"That a private citizen can be forced out of a private business transaction because of his politics and opinions is about as Un-American as anything I have ever seen."

All that Rush did was express his racist opinions and other expressed their opinions in response.

He wasn't "forced out" of anything. His racism was exposed and level-headed Americans spoke out against it.

What a cry baby. "Forced out"? Are you serious?

Vic

What a bunch of skirts. Easy for you to say, given that it's not your money and investment at risk of boycott.

And Limbaugh hasn't been damaged by those 'quotes'. His reputation is no worse on the left than it was last week and nobody on the right believed the quotes were real and the people in the middle don't care one way or the other about him... pretty much the status quo. No harm, no foul, no million dollar judgment.

Vic - see my posts on the previous thread. Show where ANY of he comments referenced in the other article are true. They have been shown to be unsourced. I posted the McNabb quote AND Rush's response. You can't pony up the proof that he said what you claim he did and you don't have the guts to admit that you're wrong on those comments.

You're a disgusting coward.

Kim, what did you expect? The truth is Rush did make some racist statements. Now that is coming back to haunt him. I do agree with you that Sharp, Jackson, etc. should keep their mouths shut. However, as the NFL is roughly 70% black, and his comments affected them, they do have the right to complain.

Oh, and I hope Rush files a lawsuit. He will have to be deposed, and I can realize that some of the questions he will be asked, he will have to claim the 5th.

But don't worry, the other owners will not want to OK him for being a part owner, as they will go through the same thing poor lil Rush is going through.

Steve - except for the McNabb comments on Monday night football all the other comments were unsourced and there is no evidence that he ever said them. Real news organizations are backing away from them because they realize that he probably didn't say them.

Only a-holes like Vic still think that these comments are real.

Should we count you in with him?

How about "When I see a couple of young black men walking down the sidewalk I get nervous and think about crossing over to the other side"

Is THAT racist? It was said by Jesse Jackson.

JC - he can only be deposed on issues relevant to the case. You should know that or are you too stupid to figure it out?

That a private citizen can be forced out of a private business transaction because of his politics and opinions is a/bout as Un-American as anything I have ever seen.

Really? Because Republicans, official elected Republicans, tried to prevent Soros from owning a baseball team through vague legislative threats. Where was the fake outrage then?

jim m, your are correct, but he will be his usual blustering self and make a mistake. And nope, I'm no more stupid than you are, but you sure do like to insinuate things, don't you? But that's ok, I do need my daily laughs.

Nice to see Jim M is stalking me now. He sure gets around on that three-wheeler of his.

"Show where ANY of he comments referenced in the other article are true. They have been shown to be unsourced."

Then show how they've been unsourced.

You claim they've been shown to be unsourced - now put up or shut up.

Specifically, show how the publicity surrounding Rush's claim that watching NFL football is like watching a gang fight it out in a street brawl is false.

Source: CBS Channel 2, Chicago:

Limbaugh also said, according to transcripts posted on his Web site: "The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it." That comment, and others, resurfaced this month when he revealed he is teaming with St. Louis Blues owner Dave Checketts to bid on the Rams.

Now you're telling me Rush took it down and is lying saying that it was never there?

Gee, I'm surprised.

Vic

The recent furor has been about wikipedia comments alleged by an anonymous contributor.

Rush has issued a blanket denial of those comments. Here is the audio from CNN which has more guts than you do Vic.

http://media.eyeblast.org/newsbusters/static/2009/10/2009-10-13-CNN-Sanchez-Rush.mp3

Yes he has said other things, but if you want to say that the street gang reference was racist then you are the one who is injecting race into it as you are the one assuming that ONLY blacks are in street gangs.

Rush made no comments on Monday Night Football. He was on ESPN's game day program. His comments about Donovan McNabb related to the MEDIA,not McNabb. Eagles fans called to agree with Rush the following week.
If Rush were a racist, James Golden would have left the program and Rush in the dust. Instead, when Rush became deaf, James Golden returned to his side and has been there ever since. Dr. Walter Williams would hardly be interested in guest hosting, nor would any of the other distinguished guest hosts.
Rush is a surrogate for all Conservatives in this travesty. He has joined Sarah Palin as the object of hatred from both the Left and the uninformed. Bless Rush's great heart. He is a far better man than any of these detractors can ever hope to be.

"Yes he has said other things, but if you want to say that the street gang reference was racist then you are the one who is injecting race into it as you are the one assuming that ONLY blacks are in street gangs."

Ohhhh, ok Jim. You have your opinion and I have mine, and NFL players have theirs, and Kim has his. So it goes.

Vic

"Rush has issued a blanket denial of those comments."

Oh, then I'm convinced. A racist wouldn't lie and claim it never happened, nope.

Vic

That's a cop out vic. Come on. Tell me that you don't automatically think of blacks when you hear street gangs and ell me that thinking that way is not racist.

It is. You do it. You're doing it here. By your own definition you are therefore a racist. But now you are running away because you caught.

Vic #13 - I'm not saying that. I am saying that he has claimed that he did not. It has been pointed out that the statements were from an unknown anonymous poster.

The burden is placed on those who would accuse in this country. Show where these comments were made or shut up.

"Tell me that you don't automatically think of blacks when you hear street gangs and tell me that thinking that way is not racist."

It is racist, Jim, ask the black NFL players who complained about it.

And Rush said it, and it was wrong for him to say it.

And he got caught.

And now he's paid for it. And he'll probably pay for it over and over again.

If I ever said those words I'd expect to pay for it too - but some conservatives don't have accountability and integrity, so they lie and squirm and spit and cuss and call people names. Anything to distract from the issue.

And yes, he said it. And yes, now he's paid for it. As it should be.

Vic

And the CNN comments Vic? You're running away from them pretty fast now.

Vic - I can confirm that the Crips and Bloods have Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and Caucasions. Now, don't you feel stupid for your comment? I know this cause I am from So CA.
Now, get back on your broom/horsey and play peek-a-boo with your friends.
Madalyn

8,070 sources say I'm right, Jim.

"And the CNN comments Vic? You're running away from them pretty fast now."

Oh yeah, I'm running away. Why don't you grow up?

You lied, you lost, move on.

Vic

Take 2 - 8,070 sources say I'm right, Jim.

Vic

I'm talking about the slavery and James Earl Ray comments you fool. I have made that abundantly clear.

I have not denied the NFL comments.

I haven't lied. I have been specific to the CNN comments that were first sourced through a posting under the pseudonym of 'cobra' on Wikipedia.

There is no evidence that he ever said them. Pony it up if you have it. CNN couldn't find it, but then they haven't shown any ability to use Google so that's not too surprising.

Vic! Playing hide-n-seek aren't you? You little stinker. Still haven't answered the questions from the previous thread though. Are you going to respond or are you going to run to another thread?

Why do you guys treat this slanderous slimeball of a troll with kid gloves? He deserves a swift boot in the ass for his "prove a negative" B.S. game that the leftist cockroaches are playing.

Warn him, then ban his IP.

"I'm talking about the slavery and James Earl Ray comments you fool."

Oh, you changed the subject away from the NFL cmments. I wonder why...

"I have not denied the NFL comments."

Good. Cause the NFL comments is what caused the NFL to boot Limbaugh's drug-addled ass out of the deal.

But feel free to change the subject as often as you feel necessary in order to try to divert attention away from the subject -- as you throw invective around and insult people who have an opinion that's different than yours.

It may have actually convinced one or two folks that your word is more relevant than the 8,070 sources who quote Limbaugh's racist remarks about NFL players looking like gang members.

Or not.

Vic

No, the controversy regarding his alleged racist remarks was what did it and the highlights of CNN's and MSNBC's coverage were the more outrageous one's . I have posted Rushes Response to the McNabb statements and noted that no one thought it was racist until McNabb complained. ESPN hosts mentioned that hey did not think anything of it at he time and that was because it WAS about the media and not him.

The whole of his comments were what the issue was and the biggest uproar was about the fabricated comments and I'll note that the evidence that they were fabricated is that nobody complained at the time they were alleged to have been said.

Re # 24
I don't think anyone here expects Vic, silly person that he is, to say anything intelligent or to back his arguments with facts. I just felt like batting him around, like a cat does to a mouse. In mouse-like fashion Vic ignores the questions and then squeaks some childish invectives. He will eventually skitter off to his hole in the wall.

In the locker room after Sunday's 38-10 loss to Minnesota, more than one Rams player privately voiced opposition to the potential inclusion of Limbaugh in the ownership group. To them it was not a matter of Limbaugh's politics, but a matter of what's regarded as some of his racially charged statements.

Kim, you are misrepresenting the article you referenced in your article. You stated,

That a private citizen can be forced out of a private business transaction because of his politics and opinions is about as Un-American as anything I have ever seen.

Did you not read the part.

To them it was not a matter of Limbaugh's politics, but a matter of what's regarded as some of his racially charged statements.

The players do not want Rush not because of his politics but because of his racially chaged statements. As a great person once said, "Words Matter."

The NFL has the right to decide what is in there and the players best interest. As a private company that is there right.

Boy, this topic brought out the trolls to prove that they don't know what they are talking about. From a legal standpoint, Rush has a great case against several self-important personalities from the player's union to the NFL itself, to dim-witted sportscasters. All the way from Slander to Interference with Contractual Advantage. Go for it Rush!

Slander would be a tough one to win on simply because he is a public figure.

The interference with the business issues are more to his advantage. Chris Matthews has already publicly backed down off of his leg tingling assassination fantasies.

as I stated in my letter to the NFL, I will NOT watch the NFL (and I am a lifelong follower), and will organize a boycott of advertisers on NFL broadcasts via my website.

A pinprick, yes. But it is MY time and MY money...and I will spend neither on anything related to the NFL.

period

#30
As Rush is a "public figure", he does have a higher threshold of proof. However, if he can show actual malice...that is, a false statement made with knowledge of the falsity, or in utter disregard of the truth, he will win. Like I said above, it's just one of a possible avenues that he can take. The decision of the Court in the NY Times case needs to be revised, and this may be the case to do it.

Naturally the NFL will now begin purging the ranks of NFL owners of all but the purest...and then, of course, the players.

While there will only be about 30 or 40 players left in the entire league, and MAYBE, one or two owners, the competition may be somewhere diminished. More PURE though.

FUCK 'EM...I am through with the NFL. Frankly a very LIBERATING feeling!

Suppose someone alleged that George Soros had said that he and Frederic Mitterand used to travel together to Thailand and Indonesia to cornhole young boys, and that back in the day George's favorite was a little black buttboy named Barack. In return for services rendered, Soros promised to buy him the Presidency of the U.S.

Prove that's wrong.

I read somewhere that no-one will be allowed to buy or sell anything unless they accept the mark of the beast.

So what Godell's stance on the Washington Redskins?

"Naturally the NFL will now begin purging the ranks of NFL owners of all but the purest...and then, of course, the players."

And there you have it. The rank hypocrisy of those who will dutifully forgive and forget the behavior of ex-cons and thugs (the most recent being the abhorrent Michael Vick) whine like friggin' babies over another individual, mostly based on innuendo and rumor, is not even shocking to me anymore.

Vic (#13):

Oh, then I'm convinced. A racist wouldn't lie and claim it never happened, nope.

Vic, are you a arsonist ? Of course, if you say 'no', it's obvious that a arsonist wouldn't lie and claim that it never happened, nope.

It was people like Vic that perpetrated the Salem Witch trials.

What is really disgusting about this whole mess is that liberals and idiots in the media are promoting the absolutley unconstitutional "guilty until proven innocent." And even when proven innocent beyond the shadow of a doubt, they move the goalposts in line with their new favorite journalistic standards: 1) "fake but accurate" and 2) "the facts were wrong but the narrative was true."

Journalism in America is dead, and liberals use the Constitution as toilet paper.

Anyone who does not toe the liberal line is automatically labeled as a racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, polluter and puppy-kicker.

A pox on liberals and their rank hatred.

KCrouch: They don't want to hear what Dr. Walter Williams says or thinks about Limbaugh. To them Williams has wandered off the plantation and won't acknowledge his place.

Dr. Williams is one of my favorite people - one of the top five.

Jim m: did you notice the quote marks around the word quote?

And Big Mo: there's nothing that prevents private citizens (or businesses for that matter) from applying a 'guilty until proven innocent'... I'm sure your knowledge of the constitution extends to knowing that 'innocent until proven guilty' applies only to the government?

Tina S. Roman Oben from the WaPo was on Al Sharpton's radio show yesterday and he said that it WAS Rush's politics that people were concerned about. He specifically mentioned criticism of Clinton and Obama.

So there goes the lie that this was all about racist remarks. It was political start to finish.

Re: "It was political start to finish."

Absolutely correct.

They saw yet another opportunity to play the race card, the only "weapon" left in their arsenal, and by extension, smear the right yet again.

This wasn't just about Rush.

Rush Limbaugh:

Forget the NFL. Get behind the fastest growing, most exciting sport in the nation. MMA. Sponsor some fighters. It's a lot cheaper. And many of them are very patriotic, support-the-troops kind of guys. Some of them are Special Forces themselves.

Steve Sturm - no kidding, Sherlock, but you obviously (intentionally?) missed my point. To the vast majority of liberals who are in media and are politically active, ALL conservatives are guilty until proven innocent ("guilty" of racism, bigotry, sexism, etc.) And even if proven innocent, they're still considered "guilty" because whatever the liberals are charging fits their narrative/template concerning conservatives.

Hence, the idiocy of Rather's "fake but accurate" and Newsweek's "the facts were wrong but the narrative was correct."

Make sense?

Again, the problem here is that we define Racism as being prejudiced or discriminating against a person or persons based solely on race/skin color.

The Left calls it Racism if they "Think" that you don't like a person of color for any reason.

Rush is not Racist just because he makes observations about skin color, or observations about a media bias toward a person who is black. In fact what he said on ESPN was that the media was Racist. The left has no problem with racism used FOR black Americans which is hypocrisy.

If you see a group of black men in casual wear or suits standing in a group at the gas station or on a street corner you do not immediately feel threatened. If you see a large black man or group of black men wearing sports uniforms you do not immediately feel threatened.

However if you see a man or group of men (any race, I am just using black as an example) wearing "thug" clothes with baggy pants and bandanas on their heads you immediately feel threatened. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THOSE CLOTHES! They WANT to feel empowered by wearing clothes like that and their culture lends itself to violence and hatred.

Then they call racist because the cops get nervous at a group of menacing looking young men gathering together. Or because they get beligerent any time an authority figure like a cop questions them, thus making them look guilty.

The stereotype is furthered by the people who LIKE the stereotype.

As for the bloods/cryps comment; I am sure he is referring to the violence and animosity and not the skin color. Personally I enjoy the game more when that is present, it is what I hoped for in XFL. NFL Blitz live on my TV!

Sadly I was disappointed.

Liberals are showing the hypocrisy on this issue big time. Obama hasn't dragged his cocaine addled ass into the discussion yet. Probably doing a line and having a cigarette as he waits for people to tell him what he thinks.

The intolerant left has been exposed again. ww

Vic, kindly provide the time, date, and location of just when Limbaugh said those things.

A bunch of assholes all saying it happened proves only that there are a lot of assholes.

You among them.

J.

That's a cop out vic. Come on. Tell me that you don't automatically think of blacks when you hear street gangs and ell me that thinking that way is not racist.

Well, Jim, as for me, living in Los Angeles I DON'T automatically think of blacks when the words "street gangs" are referenced. Street gangs here are latino, black, asian...

The fact that you ONLY think of blacks says an awful lot about your own prejudices and ignorance.

But no one would expect someone so dense to understand that.

VIC

Rush was talking about the bad conduct and thuggish behavior that has been escalated on the field.

The Classless NFL Culture

The NFL also saw it and realized players were flashing Gang Signs

I think the players did want an owner that may have wanted a return to sportsmanship.

We know most of the other quotes false and this was taken out of context but people like VIC say this points to a pattern. I do not see the pattern.
Let look at the context of the whole discussion.

Guys sorry for the length of the post but this NFL thing is a real disservice .

"There is a cultural problem in the NFL that has resulted in a total lack of class on the part of professional players. I love the game of football, but after every sack players are acting like they've won the Super Bowl; they're prancing around with these idiotic dances."

RUSH: Well, there a lot of reasons, but basically it boils down to, in my opinion, a lack of class and a lack of discipline on the part of -- and these are young guys, too, for the most part. These are out of college, if they ever went, twenties, a lot of money. You know, Darrent Williams, who was killed in a drive-by shooting in Denver on New Year's Eve after the Broncos lost a heartbreaker in the playoffs. He had been an NBA players party with Kenyon Martin and they are trying to find out if a scuffle happened in there, was he involved in it or not. He had cleaned his life up. He'd come from poor beginnings and so forth, but a lot of people have theories on this. I've heard this uniform black business has roots in gang culture, but I think this is also rooted in you don't diss me, you don't disrespect me, and disrespect can occur with just the wrong glance. There's a hypersensitivity to it, but it's not just black players who are engaging in this kind of behavior.

I think it's a just general decline in class, and you can't leave out the television aspect of this. It gets you on TV, gets you on the highlight reel. There are many, many factors in it. There's no question and it's only going to keep getting worse. When this stuff starts costing team games in the playoffs or even the regular season, I would think somebody somewhere, at the league level or ownership, enough is enough here. Look, we're paying you guys a lot, you are professionals here. This is the best you can be in football in this country. But there's so much money flowing into it now that they may not perceive it as a problem. I don't know how many fans are like me and get disgusted by it. I get disgusted by it because it always ends up affecting the outcome of the game. In addition to just the lack of class overall, all this stuff ends up affecting the outcome of the game. Teams are losing games because of this kind of behavior that they otherwise would win.

And Limbaugh hasn't been damaged by those 'quotes'

Really? Being prevented from becoming an owner of a profitable NFL franchise doesn't constitute 'damage'? I would think the economic damage done to Rush is the one thing his lawyers will be able to prove in court.

But, since Rush is a public figure, the libel/defamation laws scarcely protect him, so most of this is going to be moot, I suspect.

"On the other hand, those folks who might be thinking about going into business with him in the NFL can decide not to for whatever damn reason they want."

I think you're right on this point. But if anyone is going to give an answer for why they decide not to, it shouldn't include slander and explicit false accusations. And if it also comes with a heaping side of hypocrisy, all the worse.

How would you prove economic damage because he wasn't able to buy a minority percentage in the team? Assuming FMV is paid for the team, he is merely exchanging assets (cash for stock), where's the loss?

And while the 'quotes' are attracting attention, do you think that Irsay and the likes of Sharpton wouldn't have opposed Limbaugh even if those quotes hadn't been made up? In other words, Limbaugh could never prove that the sole - or even major - reason he didn't get to buy in was because of these quotes.

Big Mo: I did miss your point, but liberals playing dirty is something conservatives need to stop complaining about and start fighting fire with fire.

Hey Rush - I will contribute to your legal fees if you sue. It's about time someone stood up and faced the cowards that make false claims then hide in the bushes. Too many of us are sick to death of these insipid morons.
Madalyn

Don't forget Charles Johnson, Rush. He sent his repeat of these obvious false quotes on LGF down the memory hole, but he is still calling you a race-baiter and a racist, despite any single racist comment. And he says he won't retract, either, since it's basically 'Fake But Accurate.'

Sound like somebody else you might know? What horrible irony.

And while the 'quotes' are attracting attention, do you think that Irsay and the likes of Sharpton wouldn't have opposed Limbaugh even if those quotes hadn't been made up? In other words, Limbaugh could never prove that the sole - or even major - reason he didn't get to buy in was because of these quotes.

Really I mean it only been repeated on the new and in print multiple times as the reason for not letting him become an owner. Furthermore most of them were used as basis for him being a racist and you cannot have racist own anything were there are a large number of Black according to Jackson.

They forced an outcome that they wanted but now we must think oh it was because of something else.

This is the same crap the Autoworkers pulled. They Whine upper management should not have agreed to our demands. Al the while not remembering the walk outs and week long strikes that they employed to get their way.

I'd say Limbaugh owning an NFL team would be a much more profittable venture than say..? for instance, Barak Obama running GM. Rush knows how to make money, Obama just knows how to spend other peoples money.

"George Soros had said that he and Frederic Mitterand used to travel together to Thailand and Indonesia to cornhole young boys, and that back in the day George's favorite was a little black buttboy named Barack. In return for services rendered, Soros promised to buy him the Presidency of the U.S."

Yeah, just suppose? No, divine.

According to the Forbes Rich List, George Soros is now the 28th most wealthy man in the World.

However Soros would not be a multi-billionaire if it were not for the international language Esperanto.

Born in Hungary in 1930 as Gyorgy Schwartz, the family changed its name in 1936 to Soros, which in Esperanto means "to soar." The deliberate Esperanto name-change was an effort to protect the Jewish family from the rise of fascist rulers and the whole family spoke this language at home.

George Soros used Esperanto to defect to the West in 1946, by attending an Esperanto youth meeting in Ipswich, England.

Esperanto enabled Soros both to defect, and to become a multi-billionaire.

Your readers may also be interested in http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHALnLV9XU Professor Piron was a former translator with the United Nations

Okay guys, come on here. Really.

I thought conservatives were supposed to stand for accountability, for personal responsibility.

Rush is unpopular with many in the NFL because of specific things he's said, including accusing McNabb of being overrated specifically because of his race.

Did liberals make him say that?

Some NFL players don't want to play on a team Rush owns, because they were offended by this and other statements. Should they not be allowed to have their own opinions? Should they not be allowed to say who they do and don't want to play for?

This group of *conservative* investors decided not to include Rush, because they want to make money and his presence would scuttle the deal.

Should they as private citizens NOT have the right to include or exclude anyone as their business partner? Should they be forced to include someone who would scuttle the deal, even if its - gasp - Rush Limbaugh?

Or should Rush accept the consequences of his statements like a man, and go cry into one of his solid gold buckets?

Seriously. This man's some sort of a victim?

I don't see Rush as a victim. I see the NFL as a victim of it's own prejudices.

jim x - "Some NFL players don't want to play on a team Rush owns, because they were offended by this and other statements. Should they not be allowed to have their own opinions?"

Yeah, they can have opinions, but if you think they would not play if he owned the team, or requested a trade you're nuts.

Special note and question for you Rush haters and race mongers, Fergie of the Black eyed Peas is about to become a part owner of the Miami Dolphins.

In the song Pump one stanza reads:

"Niggas wanna hate on us (who)
Niggas be envious (who)
And I know why they hatin' on us (why)
Cause that's so fabulous (what)
I'ma be real on us (c'mon)
Nobody got nuttin' on us (no)
Girls be all on us, from London back down to the US (s, s)"

Their songs as many "artists" songs today are laced with racial overtones and words "whites" could never get away with saying.

So, all you race baiters, why is Fergie allowed to own a piece of the Dophins?

A bonus question for those that have used Rush's drug problems as an excuse, did any of you nitwits have a single complaint about former Colts owner Jim Irsay long and persistent drug problems?

Yeah, I thought not.

Rush is unpopular with many in the NFL because of specific things he's said, including accusing McNabb of being overrated specifically because of his race.

Six years after the fact and people still can't this right. Rush wasn't accusing McNabb of anything other than being a mediocre QB (which is still is!). Period. Rush was accusing the MSM of overrating McNabb because he was black.

Yeah, they can have opinions, but if you think they would not play if he owned the team, or requested a trade you're nuts.

Well I can only go by their statements.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2009/10/09/2009-10-09_black_nfl_players_crush_prospect_of_playing_for_a_rush_limbaughowned_st_louis_ra.html

Kiwanuka and the Jets' Bart Scott made it clear Thursday that they would never play for the Rams or any team owned by the controversial conservative radio host.

...Kiwanuka told The Daily News. "I mean, I don't want anything to do with a team that he has any part of. [Rush Limbaugh] can do whatever he wants, it is a free country. But if it goes through, I can tell you where I am not going to play."

...Scott says players remember what Limbaugh said, and adds that the NFL would be wise not to allow the nationally syndicated host into the league. "It's an oxymoron that he criticized Donovan McNabb," Scott said. "A lot of us took it as more of a racial-type thing. I can only imagine how his players would feel. I know I wouldn't want to play for him. He's a jerk. He's an ---. What he said (about McNabb) was inappropriate and insensitive, totally off-base. He could offer me whatever he wanted, I wouldn't play for him. ... I wouldn't play for Rush Limbaugh. My principles are greater and I can't be bought."

So if you think players would say something like this just to say it - I say you're nuts.

Read this:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/18/defending-the-invincible/