According to the scientists at the forefront of the climate change dogma, things aren't going as predicted. From New Scientist:
Forecasts of climate change are about to go seriously out of kilter. One of the world's top climate modellers said Thursday we could be about to enter one or even two decades during which temperatures cool."People will say this is global warming disappearing," he told more than 1500 of the world's top climate scientists gathering in Geneva at the UN's World Climate Conference.
"I am not one of the sceptics," insisted Mojib Latif of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University, Germany. "However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it."
Few climate scientists go as far as Latif, an author for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But more and more agree that the short-term prognosis for climate change is much less certain than once thought.
...Latif predicted that in the next few years a natural cooling trend would dominate over warming caused by humans. The cooling would be down to cyclical changes to ocean currents and temperatures in the North Atlantic, a feature known as the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO).
Breaking with climate-change orthodoxy, he said NAO cycles were probably responsible for some of the strong global warming seen in the past three decades. "But how much? The jury is still out," he told the conference. The NAO is now moving into a colder phase.
In fact the globe has been cooling since the peak temperatures reached in 1998, and now the IPCC has realized that their models don't measure the observed decline and the coming declines.






Comments (14)
Color me SHOCKED!I... (Below threshold)1. Posted by JustRuss | September 21, 2009 1:29 AM | Score: 6 (12 votes cast)
Color me SHOCKED!
I think I and many others have been saying for years now that the idiots claiming Global Warming couldn't read a thermometer. And now to have a natural cycle (seriously? I think I heard that argument too) cause both the warming and the cooling?
Humans are too insignificant to affect the entire planet at this point. If you believe in Evolution, then think of the Planet as one huge organism. It adjusts itself accordingly along with stimuli.
Thank you Gaia
1. Posted by JustRuss | September 21, 2009 1:29 AM |
Score: 6 (12 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 01:29
2. Posted by hcddbz | September 21, 2009 2:52 AM | Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
The oceans cover 75% of the planet
We are also now going through cycle of decreased sun sport activity.
Who would have thought that they may play a more significant role in global climate than evil Man kind.
Things that make you go first year science.
But if you think that how do you pass bills to save the planet by taxing CO2.
2. Posted by hcddbz | September 21, 2009 2:52 AM |
Score: 7 (11 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 02:52
3. Posted by Joe | September 21, 2009 4:32 AM | Score: 7 (13 votes cast)
Once again the Global warming crowd forgets to look at the facts. the Planet has been cooling for the past ten years!
Check the facts people..
Weather,com reported this just a few days ago.
There is the inconvenient truth for you.
I once bought into the Global warming lie.
I wonder why Al Gore and his Crony's want to shove this down down our necks >? That might be the real question don't you think ?
3. Posted by Joe | September 21, 2009 4:32 AM |
Score: 7 (13 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 04:32
4. Posted by E Bullerwell | September 21, 2009 5:53 AM | Score: -9 (17 votes cast)
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090921/FEATURES/909210311
For more than 2,000 years, a natural wobble in Earth's axis has caused the Arctic region to move farther away from the sun during the region's summer, reducing the amount of solar radiation it receives. The Arctic is now 600,000 miles farther from the sun than it was in A.D. 1, and temperatures there should have fallen a little more than 1 degree Fahrenheit since then.
Instead, the region has warmed 2.2 degrees since 1900 alone, and the decade from 1998 to 2008 was the warmest in two millenniums, according to a team headed by climatologist Darrell S. Kaufman of Northern Arizona University.
Not only was the last half-century the warmest of the last 2,000 years, "but it reversed the long-term, millennial-scale trend toward cooler temperatures," Kaufman said.
4. Posted by E Bullerwell | September 21, 2009 5:53 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2009 05:53
5. Posted by Bustor@seowonders | September 21, 2009 7:03 AM | Score: -9 (11 votes cast)
The earth is a full and complete "living" organism and regardless of whether it is cooling or warming up what we need to stress on is that we have a role to play.
If we accept that contrary to earth cooling up as opposed to the theory that it was warming during this time does it give us an easy hand in going with the pollution that we cause,accumulate garbage piles or throw it in the oceans.
We have to be concerned if it starts snowing in Sahara desert while our snow capped mountains don't get any.This means that some places are getting cooler and some warmer,shifting of deserts,rain receiving areas,flooding,dry areas and what not!!
5. Posted by Bustor@seowonders | September 21, 2009 7:03 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2009 07:03
6. Posted by Falze | September 21, 2009 7:36 AM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
"However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it."
Good grief - you mean they have to 'act like scientists'?!
6. Posted by Falze | September 21, 2009 7:36 AM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 07:36
7. Posted by Weegie | September 21, 2009 8:12 AM | Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Can't these scientists just admit that their pet theory of human-caused global warming just might not be true?
Can't they just resign themselves to the tenets of the scientific method and let facts and data drive the theories, rather than being beholden to the theory and decry the data that contradicts it?
The fact is that there has not been any real discussion about this theory; the scientists who disagree with the man-made warming belief are disparaged as cranks and tools of industry, as if the data were somehow a conspiracy.
Beware of scientists who try to tell you to disregard the data, just have faith in the theory.
7. Posted by Weegie | September 21, 2009 8:12 AM |
Score: 8 (8 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 08:12
8. Posted by Paul_In_Houston | September 21, 2009 8:32 AM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
What is the time-line of data used by their models?
Let's try for some perspective, time-wise.
For those comfortable with the metric (S.I.) system, imagine a line about 4.6 kilometers long (a bit under 3 miles). That would represent the 4.6 billion year age of the Earth at 1,000,000 years/meter; 1 mm (about the thickness of a paper clip) would represent a THOUSAND years.
That line would span the downtown area of quite a few large cities, with some to spare. Here in Houston, the downtown streets are 16 to the mile, making their spacing about 100 meters. Thus, that line would be about 46 blocks.
I live about three miles west of some of Houston's major downtown buildings, so it's very easy for me to visualize that line.
The reign of the dinosaurs ended around 65 million years ago (65 meters, about 2/3 of a city block down that line from today).
The first of our ancestors verging on intelligence may have emerged from 2 to 4 million years ago (2 to 4 meters, say 6.5 to 13 feet; your living room could be around 4 meters in one of its' dimensions).
What we call "modern" man may go back 40,000 years or so (40 mm, TWO FINGER-WIDTHS on that line).
Written history goes back 6000 years (six millimeters, 1/4 inch on that line).
Fahrenheit's thermometer is around 300 years old ( 0.3 mm, you're approaching the thickness of a business card now, or the diameter of a grain of salt).
The portion of that time-line during which precise temperature measurements were recorded would be literally microscopic.
And from that tiny portion, we dare to make really long range climate predictions, and mandate actions based on them? And decide to totally destroy our economy because of them?
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8. Posted by Paul_In_Houston | September 21, 2009 8:32 AM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 08:32
9. Posted by Ed Colletta | September 21, 2009 8:59 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
#4
Kaufman's statements may be based on an invalid reconstruction.
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7005
9. Posted by Ed Colletta | September 21, 2009 8:59 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2009 08:59
10. Posted by Les Nessman | September 21, 2009 9:31 AM | Score: 5 (5 votes cast)
" "However, we have to ask the nasty questions ourselves or other people will do it."
Good grief - you mean they have to 'act like scientists'?!
6. Posted by Falze "
Yeah, that line caught my eye too. It's not the type of thing an objective scientist would say. It's they type of thing a Religionist or Partisan would say.
Why are basic questions about this theory "nasty", Mr. Latif? Unless you are a true-believer who is offended that anyone dare question your religion, these are just questions that should be asked by any Real Scientist.
10. Posted by Les Nessman | September 21, 2009 9:31 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2009 09:31
11. Posted by GarandFan | September 21, 2009 11:32 AM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
Maybe we should all ask Al what he thinks. Al knows everything.
11. Posted by GarandFan | September 21, 2009 11:32 AM |
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Posted on September 21, 2009 11:32
12. Posted by Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | September 21, 2009 2:16 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Butterwell, Kaufmann did not know what he was talking about. It was warmer during the 1500's than it is now. Also, it was warmer 1000 years ago when Vikings settled in Greenland. Since no one was keeping track of climatic events during these times and we only have indirect evidence on one side or the other. I know this. When someone says it is settled science, they are usually full of shit.
12. Posted by Zelsdorf Ragshaft III | September 21, 2009 2:16 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 14:16
13. Posted by Flu-Bird | September 21, 2009 3:02 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Time to take away AL GORES two undeserved awards send those judges to the spice mines of kessel,elba II or the devils asteroid and sue the pants of the green freaks from GREENPEACE for their stupid protests and fruadulent ads
13. Posted by Flu-Bird | September 21, 2009 3:02 PM |
Score: -1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on September 21, 2009 15:02
14. Posted by Hugh Grady | September 22, 2009 4:54 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
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14. Posted by Hugh Grady | September 22, 2009 4:54 PM |
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Posted on September 22, 2009 16:54