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Hasan worshipped with 9-11 hijackers

This is pretty damning for those who continue to brush aside the Fort Hood shooter's Islamofascism:

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

And in an added twist, there's this titillating tid-bit of news we should all, I'm sure, downplay or dismiss:

Or perhaps, he's [Obama] having to try to figure out how to keep people from finding out that the terrorist who attacked our Soldiers at Ft. Hood was a member of Obama's transition team. He was a member of the Homeland Security Policy Institute. It's on page 32 of the Obama Transition Team documents.
That last link to a PDF titled "Thinking Anew - Security Priorities for the Next Administration".

Poignantly incredible.

H/T Larwyn by email.

Crossposted(*).


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Comments (18)

I pointed out the PDF in a ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I pointed out the PDF in a previous post here.

From all that's already bee... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

From all that's already been said about this piece of crap, I think it's obvious the FBI did a WONDERFUL and MAGNIFICENT job checking into the asshole's background.

Why should it be surprising... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Why should it be surprising? This guy hated the military only marginally more than Obama does.

Obama doesn't want us to ju... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Obama doesn't want us to jump to conclusions...

about Obama.

Given his anti-military and... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Given his anti-military and anti-American leanings, why wasn't Hasan made some kind of czar in Obama's administration? Must have been an oversight.

Next will learn Hasan was a... (Below threshold)
914:

Next will learn Hasan was a member of Obama's Wrongway church.

In a previous post, I put i... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

In a previous post, I put in the following, likening religion to a program running in the brain. And that program causes some serious problems if mishandled. (See the Crusades, the Inquisition, Protestant/Catholic strife in Ireland, Sunni/Shi'a strife in Iraq, and so on...) This doesn't mean that the program can't be useful - but occasionally modifications and patches ARE needed. (The Reformation, the uninstallation of Japan's Shintoism, the forcible deletion of Hitler's Aryan worship, the self-erasure of the Chinese version of Communism as it upgraded itself to be both effective and efficient in improving its country... and yes, I do see socio-political systems as comparable to religions at times.)

So we're asking the question - is this endemic to Islam? Is it a bug, that randomly causes otherwise sane people to shoot people in a BSOD frenzy that doesn't end until they're dead? Or is it a feature, hidden in some obscure submenu until a knowledgeable Iman hits the right key combos and activates it with a time delay?
and this...
Any religion (even atheism) comes down to a matter of programming. (Think atheism isn't a program running in the brain? If there's no God, it doesn't matter whether someone ELSE believes in a God or not - yet most atheists are violently anti-religion. What is that reaction coming from, if not a conditioned, programmed 'reflex'?)

Christianity? Programmed. Hindu? Programmed. Islam? Programmed. Any belief system has to be programmed into the brain, correct?

So item number 4 - the possibility of a violent death at the hands of evil/misguided/psychotic/stupid terrorists... is programmed into the terrorist. Could be a bug, could be a feature - but it's learned behavior, right?

So the question is - how can we patch Islam so this isn't an occurance? Or is it even possible?
I believe it to be something that should at least be contemplated and attempted - because the alternative is getting to a point where its unthinkable. Nuclear weaponry in the hands of a full-scale, 'Kill 'em all, Allah will know his own' jihadist organization is as sure a recipe for epic disaster (as well as epic backlash) than anything else I can think that any terrorist could do.

But I really was rather joking about the submenu with the time delay for a killing frenzy...

Hey, they passed the bill t... (Below threshold)
JustRuss IT1(SW) USN [reitred]:

Hey, they passed the bill through the house. Not to hijack the thread.

"Or perhaps, he's [Obama] h... (Below threshold)
dooz:

"Or perhaps, he's [Obama] having to try to figure out how to keep people from finding out that the terrorist who attacked our Soldiers at Ft. Hood was a member of Obama's transition team."
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Maybe you thought my comment on an earlier post was whacko, when I said this event indicates the possibilities within the military of personal support for Obama vs. the Constitution.

Still think I'm whacko?

Shorter dooz: Obama just gu... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Shorter dooz: Obama just gunned down a bunch of soldiers at Fort Hood.

Yes, you're still a whacko. Not debatable, really.

Don't be such a pussy, and don't mince words. You might as well be explicit and disambiguize your ignorant asininity for anyone unfortunate enough to waste ten seconds reading your vitriolic vomit.

JL: what right does a non-Islamic person have to "program" Muslims? If freedom of religion is so important to the fabric of your nation, then any such attempt would be wrong. Right?

Damning of the PC self-hatr... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

Damning of the PC self-hatred?

I think we've moved beyond assignment of guilt. This is a target rich environment. Keep your head on a swivel.

Hyper -"what ri... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Hyper -

"what right does a non-Islamic person have to "program" Muslims?"

What right do they have to kill us to satisfy the tenents of their religion? Or should we open up a particular area of the country where people can move to who want to be designated 'diers' so the radical version of Islam can get its body count for Allah?

It's funny, I occasionally see the 'Coexist' bumper sticker - and the irony isn't lost on me that one of the religions will not live in peace with any of the others, and in the past all have had their problems. But it seems to me like Judiasm and Christianity have outgrown the 'kill all the unbelievers for our god' phase, so I'd argue that THOSE have been successfully 'patched'.

And there are indeed billions of Muslims who do NOT need patching - they're content to coexist w/no problems at all. What's to be done about the rest? How can problems be averted, before someone decides to nuke NY or Vancouver for Allah?

Hyper, is isn't your rights... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Hyper, is isn't your rights. Where ever you have been hiding please go back. I know you disappeared because canada is having shameful problems and Obama has lied about everything and you are such a devotee of Obama.

Political Correctness and acadamia snobbery aloud this excuse for a human to conduct his business in our military. That religion of peace is something. Huh? ww

This is truly disgusting an... (Below threshold)
Carol:

This is truly disgusting and sickening. Where is the outrage from the Muslim community? I believe "many" are secretly celebrating in their homes because it's another victory for the ideological propoganda ... supported by Obama.

Birds of a feather flock together. From the day Obama started campaigning (and as he continues campaigning now daily) he has defended the "poor victim Muslims". This crap has got to stop.

Willie, you're still illite... (Below threshold)
hyperbolist:

Willie, you're still illiterate and you're still stupid. I love freedom but hate that it's wasted on fetid debris such as yourself.

JL, you didn't answer my question. What's to be done? What can possibly be done to prevent psychopaths from committing mass murder in a free society? Probably a lot harder to do something like this in East Germany, ca. 1960; but then that's a trade-off everyone is happy to make.

Loyalty tests utilizing polygraphs for Muslims only, then? Is that the answer to this problem? Keep in mind that domestic terrorism is an infinitesimally smaller problem in your country than domestic violence or drunk driving, by any reasonable measure.

"Willie, you're st... (Below threshold)
914:

"Willie, you're still illiterate and you're still stupid. I love freedom but hate that it's wasted on fetid debris such as yourself"

From Your lips to a pigs rear. start suckin!

Hyper - let's look at your ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Hyper - let's look at your question again. (By the way, don't try to push agreement - it makes you sound like a used car salesman. "Yeah, the payments are two thirds of your monthly income, but that's affordable, right?")

So -

JL: what right does a non-Islamic person have to "program" Muslims? If freedom of religion is so important to the fabric of your nation, then any such attempt would be wrong.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed in the First Amendment - but its been pointed out elsewhere that the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. And what do I mean by that?

Let's assume some weird-ass religion starts up in California, based on the old Mayan calendar, with 2012 being the end unless he can find 1000 willing volunteers to 'send a message' up to the Gods by way of half-done heart transplants (removal, not replacement) with obsidian implements.

Is it permissable to shut the guy down? If so - we're keeping him from freely expressing his religion. If not - he's going to pile up a body count. It's all rather academic, until the first life is lost. At which point, it's murder... even if it's voluntary by those who laid down on the slab.

As far as 'programming' goes - there's a lot of instances of cultural programming that are unnoticed. You drive on the proper side of the street for your country. You're programmed to stop at a red light while driving. Why? Because it wouldn't be acceptable to go through it. Common sense tells you it's a bad idea - car repairs and medical bills are expensive, and being t-boned by a semi might be fun for a crash-test dummy but not for real humans.

You don't talk during a movie - (unless it's a RHPS late-night matinee) because it's culturally unacceptable to bother the other patrons. In a non-smoking environment, you don't light up. In a vegetarian restaraunt, you don't order the biggest steak they've got. You (well, I'll assume you do) shower regularly, use soap and deodorant. When you answer the phone, there's a culturally recognized way to do so.

Why? Because consideration for others suggests you act in those ways. Subtle programming to be sure, but there none the less.

Are you arguing that it's not acceptable to 'program' Islam so those who slaughter others in the name of Islam aren't seen as heroic martyrs?

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914:

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"Hasan worshipped with 9-11 hijackers"

Next We will learn that Obama broke bread with Hasan.




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