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This Explains A Lot -- Comparing Kennedy Death to 9/11

Matt Cooper is getting some attention for the following tweet today:

It feels a bit like 9/11 on Martha's Vineyard. End-of-summer weather is achingly beautiful but the mood is melancholy because of Teddy.

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He later dialed it back a bit.
Didn't mean to equate Teddy's death with the murders of 9/11. Only meant small similarity: beautiful weather, tragic feel.

The comparison seems much more than odd to me. It is foreign, almost obscene. I assumed all Americans felt as I did on 9/11 and it was a feeling I assumed none of us (except those living when Pearl Harbor was bombed) had ever felt before or since.

Tragic is not the word that comes to mind. I remember being stunned seeing the second plane fly into the Towers, and horrified when they later came crashing down with thousands inside them, and fearful hearing a plane hit the Pentagon and another came down in Pennsylvania. I remember wondering how many more planes were out there, when we would be hit again, what we were going to do to go after those responsible and how we could ever hope to prevent it from happening again. Later that day and in the days following, I remember feeling overwhelming grief for men, women and children I had never met.

At least knowing that was not the way all Americans felt that day explains a lot about what has happened over the past eight years. I know many on the left must feel somewhat like those of us on the right felt when Reagan died. That is not how I feel about Kennedy's death, but it makes sense that those on the left would feel that way. But that feeling is nothing like what I felt on 9/11. I can't think of any other day that I felt what I did on that day.

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Sorry Lori, but I can't get... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Sorry Lori, but I can't get my head around this in either case. Both led full lives, both died in bed. Only thing you're guaranteed in life is death and taxes. The Man Upstairs takes care of the first one in His own good time; people like St Teddy of Seagram's take care of the other.

Ted's so called political c... (Below threshold)

Ted's so called political convictions qualify him to be among the top in the pantheon of terrorist attacks on the American people.

So can we expect a pop song... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

So can we expect a pop song commemorating his death the way that country songs did for 9/11? Because no country singer is going to wax poetic about the life this man lived.

Honestly, comparing the death of one controversial man to the thousands who died on 9/11 is just...sad. I feel sorry for this person if he really felt that way. I feel sorry for him if he did honestly mean only the weather was the same, because that was some serious foot-in-mouth.

Freudian slip?

When a 'cult of personality... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

When a 'cult of personality' leader dies - the syncophants and subjects usually feel it's pretty darn tragic. Their meal ticket and the source of all that's good in the world has suddenly disappeared - whatever shall they do?

Me? Meh. He's dead. We're not. Life goes on. Deification of Teddy ain't gonna bring him back, neither will memorializing him with some bill that'd likely not have covered his illness. And if he were to come back - isn't there some rule against the Undead serving in Congress?

(Oh, wait. Pelosi. Never mind...)

Liberalism is a mental diso... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

The comparison seems muc... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

The comparison seems much more than odd to me. It is foreign, almost obscene.

C'mon Lorie, it IS obscene.

A study in contrast: on 9-11 hundreds of police and firefighters died because they charged away from safety and into danger, not of their own making, to try to rescue people they had never known. Kennedy, on the other hand, is defined by running away from a danger he caused, which killed someone he knew and placed into that danger.

Oh good. Another post givin... (Below threshold)
Left Leaning Liburelz:

Oh good. Another post giving Wizbang Readers a chance to villianize and spew over their hatred of liburels. You guys really know how to build a loyal readership.

Of course, if you look closely you'll notice that it's the same 15 conservative moron trolls commenting over and over again on these "Don't you just hate ____" posts. This blog's readership continues to shrink because of mindless, repetitive posts like these but nobody ever accused you folks of being original thinkers.

And its great hearing how terrorized you were by the terrorist acts on 9.11, Miss Byrd. We Americans need to be reminded from time to time just how bad an idea it is to have Republicans in power. If they aren't spewing hate at their 'enemies' and antagonizing them they're wetting their pants out of fear.

You guys can't even get along with the majority of people in THIS country, what makes you Republicans think you're ever going assume a majority position in American politics again?

Of course liberals are tryi... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Of course liberals are trying to link healthcare reform with Kennedy, and at the same time exaggerating his contributions. It's all an attempt to turn the debate about healthcare away from facts and toward emotion. Going forward you can expect faux outrage from liberals whenever someone dares challenge the wisdom of nationalizing our healthcare. Yes, it's thinly disguised bull shit, but liberals know lots of voters will fall for it, after all they fell for the hope and change shtick.

LLL"We Americans nee... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

LLL
"We Americans need to be reminded from time to time just how bad an idea it is to have Republicans in power."

Please tell me you are not insinuating that having the Democrats in power is an overwhelming more attractive alternative in your mind.

And its great hear... (Below threshold)
Lorie:
And its great hearing how terrorized you were by the terrorist acts on 9.11, Miss Byrd. We Americans need to be reminded from time to time just how bad an idea it is to have Republicans in power. If they aren't spewing hate at their 'enemies' and antagonizing them they're wetting their pants out of fear.

-- Left Leaning Liburelz

The attacks were planned during the Clinton administration, Mr. Left Leaning Liburelz. Or are you one of those who thinks Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/and the Joooz blew up the Towers? Do those who think Bush brought down the Towers think he also was responsible for the Pentagon and the Flight that Fought Back? Or did he conspire with the terrorists?

As for wondering why conservatives think they could ever win again -- that is based on current polls. They could shift back 180 degrees, but if I were the Dems now I would be very worried.

"You guys can't even get al... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"You guys can't even get along with the majority of people in THIS country, what makes you Republicans think you're ever going assume a majority position in American politics again?"

Talk about 'spewing hate'. But the, people like Left Leaning Liburelz don't even see the hypocrisy in what they say and write. I believe they cover it by calling it "nuance".

And as to gaining a majority position again. Yeah, that's going to happen. I'll give you one good reason: Barack Obama.

You guys can't eve... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
You guys can't even get along with the majority of people in THIS country, what makes you Republicans think you're ever going assume a majority position in American politics again?

Because dumb ass liberals think voters actual care about ideology more then their pocket books or their safety. With the real US unemployment rate at 16 percent and growing it's likely Democrats will lose the house in 2010. If there's a 9/11 magnitude terrorist attack on the U.S., now that Democrats have declared war on the CIA, Democrats will lose the Senate and the Presidency in 2012.

Is this the hate that LLL i... (Below threshold)
sam:

Is this the hate that LLL is talking about? The last time I checked, Pete Stark was a certified liberal loon. Can you feel the love pouring forth, and enjoy the lib-on-lib fratricide?

"Key Democrat suggests party moderates 'brain dead' (ERICA WERNER, 8/27/09, AP)

Moderate Blue Dog Democrats "just want to cause trouble," said Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., who heads the health subcommittee on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

"They're for the most part, I hate to say, brain dead, but they're just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process," Stark told reporters on a conference call.

If there's a 9/11 magnit... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

If there's a 9/11 magnitude terrorist attack on the U.S., now that Democrats have declared war on the CIA, Democrats will lose the Senate and the Presidency in 2012.

Keep your fingers crossed, Mac.

When Reagan died I felt sor... (Below threshold)
kathie:

When Reagan died I felt sorrow, relief that he not need suffer any more, pride that he was my President, and he was a good and decent man. I don't know if that is what people feel about Teddy.

FEAR, on 911, and for many, many months after, every time a big truck rumbled by, an airplane flew over, or a fire engine with sirens blaring traveled the roads, even if at a distance. Sadness for those who died, but bewilderment at the cruelty of those who perpetuated their murder. Disgust and horror that there are human beings on this earth that would express themselves with such savagery.

Whatever I think of Senator Kennedy's life, and his politics, I'm sure it is hard on his family to loose someone you love. I know that experience.

Left Leaning Liburelz,<br /... (Below threshold)

Left Leaning Liburelz,
For crying out loud. You recently received your minimum wage increase. What are you doing on the internet? Aren't you supposed to be manning the drive through window or grill? C'mon over to my site and this conservative troll will whip your ass in the debate platform of your choosing. You freaking unemployed government teat sucking sugar babies make me sick with your absolute lack of knowledge of real economics and Constitutional law. Oh, that would include your Constitutional law professor cum Socialist hero Obama. You people are Stepfordized by this administration and dangerous due to your lack of knowledge.

Woah, Terry, you certainly ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Woah, Terry, you certainly come across as someone with whom any liberal should want to have a discussion. People should be lining up for the opportunity to be enlightened by someone as obviously brilliant as yourself. Stay classy, Terry.

"I assumed . . . "... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"I assumed . . . "

That's your problem right there! And it's easy to correct.

hyperbolistI'll leav... (Below threshold)

hyperbolist
I'll leave classy and brilliance to others. The wheels are off of our government. Enough is enough.

Keep your fingers ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Keep your fingers crossed, Mac.

Actually it's liberals who are making the bet and need to keep their fingers crossed. Even if they keep the U.S. safe Obama may have a hard time holding on to the Presidency in 2012 if unemployment is still high or if there's run away inflating.

Unfortunately the left has ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Unfortunately the left has a hard time understanding the value of human life. The murder of 3000 essentially nameless, faceless strangers contains no meaning for them.

Celebrity is what has meaning. Fame and notoriety matter and give value to life.

For the left the loss of someone famous like Senator Kennedy or Michael Jackson that is what is important to them. That is what affects their lives. 3000 strangers? Who were they? What did they do? were they sports stars or rap singers? No? Who cares.

Life has long ago lost its sanctity for the left. people (unless person friends or close family) mean nothing. Fame is important. People who have fame are important, not as individuals but rather as vessels of that fame.

"You guys can't even get... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"You guys can't even get along with the majority of people in THIS country, what makes you Republicans think you're ever going assume a majority position in American politics again?"


Really?

Explain why it is that Obama is the first Dem in over a generation to actually win more than 50% of the vote? For the most part Dems have needed 3rd party candidates like Ross Perot, John Anderson and Barry Goldwater to siphon off GOP votes in order to win.

It's not conservatives who are in the minority. It's you. You know it. And it scares you. Otherwise you wouldn't need SEIU thugs, Black Panther voter intimidation and ACORN vote fraud to help win elections.

Who is popular? Not the D... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Who is popular? Not the Dems. Since FDR only 3 Dems have won more than 50% of the vote. LBJ after the Kennedy assassination, Carter after the Nixon resignation, and Obama.

Year - Winner - Percent
2008 - Obama - 52.9
2004 - Bush 43 - 50.7
2000 - Bush 43 - 47.9
1996 - Clinton - 49.2 Perot had 8.4%
1992 - Clinton - 43.0 Perot had 18.9%
1988 - Bush 41 - 53.4
1984 - Reagan - 58.8
1980 - Reagan - 50.75 Anderson had 6.6
1976 - Carter - 50.1
1972 - Nixon - 60.7
1968 - Nixon - 43.3 Wallace had 13.5%
1964 - Johnson - 61.0
1960 - Kennedy - 49.7
1956 - Eisenhower - 57.4
1952 - Eisenhower - 55.2
1948 - Truman - 49.6 2 third party candidates split 4.8%

If you go back before FDR it looks even worse for the Dems.

What can one say about a ma... (Below threshold)
Thomas Jackson:

What can one say about a man rich enough to get away with murder?

The left is all a twitter (... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The left is all a twitter (pun intended) with Obama's falling poll numbers, the democratic leaderships loss of confidence by the citizens. And what do these masterminds say: Let's ram it through anyway. Gotta love the stupidity. They are handing the government back to the republicans without the republican party paying for one ad. This is where arrogance and faux intellectualism gets you.

Hyper, you fix your countries free healthcare yet? I heard it is imploding. ww

"Hyper, you fix your countr... (Below threshold)
sam:

"Hyper, you fix your countries free healthcare yet? I heard it is imploding. ww

Good one, ww. For a healthcare system that is basically "take this aspirin and get in line", it better be free.

"For a healthcare system... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"For a healthcare system that is basically "take this aspirin and get in line", it better be free."

Hardly free, when they pay income taxes at close to the same rates we do and pay the GST on everything they buy and that can run from 5% to 15.5% depending on where you live.

jim m:That is too ... (Below threshold)
sam:

jim m:

That is too complicated for the simpletons to understand. To them, it comes from the government, so it is free.

LeftistLeaningLiberalLoser<... (Below threshold)
914:

LeftistLeaningLiberalLoser

Dream on Troll dung.

Cooper's tweet was orders o... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Cooper's tweet was orders of magnitude beyond even "tingles up and down my leg" in terms of hyper-partisan derangement.

Bill Bennet summed this whole thing up best:

"There is a lot one could say of Senator Kennedy -- positive from supporters, negative from critics. They say one should not speak ill of the dead. True. But I am of the view that one should not lie about the dead either."

Kennedy was a bad man and the reaction of the press is kinda making me sick. I don't even think he was worthy of even being mentioned in the same sentence as former President Reagan, IMHO.

Cooper's tweet was order... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Cooper's tweet was orders of magnitude beyond even "tingles up and down my leg" in terms of hyper-partisan derangement.

I wouldn't call it necessarily hyper-partisan. It does seem to show in stark relief how utterly self absorbed the left has become. It might as well have said:

"I have this wonderful life and events have happened to intrude on it and I feel blue. How tragic....for me."

His follow up tweet reinforces this impression. It contains nothing which expresses the significance of the loss, but it does talk about how wonderful life would be apart from these outside events.

It's as though he realizes that he should feel something for the loss of the Kennedys or the 9/11 victims, but he's more upset about the loss of his ability to enjoy the beautiful weather.

What a shallow, empty SOB.

I don't know about his deat... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I don't know about his death, but Kennedy's life bears comparison to 9-11. Ted Kennedy took to the senate floor and said the following:

"Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management."

Sen. Kennedy acted in concert with our enemies to attack our nation, our troops, and our own president with the express purpose of undermining morale and support for the war. Sen. Kennedy rhetorically bombed the U.S. Senate and our nation. He and his leftist pals worked tirelessly from within for our defeat. This is his legacy. The Kennedy/9-11 comparison is exceedingly valid. May he be remembered forever.

Yeah, no one seems to recal... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Yeah, no one seems to recall his backdoor conversations with the old USSR during the Reagan years. That didn't come to light until after the Soviet Union passed away and the KGB archives opened up for a short time. Often wonder why he wasn't called up on that.

Palate cleanser for the eve... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:
The depths of liberal depra... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The depths of liberal depravity:

Melissa Lafski on HuffPo asserts that Mary Jo Kopechne would have felt her death was worth it to have Teddy in the Senate for so long.

How incredibly tone deaf does one have to be to think that the people who suffer in your self centered drive to fulfill your personal need for self aggrandizement are glad that they are the ones who get to sacrifice and even die so you can be fat, rich and happy.

Sick.

The stupid in here....it hu... (Below threshold)
Wow:

The stupid in here....it hurts. The right wing in this country is scary, you people need to take a deep breath and start reading something other than Hannity and Coulter, listening to someone other than Limbaugh and watching someone other than Beck before someone gets hurt. I'm begging you.

Wow-why? should w... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Wow-

why? should we be afraid of you?

Go watch the link from GarandFan above. Then come back in your leftist sanctimony and explain why it is that leftist socialism is going to make our lives better. Or is it just going to make your life better because you are incapable of succeeding on your own merit?

Wow- the only people hurt s... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Wow- the only people hurt so far have been those beaten by SEIU thugs paid to come out in support of Obama. Hence your statement come across as the threatening one.

Ace of Spades HQ has a hila... (Below threshold)
Dr. Carlo Lombardi:

Ace of Spades HQ has a hilarious thread about this called the "Matt Cooper walkback game"

http://minx.cc/?post=291460

The stupid in here....it... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

The stupid in here....it hurts. The right wing in this country is scary

Aw, poor widdle baby. Here, have the blue pill.

Let's see if I have this st... (Below threshold)

Let's see if I have this straight...

An old man who was a notoriously hard drinker and who has been in severely declining health with a terminal condition diagnosed over a year ago finally succumbs to said condition after a full life.

Yup. It's like 9/11 all over again!

Seriously, have the so-called "journalists" in this country lost their ever-loving minds???

(Don't bother answering that, I already know.)

Wow:Perhaps you sh... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Wow:

Perhaps you should get your information from other sources besides Daily Kos, Olbermann, Couric and Matthews. It might make you a more enlightened person. At the very least, you'd be able to respond in a more intelligent manner.

"And watching someone ot... (Below threshold)
914:

"And watching someone other than Beck before someone gets hurt. Im begging you."

So now that uncle pickle has picked his last pickled pepper, you come begging to us for support?

Screw that.

I'm pretty sure wow's stupi... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

I'm pretty sure wow's stupidity hurts him all the time. He just wants us to pick up the tab.

Was Saddam Hussein involve ... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

Was Saddam Hussein involve in any way with the attacks of September 11, 2001?

I am wondering how the conv... (Below threshold)
mag:

I am wondering how the conversation between God and TK is going?
Seriously, I never like the Kennedys, perhaps John was I was very young. But the things that are coming out about him makes me dislike TK all the more. Not only his politics (like working with the KGB-isn't that traitorous?), but his behavivor as a human being (going to a elite party in a foreign country with a hooker, drunk and urining all over the sofa).
The more I read about Mary Jo and how she died I can not think how horrific her last moments on earth must have been.
And for this some people glorified him. Says more about them then TK.

The terrorist on 9/11 kille... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

The terrorist on 9/11 killed over 3000 innocent Americans. Ted Kennedy only killed 1. There's no comparison.

"Was Saddam Hussein involve... (Below threshold)
sam:

"Was Saddam Hussein involve in any way with the attacks of September 11, 2001?"

Are you pining for Saddam's return? Newsflash for you, he is not coming back. Go find another murderer to lick his di**.

WorldCitizen, he was the on... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

WorldCitizen, he was the only national leader to express support for them. In and of itself sufficient casus belli, historically. He put himself on the side of the 9/11 terrorists, no one else had to do that for him.
Oh, and your handle is a joke. You're no more a citizen of the world than King of it. Go trot into North Korea and demand your rights. . .

You know it's interesting t... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

You know it's interesting the WC brings up Saddam Hussein, as I feel much the same about Ted Kennedy's death, as I did about Saddam's.

Of course, Saddam had a lot less blood of innocent victims on his hands than did Teddy, but still the net result was that the world was very slightly less evil because of their passing.

I unknowingly subscribed to... (Below threshold)
Butch5:

I unknowingly subscribed to Wizbang not knowing it was a site for right wingnuts. I will unsubscribe. America is truly divided between the progressive folks who tend to have some empathy for the unfortunate among us and you reactionary, nasty, mean spirited neanderthals.

Of course, Saddam had a ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Of course, Saddam had a lot less blood of innocent victims on his hands than did Teddy,

Um... care to retract, P.B?

No Hyper not at all. Sadda... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

No Hyper not at all. Saddam was not complicit in the deaths of over 50,000,000 innocent unborn as Teddy was so my stament was entirely correct.

Senator Kennedy was not som... (Below threshold)
Chad:

Senator Kennedy was not someone I usually agreed with, but I will pray that his family and friends will find comfort and peace in this time. I will not bash the man at his death, nor should the democrats use his name to ram the healthcare boondoggle down our throats. I don't believe he was all bad, but I can't agree with his politics, nor what he did to Mary Kopechne.

Everyone who hates TK pleas... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

Everyone who hates TK please take a moment and instead feel saddened for him.

Early on in his career he made several remarks about abortion which nobody here seems to remember...

"...abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life."

"When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family, and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception,"

It is very sad that he changed his views, this quote from him is rather inspiring and it really makes me wish for a Democrat leader who was pro-life. I don't know why he changed his views, especially as he proclaimed to be a devout Catholic.

I pray that on his death bed he truly repented for many things including this.

I am strongly against abortion on demand, however I do believe that D&C in the face of true danger to the mother should still be available.

Let us morn the wayward life and life choices of a once great man.

Well, P.B., insofar as the ... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Well, P.B., insofar as the United States had a moral impetus to remove someone as awful as Saddam Hussein from power, as I assume you believe, then why aren't you encouraging people to murder liberal Democrat politicians if, as you assert, they are worse than Saddam Hussein? Hell, why aren't you killing them yourself? Wouldn't even have to fly to Iraq to do it. There are probably some within an hour's drive of your home!

I'm a big fan of hyperbole, dude, but that's a pretty horrible thing to say. He didn't kill 50,000,000 babies--he allowed 50,000,000 women to exercise control over their own reproductive systems. Saddam Hussein tortured and killed people for a variety of reasons, most of them evil. So, again, would you care to retract your statement?

Intentionally and deliberat... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Intentionally and deliberately comparing a Democratic U.S. Senator to the murderous Saddam Hussein -- in a post that twists and distorts a liberal's bad choice of words in a day of mourning -- Priceless.

Don't you just hate it when social conservatives do that?

Vic

John Irving,I gues... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

John Irving,

I guess I could just try to go to my neighboring county and try to vote.

Wait, I am a citizen of the US, I have a passport and everything, and you are telling me I don't have the right to vote anywhere I want? WHAT? The US, state and local governments are infringing on my rights! Kind of like any other place you visit will have a prescribed set of rules and regulations? Go figure.

So, if I did go to North Korea the rights I would be able to excursive would be limited to the rules and regulation of the country. Sort of like it is in the US.

Stop being silly.

Again Hyper, no I won't.</p... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Again Hyper, no I won't.

Some of us actually feel a ... (Below threshold)
Constitution First:

Some of us actually feel a huge sigh of relief; the occupation is finally over.

Perhaps we can now "Move-On" to a saner, more responsible way of living with out all the unfunded entitlements that are killing our country for 40+ years.

Maybe we can move to a saner more responsible immigration policy, one that does not involve importing slave labor for the benefit of industrial agriculture, but instead lets in educated, productive workers that are going to contribute more to the nation than they take out.

Maybe that seat will be filled by someone who is for their country instead of their party.

Wouldn't it be nice the have a Constitutionalist Lion instead a a partisan one?

Because no country... (Below threshold)
Because no country singer is going to wax poetic about the life this man lived.

Oh, I don't know about that, with all of his drinking, reckless driving and adultery, I would think Ted Kennedy's life would have all sorts of great material for a country song.

O_Muse,More than one... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

O_Muse,
More than one Hank III song comes to mind.

VIc"Intentionally ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

VIc

"Intentionally and deliberately comparing a Democratic U.S. Senator to the murderous Saddam Hussein -- in a post that twists and distorts a liberal's bad choice of words in a day of mourning -- Priceless.

Don't you just hate it when social conservatives do that?"

As opposed to the thousands of times Bush was compared to Hitler over the past 8 years. Isnt Karma a bitch.




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