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Another Distortion and Attempt to Defend ACORN by Attacking the Messenger

Geez, this one wasn't even thinly disguised. I don't know how often Media Matters does this kind of thing because I almost never read them, but I found a link to one of their posts at Digg and clicked on it because the title (Will Fox News hold Beck to its Dan Rather standard?) made me curious.

Here is the relevant part of the post by Jamison Foser:

Fox News' Glenn Beck recently aired a video indicating that an ACORN employee shot and killed her husband, without first bothering to verify whether the husband is, in fact, dead. He isn't. The video is, in other words, a fraud. But that didn't stop Beck from calling it evidence of "murder" and perhaps even "premeditated murder." Of a person who is still alive.

Sean Hannity aired it, too.

Here's a bunch of Fox News "reporters" who are outraged about the murder. Which didn't happen. Because the guy is still alive:

Got that? Beck was being deceptive because he said the guy was dead. And that the woman committed murder. Possibly premeditated murder! The problem is, I saw that segment of Beck and I remembered that after showing the video, Beck questioned whether or not the husband was even dead. Media Matters posted the video though, so I wondered if I had misunderstood what Beck had said. So I watched the following video posted by Foser at Media Matters:

When I watched the video Media Matters ran I immediately knew what was up because they chopped Beck's commentary to bits and curiously left out the part of it that completely contradicts their claim. I looked for the Beck video at YouTube to make sure I was not misremembering his commentary and here is a transcript of what I found.
Glenn Beck: This is twisted, bizarre, macabre. I mean, is this theater? I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a jury. Um, but gosh even to me it seems like this is a potential admission of murder and the way she was describing doing some groundwork beforehand, you know so everyone in town knew exactly what was going on, a case might be made for premeditated murder. In fairness, I don't understand people who stay in abusive relationships. I don't. I get it. I get it. And maybe a jury might conclude that it was justifiable homicide. I don't know but we haven't been even able to confirm from the state of California whether Theresa's husband from ten years ago was killed. Or if he's dead. Or if she even had a husband. Did she make the story up? I don't know. Nobody is asking questions. See if the mainstream media will follow this one. This is shocking. It raises serious questions about what is going on inside of ACORN.
I italicized the portion of the commentary Media Matters provided to their readers in the mishmash video they put together. The parts they omitted are not italicized. I put in bold the part of Beck's comments that directly contradict Media Matters post. It is not like the comments were made in a different Beck show, or even in a different segment of Beck's show. They were part of the same paragraph if you look at the commentary in written transcript. And the pieces they chose to include in their video came from just before and right after the part where Beck questioned if the husband was dead. There is NO WAY that Media Matters could have seen Beck's commentary and not known he questioned whether or not the husband was even dead. No way. I would have argued that they could not have been any more deceitful in the way they presented the material, but I would have been wrong. The ridiculousness of the post continues.

After showing the video that is chopped off before Beck questions whether or not the husband is still alive (which obviously negates the basis of their attack on Beck), Foser posted a bunch of commentary from Fox News people regarding Dan Rather and the fake Bush memos. Then Foser asks:

Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape in order to portray an ACORN employee as a murderer? Beck has, after all, been pretty clear that he is trying to bring ACORN down.
Again, watch the unedited video of Beck's segment, the one Media Matters didn't cut off in midstream, or read the transcript provided above. Beck asked plenty of questions, including whether or not the man was still alive. But Foser wrote "Any chance we'll see this level of outrage directed at Glenn Beck for unquestioningly airing an apparently fraudulent tape in order to portray an ACORN employee as a murderer?" Does he think his readers are not smart enough to go find the unedited video.

I know my readers understand the difference between the nature of the ACORN video and the Rathergate documents, but for those at Media Matters I'll explain. The ACORN video is real. Whether or not the woman was telling the truth when she claimed to have shot her husband has nothing to do with the authenticity of the video itself unless Foser is claiming James O'Keefe hired the woman to make up some lines and deliver them on camera. Or maybe if it was butchered the way Media Matters did Glenn Beck's commentary video. If neither of those things happened then how is the ACORN video "apparently fraudulent"? The woman may be a liar, but if she is indeed an employee of ACORN (which I don't believe has been disputed), she was caught on camera, in an ACORN office, giving advice to someone claiming to be a pimp trying to open a brothel of underage illegal immigrant girls about how to hide the true nature of his business in order and evade taxes and be eligible for assistance. Glenn Beck was shocked by the statements from the ACORN employee, in an ACORN office, and asked a series of questions, including one about her claims about shooting her husband.

Is the argument that everything is cool if the woman was lying about killing her husband? I have heard that one floating around -- that if the woman's husband is not dead then the tapes are fake or fraudulent or irrelevant. I would argue that it is much worse if ACORN hired a woman who would lie to people coming into their office about killing her husband, than if they hired a woman who (possibly in self defense) shot and killed her husband.

Regarding the Dan Rather comparison -- do I really, seriously, have to explain how that is different from supposedly seasoned professionals at CBS news and 60 Minutes putting on the air documents that were supposedly 30 years old, but were obviously produced with a relatively recent version of a Word processing program (superscript and all)? I won't get into all the ways CBS failed to do due diligence on the documents that were so obviously inauthentic, but it is interesting that those on the left are comparing the ACORN video to the Rathergate docs in an effort to save ACORN's bacon, or to save their President who has a history with ACORN. To me it sounds like desperate, grabbing at straws, how the heck are we gonna spin this one, crazy talk.

For those who would like to see the unedited version of Beck's commentary in full, here is the video:

Update: See Ed Morrisey's take on Media Matters' dishonesty and his commentary on their comparison of the ACORN video to the Rathergate documents.

Update II: Ed Driscoll has more, including other recent Media Matters misconduct and the difference between them and the MRC.


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Comments (60)

Well of course they had to ... (Below threshold)
914:

Well of course they had to edit Glen because of time constraints....And because they're RACISTS!

Jim,That is called... (Below threshold)
914:

Jim,

That is called slander.

Hey jim - we all know it's ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey jim - we all know it's BULLSHIT. You know, or ought to know, it's BULLSHIT. So why not drag your faggoty little ass off and play with your butt buddies over at Daily Kos. You're really getting tiresome. So please do us all a really big big favor jimmy AND FUCK OFF!

O/T but a hppy note. Rasmu... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

O/T but a hppy note. Rasmussen poll today says that only 12% believe that opposition to ObamaCare is RACIST! How does it feel to be in the 12% jimmy?

Jimmy go play with your fel... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Jimmy go play with your fellow pedophile's over at KOS. F_ _k them up kay?

With apologies to the movie... (Below threshold)
Joe Miller:

With apologies to the movie Gung Ho--

I like Jim. He makes me laugh.

jim - "I'm not saying t... (Below threshold)
Marc:

jim - "I'm not saying that he did. In fact I believe that he didn't. However, I don't know because the facts aren't all in."

Ok smart guy, you tell us what facts you have at hand. You know the ones that make this allegation close to being believable.

You claim all the facts aren't in which implies you have seem some that are "in."

And BTW, don't quote anything from the link you posted, it clearly displays a disclaimer that the site is satire and not to be taken seriously.

And if you didn't catch the meaning behind that it protects the asswipes that own the site from slander lawsuits.

Jim - you are totally disgu... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

Jim - you are totally disgusting. Did you mention any of your crimes? Didn't you try to murder a teacher who gave you a bad grade? Aren't you the one who put a pipe bomb under the car of a local sheriff?
Am I mistaken or can you clarify that for me.
See what totally unfounded accusations sound like? It's not quite as funny when it's against you, is it?
Just so everyone knows, I made up the murder attempt and also the pipe bombing to give an example of how devastating outright lies can damage not only someones reputation, but also their lives. Jim, you should be totally ashamed of yourself.
Madalyn

JimGet back where ... (Below threshold)
914:

Jim

Get back where you belong on the meth skank thread. You two were made for each other.

Jim,Have you ever re... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Jim,
Have you ever responded to the allegation that you would perform fellatio on President Obama whilst abusing an ACORN abetted underage sex slave given half a chance?

Wait a minute?? The meth sk... (Below threshold)
914:

Wait a minute?? The meth skank is on this thread too? Ok Jim. you can stay.

They are just following the... (Below threshold)
Conservachef:

They are just following the Michael Moore tactic of careful agenda-driven editing. (aka editing out the stuff that contradicts their viewpoint.) Moore did it to Charlton Heston in his "documentary" Columbine movie.

Although after consideration, I recall that Moore did a worse job- he patched together clips from entirely different venues & speeches. At least Media Matters used the same clip.

Jim's crazy post doesn't ma... (Below threshold)
Lorie Byrd:

Jim's crazy post doesn't make any sense in the context of this post, or does it? One of the tactics of those on the left these days is to change the subject away from stuff like ACORN that even they can't defend. Their favorite change of subject topic? Birthers. Calls for Obama to present the birth certificate,etc. and Jim's post is the way they do it.

Has nothing to do with Media Matters outright lying about what Beck said and doctoring video in a way to delete the portion of it that negates their argument and shows them to have lied. Nothing to do with ACORN employees all across the country telling someone who strolls into their office how to hide a business that deals in underage prostitutes. Nope, just smoke and mirrors. If they won't comment on the topic of the thread, then ignore them.

Fish meet barrel.R... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Fish meet barrel.

Reality - incoming!

If you thought the first three undercover videos in Baltimore, DC, and Brooklyn that implicated ACORN were bad, just you wait. You haven't seen anything yet. The one in San Bernadino is even more shocking and includes an admission of murder. Here's part 1 from Big Government:

Kim Priestap, September 15, 2009.

More fish:<blockquote... (Below threshold)
Steve:

More fish:

Fox News runs with San Bernardino ACORN video without needed fact check September 16, 2009 7:17 pm ET -- 35 Comments

On September 15 and 16, Fox News devoted significant programming to conservative filmmaker James O'Keefe and TownHall.com columnist Hannah Giles' video of their interactions with an ACORN worker, who claimed she murdered her husband and gave advice on how to run a brothel, but stated after the video was released that she had merely been attempting to "shock them as much as they were shocking me." In running with the video, Fox News hosts frequently promoted the fake claim that the ACORN employee killed her husband without fact checking the allegation or indicating that they had contacted ACORN for a response.

here's the link to the video.

"If you thought the first t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"If you thought the first three undercover videos in Baltimore, DC, and Brooklyn that implicated ACORN were bad, just you wait. You haven't seen anything yet. The one in San Bernadino is even more shocking and includes an admission of murder."

Yeah, the skank said she set up an alibi with 'domestic violence' advocates and then shot her husband.

AND?

"What? Come on guys, can't ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"What? Come on guys, can't you take a joke?"

That one was thrown out of the lib play book some time ago. Would say more, you're not worth it.

Jim, just shut up already.<... (Below threshold)
914:

Jim, just shut up already.

C'mon Jim:1. You'v... (Below threshold)

C'mon Jim:

1. You've got a bad hand
2. Everybody can see you've got a bad hand.
3. Throw it in. You're betting on a loser.

Oh, and Stevie, before you ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Oh, and Stevie, before you wear your fingers out:

1) They were attempting to verify her claim. But you don't just waltz into a police station and ask for a rap sheet to be run on someone so that you can look at it.
2) How many local papers even run a domestic violence incident on page 1 anymore?
3) Pretty hard to research quicky when the person gives vague indications of where and when something occurred.
4) How often do you discuss murder with the employee of a company where you're doing business.
5) They made clear that they were still researching her claim of murder.
6) As for contacting ACORN - uh, what was the purpose of their contact with ACORN in the first place? OR are you that dense and unclear on the concept?

Hey folks, I think it final... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey folks, I think it finally time we BOYCOTT any further comments from jim.

Yes, and I think GLEN shoul... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes, and I think GLEN should consider filing slander and stalking charges against him too. He's clearly mentally disturbed and obsessed.

jim - "It's a shame you... (Below threshold)
Marc:

jim - "It's a shame you guys aren't interested in finding out for sure what really happened,"

The shame is you haven't posted the facts as you know them. Not that you have any of course.

And really, you're posting a link to media splatters in a thread that clearly shows what a bunch of lying bastards they are.

Really, you're doing that?

And BTW, considering you seem to have a bit of a comical side and this is a joking matter, I admit I do also.

jim, you're a lying, two-faced pole-smoker.

I jest of course. He-He-He-HE!

" I mean, I think he's a je... (Below threshold)
914:

" I mean, I think he's a jerk, but that doesn't make him a freakish maniac."

That is how you are coming across.

GarandFan, who's Jim?... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

GarandFan, who's Jim?

Which "Glenn Beck® persona ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Which "Glenn Beck® persona are you discussing?

1. The Comedy Tour Glenn Beck®

2. Real Patriot/Historian Glenn Beck®

3. Curmudgeon Glenn Beck®

4. Ready-to-Snap Glenn Beck®

Adrian and Stevie never see... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Adrian and Stevie never seem to get around to the thread at hand. That Media Matters DOCTORED A TAPE.

No worries about ETHICS, no worries about INTEGRITY.

Let's change the topic. Ain't playing anymore.
jim's on IGNORE mode as are Adrian and Stevie.

So I'm showing you... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
So I'm showing you all what it's like when it's switched around.

Do you really think that's what you are showing us? In reality you're showing us how little weight to give everything else you post.

And is more likely... (Below threshold)
jim:

And is more likely

Jim, how could you say such... (Below threshold)
Ashley Todd:

Jim, how could you say such things about The Great And Powerful Glenn Beck? The Great And Powerful Glenn Beck would never rape and murder a young girl. Would he?


I heart Marc.
depp=true
notiz=I heart disemvowelment, Heh

GarandFan wrote:<i... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

GarandFan wrote:

Hey folks, I think it finally time we BOYCOTT any further comments from jim.

Hear, hear. He posts here because he's not getting enough attention at home. Maybe he broke his arm and it's in a cast or something.

Okay guys, I'm hon... (Below threshold)
Okay guys, I'm honestly just having a bit of offensive fun here

Jim, we all knew you were trying to change the subject, so there's no need to apologize. We understand that you lefties have taken some big hits lately, what with one of your main fundraising organizations slowly imploding and all, so of course you would prefer to get everyone talking about something else, rather than the dead, stinking elephant carcass in the living room. It's natural.

All,The troll is jus... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

All,
The troll is just trying to gin up g00gle hits for his slander.
The mods should consider removing/editing his comments. And since the troll persists in doing this in other threads, they should consider bringing out the Hammer.
(shrug)
Or not. It's an sad insight into the only pathetic 'defence' the Left has on this subject.

As an aside, here's <a href... (Below threshold)
Marc:

As an aside, here's more horse-shit from "media splatters".

I always have a bit of a chuckle by the numbnuts who use the term "faux-news" and think nothing of using media splatters as source material.

They pump out more BS and outright lies each month than Fox does in a month of Sundays.

The troll is just ... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:
The troll is just trying to gin up g00gle hits for his slander. The mods should consider removing/editing his comments

Agreed. It's called 'googling bombing'.

I'm not saying that h... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

I'm not saying that he did. In fact I believe that he didn't. However, I don't know because the facts aren't all in. And one of the main problems with getting the facts, is Glenn Beck's continued silence on this issue.

Jim - Please IMMEDIATELY provide any FACTS you currently have regarding this statement. You obviously have some, so fess up - C'mon buddy. Show all of us what a p*ssy you really are. You bigoted piece of crap.
Madalyn
I don't usually talk like this, but when I see sh*t like you are spewing, you bring out the worst in EVERYBODY!

Jim re post 41 - Why do you... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

Jim re post 41 - Why do you idiots consistently lie about Sarah? She NEVER said she could see Russia from her window, or porch which has been portrayed by Tina Fey. What she said was (I cannot quote exactly but I think you will be able to see the difference) "In some parts of my state you can see Russia". Big difference between my window and some parts of my state. Do you have any idea how much you p*ss off people when you deliberately tell lies? Aren't you a better person than that? Would your mother be proud of you? I think not. I pity you for recognizing the truth but are not willing to stick with it, and instead consistently perpetuate lies.
Madalyn

It would appear that Mr. Fr... (Below threshold)
ARichter:

It would appear that Mr. Froser expects us to operate under the assumption that all ACORN workers are lying and that we're retarded for believing a word they say.

You can't have it both ways Mr. Froser, either we're stupid to have believed them because they are always lying and EVEYONE knows it, or you are being disingenuous in your editorial.

Jim - you said "all the fac... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

Jim - you said "all the facts aren't in". That means you have SOME facts, but not all. I am saying you should provide the facts that you do have. It's not that hard to understand. If you can't handle being questioned, don't throw out lies and expect people not to be upset when you laughingly say "just kidding". What you said was that some facts were known to you, but not all. I am asking you to provide those facts.
We all know Glenn Beck did NOT rape OR murder anyone at anytime. That is a given. But, you put yourself in a position of having to defend statements you made. Next time be more careful.
Madalyn
depp=true
noiiz=Quit falling for his bait

Jim,The woman SAID... (Below threshold)
Sue:

Jim,

The woman SAID SHE KILLED HER HUSBAND. Beck simply aired the video and questioned it.

Beck NEVER said that he raped and killed a woman in 1990.

If you can't see the difference you're too dumb to be using the internet.

This is the same as Joe the plumber thing. In order to cover Obama's butt they had to make it all about the plumber. The focus couldn't be on Obama saying he believed in redistributing the wealth.

Here the only difference is that they are trying to cover Acorn's butt.

I must confess..ji... (Below threshold)
914:

I must confess..

jim sure makes a good asshole,.

To me, it looks like Jim ha... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

To me, it looks like Jim has been demonstrating the level of his intelligence. In this case, I think I would have advised him to refrain from doing what's he's chosen to do, but this was his decision to make.

What he doesn't realize is ... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

What he doesn't realize is that the same insane anger that surges through me every time I see that stupid "rape and murder" post on 50 forking blogs, is the same anger that runs through me every time someone describes anyone who disagree's with the Obama Administration as a Racist!

And I hear an interview today from a discrimination lawyer, OMG did this guy piss me off! The left has absolutely NO PROBLEM with racism, what with being complete racists themselves. What they have a problem with is negative racism; but when it comes to handouts you MUST automatically capitulate to the racist "discrimination" lawyer or you are called a racist and you have absolutely no recourse or way to counter the argument.

Its the same damn thing with that glenn beck bullshit. Not one of us has any way to really defend that statement as it is completely false.

And they are trying to liken that statement to playing Van Jones' own comments and reading what he has written or been quoted as saying.

Now they want to liken that completely false, non reality based statement with a Video of people helping child slavers at ACORN offices. There is Proof in the damn video! Where is a shred of evidence against Beck? (There isn't any because it is from a "satire" site)

As for the "birther" argument, I could care less, the President is bad for the US whether he is legally in that position or not. BUT you cannot dismiss the claims about his birth certificate the same as we do about Glenn Beck. Where as there is no way to produce proof for the charges of rape and murder, all the President has to do is release the actual copy of his birth certificate. Why the Hell isn't it required by law anyway? He could shut us all the hell up but he wont, because being able to call people "Birthers" is an easy way to automatically discredit his opposition (just like the race card).

One of the first things the Republican Congress needs to do in 2011 is force a bill requiring anyone running for President to produce an Original State Certified Birth Certificate. This includes incumbants who did not produce one the first time around.

Obama will veto it, but then Congress will override the veto. Also it will make him look that much more suspicious if he shoots down that bill, making his numbers slip even further in 2012.

Screw Media Matters, and Screw trolls who post garbage rather than debate the facts of the case at hand.

Legislation specifically ta... (Below threshold)
Hilary:

Legislation specifically targeting one particular group or one particular person is called a "bill of attainder" and it's expressly prohibited in our Constitution. If this is the sort of thing you support you are NOT a patriot.

You need to be a natural Bo... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

You need to be a natural Born citizen to be POTUS, A birth certificate is that prof. When I was in the Navy and need to get a TS/SCI Clearance I had to show birth certificate and naturalization paper work. They then did a background check of 15 years. I think that that we do the same due diligence for POTUS

Now he would have derived his US Citizenship from his mother at birth, unless his mother did something strange like renouncing her citizenship or her sons.

The funny part of this who... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

The funny part of this whole thing is we have an Organization where 4 different offices are willing to:
1. Help you defraud the government
2. Set up a brothel using underage children
3, Help you traffic in international sex slavery

But we need to go after Fox news because the Acron person with out prompting lies about committing murder. I mean that just shows the character of *or lack there of) the organization that would hire such people. I mean women was saying this to show the pimp and whore that she was the bigger smarter criminal in the room. I am surprise we not seen gang sign flashed or some Jail house ink yet.


Well, I can see why some pe... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Well, I can see why some people feel comfortable with adopting MediaMatters' approach. MM carefully selects one small portion of a much larger issue, lies about it and focuses solely on that lie, thereby relieving the reader of the burden and drudgery of thinking about the actual subject.

" Legislation specifically ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

" Legislation specifically targeting one particular group or one particular person is called a "bill of attainder" and it's expressly prohibited in our Constitution. "

You mean like 'Affirmative Action' and 'minority set-aside' contracts? Special tax-breaks for 'women-owned businesses'?

We've been giving a leg up to specific groups for decades now. Most people were afraid to say boo out of fear of being called 'racist' or 'sexist' or whatever.
I think many more people don't care about being called those names anymore.

So farewell to all my comme... (Below threshold)
jim:

So farewell to all my comments eh?

Jim,If bullshit wa... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Jim,

If bullshit was money you'd be a billionaire.

Nice Job Lorie...<a href="h... (Below threshold)

Nice Job Lorie...You're a hit over at Hot Air too!

@Adrian Browne, we're discu... (Below threshold)

@Adrian Browne, we're discussing:
"I've got more readers, watchers, and listeners than ABC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC combined Glenn Beck." Game. Set. Match.

@ Les, completely correct s... (Below threshold)

@ Les, completely correct sir. The racism tag doesn't hurt anymore. We now have an almost Survivor-like Immunity necklace against it due to the cry-wolf syndrome the left and minorities have.

Media Matters is catering t... (Below threshold)
myna:

Media Matters is catering to their idiot and lazy audience. What else could it be? Do these people haven't heard of fact checking?

Great job, Lorie.A... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Great job, Lorie.

Are they so stupid as to believe that no one would cross check them?

Typical Red misdirection ef... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Typical Red misdirection effort, to shift the subject from ACORN in this case.

And in any case, Beck wasn't saying that Kaelke had killed her husband. He was reporting - reporting, mind you - her statement that she had killed her husband. Not the same thing at all.

She did in fact claim to have killed her husband; whether she did or not is another question. But the whole issue is beside the point, which is that ACORN, a key Democrat organization - is corrupt to the core.

I remember that Glenn was a... (Below threshold)

I remember that Glenn was a 100% honest in what he said. He did not jump to conclusions. He definitely said he did not want to conclude that she was a murderer, because he didn't know whether she had a husband or not, and, if so, whether he had been murdered. He simply thought it was whacky for her to be saying this.

Media Mattress--in bed with... (Below threshold)
timekeeper:

Media Mattress--in bed with the Democratic Party.

"In running with the video,... (Below threshold)
Brucio:

"In running with the video, Fox News hosts frequently promoted the fake claim"

I'm no grammar expert, but it sure sounds like Media Matters would like you to parse that sentence to mean that it was the Fox News hosts who made the "fake claim."

BTW, that was a "wizbang" report!!

I checked out the Media Mat... (Below threshold)
holygoat:

I checked out the Media Matters page to see what they had to say when called out on this. No comments to that effect so I signed up for an account to be the first, but lo and behold, they've closed comments for that entry. I wonder why...




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