This is these freaks religion.
Too bad they don't have something like the Environmental Ten Commandments.

Can I hear an Amen.
Thank youuu....Tree.

Such blind faith in global warming is astounding. "It has to be warming, we just can't measure it." Well, can You measure the cooling moron?

Don't worry the MSM will be all over this story. Be assured that the media will not rest until they have tracked down the person who hacked into a University's data. Also, out of respect for the University's privacy the media will NOT share any of the hacked data.

Ban them from receiving federal funds and from ever publishing a 'scientific study' again.

Bias my ass, that's outright corruption.

A case of reality following fiction. Read Michael Crichton's "State of Fear".

I'm surprised it's as cool as it is, considering that:
"the center of the Earth is MILLIONS of degrees"
The Smartest Man like EVAH! [aka, alGore]

Unfortunately, Dan, you picked two of the less convincing excerpts to publish.

"trick of adding in the real temps" may be using "trick" as a synonym for "method" or "technique," especially if the method being used is not obvious.

In your second excerpt, it isn't clear which data is being called "clearly wrong." Is it the CERES data that shows "even more warming," or is it some other data that doesn't agree with the CERES data?

You'd have done better to point to this bit from a post at a blog called Briefing Room:

The other paper by MM is just garbage - as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well - frequently as I see it. I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !

Thanks for doing the work the Media wont' do.

Too bad they can't find the email about using 'the dog ate my data' dodge.

Suppose in the next couple of weeks, they'll start screaming about "a NEW ICE AGE"?

McIntyre, of M&M, at Climate Audit has been all over the 'global temperature reconstructions' to which these files and emails pertain.

First up was the Mann, Bradley, Hughes "Hockey Stick". McIntyre's analysis using the files released left to the reader the logical conclusion that fraud was being perpetrated.

This year McIntyre found Jone's colleague at CRU, Keith Briffa, with a Yamal dendro study, was effectively pursuing a parallel track.

The tree rings putatively record temperature by their width, when, in fact, they are more sensitive to H2O and CO2 levels.

The emails, in particular, seem to implicate Jones as a ringleader of the collusion already apparent to statistics experts like McIntyre.

In addition, tax evasion is implied and abetted.

This is fertile soil for litigation against investigators corresponding in the 1000-odd emails released by the hacker.

Another Denial from the Party of No & Fear...., of course the weather patterns are changing, even a fool can see something is happening and that we need to address this situation -- for that too become too late as in the financial crisis, healthcare crisis! Why do we have so many crisis in this country?

It makes no good sense for anyone to oppose healthcare reform. It seems some are more worried about Insurance companies being crowded out due to competition and lower costs than the Health of the people. Or the fact that they are more concerned for the Insurance Compaines that the small businesses who have to pay high premiums for their employees, forcing some out of business or some to set up shop elsewhere other than the United States!

It is too bad that we have a certain group -- the Party of No and Fear -- who are Advocates of Can't, Won't, Shouldn't, Distortion, Fear, Hatred and Divisiveness. They are a dark group, a bitter group. For too long we have been spoon-fed a bunch of lies and fear by these powers who want to immobolize us, paralyze us and confuse us and to keep us circling the Yellow Brick Road!

It is a sad fact that the Afghanistan War too is a false war. These terrorists do not stay in one place or in one country, they are all over. And we are not at war with any one country, this is a fallacy. WE are in a "struggle" with an ideology, yes or evil, yes, but we are not at war with any country. Since, we have terrorists in our own country who are not Muslims, does this make us at war with the United States?

Oh, if we only had a Brain....., Courage....., Heart/LOVE!

"even a fool can see something is happening"

You fill that bill nicely.

As I have said before true science doesn't hide data nor methods. If you read Climate Audit you'll see they struggle to get access to the data and methods used in prominent studies. The sense is that there's a concerted effort by climate alarmists to hide data and methods. The hacked emails show why they want to maintain such secrecy.

Should nations be making trillion dollar decisions based on junk science or should Congress call for an independent audit of the science underpinning the IPCC's assessments as well as the list of studies it rejected. Lets see if the IPCC and it's contributors meet the simple test of transparence that defines true science.

Any paper or study for which the original data and methods cannot be made publicly available should be thrown out. For all other studies, they should be reviewed by several qualified scientists, but who individually don't know who else is doing a review of the same study. Then let them publicly report their findings and we'll see if there's any consensus, and if so, what it is.

If AGW is real then the science behind it will survive such scrutiny. If not, the scammers should be exposed, and regulations put in place to prevent this type of fraud in the future.

Global Warming has always been about nothing but hot air.

Oh Angellight, you called them "terrorists". No, no, no, no, no, no! "Freedom fighters" like George Washington. Didn't you read the talking points??????

As far this global warming stuff:

THE SCIENCE IS CLOSED!!!!!!

Oh yet another clever and insightful contribution from Angelight who, after a passing nod at the actual topic, goes into a barely comprehensible rant about healthcare and the Afgan war. To think that I had survived so many years without such piercing intelligence and sage wisdom.
One can't but help appreciate the irony of someone calling the conservatives the "Party of No & Fear" all the while buying into the Global Warming fear mongering fear fest. Somehow I am a coward because I think that every member of Al Qaeda should be hunted down without quarter; but if some one thinks that a couple parts per million of CO2 is going to destroy the owrld unless we tank the economy first, that is somehow brave and noble.
Angellight: crawl back under your rock.

I've got mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, if these emails are indicative of a massive fraud, I feel it's good that it gets out in the open. On the other hand, hacking into any institution's email is bad juju.

"trick of adding in the real temps" may be using "trick" as a synonym for "method" or "technique," especially if the method being used is not obvious.

7. Posted by wolfwalker | November 20, 2009 10:38 AM.

Sorry, Sir:

I think, by using the word "trick", he was being honest, even if only by accident.

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Awwww Oyster. Your conservative character is an albatross around your neck.

"On the other hand, hacking into any institution's email is bad juju."

I call BS on the "hacking" charge. I think someone with a conscience blew a whistle and the University is using the excuse of "hacking" so they can prosecute/persecute the person. Afterall, if it was from the inside and it is a "whistleblower" there isn't much they can do about it.

American Power tracked-back with (a BIG roundup), 'Global Warming Hoax Breaks Wide Open as Hackers Target East Anglia Climate Research Unit!'.

See...See....Obama is elected and the waters receded and the earth cooled. He fixed it. He really is good! barf.

Rich

angellight "Why do we have so many crisis in this country?"

CORRECTION: "Why do we have so many FAKE crisis' in this country?"

angel [of darkness i.e. head in ass] "It makes no good sense for anyone to oppose healthcare reform."

CORRECTION: "It makes perfectly good sense for anyone to oppose THIS healthcare reform bill" because it collects taxes for 10 years to pay for only five years of coverage.

sen, reid and all the dems who wrote it LIE in short.

I hope you're right Fath+1. It would indicate that conscience and bravery have finally met in the same place in the hostile territory of the global warming clique. I hope a whole bunch of them get exposed for what they are; charlatans.

ROFL!

"Sir, the data doesn't support our hypothesis."
"Well then we can only conclude that the data is wrong"

Queue George Michael... "Ya gotta have faith, faith, faith.."

Don't worry the MSM will be all over this story. Be assured that the media will not rest until they have tracked down the person who hacked into a University's data. Also, out of respect for the University's privacy the media will NOT share any of the hacked data.

I didn't see too much in this stuff to dispute the "science", but these guys seem to have some sort of boys club going on. If they don't like you they make sure you don't get published and then use the fact that you haven't been published to disparage your work. Kind of a Climate Cosa Nostra going on. I get the feeling that most of these guys really believe tin what they are doing but have been drinking the Koolaid so long that can't tell fact from fantasy and they don't want anyone messing with the fantasy part.

Angellight - sigh, another wasted brain.

re; 27

This is not peculiar to climate science. In fact it is not limited to science, but academia in general follows this pattern. Please don't act so surprised.

Oprah announces she's canceling her show in 2011..
""Why would anybody stay in Chicago? It's freezing here, and I have a mansion in Montecito that I haven't been able to enjoy."

Oprah Winfrey.. Global Warming denier!
The Goracle will NOT be pleased..

And AL GORE lying to people and raking in ill-gotten money from his fruad and those annoying jerks from GREENPEACE climbing up on MT RUSHMORE to unferle that stupid banner with obamas ugly face right next to the image of HONEST ABE and stupid ads from ENVIROMENTAL DEFENSE FUND

Your right Flu-Bird,

The stupid banner with obumas ugly mug should be hung on the Kremlin or Reichstag. Not anywhere where freedom is cherished to be sure.

dim angel: "Oh, if we only had a Brain"

If only you did, you schizophrenic numb-skull. If only you did...

So the earth is actually cooling.
That's no big deal, this has never been about the temperature of the earth. It has always been about controlling your behavior, sucking more money out of you, and oh yeah, making a billionaire out of Algore.
Although, there is one thing that will be alarming if it ever cools off. The left-wing liberal fools who have the "hots" for global warming.

Re: 29
The only thing I was surprised about was that they were so willing to discuss this by email. One would think someone capable of obtaining a PHD and who happened to be trying to hide information would be knowledgeable enough to not discuss this by company/university email.

Trenberth, who acknowledged the e-mail is genuine, says bloggers are missing the point he's making in the e-mail by not reading the article cited in it. That article - An Imperative for Climate Change Planning (.pdf) -- actually says that global warming is continuing, despite random temperature variations that would seem to suggest otherwise. "It says we don't have an observing system adequate to track it, but there are all other kinds of signs aside from global mean temperatures -- including melting of Arctic sea ice and rising sea levels and a lot of other indicators -- that global warming is continuing," he says.

2008 was 0.1°C warmer than the decade of the 1990s as a whole - and warmer than any year of last century beside (the El-Niño-enhanced) 1998. The great thing about a robust scientific theory is that it's not dependent on any one line of evidence or the work of any particular individual or group. Most of the research this calls into question are proxy studies of the temperature over the last couple of millennia. This is only one of many lines of evidence supporting AGW, and it is not the primary line of evidence. Even if you throw out every piece of research done by every scientist mentioned in this data, there will still be plenty of evidence to show that global warming is real and created by human activity.

Ultimately this is a tempest in a teacup. The deniers will make a huge deal about it, and it may have an impact on public opinion, but it will have very close to zero impact on actual science.

"2008 was 0.1..."

And where did you get this information? From GISS, or HADCRU, or where? Instrumented surface temperature records have a built-in warming bias and satellite readings have only been around for a few years so what do you base your claim upon? Temperature reconstructions based upon proxies that have to be peer reviewed by the same folks who delete their emails and conspire to suppress opposing views. That is what you've got to go by.

The medieval warm period was warmer than it is now. It was warmer during Pax Romana than it is now. Polar bears were alive then and they are thriving now.

The unscientific behavior of our global warming scientists has really got the Internet buzzing.

If you want to come up to speed on the current debate (if you can call it that), there are two good articles that provide detailed, understandable backgroud:

1.bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2008/8/11/caspar-and-the-jesus-paper.html">Caspar and the Jesus paper- this account describes the global alarmist team's efforts to keep the critically ill global warming hockey stick alive through the use of slight of hand and a rejected paper that somehow comes back to life just in time for inclusion in the IPCC AR4 report. This may shed light on Phil Jone's requests to his team to delete AR4 emails that have been requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

2. bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/9/29/the-yamal-implosion.html">The Yamal implosion this account describes a very recent discovery that Ken Briffa of the global warming team used a small specific sample of tree ring data to show global warming. For nine years, Briffa would not provide the full data set for all of the trees. The Royal Society finally forced him to produce the data. An analysis of the excluded tree data which had been hidden for nine years showed the opposite trend that Briffa had reported in his much-referenced paper. How did Briffa select his subset of tree ring data? We're still waiting for that answer.

So how much 'inconvenient' data, emails, etc have been/will be deleted by the AGW adherents? Once it is gone, we may never know.

Scientists, my ass.

The following article puts things into perspective.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/11/i-read-through-160000000-bytes-of.html

Is it any wonder why the President of the United States wants to grab control over the entire World Wide Web?

>>"trick of adding in the real temps" may be using "trick" as a synonym for "method" or "technique," especially if the method being used is not obvious.

So what you are saying, Wolfwalker, is that where the email refers to a "trick" to hide the decline- to lie to us, basically- what they are really talking about is using a "technique" to lie to us.

Thankyou. My faith is restored.

Check this out...

http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/11/28/the-conspiracy-of-the-centuries-reader-post/

Scary stuff right from the e-mails and Docs.

In 1971, I first encountered the GLOBAL WARMING CULT. Terry McAuliffe was pushing the fledgling global flooding ideology out of a unisex clothing shop called Hang-Ups, in a converted African American Baptist Church, acquired under false pretences and perhaps prophetically christened THE ARK, on South Patrick Street, in Alexandria, Virginia. The Ark was supposed to rival New York's already famed Fillmore East, but folded a short time later due to corrupt business practices.

Although persuasive, the global flooding argument didn't ring true. I knew that NASA, the military and government agencies did extensive climate research, and said as much. If global warming could melt the polar ice caps thus causing global flooding by 1976, the alarm would come from the aforementioned sources. Terry, who had probably named the "ARK" himself, took me aside and explained, when it came to global warming; you couldn't trust the government to tell the truth.

1976 came and went without global flooding, I still had that $45-dollar pair of striped slacks just like Hillary's. I don't know which was worse. I never regretted being booted from the cult (I was hardly ever in), and never expected to run into Terry or his people again, especially decades later in sunny California. Yet there they were on the Central Coast, singing the same old tune, but with some major new accompaniments. Seems they'd applied the global warming hysteria to higher education. Like global warming itself, education now became a massive fraud scheme designed to enrich the Global Warming Cult. By 1995, there was much more to manmade global warming than mere water spotting: http://theseedsof9-11.com