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Is Glenn Beck Right?

Everyone, it seems, is all atwitter with Glenn Beck saying that, in some ways, the country would have been worse off had John McCain been elected.

I didn't see the interview, but being a bit of a contrarian thinker, I immediately started to consider ways in which Beck might be right.

On a lot of key issues, McCain and Obama weren't really that different. Both tend to kowtow to the left on occasion, but with Obama it's clear that it's a quid pro quo arrangement. With McCain, it seems more like a desire to be liked. So on some issues, there really wouldn't have been much difference.

But I think I see what Beck might have been saying. With McCain, we probably would have seen a continuation of a lot of the Bush policies that were -- in a word -- wrong. And a lot of people who backed McCain (or, more accurately, backed Palin and opposed Obama) would have felt a certain obligation to stand by him and back his moves out of a sense of "you dance with them that brung you."

With Obama, he's trying way too much, way too fast. He's pushing hard for a very radical agenda. And while some people back parts of it, very few agree with all of it. (Hell, I don't think even Obama backs all of it -- some of it he's obligated to push for, some of it he's abdicated to the Congressional leadership.) And every day, it seems, he pushes yet another button in another group of the electorate, finding their breaking point.

So he has to back off from each in turn. He has to throw another group or idea or plan under that monster truck that replaced his bus. (Rumor has it he's trying to borrow the space shuttle crawlertransporter from NASA when the pile under the monster truck gets too big.)

The best analogy that comes to mind is a band-aid. Electing McCain would have been the equivalent of slowly pulling it off, bit by bit, hoping to minimize the pain. Obama, on the other hand, is the sudden shock of just yanking it off and getting it over with.

Had McCain been elected, things would have continued to decline at a nice, slow, comfortable, gradual pace. But with Obama, it's getting so bad so fast that the chances of enough Americans waking up to the reality of the situation and doing something about it in short order are much better.

Anyway, like I said, I didn't see Beck's statement. But in the above respect, he very well might be right.

And despite what Obama's cabinet secretary said, we aren't children. We shouldn't act like children. We shouldn't get mad at the doctor for giving us that painful shot. We should thank him for giving us pain now that will save us more suffering later.


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Obama, on the other hand... (Below threshold)

Obama, on the other hand, is the sudden shock of just yanking it off and getting it over with.

As long as the shock doesn't kill us, of course.

McCain would have continued... (Below threshold)
Wordygirl:

McCain would have continued to diminish the Republican brand of conservatism until there would be no difference between the two parties.

I think you nailed it exact... (Below threshold)
Dark Eden:

I think you nailed it exactly. McCain would have worked with the Democrats in congress and the Republicans would get the blame from the press for the failure that would result from that. With Obama and the most extreme left congress we've ever had, there's no excuses, no one else to blame and it has made it obvious who the Democrats are for all to see.

I 2nd that Wordygirl.... (Below threshold)
914:

I 2nd that Wordygirl.

I suppose there is still so... (Below threshold)
dkallen:

I suppose there is still some benefit to playing what-if games here. However, the far more compelling question is, how do a prevent a replay of the 2008 election?

President Obama enjoyed the enthusiastic support of his party (except possibly for a few recalcitrant Hilary fans)... McCain never had more than a grudging support from his party, although his Palin pick engendered some enthusiasm.

So... how do we ensure that this doesn't recur? I don't want to be holding my nose in 2012 while the other party is cheering and partying their way to 4 more years.

With Obama and the most ... (Below threshold)

With Obama and the most extreme left congress we've ever had, there's no excuses, no one else to blame and it has made it obvious who the Democrats are for all to see.

Obviously you've not been paying attention. Despite majorities in Congress they're all still blaming the Republicans, who they don't need a single vote from, for obstructing them and delaying everything.

"However, the far more comp... (Below threshold)
JB:

"However, the far more compelling question is, how do a prevent a replay of the 2008 election?"

Build up the Tea Party movement, have a litmus test for candidates (how far they're willing to back the goals of Tea Partiers), endorse candidate.

BTW, I agree with Beck. Mc... (Below threshold)
JB:

BTW, I agree with Beck. McCain would have been a shitty appeaser of the Democrats, would get blame for everything that went wrong and no credit for everything that went right and the public would have bought it.

Though the Democrats are trying the same kind of blame game now, the public isn't particularly buying it, and will less and less as time passes.

So yeah, if Obama doesn't completely destroy America, he may wind up destroying the Democrat party.

More like ripping out stitc... (Below threshold)
UNCLEZEB:

More like ripping out stitches.

"with Obama it's clear that... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"with Obama it's clear that it's a quid pro quo arrangement"

When has Barry done this?

"(Hell, I don't think even Obama backs all of it"

Then why expend valuable political capital?

"Had McCain been elected, things would have continued to decline"

We'll never know now, will we?

"We should thank him for giving us pain now that will save us more suffering later."

HUH? Sounds like 'the pain' is going to snowball, not stop.

I've believed for quite som... (Below threshold)
Grace:

I've believed for quite some time now (only 8 months??) that Obama's election has turned out to be the best thing for the country. (If we survive it.)

Average Americans have become aware of politics in a way that is relatively new. Most people tend to think of themselves as good Americans if they go to the polls and vote. This current fiasco has galvanized people to really look into the constitution, the bills and the congress persons who are failing their constituents.

Many were just drifting along, listening to the Washington elites, feeling powerless to make any significant changes. This administration has angered so many so fast it is amazing. These concerned, frustrated people have found like minded citizens in the tea party movement and they realize they truly can make a difference.

My worry now is that this will so decimate the democratic party that we will be left with a Republican super majority. I still think two healthy parties are the best for this nation.

Also, with McCain, there mi... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Also, with McCain, there might not have even been a Tea Party movement.

"My worry now is that this ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"My worry now is that this will so decimate the democratic party"

Don't worry, "decimate" is only 10% - one would hope that the Democratic centrists will retake their party from the extremists.

During the latter part of t... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

During the latter part of the campaign, McCain was essentially trying to match Obama as far as his 'bailout' of the housing market rhetoric - it was a lot of 'me too' promises.

IMO, the McCain-types are part of the problem with the Republican Party. Further, there was no one that I saw in the Republican primary that I would be excited about supporting. So, the best way to insure Obama's re-election is to recycle one of the Republican's from the '08 campaign.

Soooo Barack, the Boil on A... (Below threshold)
Steven M:

Soooo Barack, the Boil on Americas' Butt, is Bound to Burst, sooner than Rain had McCain taken the Reins? Ahhh...Yup!

McCain favors global warmin... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

McCain favors global warming theory, amnesty for illegals and the closing of Gitmo. He believes water boarding is torture and his daughter appears to be and idiot. McCain was broken by the North Viet Namese, sadly. He is a poor replacement for Barry Goldwater. I voted for him because I believed and believe Obama is a closet communist. Everyother candidate the Republicans had would have done a better job. Major candidates that is. That loon from Texas is excluded. Romney would have solved the problems and punished the perps already. Frank and Dodd would have been discredited.

But the painful shot is sup... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

But the painful shot is supposed to make it better. And sure rip one band aid off while adding 10 more to rip off later.

I tend to agree with Beck.<... (Below threshold)
Hank:

I tend to agree with Beck.

McCain would have finished off what's left of the repub party, as JB and Dark Eden mentioned, by appeasing the dems (and MSM) and yet being the lightning rod for all the blame.

The dems would have a target and they'd unite behind trying to destroy it (McCain/Palin).

Without a common enemy, they're left with their elitist agenda and no way to divert attention from it.

Then again, check out what ... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Then again, check out what Dr Zero writes at Hotair.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/23/defending-the-honor-of-president-mccain/

The Left and state run medi... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

The Left and state run media picked McCain as the GOP candidate for us, thanks to an idiotic open primary system.

McCain would have been worse than Comrade Obama as it would have taken longer to wake up the silent majority to bring us a Reagan again.

Grace:" Average Amer... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Grace:
" Average Americans have become aware of politics in a way that is relatively new. Most people tend to think of themselves as good Americans if they go to the polls and vote. This current fiasco has galvanized people to really look into the constitution, the bills and the congress persons who are failing their constituents.

Many were just drifting along, listening to the Washington elites, feeling powerless to make any significant changes. This administration has angered so many so fast it is amazing. These concerned, frustrated people have found like minded citizens in the tea party movement and they realize they truly can make a difference. "

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Good point. While I don't think it's good for citizens to be perpetually consumed with politics (i.e. "which pol should I get chummy with to get special treatment", "which group should I donate to so 'my group' gets govt goodies", etc..), I think the average person was far too apathetic and the Professional Activists had too much power.
Many who were never active are now waking up. That's a good thing.

I'm not sure if Beck is right but I'm not sure he's wrong either.

Tell me something...why do ... (Below threshold)

Tell me something...why do the gurus of the airwaves dismiss Beck (as an example, personally I find him too annoying to watch) for simply "playing on peoples' fears to garner attention", but can turn around and praise Democrats for crying 'racism' at every opportunity (for example, some faceless Rep that cries that letting Wilson "get away" with saying Obama is a liar is just a smidge removed from putting on a white hood and decorating some trees)?

What part of your brain or soul needs to be missing to be that big a hypocrite?

I don't know if that is tru... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I don't know if that is true. McCain, hardly my favorite, would send soldiers if a general said they were needed instead of weigh his political options. He would not force this huge healthcare fiasco on us. He also would have the experience to know you do not call american citizens thugs, mobs, nazi's, racist and spoiled teenagers like this hack's administration has done. As I said, I am not a fan of either one, but I prefer McCain only by a little. ww

TexBob,"...wake up... (Below threshold)
Rance:

TexBob,

"...wake up the silent majority to bring us a Reagan again."


For the silent majority to bring us a new Reagan, they first have to find a new Reagan. Have you seen anyone out there who can seriously be considered as comparable to Reagan?

"Have you seen anyone out t... (Below threshold)
914:

"Have you seen anyone out there who can seriously be considered as comparable to Reagan"

Unfortunately the answer is no.

Obama might be the best thi... (Below threshold)
devildog666:

Obama might be the best thing that has happened in years. He got me and millions of apathetic Americans off the couch and engaged in what's going on. Pray that it isn't too late.

This doesn't mean the Republicans will make gains; they still have a lower approval rating than the Dems in congress. If there was ever a time a third party could be successful, this is probably it.

I don't think we could have... (Below threshold)
Anon Y. Mous:

I don't think we could have got Reagan without having first been put through the Carter experience. It is important to have a clear choice for the voters to decide on. Deal makers like McCain blur the lines and dilute choice. With him doing all his reaching across the aisle, where would that leave voters to go who want none of it? With Obama at least, we are beginning to see a clear delineation between the two parties, at least at the grass roots level. Now if we could only get some credible leadership.

Beck's idea was postulated ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Beck's idea was postulated many times over *before* the election took place with centrist and conservatives everywhere giving McCain the finger and refusing to vote for him.

You can probably go through the archives on this blog and find several commenter's that said that and I think at LGF there were several threads with comments proposing that idea, if CJ hasn't expunged them for heresy.

Who in their right mind wanted the 'Democrat Lite' version of a president when we could have a screaming flake like "The Won" to lead the country to socialism with a wicked side order of fascism.

Nothing like the cold breath of reality to shock the hell out of unsuspecting rubes that thought he was the answer to all their political dreams only to see that he doesn't share them.

I semi-agree with this anal... (Below threshold)
Occam's Beard:

I semi-agree with this analysis. Obama and the leftist-infested Congress will, much like Jimmy Carter, vaccinate a generation against liberalism. So on the domestic front, that's better than having McCain endure four years of leftist vitriol.

The only exception is foreign policy. Obama can do - and is already starting to do - untold damage there, again much like Carter. He's burning our friends, emboldening our enemies, and apologizing to all and sundry. And as in the Carter case, we'll be suffering the effects of his incompetence for long after he leaves office.

Jay Tea:I was abou... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea:

I was about halfway into a piece at Say Anything about the same thing when I clicked over and found yours. You hit the nail on the head (and you beat me to it, dammit).

If McCain had been elected his half measures and desire to please everyone would have put the conservative movement into cryo-freeze, or at best, a slow gangrene that would have rotted conservatism from the inside out.

Conversely, Obama's election is regenerating the conservative movement. Ain't that somethin'?

I couldn't have said it better - so I chucked my piece. Again - dammit.

Good job.

Pilgrim

Like most persons, I don't ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

Like most persons, I don't agree with all of the presidents particular policies, but I'm willing to accept the good benefits.

I didn't like the Cash For Clunkers program very much, but it did sell 700,000 vehicles and when an auto salesman buys groceries at my store I welcome their money. And the Stimulus Bill provided a Food Stamp(SNAP Program) increase of $255 million to Oregon, a few thousands of dollars which should flow through my grocery store as well.

Do I like many of the particulars with the presidents policies? No I don't. Do I like the benefits? Certainly.

"I didn't like the Cash For... (Below threshold)
JB:

"I didn't like the Cash For Clunkers program very much, but it did sell 700,000 vehicles"

And tanked auto sales the following month.

Also see Fallacy, Broken Window.

You say, "With McCain, we p... (Below threshold)

You say, "With McCain, we probably would have seen a continuation of a lot of the Bush policies that were -- in a word -- wrong."

Which ones? Illegal wiretapping? Amping up the war on terror in Afghanistan? Keeping prisoners in Gitmo without a trial or official charges?

I definitely see the point about McCain being too wishy-washy, but I think he had a much better grasp on foreign policy and a much more realistic worldview (we're not all going to end up singing happy songs of world peace no matter what BO says or does).

Beck couldn't be more right... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Beck couldn't be more right.

Two turntables and a microphone are totally where it's at...

Beck elaborated on his TV s... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Beck elaborated on his TV show this afternoon. He raked McCain for saying that he was 'honored' to be compared to Teddy Roosevelt and that Roosevelt is a 'hero' of his. Beck cited Roosevelt's "New Nationalism" and hatred of 'the rich' saying that this is where modern liberalism started. I can't really fault Beck's logic here. McCain truly sucks.

"Like most persons, I don't... (Below threshold)
914:

"Like most persons, I don't agree with all of the presidents particular policies, but I'm willing to accept the good benefits."

Like what good benefits? Shorter lines at the grocery store? You know, the store that you keep imagining and always gestate over?

"I didn't like the Cash For Clunkers program very much, but it did sell 700,000 vehicles and when an auto salesman buys groceries at my store I welcome their money. And the Stimulus Bill provided a Food Stamp(SNAP Program) increase of $255 million to Oregon, a few thousands of dollars which should flow through my grocery store as well"

And right out your bung hole with the rest of your pap.

#25 - 914 : <a href="http:/... (Below threshold)

#25 - 914 : http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/welcome_back_dad.html

September 04, 2008
Welcome Back, Dad
By Michael Reagan

..... Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he's a she.

And what a she!

In one blockbuster of a speech, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin resurrected my Dad's indomitable spirit and sent it soaring above the convention center, shooting shock waves through the cynical media's assigned spaces and electrifying the huge audience with the kind of inspiring rhetoric we haven't heard since my Dad left the scene.

This was Ronald Reagan at his best ....

.... Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time around.""


Mr. Reagan is a syndicated radio talk-show host and the son of former President Ronald Reagan.

Mr Beck got this one right.... (Below threshold)

Mr Beck got this one right.

Although he is an Economics illiterate and is very often extremely sloppy in his research, in the depth of his understanding of his subject matter, in disguising his only poorly-comprehended second-handing of other folk's ideas (Robert Ringer's and Doctor Levin's spring instantly to mind) -- and in his choice of language.

Consequently Mr Beck far too often inadvertently sounds way too much like Teddy Roosevelt and many of the other also essentially un-and-anti-American progressives, socialists, communists, pre-fascists, crypto-fascists and fascists he professes to abhor.

There is a line in a song that made the rounds a while ago that went to the effect, "He surrounded himself with people who demanded too little of him."

Mr Beck needs a well disciplined, well educated minder with an exceptional command of Austrian School Economics -- and of the English language.

Glenn Beck is wrong about M... (Below threshold)
poptoy:

Glenn Beck is wrong about McCain in my opinion. Any Republican would have been better than Obama. I mean any. We still have over 3 years to go with Obama. There is more to come that will shake this country to it's knee's. But Glenn Beck says something stupid like this to Katy no less. I like everything about Beck. This time he should have shut the hell up. He was wrong and he knows it. May he never do this again. GOD help us.

Had McCain won we would hav... (Below threshold)
Dennis D:

Had McCain won we would have Democrats running against 12 years of Republican policy instead of the 8 years of Bush bs and face the prospect of losing even more seats in midterm elections,.

i think you have wrote one ... (Below threshold)
kenneth erkson:

i think you have wrote one of the dumbest articles i've ever read, with obama as president, you have a guy that hates our type of goverment, if he doesen't how do you explain all his friends that he associates with? we should have a new tittle for obama, communist and chief of the united states, i don't think mccain would appointed people like that.

with McCain, we would have ... (Below threshold)
Dave W:

with McCain, we would have republicans actually going along with him because it isn't exactly easy to stand up to the leader of your own party. Democrats would "reluctantly" have gone along with McCain, getting what they wanted in the end, and blamed all of the failures on Republicans, like they always do. Hell, they're trying to blame the failure of a health care bill to pass on Republicans, even though they don't need a single republican vote to pass it!

In one sense i am glad McCain didn't get elected, as there would be no chance for an actual conservative in 2012, not to mention a lot of this policy crap thats getting pushed through would have made it through anyways. Amnesty would have been one of the first things done if i had to hazard a guess.




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