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Debating Obamacare

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Townhall's really are ridiculous exercises. As has been evident in the townhall's covered widely in the blogosphere, the President and his supporters don't want to answer questions, and when they do they often contradict what's in written in the bills in the House and Senate.

The President the master of this tactic- he tells you what "he" wants (as if it is what will become law) even though it is often not reflective of what Congressional Democrats are proposing. The White House has deliberately not proposed a comprehensive health care reform plan of their own; instead they're relying on Congress to draft one. Obama's advisers recommended that approach after studying the failure of HillaryCare.

What the health care debate actually needs is some real debates. Since we're not likely to get Democrats on a stage with experts opposed to their plan, instead we're left to virtual debates. Former White House economic advisor Keith Hennessey has gone through each point raised in the transcript of a recent Obama health care townall and virtually debates the point. The whole thing is available here.

The President gets completely p0wned, which explains why we're unlikely to ever see a real debate on the topic...


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Since we're not likely t... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Since we're not likely to get Democrats on a stage with experts...

No, but we certainly get staged Democrats. Have you heard about the town hall meeting with the fake pediatrician invited by the Che Guevara fan?

I think Hennessey had an ex... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

I think Hennessey had an excellent post.

Unfortunately, the very first commenter on his blog brings up something I have been worried about:

Carolus " All these details about the President's dissembling and providing misleading information are interesting and relevant. But never forget that his whole agenda is to take a step towards nationalized health care. How big that step will be remains to be seen. Even if the public option gets taken off the table, many elements of increased governmental controls will be in the bills. In the end, the central political issue is how many *****s' noses will be shoved into the tent. Oh!Bummer knows that, and that's why he is not pushing any specific plan. He'll do what they've always done ** take what they can now, and come back for more later. Catching him with lies and inaccuracies, big or small, does not affect the grand plan. "
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All the socialists care about is getting the gov't foot in the door even further. Some (many/most/all?) of the more troublesome provisions will be taken out, for now.
If they can just get people used to the idea of the gov making more healthcare decisions for them, all the other provisions will creep back in.

We have to keep pushing for tweaking the system we have, not gov't takeover.

Any 'alleged' reform that d... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Any 'alleged' reform that does not also address tort/malpractice insurance is a farce so far as addressing 'cost reductions'. Government needs to get OUT of health insurance and remove artificial competition restrictions. Address concerns about suspended coverage, pre-existing conditions and portability. Instead of hammering a corporation for illegal acts, REVISE THE LAW TO PUNISH THE PERSON WHO MADE THE DECISION. Corporations don't make decisions, people do. And for years they've hidden behind the facade of the company to protect them.

Once health care insurance is 'fixed' (I'm not holding my breath), we can then start to uncluster what the Democrats have done to Social Security over the last 60 years. HINT: Any SS amendment sponsored by a Kennedy would be a good start.

townhall's = belonging to a... (Below threshold)

townhall's = belonging to a townhall

townhalls = plural of townhall

/sorry, pet peeve . . .

"p0wned"no, PWNED<... (Below threshold)
mikenimzo:

"p0wned"

no, PWNED

//sorry, pet peeve

Until Tort Reform and Fraud... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

Until Tort Reform and Fraud Prevention become subject #1 on the health-care agenda, the rest is all bunk.

I just read something that ... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

I just read something that made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. At first I thought it was a work of fiction. Unfortunately, at this time, it probably would be considered fiction. But, in the near future it could be fact. I had their permission to use their website, and I wanted to copy it, but it is very long, but worth reading and doing some serious thinking about.
I do not know anything about linking, so I won't attempt to, but check it out at:

www.floppingaces.net

Go to the January 20, Year 20 AO post.

It is scary and don't think that under Obamacare it can't happen. A lot of Germans had no idea what power Hitler had either.
Just my opinion.
Madalyn

Dems dont want discussion t... (Below threshold)
Jeanne:

Dems dont want discussion they want to tell people what it is they want to do they believe that if they initiate a conversation that over time they can convince everyone that they are right.This is a typical dem trait.People have had enough of this and this is why people are behaving in towhalls as they are.

Remember that Karl Marx`s i... (Below threshold)
Jeanne:

Remember that Karl Marx`s intentions were good , the idea was fine.But when people like Stalin worked their way into leading positions under such a socialized sytem... well we all know how that went.By the way is there any plan to eventually re-privitise GM one day , that would make a fair townhall question.

Remember that Karl... (Below threshold)
John:
Remember that Karl Marx`s intentions were good , the idea was fine.

Sorry, they were evil back then and they are evil today.

"Townhall's (sic) really ar... (Below threshold)

"Townhall's (sic) really are ridiculous exercises. As has been evident in the townhall's (sic) .... "

Enough already with the Townhall's ...... ????

The town-hall's what?

What is it, that is, that belongs to the town hall?

OR: Does none who is (presumably) the product of the United States of America's mobbed-up-unionized/statist "education" (Read: Indoctination) system have even a passing command of the English Language?

Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels - Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad

"Remember that Karl Marx`s ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Remember that Karl Marx`s intentions were good, the idea was fine."

From each according to their talents, to each according to their needs. Yeah, that'll work.

Try looking up some US history. Pilgrims. Had a bunch of people who figured they'd 'entered the promised land of plenty'. Only they didn't want to work. They finally got the message when John Smith told 'em "You don't work, you don't eat".

For an alcoholic wife abuser, Karl Marx didn't understand one hell of a lot about human nature.

From a blogger: "An Open Le... (Below threshold)
LaMedusa:

From a blogger: "An Open Letter to the Legislators of the United States of America"

http://votethemout2010-2012.ning.com/profiles/blogs/an-open-letter-to-the

The public option pl... (Below threshold)
C.D. Bulos:


The public option plan envision by President Obama is going toward the right direction. Australia has Medibank Private apart from Medicare to compete with other insurers and we enjoyed the benefits of it.
What's wrong with the President's idea? It is proven to be working.
Go for it!!

Since the New Deal, Republi... (Below threshold)
Howard Thomas:

Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church- state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the environment
and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident.
The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people
in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

I am a resident rotating th... (Below threshold)
Brian:

I am a resident rotating through a major metropolitan hospital, and have seen healthcare from behind the scenes..it's scary! I am sharing my stories on a blog to try to educate others. You can read it here: http://realworldhealthcare.blogspot.com/




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