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Talk Of A Coup From The Left And The Right

Ed Morrissey asks if today is military dictatorship day, noting that there are articles out by both the Left and Right positing the idea that President Barack Obama's presidency may fall to a military coup:

In case anyone thinks that one side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on paranoid ranters, we present today's offering from Gore Vidal (Left) and John Perry (Right) on the coming American military dictatorship. Both men agree that it's a likelihood, and both men blame Barack Obama.

More at Memeorandum.

I find it unimaginable that the United States military would do such a thing. As Morrissey notes, there's a thing called elections that pose a much greater risk to Barack Obama than dreams of Seven Days in May. However, it is quite apparent that the Presidency of Barack Obama is in deep decline and the rate of descent is accelerating. In a span of just a few months this president demonstrated that he never had a grasp of the complicated dynamics of the healthcare debate, he never understood or acknowledged the anger and frustration of the electorate beginning last Spring and, in fact, exacerbated the political debate in the country by unnecessarily introducing the polarizing issue of race into multiple policy issues.

The President's irresolute behavior on issues such as the European missile shield and Iran's so far successful efforts to acquire nuclear weapons, the unctuous lecturing of Israel (while noticeably ignoring Hamas), the constant speechifying on anything and everything and the growing disregard with which our allies view his behavior is creating a political figure the resembles a caricature, not a leader. But Barack Hussein Obama seems oblivious to it all. Case in point: the early call on September unemployment shows that another 250,000 Americans lost their jobs, yet the President has yet to offer up a specific private sector pro growth policy that will create jobs. People are paying attention to this president's inattention to the single most important voter issue today; where can folks get a job?

The disconnect between the President and the people is reaching Nixonian levels.

Note: Bob Owens makes a very good point in the comments:


While he blogs unpaid at Newsmax, John Perry worked for the LBJ and Carter Administrations, plus Democratic Florida Governor LeRoy Collins. And of course you've probably seen Gore Vidal's comments as well

But what we have here isn't left and right between Perry and Vidal. It's left and further left pushing fears of a coup in order to stigmatize the right.

Thanks for the context, Bob.



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Comments (50)

But Barack Hussein Obama... (Below threshold)
jim m:

But Barack Hussein Obama seems oblivious to it all.

Face it America, he's just not that into you.

You'd think he'd at least k... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

You'd think he'd at least kiss us and leave cab fare on the nightstand...

Re: "Case in point: the ear... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Re: "Case in point: the early call on September unemployment shows that another 250,000 Americans lost their jobs, yet the President has yet to offer up a specific private sector pro growth policy that will create jobs."

Offer a policy.
Hell, Obama, at the G-20 summit stated:

"(B)ecause of the bold and coordinated action that we took, millions of jobs have been saved or created; the decline in output has been stopped; financial markets have come back to life".

JLawson: "You'd think he... (Below threshold)

JLawson: "You'd think he'd at least kiss us and leave cab fare on the nightstand..."

that would assume this was a fee for services transaction between consenting adults...he prefers to drug us, roll us over, and Roman Polanski us!

Now - regarding the militar... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Now - regarding the military coup possibility...

No. Ain't gonna happen unless he REALLY goes off the deep end, and I'm talking broken flowerpot crown and Oval Office window curtain coronation robes as he declares himself King. Even then, it'll just be until a successor can be determined - which will likely be seen as Biden.

Damn. Who'd have thought Biden would seriously be a better alternative?

I THINK (Oh, I hope I hope I hope) that Congress is pretty soon going to realize that the Obama/Pelosi/Reid triumvirate has got them in a financial death spiral, and the country's going to leave a pretty big smokin' crater in the world economic landscape if they don't pull out. You cannot tax a country into prosperity, neither can you slap additional regulatory requirements on struggling businesses and somehow make things easier for them to operate. The concept that somehow 'profit' is an obscene motive for actually being in business MUST be changed inside the Beltway - and they've GOT to start living well within the income provided by the IRS.

The Left strongly SUPPORTS ... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The Left strongly SUPPORTS the President's foreign policy stance so far.

It's the Rightwing/Neocons whose moldy Cold War missile shields and Domino Theories are more than a little disconnected from today's mainstream -- they're anachronistic and downright weird.

BTW, the Newmax article has been pulled from it's website.

There was no bold coordinat... (Below threshold)
jim m:

There was no bold coordinated action. Some countries passed stimulus plans others didn't. The ones who passed smaller plans or none at all have done better economically.

This whole "saved jobs" line is BS and everyone knows it. It is completely unmeasurable and unverifiable.

moldy Cold War mis... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
moldy Cold War missile shields

Another clueless lefty demonstrates their profound ignorance, again.

Adrianna Huffington<p... (Below threshold)
914:

Adrianna Huffington

"The Left strongly SUPPORTS the President's foreign policy stance so far. "

Are'nt you tired of being on your knees before Barry Hoo'spayin Obama?

I would look for Obama to s... (Below threshold)
Picric:

I would look for Obama to step down before any Coup would come to be. His ego will not let him fail and by resigning he preserves this. Joe Biden would at least (hopefully) have the common sense to work with congress, and work with senators and house reps.

re: "The Left strongly SUPP... (Below threshold)
Hank:

re: "The Left strongly SUPPORTS the President's foreign policy stance so far."

No doubt. The left is big on apologies.

The Vidal article, which yo... (Below threshold)
80%er:

The Vidal article, which you conveniently don't link to, is pretty good.

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article6854221.ece

The Perry article has been removed by Newsmax. No more revolution porn today, wingnuts.

O.D.S.

It seems to me that the Lef... (Below threshold)
arcman Author Profile Page:

It seems to me that the Left is jonesing for something to happen to Obama so they can save face. Right now, we on the Conservative and Libertarian front see Obama as one of the best things that has happened in years, because it has opened the eyes of many to how dangerous the Left is and galvanized opposition to his socialist/Marxist agenda. There might be nutcases on the right that want to do in Obama, but my suspicion is that if anything happens to him, it will come from the Left. The military will only do something if he goes off the deepend and tries to proclaim himself "President for Life".

80%er"The Vidal ar... (Below threshold)
HughS:

80%er

"The Vidal article, which you conveniently don't link to, is pretty good."

I linked to Memeorandum, which along with the Vidal article, has a plenty of left and right links. Show some initiative.

Well, it's ALL Bush's fault... (Below threshold)

Well, it's ALL Bush's fault!

It will ALWAYS be Bush's fault... (sarcasm off)

Gore Vidal is a bitter, pretentious, arrogant old man in the beginning stages of dementia.

While he blogs unpaid at Ne... (Below threshold)

While he blogs unpaid at Newsmax, John Perry worked for the LBJ and Carter Administrations, plus Democratic Florida Governor LeRoy Collins. And of course you've probably seen Gore Vidal's comments as well

But what we have here isn't left and right between Perry and Vidal. It's left and further left pushing fears of a coup in order to stigmatize the right.

Wasn't it about this time l... (Below threshold)
cirby:

Wasn't it about this time last year that some of the more vehement lefties were telling us that Bush would never voluntarily leave office and that we'd have to have violent revolution to fight against the military, which would obviously support him?

Don't worry, Bob, the Ameri... (Below threshold)
80%er:

Don't worry, Bob, the American right has proved itself incredibly competent at stigmatizing itself.

20% and dwindling. Welcome to the real America. If you don't like it, move to Iran.

"Don't worry, Bob, the Amer... (Below threshold)
cirby:

"Don't worry, Bob, the American right has proved itself incredibly competent at stigmatizing itself."

Got that from Daily Kos, as usual?

"Got that from Daily Kos, a... (Below threshold)
80%er:

"Got that from Daily Kos, as usual?"

Nope, never go there. They are the wizbangblog of the left. Good only for mockery and ridicule.

Nope, never go the... (Below threshold)
Nope, never go there. They are the wizbangblog of the left. Good only for mockery and ridicule.

And yet, here you are.

"And yet, here you are."</p... (Below threshold)
80%er:

"And yet, here you are."

That's very observant of you OregonMuse. Do you have any more biting commentary for us?

80:That'... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

80:

That's very observant of you OregonMuse. Do you have any more biting commentary for us?

Referring to yourself in the 1st person plural is a sure sign of a mental disorder. Seek professional help now.

The only person impressed w... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The only person impressed with Gore Vidal, is Gore Vidal.

As for Barry: The WaPo has suddenly discovered that China's concerns are not necessarily our concerns. Who'd a thunk that? They're obviously not impressed with Barry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/29/AR2009092903697.html?hpid=topnews

Yeah, like our military wou... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Yeah, like our military would even have a passing interest in mounting a political coup. Why even bring it up. Although, I must give Vidal credit. For a staunch lib like Vidal to even entertain this notion is a clear admission that even he realizes Obama is seriously incompetent.

Bob Owens,Should t... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Bob Owens,

Should that be left and lefter (aka dumb and dumber)?

-syb

I hear White House pigeons ... (Below threshold)
James H:

I hear White House pigeons are plotting a coo.

Nice try distancing yoursel... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Nice try distancing yourself from the right wing nutcakes.

It's refreshing to see some on the right try to disassociate yourself from Perry - but he's all yours - he's another example of the right gone wrong.

From Media Matters:

Yesterday, we highlighted a Newsmax column by John L. Perry essentially advocating a military coup to resolve the "Obama problem" (while, of course, claiming he was advocating no such thing). It's just the latest example of extreme right-wing rhetoric directed at President Obama.

Now, it appears that Newsmax has removed the column from its website; the link to it defaults to Perry's main column page. Fortunately, we made a copy.

As of this writing, Newsmax has posted no explanation or apology on its website -- arguably par for the course for Newsmax when it gets caught screwing up. But Media Matters has received the following statement from a Newsmax spokesperson:

In a blog posting to Newsmax John Perry wrote about a coup scenario involving the U.S. military. He clearly stated that he was not advocating such a scenario but simply describing one.

After several reader complaints, Newsmax wanted to insure that this article was not misinterpreted. It was removed after a short period after being posted.

Newsmax strongly believes in the principles of Constitutional government and would never advocate or insinuate any suggestion of an activity that would undermine our democracy or democratic institutions.

Mr. Perry served as a political appointee in the Carter administration in HUD and FEMA. He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger.

Interesting that Newsmax makes a point of highlighting that Perry worked in the Carter administration, as if it somehow proves he's not really a right-wing nut. And its dismissal of Perry as nothing more than an "unpaid blogger" is a tad disingenous since Perry has been writing for Newsmax since 1999 and Perry's Newsmax bio touts how he "contributes a regular column to NewsMax.com."

"He's not one of us!!!" - BS - He's sbeen one of yours since 1999 - and this pathetic attept to lie to the public and claim he's a leftist is just another example of the fact that the right cannot accept responsibility for anything they do. Pathetic!

Should Obama and the rest o... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

Should Obama and the rest of the radical left be overthrown, it won't be the result of a military coup. Rather actual Americans will finally stand up for their rights and liberty and for the continued existence of the nation.

IMO this talk of coup is ju... (Below threshold)
K:

IMO this talk of coup is just routine fantasy from the far left. Or bored media - it is hard to say which is more foolish.

The old guy Gore Vidal always had a good feel for farce and probably was pulling the reporter's leg.

They imagine themselves victims and poor O as a martyr. While Bush was in office they talked of secret concentration camps with thousands, or was it millions, of liberals already in them.

They also fretted about all the universities locked down under military occupation.

Personally I think any US officers planning a coup would be (1) promptly detected, and (2) laughed at by soldiers ordered to carry it out.

One commenter above put it ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

One commenter above put it succintly. The left has proven how out of touch with mainstream americans when it comes to how we view our country and systems. The left loathes them and wants to drastically change them all. Everyone else wants to keep them in place and modify as necessary. The left has been exposed. Even France. FRANCE, said our president is weak, arrogant and naive. France. That says something. ww

Wait wait wait! Everyone he... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

Wait wait wait! Everyone here seems to forget that the Military Coup the left refers to is one where the Supreme Court rules that the President is acting unconstitutionally and is forced to ask the Military to remove him from office.

That is not a "military coup" that is democracy at work according to their founding documents.

The only way I see our military getting involved is if they are ordered to act against US citizens. At which point they would likely stand aside rather than take sides.

Much more likely would be FBI escorting him from office, possibly with assistance from Marines who are on duty in the White House at the time. And even that would only happen after a no-confidence vote / Impeachment against him from Congress. In the US the Supreme Court does not have the power on its own to remove the President from office nor should it.

In general I do have to wonder if that is why Obama was backing the ex-Pres of Honduras because he feared something like that happening to him.

I heard a "would you rather" on Glenn Beck today that made me laugh.

Would you rather vote for a stupid but honest politician, or an intelligent but lying politician?

I vote for the first one as should everyone. In fact I think having Joe Biden as the President would be a breath of fresh air. Saturday Night Live would be fun to watch again!

I don't think people realiz... (Below threshold)
Deke:

I don't think people realize how difficult to near impossible a military coup in the U.S. would be, it's the same reason why it would be hard for a foreign country to conquer us; our "federal" system is just to diverse. Unlike most countries we don't have a "central" city whose capture means victory. Our federal system of state and central government means states would become autonomous in any type of coup and a military would have to then set out to "conquer" 50 seprate countries in order to control, do you honestly think they could do it?

If you take Moscow, Paris, London, Beijing, etc., you win. Take D.C., well you still have NYC, Chicago, L.A., Houston, and the list goes on. Americans should not fear a military coup, what they SHOULD fear is the repeated attempt by leftwing Counts, who have carved out fiefdoms that are unasailable, such as Frank and Pelosi, who are bound and determined to concentrate power for themselves and the other royalty in one capital city. When that happens and states have no rights and are totally dependent on the "central" side of our federal government, then we'll all be in trouble.

Quotes from Media Matters?<... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Quotes from Media Matters?

Damn, thanks for referencing such a tower of knowledge and indisputable fact.

LOLOL

John Podesta, is that you?

Media Matters? HAhahahahah... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Media Matters? HAhahahahahahahahaha!!
Yeah, now there's a TOTALLY UNBIASED NEWS SOURCE!

Left or right the talk of a... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Left or right the talk of a military coup is nonsense. The risk has always been one that the federal government will abuse its power and subjugate the people. THAT is why our constitution was written the way it is and THAT is why Obama says that it is seriously flawed.

The risk is not a coup but an overthrow of the constitution from inside the executive branch.

What part of "Perry has ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

What part of "Perry has been writing for Newsmax since 1999 and Perry's Newsmax bio touts how he "contributes a regular column to NewsMax.com." is not true?

Steve,Both ideas a... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve,

Both ideas are wacko. Who cares?

s green - "What part of... (Below threshold)
Marc:

s green - "What part of "Perry has been writing for Newsmax since 1999 and Perry's Newsmax bio touts how he "contributes a regular column to NewsMax.com." is not true?"

Better questions:

1. What part of Perry being a "political appointee in the Carter administration in HUD and FEMA" [your own link BTW], integral to the LBJ Administration, plus Democratic Florida Governor LeRoy Collins admin NOT make him decidedly liberal/left.

2. The recently departed Bill Safire, and CONSERVATIVE, wrote for the decidedly leftest NYT for 30 years does that make him "one of yours" as you call it?

3. Numerous Dems/leftists contribute to Foxnews does the make them "one of ours, or still one of yours."

Marc,Great...now y... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Marc,

Great...now you've likely given poor Steve Green a headache!

The use of logic on lefties is simply unfair. It hurts their poor widdle heads!

Marc, I have to point out a... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Marc, I have to point out a mistake you just made. You proved a point and used logic doing it. Now Steve Green is sitting at his computer shaking uncontrollably trying to figure out how to scramble the eggs again. Good job. ww

I find it unimaginable t... (Below threshold)
wtfo:

I find it unimaginable that the United States military would do such a thing.

Were you ever in the military?

Our oath is first and foremost to the Constitution, not the president nor the government. The Army and Navy predate the U.S., and the civilian government basically exists at their whim. Our military set the stage and told the civilians, "you make a government of and for the people, and we'll abide by it... as long as YOU abide by it".

There is a pretty pervasive movement in the military at the moment to remind service members of that fact. It also includes discussion about not following unlawful orders.

Those who have not served recently might not be aware of it; I would not expect those who have never served to be aware of it at all.

Maybe he is thinking along ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Maybe he is thinking along the line of Honduras. Perhaps Obama will try to unlawfully change and\or violates the U.S Constitution then defy several Supreme Court orders who declare his actions as a violation resulting in Congress including many from his own party to remove the President from office. Obama with his enormous ego will refused to go and will have to be forcibly removed. Chavez and Castro will scream military coup.

syb - "Great...now you'... (Below threshold)
Marc:

syb - "Great...now you've likely given poor Steve Green a headache!"

In that case he's gotten off light. I'd much rather give him a gasoline enema.

I've noticed this guy Marc ... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

I've noticed this guy Marc spends a lot of time obsessing about men's butts.

Meanwhile, here's a history of Newsmax's foible and fables - they've got a rich history of hiding articles and pretending they never were published.

Controversial articles

* After the mysterious disappearance of Chandra Levy in 2001, contributor John LeBoutillier allegedly posted a speculative column on the site about the sex life of Representative Gary Condit, with whom Levy had an affair. The column quickly circulated among media members, even though Newsmax editors pulled it from the site.[11]

* On May 26, 2000, Newsmax published an article claiming Hillary Clinton refused to meet with the Gold Star Mothers.[10] According to the Gold Star Mothers organization, this was false and "Senator Clinton greeted us graciously on Gold Star Mothers Sunday, 2005. This story was also debunked at other websites[11] and eventually led to a retraction by NewsMax.[12]

* A 2005 NewsMax.com report about Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, claiming he was "teaming up" with rock band U2 for a fund raiser, gained considerable attention. Santorum had actually purchased 66 tickets to a sold-out show and was reselling these to campaign supporters at $1,000 per seat. The band issued a statement denying it was involved in the practice, saying, "U2 concerts are categorically not fund-raisers for any politician; they are rock concerts for U2 fans."[12] Rather than admitting the error and issuing a correction, Newsmax simply changed its article about the fund-raiser without telling readers it had been changed, stating that the story was misinterpreted.[13]

* During the debate over the failed 2007 Immigration Bill, Newsmax popularized opposition to an alleged "North American Union," a dystopian vision of a future America where "NAU citizens no longer spend dollars or salute Old Glory. They spend 'ameros'." [14]

* On August 9, 2007, Newsmax freelance reporter, Jim Davis, reported that Barack Obama was in attendance on July 22, 2007 during a controversial sermon giving by Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in South Chicago, Obama's place of worship.[15] The claim that Obama was in attendance for this particular sermon was repeated by Newsmax as fact again on March 16, 2008. [16] A July 22, 2007 speaking schedule for the National Council for La Raza in Miami, Florida shows Obama as a scheduled speaker for 1:30pm. [17] Video confirms he attended the conference and spoke during his allotted time. New York Times op-ed author, William Kristol, who relied upon the erroneous Newsmax articles in an op-ed article in the New York Times on March 17, 2008, [13] provided the following retraction and apology later in the day, "In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error." [14] However, Davis later explained that Obama had attended the early morning service at Trinity United at 7:30 a.m., leaving sufficient time for him to travel by private jet to Miami; and the La Raza website confirms that Obama did not arrive until 1:50 p.m. Eastern time. Newsmax reports receiving confirmation from the Obama campaign that the candidate's private jet did not leave Chicago until 8:50 a.m. A Washington Post fact checker has reported that the issue has not been resolved to his satisfaction one way or the other.

* Newsmax claimed that Barack Obama's Vatican ambassador had been rejected several times for being "insufficiently pro-life." The Catholic News Service and Time magazine confirmed on April 9, 2009 that Newsmax's story was false.[18]

* On September 29, 2009, in a column at Newsmax.com, John L. Perry claims not to advocate, but to describe the possibility of a military coup against President Barack Obama to resolve what Perry calls the "Obama problem". After Media Matters and others criticized the column, Newsmax rescinded it though Media Matters has archived it, along with its critique.[15][16][17]

It's easy to see why the right would want to pretend that Perry isn't one of them.

Vic

vic - "Meanwhile, here'... (Below threshold)
Marc:

vic - "Meanwhile, here's a history of Newsmax's foible and fables - they've got a rich history of hiding articles and pretending they never were published."

And that means what? Every major news source has the same or longer list.

In this case unlike the characterization you attempt, [i.e. they hid something], they quickly issued a statement in which factual support for the post was nonexistent and they pulled it down.

P.S. A fascination for mens butts, no, but I have a penchant for debating [if ya wanna call it that] pussies like you, mainly because it takes so little effort to point out your BS.

And example of that you say, well then, it takes a pretty BIG pussy to not answer direct Q's as in comment 39. You avoided them because they completely lay to waste your entire argument.

See ya later douche bag.

Marc: "I'd much rather g... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Marc: "I'd much rather give him a gasoline enema."

Uhm, yeah -- too each his own, I guess.

Vic

"Face it America, he's just... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

"Face it America, he's just not that into you."

Priceless.

IMO, the left's floating of the 'coup' trial balloon is setting the Right's vicious thugs as scapegoat when Dear Leader meets a Jimmy-Hoffa-demise.

vic - "Uhm, yeah -- too... (Below threshold)
Marc:

vic - "Uhm, yeah -- too each his own, I guess."

Still no response to 3 simple ?'s, far from surprising. You have zero intentions here except post unsubstantiated BS and fling it far and wide.

Yep, thanks to you Mr. and ... (Below threshold)

Yep, thanks to you Mr. and Mrs. Stupid for putting this idiot in the White House.
How sad when idols and messiahs turn out to be idiots.

1.) Go to mirror
2.) Take a good hard look at yourself
3.) Now slap yourself really hard
4.) Now pretend it is ME slapping you!

If this stupidity in the White House keeps up I will be forced to vote for myself in 2011.




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