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ACORNS And Briar Patches

Well, gosh golly, does it get more fun than this?

The whole ACORN video sting story just keeps getting better and better. It started off with Baltimore ACORN employees trying to help an admitted pimp and prostitute buy a house to turn into a brothel, complete with illegal-alien underage girls brought into the US as sex slaves. ACORN responded by saying that the stingers had tried their scam at several other offices and were turned away, and the Baltimore "rogues" were promptly fired. They also threatened to sue the filmmakers and Fox News, and Baltimore officials (staunch Democrats) muttered about bringing criminal charges.

Then the filmmakers dropped shoe #2 -- a second video, at a second ACORN office (this one in DC), and a second set of ACORN employees advising them on how to set up their brothel for underage illegal alien sex slaves. This led to a second round of firings and more legal threats.

Apparently the filmmakers are part millipede, because shoe #3 fell over the weekend -- a third ACORN office (Brooklyn) with more "rogue" ACORN employees eagerly helping set up the brothel for underage illegal alien sex slaves. I'll go out on a limb and predict ACORN's response: more firings, more legal threats.

The filmmakers won't say how many more ACORN offices they visited, or even if there are more videos. They are content to release one, then sit back and wait for ACORN to issue their pro forma repudiations, then drop another in a few days. It's simple, but brilliant strategy -- it keeps the story going, and gives ACORN plenty of rope to hang themselves with between tapes.

So, how about those legal threats?

First up, the one against Fox News is doomed. It's a clearly-established legal precedent that once the media gets its hands on something, it can run with it. Even if it was the product of a violation of the law, that doesn't matter -- it's in the public and fair game. So Fox News is in the clear.

The threats against the filmmakers, though -- by ACORN and Maryland state officials -- might have a bit more substance. Maryland has laws that forbid recording conversations without the consent of all parties being recorded, and the filmmakers quite clearly broke that one.

However, ACORN fired the employees in question. So not only do they lack standing to sue, but they've compromised their argument -- any damages done to them were the fault of the ex-employees, not the filmmakers. They should be thanking the filmmakers for uncovering these "rogue" employees before they could do even more harm.

The state's case is much cleaner. If prosecutors choose to push it, then the filmmakers could be in a bit of hot water.

But any victory by the state's Democratic machine would be purely tactical. Strategically, it's a huge loser.

First up, you KNOW these kids will have a legal defense fund set up. And you KNOW that fund will break seven or eight figures in very, very short order.

Second, it will do precisely what their "death of a thousand cuts" release strategy has been doing -- keep the story going. But it'll do it far, far better than letting the videos out in drips and drabs.

Third, it will subject ACORN to the whole "legal discovery" mess, as the filmmakers' attorneys will be going over every single document within ACORN with a fine-toothed comb.

Fourth, it will encourage the now-fired employees to turn on ACORN, as they will be hard-pressed to show that what they did was not simply them going off on their own, but following ACORN's rules -- both written and unwritten. Rules such as "don't ask too many questions" or "sealing the deal is foremost" or "we're not the police, and we're not here to judge" or the like.

So far, this whole mess has cost ACORN its deal with the Census Department (and good riddance). It's led to more and more calls for Congressional investigations into just what they're doing (especially with taxpayers' money), and sooner or later even the Obama Justice Department (which chose to drop a voter-intimidation case against the Black Panthers after they had won a conviction) will have to start answering questions why ACORN is NOT the subject of a RICO investigation.

Until then... pass the popcorn, please. I'm fresh out.

(Title fixed. Thanks, mcg...)


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Comments (42)

I assume you mean "briar" p... (Below threshold)
mcg Author Profile Page:

I assume you mean "briar" patches...

Brilliant strategy by the f... (Below threshold)
TOhio:

Brilliant strategy by the filmmakers! They obviously thought this whole thing through before they even started doing the undercover work.

I bet you that they have at least 5 offices on tape, if not more.

Oh, please Mr. Bear! Please... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Oh, please Mr. Bear! Please don't kick de tar baby!

Leave Obama's administrati... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Leave Obama's administration alone, they are busy these days. DOJ and FBI finding all those wingnut domestic terrorist aka Combat Vets.

Who were engaged in an oversees contingency plan preventing man caused disasters from occurring.

Why would DOJ look at Sexual independent Women who have freed themselves of male stereotypes, bringing in undocumented workers to do the jobs Americans will not do.

Also the IRS is out there finding all those Tax cheats who have not been elected to the Dem party or given a cabinet post.

Priorities people, Treasury still has vacancies.

I smell the next generation... (Below threshold)
epador:

I smell the next generation Sacha Baron Cohen movie and MTV Punk'd, only it'll only play on FOX.

BTW bobdog, its Brer' Rabbit, no' Bear.

Still try'n to figure out w... (Below threshold)
epador:

Still try'n to figure out what an LA skateboarder has to do with ACORN, but once the truth is out, I'm sure it will be a zinger.

The Rathke's have hundreds ... (Below threshold)
Molon Labe:

The Rathke's have hundreds of corporations. Census Bureau will just team up with the Community Organizers for Reform Now Association (CORNA) instead.

The two filmmakers had bett... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

The two filmmakers had better be careful. The MSM will be calling them racist for daring to even enter the offices of ACORN.

Unfortunately, your 3rd and... (Below threshold)
wolfwalker:

Unfortunately, your 3rd and 4th points apply only if ACORN files suit. If the legal action is restricted to the Maryland state prosecutor filing charges under the electronic-recording law, then ACORN has nothing to fear.

Let's hope ACORN is stupid enough to file suit...

One thing that has been lef... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

One thing that has been left out, JT, is that the filmmakers can claim to be journalists. That would put them in the clear. We all by now it does not require a degree from the Columbia School of Journalism to one. All one has to do is set up a blog and write things. That was proven during the Rathergate affair.

"...and sooner or later eve... (Below threshold)
Slagathor:

"...and sooner or later even the Obama Justice Department (which chose to drop a voter-intimidation case against the Black Panthers after they had won a conviction) will have to start answering questions why ACORN is NOT the subject of a RICO investigation."


Wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Hell hath no fury like a so... (Below threshold)
MPR:

Hell hath no fury like a social worker caught in the act. These workers have hit the lottery. They all have lawyers paid for by the tax payers they have been bilking for years. They will turn on ACORN unless ACORN pays them hush money in the form of severance pay or something. Make no mistake ACORN wants this to go away real fast. They will threaten and intimidate but, they have enough tax payer money to make it go away. I can't prove it but, Holder has probably already made a call to Maryland's AG office giving them their marching orders. With all the money that goes to all these liberal, social organizations this is only the tip of the iceberg. And this iceberg is the size of Iceland.

Well, I'll be plumb flummox... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Well, I'll be plumb flummoxed, Brer Epador. You right.

I just looked up the story. It was Brer Rabbit and Brer Fox, and it really was Brer Rabbit that got all stuck.

There has to be some statute of limitations, though. I hadn't read that story in almost 60 years. I remember Disney did a great cartoon on it when I was a kid. Songs of the South or something.

Crap. Now I'm going to be accused of being a racist.

I actually worked at an ACO... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

I actually worked at an ACORN office in OH for about six months. If the election was still far away, many days there wasn't much to do and we would just hang out, and often I had sex with many of the co-workers. It was good for a time, but ACORN usually tends to attract one general type of female (as seen in the video), so about six months and I needed something different. That Hannah Giles, though, what courage and intelligence she has (as well as physical attractiveness) -- it's a terrific example of the general contrast between a typical liberal vs conservative female.

Bummer for BO; he's waist d... (Below threshold)

Bummer for BO; he's waist deep in ACORN. And you're right, it does make you wonder why ACORN, if they've nothing to hide (!), aren't indeed thanking these film makers for exposing these "rogue" employees.

Oh, and do you have that link to the kids' legal fund? ;)

And Brer Rabbit was a trick... (Below threshold)

And Brer Rabbit was a trickster; he said one thing but meant another. He pretended to fawn at the feet of his so-called "betters," only to use their own tactics against them. It's a fitting title.

Bobdog - Don't you know tha... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Bobdog - Don't you know that only racists watch Disney cartoons? And you looked it up?!? Don't you know that only racists talk about facts?

One has to wonder how many ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

One has to wonder how many MORE tapes are still in the vault. ACORN can spin all they want about how many offices were visited and the pimp and his lady were sent on their way. The next question should then be "Why didn't those offices call the police?" Or is child prostitution/slavery okay?

GarandFan - It's not that w... (Below threshold)
jim m:

GarandFan - It's not that what the ACORN employees did was wrong. Everyone knows it is.

The real issue here (especially for the libs) is that the people who filmed this were racists who went out to entrap these poor ACORN workers. They are racist because they started with an assumption that the ACORN people might be doing something illegal. Sure they happened to be correct in that assumption, but by merely entertaining the idea that these ACORN workers might be less than angels dropped down from heaven makes the filmmakers racists.

It used to be that the expression went : "Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies."

Today it's, "Ask me no questions and I won't call you a racist!"

Holder, Holder. Paging Eric... (Below threshold)
914:

Holder, Holder. Paging Eric Holder. What does this jacass get paid for?

Oh thats right. Hes the "Gorelick" wall between the "colored" one and all things corrupt.

pfff.

I don't think it's just goi... (Below threshold)
metakid:

I don't think it's just going to be a trilogy. Maybe there are more films slated for a later release date. In any case, something should be done about ACORN, maybe an audit as some have suggested. http://www.newsy.com/videos/backed_into_acorner. It's these kinds of things that makes it really hard to trust such organizations.

I hope I'm not spoiling any... (Below threshold)
davidt:

I hope I'm not spoiling anything with this speculation, but I wonder if the filmmakers/investigators also visited ACORN offices posing as other types of criminals. Drug dealers, gambling, loan sharks, etc.

I wonder if the filmmake... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I wonder if the filmmakers/investigators also visited ACORN offices posing as other types of criminals.

There were some people who went there seeking to create phony voter registrations so they could steal elections...Oh wait, that was the Democratic Party. Never-mind.

davidtShhhhhhhh!</... (Below threshold)
914:

davidt

Shhhhhhhh!

One would think that after ... (Below threshold)
Stan25:

One would think that after three visits to the same outfit, albeit different offices, the outfit would get a clue and phone the network to be on the look out for this couple. From what I can see the people that staff ACORN, are a bunch of dolts that don't even have sense enough to come in out of the rain

Stan, the team isn't hittin... (Below threshold)
Jay Tea:

Stan, the team isn't hitting the offices any more. They hit a bunch of them (they aren't saying how many) then put together ALL the films before releasing the first one.

They've shown three so far, and there are hints that there is at least one more. And as long as they don't say how many they have stockpiled, ACORN rests on tenterhooks...

And what a wonderful place for them to be resting.

J.

Why dont they "Blackmail" O... (Below threshold)
914:

Why dont they "Blackmail" Obama and Holder with the Acorngate tapes?

Make them pay through the nose for them just like the colored myth is making us all pay up the yazoo for his failed economic ideology.

I seem to recall that at le... (Below threshold)
jwehman:

I seem to recall that at least one of the three videos released so far was filmed back in July.
So, yeah, ACORN officials might be calling regional offices and asking them some questions like "did you or anyone in your office answer questions of a pimp and hooker lately?" to be able to get ahead of the curve, but I'm guessing almost every office would answer, "Well, yes...we 'help out' people like that EVERY DAY"....

Why dont they "Blackmail... (Below threshold)
Paul_In_Houston:

Why dont they "Blackmail" Obama and Holder with the Acorngate tapes?

Make them pay through the nose for them just like the colored myth is making us all pay up the yazoo for his failed economic ideology.

27. Posted by 914 | September 14, 2009 12:35 PM.

Because, not everybody has the morals of the Obama team.

-

Because, not everybody h... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Because, not everybody has the morals of the Obama team.

No. Because you cannot blackmail someone who doesn't think there is anything wrong with concealing a child prostitution ring and protecting the international slave trade.

I can't resist quoting the ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I can't resist quoting the ever insightful troll Adrian Browne as this story broke.

Again with the ACORN nonsense?

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

Good luck getting any traction with that story.

Heh.

Good catch, Jeff :)... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Good catch, Jeff :)

Thanks Jeff! I was wonderi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Thanks Jeff! I was wondering why we haven't seen much of Adrian lately.

Interesting comment from O'... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Interesting comment from O'Keefe, when interviewed with Giles.

When asked "ACORN says you were kicked out of several of their offices".

O'Keefe smiles as he says "NONE OF THE ACORN OFFICES 'KICKED US OUT'"

If this isn't a red flag for ACORN, I don't know what will get their attention.

"If this isn't a red flag f... (Below threshold)
914:

"If this isn't a red flag for ACORN, I don't know what will get their attention."

Oak wilt.

#3What the hell is... (Below threshold)
914:

#3

What the hell is a tar baby?

Trent Lotts lovechild?

<a href="http://en.wikipedi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tar_baby

You young guys sure got an abbreviated education.

Ha haSo Obamas a p... (Below threshold)
914:

Ha ha

So Obamas a pitch man for flypaper now?

"The Association of Communi... (Below threshold)
SpeakupAmerica:

"The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has repeatedly
and deliberately engaged in systemic fraud. Both structurally and operationally, ACORN
hides behind a paper wall of nonprofit corporate protections to conceal a criminal
conspiracy on the part of its directors, to launder federal money in order to pursue a
partisan political agenda and to manipulate the American electorate.......First, ACORN has evaded taxes, obstructed justice, engaged in self dealing, and aided and abetted a cover-up of embezzlement .....Second, ACORN has committed investment fraud, deprived the public of its right to honest services, and engaged in a racketeering enterprise affecting interstate
commerce.....Third, ACORN has committed a conspiracy to defraud the United States by using
taxpayer funds for partisan political activities.....Fourth, ACORN has submitted false filings to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Labor, in addition to violating the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)...Fifth, ACORN falsified and concealed facts concerning an illegal transaction between related parties in violation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA)...."

Staff Report
U.S. House of Representatives
111th Congress
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
July 23, 2009

Per President Obama's Healthcare speech last week, "Well, the time for bickering is over. The time for games has passed. Now is the season for action." as well as his plan for paying by reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid.

Why dont we start by cutting all funds for organizations "engaged in systemic fraud"

Why are none of the "main street media" not covering this or the ACORN videos? Why has Congress and the Senate not acted on this? Please write your Congressman and Senator as well as get the word out demanding answers for why they are still receiving money.

Also, per an administration spokesman regarding President Obamas Speech to Students, "The goal of the speech and the lesson plans is to challenge students to work hard, stay in school and dramatically reduce the dropout rate. This isn't a policy speech. It's a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school."

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf

Really? I wrote my representatives how this question is not a political question (granted they stated not policy but was a MAJOR concern from the parents that ACTUALLY read the Lesson Plans,

"Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important? "

I will answer it, because it is up to us to make sure they are doing their job! If our Congressmen/women as well as Senators continue to give money to organizations that the House of Representatives KNOWS is engaged in systemic fraud, evaded taxes, cover-up embezzlement, committed conspiracy to defraud, racketeering, submitting false fillings to the IRS, and so forth, need to be VOTED OUT ON THE NEXT ELECTION!

http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/media/pdfs/20090723ACORNReport.pdf

The stink on barry o is rea... (Below threshold)
moseby:

The stink on barry o is really starting to stick.

Hence the Tar Baby referenc... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Hence the Tar Baby reference...

I will pray that acorn LOSE... (Below threshold)

I will pray that acorn LOSES the suit. This has NOTHING do with "recording" laws being broken. This has to do with the simple fact that acorn was CAUGHT and EXPOSED for the liars that they are and what do liars do as usual? They RAIL. Liar spelled backwards is Rail.

That's all fine for the NWO freaks installing cameras on street poles everywhere and them wanting to vaccinate people with RFID chips and never mind the people screaming violation and privacy. But when the same recording tactics are used on the freaks, they make a big circus out of it and cry wolf.

See the hypocrisy. You can't have it both ways. The TRUTH ALWAYS comes out in the end. Tit for tat, butter for fat.




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