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I Call Bull On This One -- Just How Stupid Do They Think You Are?

According to Jake Tapper:

Responding to criticism from former Vice President Cheney that President Obama is making the nation more vulnerable to terrorism, the president's National Security Adviser, Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.), told ABC News in an exclusive interview that actually the reverse is true: President Obama's greater success with international relations has meant more terrorists put out of commission.

I tweeted the following in response:

NSA claims Obama better taking terrorists out of commission than Bush. http://tinyurl.com/mzsf9v How, by bringing them into his admin.?

Now that I have had a few minutes to think about it though, I just have to ask "How stupid do they think we are?" Pretty damn stupid if you ask me.

"The world is coming together on this matter now that President Obama has taken the leadership on it and is approaching it in a slightly different way - actually a radically different way - to discuss things with other rulers to enhance the working relationships with law enforcement agencies - both national and international."

Jones said that "we are seeing results that indicate more captures, more deaths of radical leaders and a kind of a global coming-together by the fact that this is a threat to not only the United States but to the world at-large and the world is moving toward doing something about it."

The former Marine General didn't provide any specific numbers to back up his claim, but he said "there is an increasing trend and I think we seen that in different parts of the world over the last few months for sure." He added that he was not "making a tally sheet saying we are killing more people, capturing more people than they did -- that is not the issue."

How bleeping stupid? Read it again, people. Obama is doing more to capture and kill terrorists and we know this because "we are seeing results that indicate more captures, more deaths of radical leaders" and lots of global community hooey, but don't ask for numbers or anything because that is not the issue. How stupid do they think we are? More stupid than you can imagine. More stupid than an Ace Ventura or a Dumb and Dumber movie. Much more stupid than that. It will be interesting to see how this one flies. I have a feeling they are going to find out all but the most devoted Obama followers are going to have a hard time swallowing this one.


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These fricken lying loonie ... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

These fricken lying loonie libs have been lying to their base for so long, with TASS, oops, I mean the MSM media covering for them, they feel they dont have to be honest or, even feel the obligation to support their bs statements.

Stupid enough to believe th... (Below threshold)
TrueBlue:

Stupid enough to believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11.

Lorie-If you have ... (Below threshold)
rory:

Lorie-

If you have the stomach for it go look at what the DailyKos is doing to Liz Cheney on their front page right now-the video.

First, the title it-"The Annoying Interruptor" but it's Liz Cheney at the Round Table vs. George Stephanopulus, DJ Dionne, Sam Donaldson, and Gwen Iffel {don't want to look up the spelling for these people}-with George Will.

Then DailyKos edits it to cut her off on top of whatever and ends it with a nasty sound bite from Sam Donaldson:

Here we are with a female {hisssss} member of his family.

As if George Stepha-whats-his-nuts is an honest "reporter"...

But, ya Obama is going to "balance" everything.


Its George Snufalufugus and... (Below threshold)
914:

Its George Snufalufugus and yes Obama has funded terrorists in the gaza strip so I guess he has the inside track on taking out their heirarchy if he so chooses.

What a bunch of shit.

When you turn the world ups... (Below threshold)
kathie:

When you turn the world upside down, you have to tell a REALLY BIG LIE to take people's minds off what you have done.

Remember Obama's special handshake with Hugo Chavez, look where Hugo is tonight. A quick visit to Libya with Sudanese President Omar al-Beshir, Robert Mugabe, and the newly released killer of Pan Am flight 103. Our new best friends! North Korea is sending missiles to Iran, AQ Kahn is free to roam the world again. Israel can't build on the West Bank but the Palestinians can build in Israel. Really we are killing the bad guys in droves. Bush just played golf, flew to New York for dinner and hob nobbed on the Vineyard. When Bush wasn't out there tooting his own horn, he was out there torturing those son of a bitches. But Obama really is the guy, the guy, really he is.

How stupid do they think we... (Below threshold)
jim m:

How stupid do they think we are?

Dumb enough to vote for these losers. How much more dumb can you get? The answer is none. None more dumb. (apologies to Spinal Tap)

When people talk about a Sa... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

When people talk about a Saddam connection to 9/11 I always think of the item Democrat Fritz Hollings entered into the Congressional Record (via Captain's Quarters): http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005332.php

I dare you all to read it. I wonder how many have seen it before. I thought it was pretty interesting and am amazed that I have never, ever, heard it discussed in the media. Not in 2002 or since. Here is Ed's summary of the editorial which appeared in the Iraqi paper prior to the 9/11 attacks:

In one editorial, two months before the attack, al-Nasiriyah -- a state-run newspaper for the Saddam regime -- managed to name all three attack targets for 9/11. They said that bin Laden had spent his time trying to work out how to bomb the White House, which would happen shortly before destroying the Pentagon. Then, in typically flowery Arabic fashion, the author claims that Americans will "curse the memory of Frank Sinatra", an odd reference -- unless one remembers that "New York, New York" remains Sinatra's signature song. In the event, the attack followed precisely this plan, except in reverse order: the World Trade Center went first, then the Pentagon, and the White House would likely have followed if the heroes of Flight 93 had not caused the terrorists to down the plane in Pennsylvania.

Even beyond that, the fawning tone and obvious support for Osama bin Laden in one of Saddam's newspapers belies any suggestion that the two could not find common ground for operations against their common enemy. Saddam wanted Iraqis to stand behind Osama and al-Qaeda and cheer on their attacks on the US.

But that was not the argument made for taking out Saddam. The argument was that after 9/11 some (like Bush and Cheney) said "never again" will we ignore threats. Saddam was a threat. Whether he had WMD or not, most of the world believed he had it and his behavior only reinforced that belief so they believed Saddam to be a threat. After 9/11 some believed the US could not afford to ignore threats involving terrorism and WMD. Obviously that is no longer the case with the current administration.
He added that he was not "m... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

He added that he was not "making a tally sheet saying we are killing more people, capturing more people than they did -- that is not the issue."

I thought the good general is the one who made it an issue of comparison. Personally, I think the good general is full of shit. And as for other nation's intelligence agencies cooperating with us....better check with Reich Minister for Prosecutions Eric Holder about that. Intelligence agencies don't like working with amateurs, and that's what Barry has got running things.

Any successes in foreign countries right now has nothing to do with Barry, but a lot to do with self-preservation.

To put a point on it dear General, the other countries of the world aren't buying the love. Or is your head so far up your ass you think the Iranians and NOK's are bending over backwards to placate us? Even our allies, the Brits are pissing on us at the moment. Or is it Barry they're pissing on?

First Cheney is correct tha... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

First Cheney is correct that investigating the CIA a second time for the same thing is politically motivated. If Eric Holder really believed the part about "we're a nation of laws" he would go after sanctuary cities who are breaking federal immigration laws.

The often heard comment that torture doesn't work is a myth propagated by those who don't want to deal with the reality of 21st century asymmetric warfare. The idea that enemies will play by some set of rules is a quaint notion that hasn't been followed to the benefit of American troops since we fought Nazi Germany, and like other obsolete ideas, it needs to be retired to the dustbin of history.

The disgust many express at the thought that the Unites States practices torture needs to be reviewed in the light that these same people have no problem with stealthily lobbing hellfire missiles into homes where innocent women and children are often killed and maimed. Answer me this liberal, how is torture of the masterminds of the attacks on the U.S. repulsive, yet the high tech terror we subject innocents to in the same cause is acceptable?

The claim by former Marine General Jones that now because of Obama's be nice policy we are getting international corporation is actually an indictment against the international community, who according to Jones must have been purposely withholding corporation because they didn't like Bush. More likely they didn't like the U.S. in Iraq, but Bush completed that operation with the signing of the forces agreement before he left office. If we are getting more corporation it's because of the successful completion of the Iraq operation and not because of Obama apologizing to the world for the U.S. defending itself.

Obama and the Democrats are wagering the lives of perhaps thousands of American lives that they can wage the war on terror in a kinder and gentler way in order to generate good will among those who would destroy us. They ignore sound reasoning that our security should not depend on the good will of terrorists, but on their fear of reprisal.

How stupid they think we ar... (Below threshold)
JX Hammer:

How stupid they think we are? The stories and posts here and posts and stories on other web sites says it all.

But keep putting up the BS here and other sites. and keep voting against you pocket book. Do you people really think the GOP has your best interest in their thinking, same as the Demo's. Our elected critters have their own pocketbooks and who fills their pocketbooks.

It doesn't matter which political party, we the people are getting screwed.

Lorie - based on your insin... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Lorie - based on your insinuation, who in Obama's administration do you consider to be a terrorist?

Its George Snufalufugus ... (Below threshold)
TinaS:

Its George Snufalufugus and yes Obama has funded terrorists in the gaza strip so I guess he has the inside track on taking out their heirarchy if he so chooses.

What a bunch of shit.

9-14,

Obama authorized $20 million in emergency food and medical assistance for Gaza. None of the money went to Hamas.

Bush authorized $150 million dollars to Palestinian Authority on March 18th 2008. None of the money went to Hamas.

Neither Obama, George Snufalufugus or Bush funded terrorists.

Who voted against their poc... (Below threshold)
914:

Who voted against their pocketbook? I did not vote for Obama.

And what BS are you referring to? JX

"The former Marine General ... (Below threshold)
SpideyTerry:

"The former Marine General didn't provide any specific numbers to back up his claim"

Anyone surprised? Anyone at all? Didn't think so.

"Saddam was a threat. Whether he had WMD or not, most of the world believed he had it and his behavior only reinforced that belief so they believed Saddam to be a threat. After 9/11 some believed the US could not afford to ignore threats involving terrorism and WMD. Obviously that is no longer the case with the current administration."

Stop bringing logic into this. It confuses Obama.

"Bush authorized $150 million dollars to Palestinian Authority on March 18th 2008."

The question is, to what part did the money go? If memory serves, Bush cut off aid money to Hamas-controlled Gaza - not the West Bank. Obama, however, pushed to reinstate aid money to Gaza. Does anyone here doubt that Hamas won't use that money for their anti-Israeli crap? Didn't think so.

914,See comment <a... (Below threshold)
TinaS:

914,

See comment 12.

-Tina S

jp - Rather than "bringing ... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

jp - Rather than "bringing them into" his administration what I should have said was "bringing them aid and comfort through" his administration. I didn't mean that he had physically brought them into the White House to live with he and Michelle and the kids, but he has brought them under new policies of his administration that make it harder for us to get information from them and he has brought people into his administration that have taken a softer line on terrorism.

I am trying to help my daughter finish a project for school so I don't have time to go into every instance, but here are a few examples for those who are interested:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/28/gadhafi%E2%80%99s-camping-trip-is-a-bloody-outrage/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/miranda_rights_for_terrorists.asp

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/24/us.terror.interrogations/index.html

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/197420.php

If Eric Holder really belie... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

If Eric Holder really believed the part about "we're a nation of laws" he would go after sanctuary cities who are breaking federal immigration laws.

If we were 'a nation of laws' Holder wouldn't have gotten a pardon for Marc Rich. But then this guy doesn't have a problem with voter intimidation either. As long as those doing the intimidating are black.

Ok Tina, I see comment 12</... (Below threshold)
914:

Ok Tina, I see comment 12

Thank You!

Thanks for the correction L... (Below threshold)
jp2:

Thanks for the correction Lorie.

Good luck with the project!

Obama authorized $20 millio... (Below threshold)
Baxter Greene:

Obama authorized $20 million in emergency food and medical assistance for Gaza. None of the money went to Hamas.
12. Posted by TinaS | September 1, 2009 12:02 AM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: 0 (0 votes cast)

Money is going right into Hamas's hands.


Awesome: Gaza aid money will go to Hamas
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/07/awesome-gaza-aid-money-will-go-to-hamas.html

Well, I have some awesome - just awesome - news for you. Hamas is going to get the money after all.
"All humanitarian aid sent into the Gaza Strip today needs to receive Hamas clearance," a senior defense official told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. "Hamas uses violence against international organizations, including UNRWA, if they do not cooperate."

At the meeting, Hamas officials told the UN representatives they wanted to be able to draw up the list of people who would receive the money, according to the Defense Ministry document. The sides decided to set up joint committees and to continue to meet in the future.

"This is an indication to us that there is no effective mechanism that can be established that will bypass Hamas and ensure the money goes straight to the Palestinian people," the senior defense official said.

Hamas runs the show there,where else did anyone think it was going to go?

Stupid enough to believe that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9-11.

2. Posted by TrueBlue | August 31, 2009 10:42 PM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: -10 (10 votes cast)

Stupid enough to still whine about something Bush never said.

But please,check with some of the "smartest people in the room" like (D)Sen. Rockefeller and (D)Sen. Edwards who stated that Saddam was an imminent threat to the US.
You know, before they voted for a war that they turned against for political gain.

"The world is comi... (Below threshold)
Tom:
"The world is coming together on this matter now that President Obama has taken the leadership on it and is approaching it in a slightly different way - actually a radically different way - to discuss things with other rulers to enhance the working relationships with law enforcement agencies - both national and international."

Other rulers? Obama is a ruler now? Hope and change!

Here are some num... (Below threshold)
Baxter Greene:

Here are some numbers for Mr. Jones:

Are We Safer?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/05/020600.php
On the stump, Barack Obama usually concludes his comments on Iraq by saying, "and it hasn't made us safer." It is an article of faith on the left that nothing the Bush administration has done has enhanced our security, and, on the contrary, its various alleged blunders have only contributed to the number of jihadists who want to attack us.
Empirically, however, it seems beyond dispute that something has made us safer since 2001. Over the course of the Bush administration, successful attacks on the United States and its interests overseas have dwindled to virtually nothing.
Some perspective here is required. While most Americans may not have been paying attention, a considerable number of terrorist attacks on America and American interests abroad were launched from the 1980s forward, too many of which were successful. What follows is a partial history:
1988
February: Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Higgens, Chief of the U.N. Truce Force, was kidnapped and murdered by Hezbollah.
December: Pan Am flight 103 from London to New York was blown up over Scotland, killing 270 people, including 35 from Syracuse University and a number of American military personnel.
1991
November: American University in Beirut bombed.
1993
January: A Pakistani terrorist opened fire outside CIA headquarters, killing two agents and wounding three.
February: World Trade Center bombed, killing six and injuring more than 1,000.
1995
January: Operation Bojinka, Osama bin Laden's plan to blow up 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, discovered.
November: Five Americans killed in attack on a U.S. Army office in Saudi Arabia.
1996
June: Truck bomb at Khobar Towers kills 19 American servicemen and injures 240.
June: Terrorist opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one.
1997
February: Palestinian opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one and wounding more than a dozen.
November: Terrorists murder four American oil company employees in Pakistan.
1998
January: U.S. Embassy in Peru bombed.
August: Simultaneous bomb attacks on U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed more than 300 people and injured over 5,000.
1999
October: Egypt Air flight 990 crashed off the coast of Massachusetts, killing 100 Americans among the more than 200 on board; the pilot yelled "Allahu Akbar!" as he steered the airplane into the ocean.
2000
October: A suicide boat exploded next to the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.
2001
September: Terrorists with four hijacked airplanes kill around 3,000 Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
December: Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber," tries to blow up a transatlantic flight, but is stopped by passengers.
The September 11 attack was a propaganda triumph for al Qaeda, celebrated by a dismaying number of Muslims around the world. Everyone expected that it would draw more Muslims to bin Laden's cause and that more such attacks would follow. In fact, though, what happened was quite different: the pace of successful jihadist attacks against the United States slowed, decelerated further after the onset of the Iraq war, and has now dwindled to essentially zero. Here is the record:
2002
October: Diplomat Laurence Foley murdered in Jordan, in an operation planned, directed and financed by Zarqawi in Iraq, perhaps with the complicity of Saddam's government.
2003
May: Suicide bombers killed 10 Americans, and killed and wounded many others, at housing compounds for westerners in Saudi Arabia.
October: More bombings of United States housing compounds in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killed 26 and injured 160.
2004
There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.
2005
There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.
2006
There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.
2007
There were no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.
2008
So far, there have been no successful attacks inside the United States or against American interests abroad.

Saddam and Zarqawi dead.Osama in a cave somewhere if he is even still alive.
50,000,000 people liberated and voting, many for the very first time.

Get back to us when Obama even comes close to these numbers.

Bush must have been... (Below threshold)
Baxter Greene:


Bush must have been doing something right since Obama is pretty much following in his footsteps by using his same policies.

According to our international friends, the world is safer:


B.C. researchers find decline in global terrorism, question previous data
1 day ago
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iJciaxCBODpiOZKXuLS73Q0gpaBA
VANCOUVER -- A group of researchers from Simon Fraser University says global terrorism is on the decline, despite previous data and public perceptions that suggest otherwise.
The university's Human Security Report Project says fatalities from terrorist attacks around the world have, in fact, decreased by 40 per cent since 2001.

Of course when Bush used these policies, he was labeled a war criminal.

Obama uses them and it's "smart power":

Obama still using:

Rendition,

Secret prisons,

State secrets,

Indefinite detention,

Enhanced Interrogation,

NSA wiretapping,

and bombing villages and killing civilians.

Where oh where are all the anti-war marchers now.
Apparently war is the answer if a democrat is carrying it out.

DISTRACT WITH BOOOSHH all u... (Below threshold)
914:

DISTRACT WITH BOOOSHH all u want;;;

YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE SENSE OUT OF OBAMA....

GO FOR IT!

Baxter's on fire :)... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Baxter's on fire :)

Well, actually, some of you... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Well, actually, some of you, very.

Ah, SAUD -You neve... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ah, SAUD -

You never fail to fail, do ya?

Isn't it interesting? Your long screeds about how we're going to be steamrollered by the forces of progressivism kind of missed the mark, didn't they? Health care's stalling, Cap&Trade's losing steam - people are getting away from the "It's an emergency, we've got to spend all this right now or we're all gonna die!!! " crisis mentality, and going "You know, we DO have time to take a look at all this crap you're trying to shove down our throats under the guise of 'emergency solutions'" - and 'the people' (ungrateful bastards they are) are looking at the costs and going "There's no friggin' WAY we can afford all this!"

But then, it really wasn't about 'helping' the people, was it? Might have been about control, it might have been about getting the money to pass out as bribes - but 'the people' can tell they're getting the short end of the stick, regardless of what the folks pushing this stuff might say.

Yep Lawson....mind control.... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Yep Lawson....mind control. "We're coming to take you away you know. "


Oh I forgot, that's from your theme song.

I <a href="http://thoughtso... (Below threshold)

I wrote last night that this was the foreign policy equivalent of Obama's 'jobs created or saved' fiction... a made up statistic that the MSM accepts as fact. and since Obama never got called on it, he likely figured he would use it elsewhere.

Mind control? ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Mind control? MIND control? LOL!

Saud, you're just plain friggin' HELPLESS without your scripts and talking points, aren't you? Don't trying winging it, man, you just don't have it.

I'm talking about POLITICAL control, you clueless parrot - where Obama goes "I won", emphasizing his role as 'chief decider' for the nation.

He 'won' - so he figured that was a mandate to do whatever he wanted. Now people are pushing back, because they see he (like you) doesn't have a damn clue about what to do next... except it all involves spending lots and lots of money we don't have.

Even the dumb-ass Joe Sixpacks who were conned into voting for a 'historic' President are seeing the light - especially after how well the 'Cash for Clunkers' program went off. Destruction of perfectly good vehicles, massive amounts of paperwork to get payments for what should be a simple transaction, and then the government delaying or refusing payments with no explanation?

And this is the same group that wants to take over health care? Oh, HELL yeah - they're sure showing they can manage it, aren't they?

Face it, Saud - you got conned good and proper.

Stupid enough to think that... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Stupid enough to think that Sarah Palin is qualified to hold national office.

Stupid enough to believe that Obama was going to "tank the economy" and miss the huge rise in the stock market that began with his inauguration.

Stupid enough to think that destabilizing the Middle East as Bush did was going to make the country safer.

Stupid enough to think that legal abortions are a crime and its ok to murder doctors.

Stupid enough to believe that Cash for Clunkers was a failure even though it retired thousands of gas guzzling cars.

And apparently stupid enough to think that Dick Cheney is doing anything more than trying to keep his criminal ass out of jail.

Vic

Saud -You're stupi... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Saud -

You're stupid enough to think OBAMA's qualifed as President.

Despite never having done anything that would prep him for the job.

You really can't wing it without talking points, can you? It's actually rather pathetic, in a way... kind of like a sad clown, only creepier.

And 'huge rise' in the stock market? Oh, man - you REALLY are struggling, aren't you?

LawsonAre you drun... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Lawson

Are you drunk or just stupid? Or perhaps both? You consistently accuse me of making comments that I don't make and using "talking points." Tell me you angry little man where did I mention the stock market? Tell me also, little man, what exact "talking points" are you referring to?

Speaking of pathetic - you let your anger run your silly little mouth.

Saud -Whoever's fe... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Saud -

Whoever's feeding you the 'huge rise' line is hoping you don't look at this...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EDJI&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=%5EGSPC,%5EIXIC

A 2 year chart, DOW, S&P and NASDAQ. Two years - Remember, the Dems got control in 2006. This goes from Sep 2007. Pretty colors, aren't they? Still 20-30% BELOW the baseline. Five year chart's interesting also.

Now, you could argue things both ways - either that Obama is causing the recovery, or he caused the market to crater. I believe it's the Democrat-caused financial problems in the housing industry, plus the 'stimulus' package, plus the possibility of Cap&Trade that caused things to go severely downhill - and now things are looking up BECAUSE Cap&Trade is looking to be a complete fail, and other portions of Obama's agenda are being shoved aside.

You can't always depend on talking points and insults, Saud.

Ah, my apologies, SAUD!... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ah, my apologies, SAUD!

It was your little brother VIC who's been playing with the keyboard! My mistake - you two are so alike it's ridiculous!

Yeah, I can see why you don't want to be compared with him! Neither of you come off well at all...

First off Baxter, I'm surpr... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

First off Baxter, I'm surprised nobody called you out on the fact that, yes; While we have not been attacked abroad on civilian interests, we are still involved in a war on two fronts which is killing soldiers.

I don't disagree with you I just want to be completely truthful. Sorry if I just gave the idiots amunition, but better soldiers who take the risk willingly than a few thousand civilians.

As for Vic:

Stupid enough to think that Sarah Palin is qualified to hold national office.

If the only thing you look at is their record then Sarah Palin has true governing experience whereas Obama is a Washington fat cat. If you compare their backgrounds then Obama comes up with all sorts of seedy characters and dealings in his past. The worst of SarahGate was that MattDamon said she was a religious wacko, and that she got her brother in law fired for using a tazer as a teaching tool.

Stupid enough to believe that Obama was going to "tank the economy" and miss the huge rise in the stock market that began with his inauguration.

As your people are so fond of saying, its only been 8 months. And in those 8 months things have begun that the fed doesn't want you looking at too closely. I wonder why...

Stupid enough to think that destabilizing the Middle East as Bush did was going to make the country safer.

And yet we are still in Afganastan and in fact, ramping up that front aren't we? The middle east was never "stable" to begin with, they have been fighting for a millennia or more.

Stupid enough to think that legal abortions are a crime and its ok to murder doctors.

It is NOT okay to kill doctors, there you go lumping everyone on the right with some whackos. Why don't we lump you in with your whackos? People who bomb police boxes and recruiting centers? So its okay to kill police and people who want to join the military?

Stupid enough to believe that Cash for Clunkers was a failure even though it retired thousands of gas guzzling cars.

And in the process many of the dealerships who participated are going bankrupt with no money in site from the government. Those cars are no longer available as parts for other older cars, and most of the phantom money is going to foreign dealers anyway. They own GM, they might as well have made it a rebate instead.

And apparently stupid enough to think that Dick Cheney is doing anything more than trying to keep his criminal ass out of jail.

Vic

I could care less about Cheney as could most people. If he is truly a criminal he deserves to go to jail, but give him a damn fair trial as well as the rest of the operatives they want to use as scapegoats and distractions. Bush and Cheney are not in office anymore didn't you get the memo? Your hatred of those two is blinding you to the WackObama who is trying to give control of most of the country to the government.

I ask as I always do, what will you do when all of these bills pass and control is given to the Democrats, only to have republicans or a third party put in charge in 3-8 years? Do you trust our party to "do the right thing" when the time comes? You don't seem to trust them now.

Why give all that power to the government? Or do you think that the Savior Obama deserves to become our first King or Dictator?

My liberal acquaintances te... (Below threshold)
BluesHarper:

My liberal acquaintances tell me that everything I pass along to them such as this is all "propaganda". It seems that no matter what, they hold onto their love for Obama. The sun shines out his a$$, don't you know. But I'll keep trying to push this rope.

Couldn't be that even the d... (Below threshold)
mojo:

Couldn't be that even the devout muslims are getting pretty tired of all the takfiri crap, could it?

"Stupid enough to believe t... (Below threshold)
Not Always Right:

"Stupid enough to believe that Cash for Clunkers was a failure even though it retired thousands of gas guzzling cars."

In 2007 there were 136 million cars and 110 million trucks in the US. To say that retiring thousands of cars at a cost of $3 billion was a success is an argument that only a liberal could make and it can only be made because the money used belonged to someone else!

700,000 clunkers were retir... (Below threshold)
SGreen:

700,000 clunkers were retired. Millions of gallons of gasoline will be saved, reducing our dependence on foreign oil. But the real goal was to stimulate the economy, which it has done. Saving jobs, stemming unemployment, saving people's homes.

Obama's foreign policy succ... (Below threshold)
James H:

Obama's foreign policy successes? I'm not sure I'd go that far. I would think that the most important diplomacy contacts in the war on terror would not be at the presidential level, but rather at the on the ground level between (non-covert) CIA members and their foreign counterparts, and between US Foreign Service diplomats (and other embassy personnel) and their analogues in their host governments.

It's tough to analyze whether these sorts of relationships have improved because we never really hear about them in the news.

SGreen wrote:Bu... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

SGreen wrote:

But the real goal was to stimulate the economy, which it has done. Saving jobs, stemming unemployment . . .

That explains Michigan's 15.6 % unemployment rate.

That wasnt much of a comeba... (Below threshold)
914:

That wasnt much of a comeback SAUDI.

Yes Iwog, But You ... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes Iwog,

But You have to account for the boosh hangover jobz corp unemployment program that he was not fully able to enact because he was a shame duck his last 2 years for causing 911.

Now that Chithugarism is in town, We dont have to worry about Al rapeya types anymore, cause they see were so stupid for selecting this, they dont even have to bother with killing us. Were doing the job for them.

This is what happens when y... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

This is what happens when you are around Obama too long. You stop needing things like proof and evidence. Like Obama, you start to believe that everyone is as stupid as they are in Chicago.

"This is what happens when ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"This is what happens when you are around Obama too long. You stop needing things like proof and evidence."

According to Obamabots, whatever Obama says becomes FACT. Saves all that time on research and fact checking.

Like when Hirohito surrendered to MacArthur at the end of WWII. And that thing about 57 states.

"700,000 clunkers were reti... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"700,000 clunkers were retired. Millions of gallons of gasoline will be saved, reducing our dependence on foreign oil. But the real goal was to stimulate the economy, which it has done. Saving jobs, stemming unemployment, saving people's homes."

Many cars with long useful lives were needlessly destroyed, depriving people with lower incomes the ability to purchase them. Prices for used cars will rise, as will the cost of used parts for older vehicles. The savings in gasoline are projected to be so minuscule as to be non-existent. And as for 'stimulating the economy', it induced those on the fences to purchase now, rather than later. In the next several months, when showrooms have no customers, will you be able to point to all those who's "job was saved"?

Oh, and SGreen, Chrysler (y... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Oh, and SGreen, Chrysler (you remember them, we taxpayers now own part of that company) sales during the great Cash for Clunkers Sale-a-thon FELL to 15 percent to 93,222 units.

AND auto industry insiders believe "Consumers are expected to steer clear of dealers this autumn now that the clunker rebates are no longer available."

Garandfan -There's... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Garandfan -

There's also the question of how many paid off cars have been turned in, and now folks have the additional expense of a car note AND higher insurance costs.

How many repo men will be employed by this 'stimulus'?

The vile left is getting mo... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The vile left is getting more vile because they see their messiah sinking rapidly which brings about a question? If you think Palin should not hold a national elected office because her lack of experience would hurt us, why do or did you support Obama with even less experience? I know. He talks good. Wow! You guys are more pathetic everyday.

America, and particularly the independents have awakened. Obama lost them. Congress in 2010. It was only a matter of time before Obama self destructed. What else could you expect from an empty suit. ww

WillieIt's not her... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Willie

It's not her experience that's the issue for this member of the "vile left."

It's her ignorance and stupidity and lack of curiosity. She has some talent as a politician and a winker (more of that than anything else) but even her political skills are in doubt she she became Sarah The Whining Quitter.

Yeah yeah Willie. I know the winguts think it was a brilliant move but that says all that needs to be said about wingnutia.

I can see the ads now, a derivation of Clinton's ad: "Do you want a president who quits when she gets a tough call at 3:00 am.?"

SAUD, revise it anyway you ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

SAUD, revise it anyway you like, but the democrats filing frivolous and frivolous ethics charges against her knowing she would have to employ an attorney to take them on made it impossible for her. You can lie all you want, but she did what she had to do.

As far as her being stupid, I don't know. I will leave it up to your omniscience brain. The same with her curiosity. Funny how the left "knows" the core fundementals of a person while watching TV. Amazing. ww

It's her ignorance and s... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

It's her ignorance and stupidity and lack of curiosity.

I bet the stupid bitch doesn't even know how many states there are. She's so stupid, she didn't even figure how to work the affirmative action system.

Why is it the Reds always c... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Why is it the Reds always claim Americans have a "lack of curiosity?" How the hell do they know? And what makes them think that their icons are all that curious, except perhaps in the sense of an adult personal ad?

"It's her ignorance and stu... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"It's her ignorance and stupidity and lack of curiosity."

For someone who is "ignorant" and 'stupid', she certainly has the lefts pants all twisted up. If she is such a non-entity, why all the worry and constant mention of her name?

Why not ignore her? You'd think she wields the same power as Barry Obama. For an ignorant and stupid person, she sure puts you leftists on the defensive rather easily.

It's clear that the leftist... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

It's clear that the leftists are terrified of her. Look at the effort and vitriol they've expended on her; would they bother if she posed no threat? She's a private citizen now, and yet they go out of their way to bring her up to dump on her. That speaks volumes.

How much flak did Americans give, say, Kucinich? He's a marginalized fruitcake who poses no threat. Not worth worrying about, and no one does.

GarandFan wrote:<i... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

GarandFan wrote:

If she is such a non-entity, why all the worry and constant mention of her name?

Well, I'm not the first to say this, but she cannot be explained by the left. She's a strong, liberated, intelligent woman, a dynamic speaker, a leader, who, given the "choice," decided that her disabled (and inconvenient) child had a right to live that was greater than her own personal concerns. She's principled, gorgeous, tough, and inspiring. But she's conservative and values family above all else.

The left frets: how can this be? How can a smart woman value family and refuse abortion? They can't understand it. So they do the most childish thing they can--they make fun of her.

I would have like for her to have choosen a political life, but can't blame her a bit for going for dough. She did it for her family.

GarandYou nitwit. ... (Below threshold)
Still An Unrepentant Democrat:

Garand

You nitwit. "....constant mention of her name." DUH. It was brought up by the likes of willie and other wingnuts here and there's a whole post about her today on this site and by my count she's been the topic of a post here 20 times she she lost the election. Sheesh you can be a fool - most of the time.

You folks bring her name up, we're happy to give you the majority view of Sarah The Winking Quitter.

Unregistered Democrat:... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Unregistered Democrat:

Even more interesting that the "majority view" about Sarah Palin is the 42% approval rating of President Obama. Let's talk about that instead, shall we?

How dare you people doubt t... (Below threshold)
jim:

How dare you people doubt the word of a veteran?

Still an Uninformed Democra... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Still an Uninformed Democrat, that's no way to talk about President Palin.

SGreen - "700,000 clunk... (Below threshold)
Marc:

SGreen - "700,000 clunkers were retired. Millions of gallons of gasoline will be saved, reducing our dependence on foreign oil. But the real goal was to stimulate the economy, which it has done. Saving jobs, stemming unemployment, saving people's homes."

Well then problem solved, except it isn't close.

OPEC imports to the US are 5,954,000 barrels/day and the US burns thru 19,498,000 barrels/day.

If you think the drop in the proverbial bucket that 700k vehicles bring to "conservation table" you are, as my Grandma used to say: "Off your rocker."

And that says nothing about the program poaching future sales that will see the few that were recalled back in the unemployment line within 6 weeks..

SAUD - "she's been the ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

SAUD - "she's been the topic of a post here 20 times she she lost the election. Sheesh you can be a fool"

That number may, or may not be true. But I bet the vast majority of them were either on her quitting as Gov., you know, and actual news story and legit topic regardless of website or political bent and the remainder were posts detailing the hate-filled, factless rants published by both the MSM and witless asswipes such as yourself.

My personal opinion? SAUD h... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

My personal opinion? SAUD has been overcome by the gaseous shit blowing out of BHO and his corrupt minions. He talks like a drunken sot. He tries to make sense of his ramblings, but can't quite pull it off. Kind of like BHO without a teleprompter.
Don't bother replying SAUD - I tuned you out!
Madalyn

SAUD, you lie. You are a ly... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

SAUD, you lie. You are a lying liar. ww

I skimmed the comments, but... (Below threshold)
Lorie:

I skimmed the comments, but have not read all yet so I don't know how the topic of cash for clunkers came up, but here are a few problems I have with it.

1. Encouraged people with an operating, paid for car to purchase a new car with a big fat payment, taking on big debt in an unsure (and downright crappy) economy.

2. Whatever energy is saved in improved gas mileage has to be offset by the energy it took to produce the new cars, transport them to dealerships, etc. After considering all that, I wonder if there is any "green" benefit or not.

3. The destruction of a car that runs and could be providing transportation for a family that cannot afford a new car strikes me as borderline immoral. Maybe not immoral, but certainly impractical. The result is less used cars on the market for those who cannot afford new ones.

4. Many did not realize they would have to pay taxes on their cash for clunkers money. By the time you figure the taxes on it, and the amount one would have gotten for many of the vehicles in a regular trade in, it might not be such a great deal in many cases.

5. The concept of the taxpayer subsidizing the purchase of a new car is troubling to me. I am subsidizing others' purchase of a new car while I choose to keep my used vehicle. Many of those buying the new cars make a lot more money than I do so we are transferring wealth from people like me with little of it, to others with much more. Many of those could afford to buy a new car without a government funded (with my tax dollars)handout. My tax dollars have already gone to bailout car companies, I just wonder when they will cease to need a handout.

Those are a few of my problems with the program. Again, don't know how this thread got there, but that was on my mind so I decided to jump in.

"You folks bring her name u... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"You folks bring her name up, we're happy to give you the majority view of Sarah The Winking Quitter."

SAUD: While I realize your reading comprehension is below par consider WHO brought Sarah Palin up:

"Stupid enough to think that Sarah Palin is qualified to hold national office."
31. Posted by Victory is Ours | September 1, 2009 9:38 AM

Again I state, as you obviously have the attention span of a flea, 'If she's nothing and constitutes no threat to The One, why discuss her?

Well, yeah. What Lorie said... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Well, yeah. What Lorie said. How much carbon emission is caused by creating a car? (not that carbon emission is relevant to anything, but if it were, all that emission is rendered worthless by destroying that car . . . ). How much wealth has been destroyed by disabling functioning motor vehicles for the C4C program? This situation is insane.

The Cash for Clunkers administrators have no clothes!

But Michelle looks great in shorts!!

Lorie, I agree with all the... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Lorie, I agree with all the points you made so cogently and succinctly, and would add a philosophical one.

This recession has been exacerbated by years of people consuming more than they produced, rather than living within their means. Yet the Cash for Clunkers was designed specifically to stimulate purchases of new cars among those of modest means: exactly the kind of behavior that we're (painfully) unwinding right now.

According to the DOT, in 20... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

According to the DOT, in 2006 there were 250,851,833 passenger vehicles in the US. Obviously more today. So if Barry 'sold' 700K, he replaced .002 of the vehicles at a cost of $3 BILLION. Don't you just love Obamanomics?

Also consider this "best an... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Also consider this "best and brightest administration ever" ran this program AT THE END OF THE MODEL YEAR. You know, when dealers are (even in good times) making deals to get the older models off the lot before the new year models arrive. So now Barry and Company flood the lot with additional buyers. SO? Well now dear friends, dealers don't HAVE to make those year end deals as they have a SURPLUS of buyers for the limited number of cars available (remember the summer close down at GM and Chrysler). They also hammer the buyer with "Well, the government is GIVING you $4500k right off the top, and I have to DESTROY that car of your's so I'm LOSING money on this!" Talk about a perfect storm of stupidity by Barry and Friends. Yeah, they got the older models off the lots. Now let's see 'em sell the new models. Oh dear, don't tell me "CASH FOR CLUNKERS II" at a store near you real soon! How much this time Barry, $5 BILLION, $6 BILLION? or are you just going to write the UAW a blank check?




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