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PC Rubbish at its Worst

Clue by four for CinC SOCOM and CinC CENTCOM

Prosecuting special operators for bloodying the lip of a wanted terrorist will, in the long run, result in a lot more such terrorists being killed resisting special operators attempting to apprehend them.

Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist
By Rowan Scarborough
FOX News

Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq -- the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges, sources told FoxNews.com.

The three, all members of the Navy's elite commando unit, have refused non-judicial punishment -- called an admiral's mast -- and have requested a trial by court-martial.

Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors -- and he had the bloody lip to prove it.

Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

Hint to Echelons Clearly Above Reality: You are fracking up by the numbers.

Hat Tip: DrewM at Ace of Spades

Updates below the fold

UPDATE:

Allahpundit gets it wrong:

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...They're being charged for allegedly giving him a beating and covering it up.

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...Giving the SEALs a zero-tolerance wrist slap reminds other troops not to do anything more seriously stupid that might be exploited politically. And it will be a wrist slap, I'm sure: The last thing The One needs after shipping KSM off to NYC for his close-up is the image of SEALs being hauled off to prison for busting some jihadi in the face. In fact, according to Fox, the SEALs requested a court-martial rather than nonjudicial punishment, presumably because they know full well how awful this looks for the military. Prediction: Wrist slap.

Nope.

Article 15 NJP has limitations set on the level of punishment which can be awarded based on the rank of the commanding officer presiding. An Admiral's Mast is already rather far removed from wrist slap territory, and indicates that the chain of command below that point was unwilling to pursue the matter (clearly by dint of being concerned with operational effectiveness and morale). Demanding a trial by Court Martial is a high risk move by the operators involved, who clearly are of the opinion that they did nothing wrong and who are willing to bet their careers and freedom on a jury of their peers.


UPDATE TWO: Blackfive is not amused:

Let me explain something to you amigo. That wrist slap would be a career-ender in Spec Ops for these men. You understand? We take three guys who accomplish more in a lazy afternoon than you have in your entire anonymous, snarking-from-the-sideline, existence and we put them out of work making dead tangos. And that sounds like what should have happened to this ass clown. If he dies during the take down we have no problems.

I know you have no earthly clue just how god-awful complicated it is to actually perform a raid and scarf up a bad guy, let's just say it rates up there with trying to conduct a Beethoven Symphony with your orchestra in free fall, screaming towards Earth like a phalanx of freaking lawn darts. That is why we like to send a f**king Hellfire down on them and last time I checked that leaves a little more than a god damn bloody lip. And yes I am saying I don't care if he got it once he got to base. What if the guy who clocked his murderous ass knew Scott Helverson, who this bastard helped kill, burn and then defile his corpse? Do you really want to be on record saying he should be made an example of? Do you remember what Kos said about the four men this scumbag killed you dumbass? I'll remind you "F**k them". You are sure in illustrious company.

I realize you get paid to say controversial shite all day long. Every once in a while you ought to take a gander at who gives you the freedom to flap your freakin' gums and think twice before you decide that zero-tolerance demands that your betters suffer for some bullshit like this. Don't offer the PC losers cover, ever. They will use it against my friends.

And in case there is any question, I'm with Blackfive on this.


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Comments (24)

It is crap like this that w... (Below threshold)
Staylor:

It is crap like this that will lead to another terorist attack in the US.
I don't mean the blood on Abed's lip.
I mean handcuffing and prosecuting the people trying to do their jobs and keep us safe. This is insanity, and if it keeps up innocent civilians will pay for it.

WHAT no miranda rights give... (Below threshold)
Marc:

WHAT no miranda rights given?

obama you're fucking up, but we all knew that.

There is a very simple solu... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

There is a very simple solution to all of this bullshit. No prisoners.

I'd like to know who the asshat was that decided to press charges.

I cannot post the words I f... (Below threshold)
Storyteller:

I cannot post the words I feel like posting without getting banned from the site!

Another day, another reason... (Below threshold)
drjohn:

Another day, another reason to hate Obama's guts.

We better stand up to this ... (Below threshold)
Thank You Seals:

We better stand up to this crap or we will be like Europe. Muslims are taking over there, raping women and the progressives do nothing. Screw being politically correct.

This is the thanks our brave men get?

#4 - I agree. I'm sorry Sea... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

#4 - I agree. I'm sorry Seals. Thank you for your service. We're proud of you - even if Obama's not.

And the logical outcome. Tw... (Below threshold)
glenn:

And the logical outcome. Two in the head.

There has to be more to thi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

There has to be more to this story than is currently out there. You screw up in the military and they offer you an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), you're stupid not to take it. However, if you believe you are in the right, then you DEMAND a general court martial as these guys have. Now it's the military's turn to shit or get off the pot.

Once again, who started this chain of crap?

I would presume that sendin... (Below threshold)
Mark W:

I would presume that sending the Seals in to capture someone involved the conclusion that force and violence would be required in the apprehension. To file charges against these men is absurd. To quote "Apocalypse Now," it's like handing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500. Once word gets around to all of the Seals that they will now be court-martialed for doing their job, they will get the clear message that they are not wanted anymore. Say goodbye to the US Navy Seals as an effective fighting force.

After four years of Obama a... (Below threshold)
Eneils Bailey:

After four years of Obama and his Washington Charlatans, we will be lucky if we will have a military/intelligence agency left.
Morale in the military/intelligence agency is quickly going down the shitter and will continue to slide with Chairman Zero in charge.
The need for us to maintain a ready military and intelligence agency has not lessened any over the last year. Obama may think so because all the Socialist/Leftist countries of the world think so.
The people that want to hurt us are sharpening their knives, they see Obama as a weakling and the US as an easier target.
Good luck to each and every one of you.

"Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom th... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named "Objective Amber," told investigators he was punched by his captors -- and he had the bloody lip to prove it."

Seriously, this guy is actually complaining about a bloddy lip?!?! What is it with these jihadist men of the Muslim persuasion? They commit these atrocious acts and then when they are captured they all of a sudden become victims and cry like babies if someone so much as whispers boo in their direction. Next time just use a bullet coated with pig fat and end it right there. Geesh.

Sounds to me like estrogen ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Sounds to me like estrogen poisoning has spread from the White House to the Pentagon.

You can bet the folks pressing this ridiculous crap have never spent a day getting shot at.

Perhaps we should try this case publicly in Manhattan's Federal Court for the benefit of the world press to demonstrate the greatness of the American court system.

re #12It is becaus... (Below threshold)
Staylor:

re #12

It is because they know that with these pansies in charge they can complain about a boodly lip and then reduce the effectivness of the forces used to hunt them down. Most of the radical Muslims current interaction of the west is them exploiting liberal weakness to their gain.

Storyteller: "I cannot p... (Below threshold)

Storyteller: "I cannot post the words I feel like posting without getting banned from the site!"

Amen!

These brave young men refused Non-Judicial Punishment because they refused to be swept under the carpet by the PC horseshit sweeping this country and RUINING our military!

I hope THIS Court Martial gets as much press as KSM's show-trial in New York.

I wouldn't be surprised if ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the liberals want to put them on trial for torture. They have ROE that prevents them from calling in support even during contact and now they want to ROE to prevent any type of violence. What they hell they think war is standing around as targets?

where the hell are the trol... (Below threshold)

where the hell are the trolls? I need to bash something!

re: bobdog "Sounds ... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

re: bobdog
"Sounds to me like estrogen poisoning has spread from the White House to the Pentagon."

No, my God given supply of estrogen (female American) would not stop me from kicking the snot out of people like Abed if given the chance.

I believe wimpiness is a side effect of liberal poisoning that has affected the brain.

May God bless our servicemen and women.

I'd give my left one to be ... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

I'd give my left one to be a fly on the wall in this special CM proceeding.

Way to go Navy. Maybe you could just ask these SEALs to apologize.

This is the great thing abo... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

This is the great thing about PC it leaves no options.
Instead of capture will now be double taps all around.

These has the hand of State Department all over it which we know BHO is micromanaging.

God bless the United States... (Below threshold)

God bless the United States of America's wonderful Warriors -- and that they can see right by the Soros-and other insidious-Svengali-steered sail-eared-simpleton sooky that presently preposterously pretends to what pathetically passes as a "presidency" and to being America's "commander" in "chief" -- and love our beloved fraternal republic and all of the rest of us enough to stay on the job until the presidency is filled, again. Split lips? Hell no - Kick arse!

Per Ardua ad Astra, Men!

Beat downs of prisoners, ci... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Beat downs of prisoners, civilian or military, no matter how evil the prisoner, are illegal. Punishment of criminals is determined by judges and juries, not by individuals doing their own thing. The founders were crystal clear about the right to due process. These SEALS are accused of usurping the justice system, violating clear military, American and international law. American military personnel have no right to violate the law.

As for prosecution, that is their choice. They refused to accept non-criminal military discipline for their actions. They will face court-martial because they wouldn't accept military discipline.

Take no prisoners ..Execute... (Below threshold)
914:

Take no prisoners ..Execute them on the battlefield.

Jeff,He was hit du... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

Jeff,

He was hit during the takedown. That is legal. They are not cops or law enforcement. Once in custody they have to ensure the prisoner safety. But during the capture they use as much force as necessary to redder the subject inactive.




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