain traction with socialist medicine. Palin is 100% correct.

I was just wondering when i... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I was just wondering when it will be writen some distraught family member goes to that OHP and offers them citizen assisted suicide. I also wonder how long a armed free people will put up with this nonsense?

To BryanD - In case you mis... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

To BryanD - In case you missed it, Ms. Palin resigned because of all the unjustified claims against her. If you had paid attention, you would have heard her say the investigations were costing the state of AK millions of dollars and it was costing her untold thousands of dollars to defend herself, even tho the complaints were found to be totally unjustified. Also, I remember the messiah saying to the media "family is off limits". I heard it. I heard it several times. Too bad the rest of the MSM didn't. They attacked her, her kids, her husband, her morals, her class and even her clothes. The MSM critized her for borrowing clothes during the campaign. Did the MSM state that the clothes they wear on air are loaned for the publicity the company gets? HUH? HUH? HUH? Fair is fair. Let's stop the tunnel vision and get back to looking at life as it is, not as you want it to be. But, as usual, because some us try to defend ourselves, we are talked down to, hollered at, slapped, and the SEIU thugs are brought in the "bring us under control". Typical.

You need to quit forgett... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

You need to quit forgetting to remember to forget, Kim. Sarah has put herself in the cut-out bin.

But, there's that free speech thingy that she keeps exercising (since the SEIU hasn't figured out how to get to her) and the left gets its collective shorts in a collective knot every time she does. Notice how I use "collective" twice in one sentence.

Also notice how the left does the fake outrage bit over all things Sarah Palin, and yet works so hard to cover up the statements of the real man behind the curtain--Ezekiel J. Emanuel.

The name Ezekiel J. Emanuel... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The name Ezekiel J. Emanuel is the last one anyone on Team Barry wants mentioned. The guy doesn't mince words. Hey Hyperbolist, want some hemlock?

. . . cite some evidence... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

. . . cite some evidence that suggests that the healthcare reform bill will legalize the distribution of drugs used for euthanasia.

Where does this comment come from? Is this something that Sarah Palin said?

1) Tarceva extends life by... (Below threshold)
epador:

1) Tarceva extends life by an average of several months, though rare patients have somewhat better responses. On the one hand its rather expensive ($4k an month) but folks don't usually take it for long (a few months) since it only works in a minority of patients. It has some significant side effects, and there are other chemo treatments with about the same chance of response. I don't like the State getting to decide whether such relatively futile treatments get used or not, but literally billions of dollars are expended in the US to attempt to extend life for a month or two on average. I'd rather let the consumer decide, but be spending their own money rather than mine.

2) There is no "Death Committee" deliberately spelled out in the HR3200, however there is plenty of administrative structure and incentive for such a committee to be formed by the Health Czar.

3) There is payment authorized for, and encouragement for, annual evaluation of end-of-life desires of patients made by the patient and the physician. This is already considered standard of care, mainly to avoid confusion during an unexpected acute episode of illness.

"I'd rather let the consume... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I'd rather let the consumer decide (on experimental treatments), but be spending their own money rather than mine."

Then you have to ask the question: "Why have health insurance (pooled risk)."?

Pelosi and the dems are lik... (Below threshold)
Listen up:

Pelosi and the dems are like Scrooge in Christmas Carol..."Are there no poor houses, are there no work houses? Why yes but many would rather die than go there. " Then let them do it and decrease the surplus population." I paraphrase but you get the drift. Scrooge was filthy rich, like Pelosi and many in congress and can afford the best of care. Let the aged and poor die and decrease the surplus population. How pathetic the dems and chairwoman Nancy Botox are! O to see themselves as others see them! PITY! VOTE THEM OUT!

I also wonder how long a... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

I also wonder how long a armed free people will put up with this nonsense?

Again, Zelsdorf Trogdor the Cheeto-Stained talking tough shit on the internet. Civil War!! Hahaha. You do know that that would involve murdering American soldiers and police officers if your fantasy-insurrection were ever to come to fruition, right?

Does it pain you that Barack Hussein Obama is the Commander-In-Chief? Much as you might like to shoot up a room full of ACORN and SEIU organizers, the law is on their side, not yours. So when you have wet dreams about starring in Red Dawn 2009, remember that such violence would be un-American and treasonous.

Madalyn: are you twelve years old, or do you just write like it? "HUH? HUH? HUH?"

GarandFan: no thank you, but nice of you to offer! Living in a free society, people should be allowed to make their own choices, including whether they live or die. Provided that doctors/nurse practitioners are not compelled to assist with suicide, it would seem that conservatives--real ones, not the knuckle-draggers that don't like books--should be in favour of allowing people to choose freely whether they live or die. Regardless, I'm not aware of anything in this bill that speaks to euthanasia. Are you? Or are you regurgitating the anti-reform talking points designed to scare the shit out of old people?

epador, would HR3200 cover expensive drugs like that? Or would prescription drug coverage be supplemental to what is covered by the bill?

hyperbolist #15--s... (Below threshold)
krkrjak Author Profile Page:

hyperbolist #15

--should be in "favour"....

Are you Canadian?

I was reading an ABC articl... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I was reading an ABC article about Barbara Wagner. The first sentence says her "insurance company" denied her. The fact that it was state run insurance wasn't even mentioned until the bottom of the first page. Unless you know that "the Oregon Health Plan" is a state organization it just sounds like they're talking about an insurance company in Oregon. How many people don't even get past the first couple paragraphs and move on to the next story with the impression that another evil insurance company denied this poor woman?

Also, I remember t... (Below threshold)
Stan25:
Also, I remember the messiah saying to the media "family is off limits". I heard it. I heard it several times. Too bad the rest of the MSM didn't. They attacked her, her kids, her husband, her morals, her class and even her clothes. The MSM critized her for borrowing clothes during the campaign. Did the MSM state that the clothes they wear on air are loaned for the publicity the company gets? HUH? HUH? HUH?

That only applies to "Walks On Water" and the msm's families. The families of Republicans or "greedy" corporate CEOs are fair game.

Hyper: So how does the Can... (Below threshold)
epador:

Hyper: So how does the Canadian System approach Tarceva? BTW, the HR3200 has a nice little panel that has one or two doctors and all sorts of other folks on it who advise the Health Czar on what to cover and what not to - but the Health Czar has final authority and answers only to the one (or is it One?) who appoints them.

re:13 -
Private insurance - I can decide whether to enter the pool or not - evaluate their policies and fees, costs etc.
State/Federal Insurance - I have no say other than to complain to my elected officials, while they codify the confiscation of my wages to pay for the programs.

There is a big difference.

epador: I'm not sure. I was... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

epador: I'm not sure. I was asking a serious question, not trying to make a point. I think people in terminal health get their meds covered, but I'm not sure. My grandfather has had cancer for a long time and has had access to meds at no cost to him or his family, but whether they're in the same class as Tarceva, I couldn't tell you.

Hey Kim, guess what? Insur... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Hey Kim, guess what? Insurance companies routinely deny coverage for what they consider to be experimental or unproven treatment. How odd that you would neglect to mention that. What brazen hypocrisy.

I for one am happy with my private health insurance, but I'd be happier (as would my pocket book) if insurance companies would simply deny coverage to the fat, lazy, fast-food eating, couch-potato, Fox News-watching nut cases that are infesting most of these town hall meetings (and I would wager much of this site) with their aggressively ignorant vitriol. Let the free market reign.

From reading the collective... (Below threshold)
Jim:

From reading the collective comments on this page, I have come to a number of firm conclusions:

1. Many of you folks suffer from paranoia (some, it seems, of a particularly dangerous kind).

2. Most of you probably did not go to college, and are lucky if you have a high school education (which you probably struggled to complete).

3. Most of you are completely gullible and incapable of any kind of critical thought or analysis. Instead, you replace insight with cute little Fox-isms like "MSM," and accusations of "socialism."

4. Oh, and most of you clearly have no frickin idea what "socialism" means. It's just become the bogeyman de jour of your small little minds.

Cheers!

4.

krkrjak: yes, why?... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

krkrjak: yes, why?

I'm no cheerleader for the Canadian system, by the way. I don't like the way our government has allowed the system to devolve into disrepair. I lived in Korea for a year and enjoyed the single payer system there, which included all prescription drugs covered--even for foreigners! And waiting times?: maybe a week or two to see a specialist fluent in English. Japan's system is even better. Lots of European countries have figured out how to deliver cost-effective, universal coverage. So again, I'm not a cheerleader of the Canadian system as it currently stands, though it is superior to the American system in certain respects.

Jim, cute little ad hominem... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Jim, cute little ad hominem post ya got there, completely devoid of any fact. You are guilty of the very thing which you accuse others. "Critical thought" indeed. Run along now little boy.

Hey Jeff, thanks for the co... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Hey Jeff, thanks for the compliment! Of course, you and your kind don't care about "facts." Facts just get in the way of your misguided right-wing fanatical agenda. And as for ad hominems, sorry do hurt your feelings. But how about addressing post number 7, with the implicit threat of violence. I note the dead silence from this group. Gotta love your right wing concepts of discourse and democracy.

FACT:Dr. Ez... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

FACT:

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

Emanuel criticizes Americans for being too "enamored with technology" and is determined to reduce access to it.

Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. He recommends slowing medical innovation to control health spending.

Blumenthal has long advocated government health-spending controls, though he concedes they're "associated with longer waits" and "reduced availability of new and expensive treatments and devices" (New England Journal of Medicine, March 8, 2001). But he calls it "debatable" whether the timely care Americans get is worth the cost.

Obama appointed Blumenthal as national coordinator of health-information technology, a job that involves making sure doctors obey electronically deivered guidelines about what care the government deems appropriate and cost effective.

In the April 9 New England Journal of Medicine, Blumenthal predicted that many doctors would resist "embedded clinical decision support" -- a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do.

Source: New York Post - DEADLY DOCTORS, July 24, 2009

Ha! The New York Post -- F... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Ha! The New York Post -- Fox News' little sister? Really? That's your reliable source?

Oooooh, Emanuel is an "adviser" at the Office of Management and Budget, and he's a "member" of the Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research! What power! What influence! That settles it, you're all onto the Democrats! Now, how are they going to get rid of granny and get away with it? Thwarted again!

But seriously, how curious that the most insidious parts of the article merely characterize and sinisterize what Emanuel has allegedly said. Note that very little in the article actually quotes Emanuel directly, and then, only in a self-serving manner. My favorite: "Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously." That's not even something Emanuel said. But, Jeff, you've now taken the article -- and what it implies about health care reform -- as fact. My point proven: you folks are uncritical, unthinking, and blindly gullible.

What laughable drivel. In the spirit of your post, Jeff, here's my own from similarly reliable tidbit:

FACT:

"D-Lister arm candy and baby mamma dada Levi Johnston reveals the real reason Sarah Plain bailed on Alaska - marital woes.

RadarOnline.com cornered the Wasilla heartthrob in an exclusive video interview and he revealed The Palins marriage was in trouble from the very beginning.

Levi also dished that Sarah will be chasing an even bigger paycheck now on the speakers circuit.

'That's what she's talked about, that's what I'm gathering and I think that's what she's doing.'"

National Enquirer, July 11, 2009

Jim: you can't paint everyo... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Jim: you can't paint everyone here with the Zelsdorf brush. He's a retarded child who sees everything through the lens of World of Warcraft.

hyperbolist: I doubt most ... (Below threshold)
Jim:

hyperbolist: I doubt most people here actually believe that armed violence to oppose a policy change such as the one at issue is legitimate (if I'm wrong, I'm sure we'll hear about it). I just think it's odd that while so many here decry health care reform based on their misapprehension that it will reap violence on their loved ones through some kind of "death panel," no one has raised any objection to a clearly menacing post.

And how about my proposal f... (Below threshold)
Jim:

And how about my proposal for meaningful health care reform? If you're overweight and out of shape, health insurance companies should have the right to deny you coverage -- at least for certain diseases like cardiovascular disorders, diabetes, etc. The insurance companies would love that kind of reform, and it would make the price of my insurance a lot cheaper. Let the free market rule. It's a terrific solution for me.

To hyperbol - No, I am not ... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

To hyperbol - No, I am not 12 years old, and I don't write like it. Read more of the posts here on Wizbang that I have commented on, and you will see who I really am. I am not school educated but I know bullsh*t when I see it and taste it being shoved down my throat.
Madalyn

Madalyn, When he ... (Below threshold)
Paul Berra:

Madalyn,

When he said you wrote like a 12-year-old, he was being charitable. You can't write worth shit.

SO WHAT ?? A Gov't... (Below threshold)
Dave Smith:

SO WHAT ??

A Gov't official turned down a medical request - that happens EVERYDAY at the insurance companies.

Insurance Companies refuse payment for needed treatment constantly .. what's the difference??

And with gov't insurance you aren't paying hundreds of dollars per month to be turned down ..

This is why we need a national health plan that will not be able to reject people right out of the box ..

WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!




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