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Michael Steele's vision for GOP must be rejected

While a socialist President and far-left Congress have energized conservatives, the fact remains that the Republican Party is missing galvanizing leadership at this point in time. Michael Steele's watered-down ideologies will never fly in a party crying out for true conservatism. His "big tent" strategies have failed miserably. Potential 2012 Republican nominee candidates like Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin are all viable, but none of them will ever be considered the second coming of Ronaldus Magnus. The door is wide open for a politically incorrect, unabashed conservative to grab the GOP by the throat and drag it where it needs to be. In fact, such a leader could take the first step in becoming the next President of the United States if he or she would do these three things:

Initiate or encourage legislation that would prohibit a civilian trial for KSM. President Obama abdicated his own authority in his insistence the decision was strictly that of the Attorney General, but Holder clearly has no jurisdiction over a war criminal captured on foreign soil. A bill forbidding civilian trials for war criminals would tie the President's hands and cause mass panic among Democrats in Congress as the American people oppose this by a 4-to-1 margin. Every single Democrat Senator or Congressman who refused to support such a bill would be beaten over the head relentlessly by their Republican opponent in the next election cycle.

Initiate or encourage a second Contract with America. Simply opposing Obama is not enough to defeat him. A tangible list of conservative solutions must be presented to the American Public. A leader who causes citizens to focus on such a contract that explains precisely how excessive spending is prolonging and deepening the recession and how tax relief to businesses will eventually cause hiring would gain significant political power as Republicans harmonize on such principles in upcoming elections.

Understand independents. One of the biggest political misconceptions advanced by the mainstream media is that independent voters are "undecided" or "in the middle". A large number of independent voters are libertarian or simply to the right of Michael Steele's "big tent" Republican Party. Millions of independents were so disenchanted with watered-down conservatism that they simply could not pull the lever for John McCain. A leader who embraces every facet of conservatism will dominate among independent voters.

The absence of direction within the Republican Party yields a tremendous opportunity for the next genuine conservative leader to emerge. Such an individual will transcend Michael Steele's populist vision.


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First, conservatives need t... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

First, conservatives need to acknowledge how bad the Bush family has been for conservatives. Two incompetent Presidents. Two failed administration. And a family that seemed to work hard to keep from developing the next generations of Republicans. The Bush Family and their supporters have worked very hard to not mentor the next generation of Republicans.

Second, why have a second contract with America when the last one was a failure that the Republicans refused to implement? From 1994 to 2006, the Congressional Republicans refuse to implement a conservative agenda and spent their time porking barreling and getting involved in pointless scandals.

What the Repubicans need to do is stop jumping on every shiny new toy such as Palin or Jindal and start rewarding those leaders that have a long term career of being conservative. The problem is that there are so few of those that it seems pointless to try.

superdestroyer = fail... (Below threshold)
braininahat:

superdestroyer = fail

How many of us can remember... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

How many of us can remember who had Michael Steel's job before him? Who can list the last 9 RNC Chairman, in order and with bullet points of what their major policy positions were? The point is the Chairman of the RNC has never been the leader of the Republican party and the only reason you know the guy's name now is because of the vacuum that is Republican leadership today. Don't look to Michael Steele or any RNC Chairman for leadership, OK? Or as they say in the Obama Whitehouse, capisce?

Superdestroyer, we're all listening, now is the time to tell us: Who do you support? Is it Ron Paul? If not Ron Paul then who are your long term pillars of conservatism we need to reward?

Superdestroyer writes:<br /... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Superdestroyer writes:
"What the Repubicans need to do is stop jumping on every shiny new toy such as Palin or Jindal..."

I think you have made good points in your post, but this particular statement I am not so sure. I like Sarah Palin. I don't know if she is fit to be president (yet) and I don't know if she wants to be president but today she is a woman who draws interest and for the moment that is important. I feel people in this country have about had it with deaf politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle. Gingrich is not a legislator but look at his stupid persistent support of Scozzafava. I mean we really cannot afford lapses like this. I think the Republicans should keep their sights on 2010 and get the job done growing their power in Congress first. It's about 6 years till the next presidential election and this is plenty of time for a solid standard bearer to appear. The public has a very short attention span. Anointing a particular individual now will only lead, I believe, to recognition fatigue. I think Barry is running into this very problem. Does this not seem like one of the longest 10 months in your lifetime to you??

If you do implement ... (Below threshold)
D Tenny:


If you do implement your KSM policy and try thumping Obama over "abdicating his own athority" you leave your party open for attack.

The Failed Bush/Cheney regime (Monarchy) made it easy for Obama to do what he has done. They did it by grabbing up so much power that they answered to no one. When they left the Whitehouse they left it with powers it should no have.

Do you seriously think Democrats will not hit you with it until you no longer move?
The mess the Bush/Cheney rule has left is epic and it will not be forgotten in 3 years or 10 years.
Leave the KSM debacle alone.

I think the remarks made by the person who wrote coment 2 says it all about future "contracts with America". The only thing I would add was said in the KSM comment. People are not going to forget the Bushs/Cheney Monarcy soon if at all.

As for understanding Independents I am all for you doing just that. Do not stop there though. You might want to try understanding the American People again. That would be a welcome and refreshing change.

Yes I am a Liberal. A Christian Liberal who has been talking to conservatives and finding common ground. And everyone I speak to about:

The finger pointing and name calling.

The isum being flung about by the politicians the people and the press.

The childish behavior of our elected officials in constantly pointing out failures they could have prevented if the stood up to Bush/Cheney.

Bush/Cheney is going to be the Republican partys problem for a very long time. It is actually a unifying point for the people you serve.

Thats right I'll say it again. The People you serve. Something your forgot in your three point plan.

The people I have talked to Twittered with are starting to wake up and realize you and the press have forgot about us, we the people. Its different this time. Its a brewing anger twards people who should be helping them and are not. It's different this time because of the state our country is in. That is another unifying factor.


They are starting to realize they have been had by the rhetoric on both sides and to you its all about keeping your jobs. Your jobs that are more important than we the people. Your jobs a lot us do not have. Your jobs with benifits. The benefits you don't want us to have because we might, what, turn into a bunch of raging commies? The jobs you have come to think as yours by right. You serve at the pleasure of the people.

Throw out the three point plan above, stop the childish games, see through scare tactics, the finger pointing, and the name calling and do what you were elected to do and start working together with your counterparts and get this wonderful nation on its feet again.

I am not speaking to just the Republicians, but Democrats and Independents as well. This country needs you all to get to work and solve its problems.
By doing so you put the past behind you. Get your ideas into legislation. And maybe some of you come out as heros intead of obstructionist. We need working heros in our government of the people.
Because that is what we the people need, It is what we want to see and hear from you.


Need help? you could have plenty of volenteers among the unemployed you seem to forget about. Usless it is to bang each other over the head with.


DAveD, Conservativ... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

DAveD,

Conservatives need politicians who are intelligent, sharp, quick, informed, and who have good leadership qualities. The problem with the Republicans is that the entire party invested itself with the Bush families that the entire family have zero leadership ability.

President Bush was so lazy that he had no business being presdient. Palin, Jindal, Huckabee, and the other shiny toy candidates have no business running for president. That have lousy records to run on and have zero leadership ability.

How many people who worked for Palin are still serving in Alaska. Did she mentor others to become the next generation? No, and that is why people like Palin, Huckabee, and the entire Bush family have no busines sin politics.

Wrong.The KSM tria... (Below threshold)

Wrong.

The KSM trial is a biggie among conservatives but not among voters who care far more about jobs and health care than where and how KSM it put on trial, it isn't an issue that drives independent / moderate voters.

The Contract with America II is a tactic, it isn't a philosophy, it is a means of communicating values to an audience, by itself it is nothing. having said that, if the GOP got its act together and focused on conservative solutions to issues that voters care about, they might have a choice. but if Contract II is about issues that don't resonate with the general public, it is worse than doing nothing.

Independents are NOT conservative and pushing hard conservatism isn't going to get those voters to vote Republican next year. It is delusional (and something the Democrats hope you wrap yourself in) to think that there are enough conservative voters to win. A winning candidate has to attract moderate voters away from the Democrats while not losing the conservative base. Obama did this in reverse in 2008, attracting moderates while holding on to the liberals. Pushing, for example, a very hardline anti-abortion policy may please conservatives but it is guaranteed to drive even more moderates back into the Democrats side.

Sorry, forgot to write that... (Below threshold)

Sorry, forgot to write that I agree with you on Steele, he simply isn't ready for prime time. He rode Ehrlich's coattails to become Md Lt Governor (and Ehrlich won only because the Dems nominated a complete loon). He speaks without seeming to consider the implications of his words and the oh-so-easy way the Dems take his words and use them to slam conservatives (if he does think first, that's even more damning).

Preach it brother.... (Below threshold)
G.:

Preach it brother.

"" ... Sarah Palin (is) ...... (Below threshold)

"" ... Sarah Palin (is) ... viable(and) will ever be considered the second coming of Ronaldus Magnus ... ""

And so say all of us -- and so says America's greatest modern president's son:

To whit:

Welcome Back, Dad
By Michael Reagan - September 4 2008

I've been trying to convince my fellow conservatives that they have been wasting their time in a fruitless quest for a new Ronald Reagan to emerge and lead our party and our nation. I insisted that we'd never see his like again because he was one of a kind.

I was wrong!

Wednesday night I watched the Republican National Convention on television and there, before my very eyes, I saw my Dad reborn; only this time he's a she.

And what a she!

In one blockbuster of a speech, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin resurrected my Dad's indomitable spirit and sent it soaring above the convention center, shooting shock waves through the cynical media's assigned spaces and electrifying the huge audience with the kind of inspiring rhetoric we haven't heard since my Dad left the scene.

This was Ronald Reagan at his best -- the same Ronald Reagan who made the address known now solely as "The Speech," which during the Goldwater campaign set the tone and the agenda for the rebirth of the traditional conservative movement that later sent him to the White House for eight years and revived the moribund GOP.

Last night was an extraordinary event. Widely seen beforehand as a make-or-break effort -- either an opportunity for Sarah Palin to show that she was the happy warrior that John McCain assured us she was, or a disaster that would dash McCain's presidential hopes and send her back to Alaska, sadder but wiser.

Obviously un-intimidated by either the savage onslaught to which the left-leaning media had subjected her, or the incredible challenge she faced -- and oozing with confidence -- she strode defiantly to the podium and proved she was everything and even more than John McCain told us.

Much has been made of the fact that she is a woman. What we saw last night, however, was something much more than a just a woman accomplishing something no Republican woman has ever achieved. What we saw was a red-blooded American with that rare, God-given ability to rally her dispirited fellow Republicans and take up the daunting task of leading them -- and all her fellow Americans -- on a pilgrimage to that shining city on the hill my father envisioned as our nation's real destination.

In a few words she managed to rip the mask from the faces of her Democratic rivals and reveal them for what they are -- a pair of old-fashioned liberals making promises that cannot be kept without bankrupting the nation and reducing most Americans to the status of mendicants begging for their daily bread at the feet of an all-powerful government.

Most important, by comparing her own stunning record of achievement with his, she showed Barack Obama for the sham that he is, a man without any solid accomplishments beyond conspicuous self-aggrandizement.

Like Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin is one of us. She knows how most of us live because that's the way she lives. She shares our homespun values and our beliefs, and she glories in her status as a small-town woman who put her shoulder to the wheel and made life better for her neighbors.

Her astonishing rise up from the grass-roots, her total lack of self-importance, and her ordinary American values and modest lifestyle reveal her to be the kind of hard-working, optimistic, ordinary American who made this country the greatest, most powerful nation on the face of the earth.

As hard as you might try, you won't find that kind of plain-spoken, down-to-earth, self-reliant American in the upper ranks of the liberal-infested, elitist Democratic Party, or in the Obama campaign.

Sarah Palin didn't go to Harvard, or fiddle around in urban neighborhood leftist activism while engaging in opportunism within the ranks of one of the nation's most corrupt political machines, never challenging it and going along to get along, like Barack Obama.

Instead she took on the corrupt establishment in Alaska and beat it, rising to the governorship while bringing reforms to every level of government she served in on her way up the ladder.

Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time around.

Michael Reagan is a syndicated radio talk-show host and the son of former President Ronald Reagan.

PALIN/PETRAEUS/2012!

THEN SUPPORT ME. I researc... (Below threshold)
Andrew Grant White:

THEN SUPPORT ME. I researching running for POTUS and - if I do - it will make Sarah Palin seem establishment by comparison. It will also make history, if successful. I would be the first non-politician and youngest President ever.

Here's the draft political platform that's being honed on Facebook (friend at Andy White' Political Wall):

Citizen Andrew Grant White for President (R)
American Renaissance
Live, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness

Platform - Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

We get the leaders we demand. However, it is said that there is no current GOP leader who can win against Obama in 2012. If so, why don't we look elsewhere - say 'Citizen White goes to Washington'? I admit my political qualifications are threshold, as I am but a common man - but with uncommon experience and ability. At a minimum, I know how not to destroy an economy and lose a war. At my best, I - unique among candidates - assert the policies and will to help our nation to walk not just toward economic renewal, but an American Renaissance. I will listen and return power - misappropriated by elites for almost a century - back to The People to help prepare for the second 250 years of the American Experiment.

To that end, I offer up this potential political platform - Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness - fully aware of the daunting nature of actually following through. It is a work-in-progress, but NOT a wish list. Comments are encouraged - regardless of political leaning - and may be incorporated. Please remember that my goal is to revitalize the nation for the next 250 years with an American Renaissance of the Individual. We get there not by reflexively locking positions, but by strongly stating a view, listening through the lens of Classical Liberalism and acting on the subsequent decision with honor vs calculation. Thank you.

Cheers,
Andy


Life

* Health care - Deregulate insurance into personal non-taxable HSAs across state lines, study legalizing marijuana only (cost benefits vs. health)

* Education - Promote college proliferation, Eliminate (college subsidies, teacher's unions, tenure)

* Amendments: Gay marriage/civil union ban, Reparations/Affirmative action ban, Abortion/Embryonic stem cell/Human cloning ban, Abortion ban except in cases of rape or incest or medical danger to mother, Equal legal treatment of Congress and Citizens

* Repeal Amendments: 16 (Income Tax), 17 (Direct election of Senators), 26 (Voting age to 21)

* National ethos: Liberty over equality, individual achievement/creativity, critical thinking/objective truth, no political indoctrination (e.g. multiculturalsim, global warming), back to basics with American principles, individual curiosity/informed citizenship, end entitlement mentality, everyone pays, personal and community responsibility, globalization retraining, reaffirm faith's importance (personal IS professional), every opinion counts, anti-Statism in all forms, confident mature superpower, historical/Constitutional re-education (pros and cons), fight wars to devastate/rebuild, zero tolerance on illegal drugs (but possibly devolved to States)


Liberty

* Executive Cabinet: Eliminate (Education, Trade Rep, EEOC, Czars), Combine (Agri/Trans/Interior/Energy/EPA, HHS/HUD/DOL, Defense/Veterans), Complete agency review for potential shutdown/privatization (e.g. ATC, post office, school vouchers/home schooling)

* Federal reform: Term limits, Single bill mandate, Maximum bill length, Must read bill read with quorum present, Sunset provision on all Laws/Regulations/Independent agencies, 2-week bill posting unless war declaration, Veto power over Supreme Court decisions with 75% vote, Recall power, Originalist judges only, repeal campaign finance laws, no party designation on ballots, no lobbyist revolving door

* Defense - Comprehensive flexible military, Cross-intelligence gathering with legal protection, Harsh terrorist interrogation, No terrorists imprisoned on US soil, Criminal profiling of known terrorist types, Reclaim ownership of Internet

* Immigration - Eliminate anchor baby and chain migration policies, Expand LEGAL immigration with profound education and assimilation, English-only public institutions, strict border enforcement, deport illegal residents

* Foreign relations - Withdraw from UN/IMF/World Bank/Treaties not in America's best interests, Redesign global architecture (no NWO), Big stick policy (North Korea, Iran, Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Venezuela, Russia, Islam), Complete pullout of Iraq, Wipe-out Taliban/Leave Afghanistan, Revise rulebook, Prosecute treason and carry out public live execution

* Energy - ANWR/offshore/onshore drilling, nuclear power expansion, clean coal, oil shale

* Prohibit: Unions political contribution without membership vote, National non-military security force, Government ownership of industry, Subsidies/stimulus, Censorship (i.e. Fairness Doctrine, Localization, net neutrality, media), Outlaw [ACLU (RICO), CAIR (national security), NAMBLA (criminal)], set maximum indexed jury awards and % allocated to lawyers), national education (free thought and mature discussion of pros and cons - NO PC)


Pursuit of Happiness

* Solvent GAAP-standard government balance sheet (e.g. CLOSE Medicare/caid and Social Security shortfalls), Cut spending and entitlements collectively by -50% in REAL terms (-5% each year for 8 years), very minimal/temporary safety net, grandfather those already receiving benefits

* Cut all forms of tax by -50% (phased in), Eliminate (income/death/capital gains/corporate taxes/government guarantees/automatic withholding) in favor of flat or sales tax for ALL, any tax increases require 2/3 approval, limit total (on/off) budget to 20% of GDP / shut government down if actual spending exceeds budget during fiscal year

* Pay down 50% of debt, Tax receipts in excess of budget automatically refunded or debt retirement

* Eliminate IRS, audit the Fed (potentially end it), potentially re-institute gold standard, split companies deemed too big to fail, reduction of bankruptcy term from 10 to 3 for anyone who discharged debts from 2007 - 2010

* Reduce Federal Register by 50%, reimburse for devaluation of property due to regulations

* Eliminate: Tax-exempt status and class action ability for environmental groups, no environmental regulations involved in setting industrial policy

I absolutely believe that S... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I absolutely believe that Sarah Palin has the potential to be another 'Reagan.' Whether she is only time will tell. The parallels between Palin and Reagan should be obvious to any objective observer. Palin is a fearless leader, unafraid to make the big calls. She puts it out there while others stand around holding their hats.

Reagan was viciously attacked as a dumb, vacuous celebrity -- as is Palin. Both are former governors. Palin has great conservative instincts. As I watch and listen to her I only become more impressed. Palin is the person liberals fear most. That should tell you something.

Palin is so stupid, I would... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Palin is so stupid, I would not trust her with the remote control to my television, let alone running the executive branch.

Serious discussions of Palin just demonstrate that the Repubicans are not serious about governance, policy, leadership, or the future of the U.S.

Palin would make George W. Bush look like a genius.

Another candidate like McCa... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Another candidate like McCain = disaster for republicans and conservatives.

I only voted for him as he was only slightly better than Obama.

You are not going to convin... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

You are not going to convince anyone superdestroyer unless you

USE MORE CAPS!!11!1!1!!1!!!

superdenier is projecting a... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

superdenier is projecting again. While loudly pointing at the vacuous celebrity of Palin, he helped to elect a genuine vacuous celebrity who is quickly losing his sheen, and should have never been trusted with the executive.

Here is a well-written evisceration of the common assertions of Palinophobes that should be read by all. Written only for those who wish to think rather than emote.

I'm going to have to disagr... (Below threshold)
Deke:

I'm going to have to disagree with a previous poster who say's that Republicans can't win independent voters with a conservative message. Most Independents are conservative, most like me were former Republicans who could not stand the "big tent" philosophy of the current leadership. I was advised to stay in the party and work to bring true conservatives up for primaries, the only problem is the machine/leadership refuses to do so, precienct chairs and such are so full of themselves and treat the little power they have as if they are the second coming. A prime example is the NY race, they would rather win and put up some left wing loonie with an "R" after their name than a candidate that runs on principal.

John "Tanning Booth" Boehner, Olympia "I'm a Socialist" Snowe, John "fight with me my friends because I wont fight" McCain; the list of ineffectual, inside the beltway, ego laden, incompetent leadership among the Republicans means I can't, in good conscience, support them.

I think the same poster is right in that we are jumping on any new "shiny toy" that comes down the pike, but I truly think it is because we and by extension the vast majority of Americans are becoming increasingly desperate for SOMEONE to reflect and espouse our beliefs and ideals. Ronald Reagan was the last man to do so and what did he do? Just win 49/50 states, many say without some election shenanigans in Minnesota, he would have won all 50, the greatest landslide in electoral history and a CLEAR mandate, not one media produced.

Until the Republicans change their entrenched leadership and start rewarding those few conservatives that have remained principaled, they are doomed to failure and continuing repetions of failed cycles.

Deke

Every Democrat I know agree... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Every Democrat I know agrees on this...

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Sarah Palin in 2012!

Michael Steele IS a liberta... (Below threshold)

Michael Steele IS a libertarian. His libertarian vision is now thanfully the libertarian vision of the Republican Party, and we libertarian Republicans are extremely thankful for that.

We luv ya Michael, and back you 100%!

Eric Dondero, Publisher
Libertarian Republican

PS - If I had one wish, it would be for all these non-libertarian posers and these Newbie "libertarians," who don't know jackshit about our movement, to stop spouting off about who is and who is not a libertarian. That's for us veterans of the libertarian movement to decide.

Sarah! Sarah! Sar... (Below threshold)
914:


Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Sarah Palin in 2012!

Finally We agree!

Every Democrat I know ag... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Every Democrat I know agrees on this...

That is a bald-faced lie of liberal condescension. If it were true, Democrats would be encouraging her candidacy, as they did the candidacy of John McCain, instead of attacking and ridiculing her. No doubt about it - liberals LOVE John McCain.

"Palin is so stupid, I woul... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

"Palin is so stupid, I would not trust her with the remote control to my television, let alone running the executive branch"

Was this the platform you used running for prez in your 7th grade mock elections?

I'll bet you believe the "Obama is a genius tripe". If he is I'll take Palin. Matter of fact lets compare how Palin turned around the corrupt rat's nest of Alaska in two years compared to what Obama's done to the US in 9 months.

* Which one showed fiscal conservatism and a balanced budget (hell, even a MOVE towards a balanced budget)?

* Which one addressed corruption?

* Which one had a 70% plus approval rating?

* Which one was doggedly pursued by her political-turned-personal enemies/media requiring spending much personal bucks defending herself?

* Which one was never vetted or even given reasonable scrutiny by the media and handled with kid gloves as he blundered thru the financial crisis paying back donors and creating reelection slush funds, apologizing to our adversaries, punking off our allies, dithering on a decision to reinforce our troops as they dangerously muddle thru in the middle east. And of course now he's going to force socialized medicine down our throats while granting our enemies citizen rights and a platform to humiliate us on th world stage.

Sorry pal, I'll take the "dumb" one.

Eric, you spout off making ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Eric, you spout off making gratuitous assertions about Steele with nary a supporting fact in sight. Here you go. Consider me one who 'does not know jackshit':

Rush Limbaugh declares that the agenda of Barack Obama needs to fail. Michael Steele responds, when he was interviewed on CNN, Rush is an "entertainer" and his comments were "incendiary and ugly."

Steele went on to agree with DL Hughley that the GOP convention literally looked like the Nazi Party."

Steele also went out of his way to praise ACORN!!!

Steele asserts that Republicans are afraid of him because... wait for it... he's black.

Michael Steele, guest-hosting on Bill Bennett's radio show, repeatedly distanced himself from Republicans and conservatives who attacked Sonia Sotomayor, saying the assault risked damaging the party.

With friends like these, who needs enemies? Frankly, I don't know what planet you are on. Judging from your blog, you seem to espouse conservatism. I think you confuse libertarian with wimpatarian.

For all of the delusional P... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

For all of the delusional Palin-ites.


Ask yourself what state or what demographic group that supported Obama in 2008 would switch to Palin in 2012. The group that abandon the Repubicans in 2008 were the middle class and upper middle class white suburbanites. They are white collar workers with graduate degrees who are worrying about good schools and getting their children into a good college.

Who does someone who attend four universities and whose children are too stupid to go to college appeal to them?

Does Palin appeal to any non-white, non-blue collar voters? No.

It takes more than winning Utah and Alabama to be President.

The Republicans will never be competitive instates north of North Carolina until they get serious about policy, governance, and leadership. Palin in the last candidate in the U.S. that would help the Republicans on governance, policy, or leadership.

Ah reckon if them unemploye... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

Ah reckon if them unemployed people jest vote fer Palin, that mite be enuff to beat Obamer.

Who does someone who att... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Who does someone who attend four universities and whose children are too stupid to go to college appeal to them?

Really? Really? You don't exactly strike me as having a towering intellect yourself.

Sloppydenier, just on your ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Sloppydenier, just on your post alone is a reason to vote for Palin. She will be the next President of the United States and that drives the idiot liberals wild because she will return this country to its roots. If you were not so afraid of her that you soil your undies, why is it you do not pay attention to the truth she speaks. Have someone literate (hire them if you do not associate with someone who is able) to read her book to you. Bush did much more in his life for the country than the current pretender.

I like Michael Steele, but ... (Below threshold)

I like Michael Steele, but he's lost his luster since rising to GOP chair. His organizing & fund raising skills are top notch, although, as Mr. Orfi rightly pointed out, his "watered-down ideologies will never fly in a party crying out for true conservatism." His backing of Dede Scazzafoza is a glaring example.

Sarah Palin is a fireplug, and maybe a senator someday, but I don't think she will ever be presidential material. I think her best service will as the new GOP chairman - replacing Michael Steele.
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klrtz1, A large po... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

klrtz1,

A large portion of those unemployed people are black and Hispanics who will automatically vote for President Obama's re-election.

First, everyone has to realize that the Palin has zero chance of winning any state that Gore carried in 2000 or Kerry carried in 2004. Also, Palin would probalby lose Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, and Virginia.

There is just not enoughblue collar suburbanites and rural whites for Palin to win. Outside of Wyonming, Alaska, Utah, and a few states in the deep south, where are states that Palin can win a majority of the votes.

Republicans just have to realize that President Obama is going to be re-elected in a landslide and should concentrate of developing candidates for the long term and trying to become the serious party. Candidates like Palin and Huckabee are not serious and will do more harm in the long term than not even having a candidate.

superdenier,Your r... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

superdenier,

Your racist divisions notwithstanding, there are still enough Americans who are not Communists left to oust Obama. By the time Obama is finished, a sheepdog will have a better chance of getting elected. Keep whistling past the graveyard. A reckoning is coming.

SD,seems like your basicall... (Below threshold)
Rich:

SD,seems like your basically saying for a lot of people to just give up their values and principles. Seems so easy. Just give up. It only hurts a little at first,then it gets much easier to take it over and over again.
Personally I am not willing to just give up. I like Palin. I like what she stands for and what she says. I don't care about blue collars,blacks,hispanics,whites,reds or any other little demographic you seem to be concerned with here. That is for political bean counters that got us where we are right now.
Maybe Palin and Huckabee will not run or some other conservative will rise up. As far as I am concerned I will back up the ones that hold up conservative American values rather than someone who just appeals to whoever they are standing in front of at the time. That is what will work for the long term.

Deke: .I disagree that most... (Below threshold)

Deke: .I disagree that most independents are conservative. They're more conservative than liberal but they're not conservative in the way conservatives would describe themselves. Look at the spectrum of voters: from the right, hard conservative, semi-conservative, mushy middle, soft liberal and hard liberal. There are many more semi-conservatives and mushy middles who aren't voting republican than hard conservatives who are boycotting the GOP because the GOP isn't conservative enough, because the GOP is going big tent. If the GOP goes hard conservative, they're going to lose to the Democrats two votes from the middle for every one vote they pick up from the right. It's basic marketing, sometimes you take your core market for granted in order to go after current non-buyers.

Steve Sturm"It's b... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve Sturm

"It's basic marketing, sometimes you take your core market for granted in order to go after current non-buyers.
"

That ummmm worked so well with McCain.

Meanwhile the left picked the most liberal person in the US Senate and won the election.


super nitwit "Republic... (Below threshold)
Marc:

super nitwit "Republicans just have to realize that President Obama is going to be re-elected in a landslide"

Not with approval ratings at or below 50 percent he won't.

Good post. That 61% of Ind... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

Good post. That 61% of Indies disapprove of Oblabla's performance, is not a de facto approval of the GOP. None of the misguided have returned or defected upon realization of their error voting for O.

At the same time, lawyers and legislators are not a prime source for leadership.

If those people listened and expected no great benefit to their career as a result, they might be thought 'public servants'.

And btw super nitwit.... <e... (Below threshold)
Marc:

And btw super nitwit.... "and should concentrate of developing candidates for the long term and trying to become the serious party."

That is ref to the repub party.

That's opposed to that much smarter party that has members pushing a "war surcharge" to pay for the Afghanistan war.

Or much smarter party that disregards obama's "promise" to change how things are done in DC and bribe someone with 300 million dollars for her vote.

Yeah, you keep thinking that tripe, it will bite you in the ass soon enough.

Marc, How many tim... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Marc,

How many times in the period from 2001 to 2006 did the Republicans increase spending without paying for it or pork up a budget with ear marks and special legislation.

If the Republicans want to survive long term, the Republicans need to find candidates who have a chance of winning a state North of Virgina or East of Missouri.

Bush won New Hampshire in 2004 and now a Republican cannot get elected dog catcher in that state. Until the Republican find candidates that can win in New Hampshire, Colorado, Ohio, etc, they all of the infatuation with the unknown candidate is insane.

Palin is not the candidate to lead the Republican Party into becoming the serous party. Palin in a continuation with the Bush family candidates who were never serious and disinterested in governance.

President Bush was so la... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

President Bush was so lazy that he had no business being presdient. Palin, Jindal, Huckabee, and the other shiny toy candidates have no business running for president. That have lousy records to run on and have zero leadership ability.

Substitute "Palin, Jindal, Huckabee, et al" for "Obama" and you just described the current administration.

Which shows that as long as (D) follows your name, you CAN have all those faults after all.

supernitwit "How many ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

supernitwit "How many times in the period from 2001 to 2006 did the Republicans increase spending without paying for it or pork up a budget with ear marks and special legislation.

Umm.... everytime.

How many times between 2006 and 2008 did the dem controlled Congress do the same thing?

How many times did obama sign a budget that was porked up beyond all recognition AFTER promising to not sign any bill, budget bil or otherwise, that contained earmarks?

WAIT, don't answer that, the answer is once... and counting.

Marc, The Democrat... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Marc,

The Democrats campaigned as the big government, big spending party and they are delivering on their promises. The Republicans campaign as the small government, less spending party and then pork up the bill. The Republicans are bigger hypocrites than the Democrats because the Democrats are honest about wanting to maximize the size of the government.

Republicans should realize that deficit spending is bad because it causes the government to grow because it provides government on a discount.

Palin or Huckabee are not the ones to cut spending in DC. They are as big as spenders as President GW Bush was and they appear just as uninterested in the wonkish work required to make real cuts.

The Democrats campaigned... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

The Democrats campaigned as the big government, big spending party and they are delivering on their promises.

Nice try. More lies. Democrats lie about who they are and hide their true agendas. A gullible public actually believes them. Witness Bill Owens who broke four campaign promises his first day in office.

Obama campaigned as a 'centrist' who would be open and transparent, ushering in a new age of 'bipartisanship.'

Everything you people do is based on a mountain of lies. You are so pathological you even believe your own. It's pathetic.

Steve Sturm,Unfort... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Steve Sturm,

Unfort., when people make the claim that Independents aren't conservative and there is no way that conservative candidates can win outside the South or a few Western states, they make the mistake of "assuming" that conservatism equates to a bunch of beer-bellied, Rebel Flag waving, homosexual hating, minority bating bigots. I put the word Assume in asterisks b/c everyone knows that when you "Assume" you make an ass out of you and me.

Conservatism is an ideology supported by most, whether it's lower taxes, less government regulation, note not ANY governement, just limited to the powers stated in the Constitution. Conservatives favor life over the convience of the immature, they want to see a strong defense and secure borders, note they don't "hate" immigrants, as a matter of fact encourage LEGAL immigration and assimilation.

Now these are things favored in poll after poll by the majority of the people and if one takes 40% for both sides being hard core one way or the other that leaves 20% to swing it and if more than 50% are favoring those things that must mean, mathematically, that a majority of Independents must be conservative in their political thought process.

Your right in the facts that Conservatives must do a better job of clearing the negative images associated with the philosophy but to state that they Can't win with it, I would once again point to one Ronald Reagan, who was an unabashed Conservative and will probably go down as one of the greatest if not the greatest president in the 20th century; hard to argue with a 49 state electoral landslide.

Presidential Candidate Obam... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Presidential Candidate Obama:

"When George Bush came into office, our debt -- national debt was around $5 trillion. It's now over $10 trillion. We've almost doubled it. ... But actually I'm cutting more than I'm spending so that it will be a net spending cut." -- Obama, during an Oct. 7, 2008, debate in Nashville

Obama campaigned on spending cuts. Instead he quadrupled the deficit his FIRST YEAR.

Deke, The country ... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Deke,

The country does not freakdown 40-40-20 but on 45-38-17 or so. The Democrats benefit from having more automatic Democratic voters than the Republicans have automatic voters.

However, the groups that are automatic Democratic voters are growing (blacks, Hispanics, government workers, academics, lawyers) whereas the number of middle class, private sector employed whites is shrinking.

Palin solves none of the competence issues that he Republicans have, solves none of the demographic issues, solves none of the governance issues, and solves none of leadership issues. Palin is just an extension of the Bush Administration.

The Democrats proposed new government programs and new government entitlements are they are delivering. The Republicans talked about small, well run government and delivered the incompetence of the Bush Administration.

Until the Republicans put competence, ability, know, and performance ahead of being infatuated with the latest craze, the Republicans will continue to be irrelevant.

I wonder how many of the Palin-philes will be talking about Bob McDonald or some other Republican who has been in office a couple of months.

Note to Patriotic Liberals,... (Below threshold)
gary gulrud:

Note to Patriotic Liberals, Christian Liberals, Pragmatic Liberals, etc., of D. Tenny's persuasion:

Obama was your chance to show what you had, that you could work together with us in post-racial, non-factional America.

You lied. You're lying now.

Until the Republicans pu... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Until the Republicans put competence, ability, know, and performance ahead of being infatuated with the latest craze...

And... Obama is supposedly some shining light in the competence and ability and performance departments?

I guess I've just got a different standard than you, SD. Obama quit the community activist gig because he wasn't making a difference. He's apparently so embarrased he hasn't released his college transcrips, so we don't know how he did - but he apparently didn't have to work his way through college like Palin did.

Obama's 'management' experience seems to begin and end with the Annenburg challenge - where $200 million was supposedly spent on the lower-performing Chicago schools to raise their ratings. $200 million later - nothing improved. Test scores didn't budge.

His one achievement as a State senator was the Grove Parc debacle. He wangled his way into the US senate, and did... what?

I guess it makes you feel good to think of him as some super-achieving genius - but his record's REAL short on anything showing he actually knows how to manage, or lead, or to judge correctly what would be best for his consitutency as a State senator. He's real smooth with a good script and a teleprompter - but that's about all he's really got.

Now he's the President - and his lack of experience is really impressing folks on the right AND left.

We're really in for interesting times, I'm afraid.

"Michael Steele's vision fo... (Below threshold)
914:

"Michael Steele's vision for GOP must be rejected'

So He's not perfect! But ..At least,, He's kinda sienne grey!

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!... (Below threshold)
914:

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!
Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

Sarah Palin in 2012!

Finally We agree


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

JLawson, Whatever ... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

JLawson,

Whatever President Obama did not go before being elected president did not matter. He had a tremendous advantage of not being President Bush. He also had the advantage of being more articulate and he listened to his advisers. In a country with a hostile MSM, the Republicans need well informed, knowledge, articulate candidates who can manage their staffs and who can listen to their staffs.

Look at how the last few Republican candidates (Dole, Bush, and McCain) appeared to be incapable of listening to their staffsm incapable of reading and understanding their briefing books, and incapable of managing their staffs.

Palin is the last candidate who is going to change the Republican party perception of being a bunch of inarticulate idiots who are too lazy to do their homework and do stupid to manage the government.

Oh, I disagree, SD. They l... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oh, I disagree, SD. They listened to their staffs - they didn't listen to the people.

But don't worry - you'll see just how much Obama's staff will help. The guy's going to leave a crater if he doesn't start paying attention to the people. And it could well be argued his staff (and his preconceptions) are a major problem that's been getting more and more apparent with time.

As far as what he didn't do - you're not seriously arguing that his LACK of any relevant experience except playing Chicago machine politics is a plus, are you?

C. Edmund White has a good ... (Below threshold)

C. Edmund White has a good post on American Thinker ( Hating Sarah ) concerning Republican timidness and referring to "moderate pundits and strategists afraid to choose corn flakes without referencing a focus group report"
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I get the impression that S... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

I get the impression that SuperD is an extremist- just what kind of extremist, I don't know. Extreme lefty, Extreme righty, Paulite, Laroucher...
Whatever, I have to agree with him about 2 things that he seems to be getting flak for:

'Dems are expected to be big govt types and Reps are expected to be small govt types.' This is absolutely true. I don't care what Obama campaigned on, we all knew he was a big govt-type, right? And Reps get into trouble when they try to be Dem-lite, right?

'Obama/Sarah had no/little experience'
Also true. Obama was a blank slate and people just projected the traits they liked onto him. It still boggles my mind that people did this, but they did. Pure flimflam.
Sarah is an almost-blank slate. She has more experience than Hillary and WAY more than Barry, but she still has a way to go. She needs to travel a bit more internationally and nationally, get a bit more experience, write & deliver speeches or position papers. I'm neither a fanboy nor critic of hers, but I'm not dismissing her for a 2016 run. 2012 might be pushing it a bit.

super nitwit "Whatever... (Below threshold)
Marc:

super nitwit "Whatever President Obama did not go before being elected president did not matter."

Really do ya think?

So in your feeble mind obama's yes vote on the bank bailout in Oct. 2008 allows hi, and you, complete immunity from blame?

Marc, President Ob... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

Marc,

President Obama had the attribute that most Americans wanted in the election of 2008: He was not President Bush and he was not a Republican.

After eight years of incompetence, stupidity, and arrogance, the voters fired the Republicans. President Obama had the added advantage of getting an increase in black voter turnout to help win in states like Virginia. President Obama's resume had the only important credential: he had not worked for the Bush Administration nor been a Republican in Congress between 2001 and 2006.

So the Republicans need to find candidates who have none of the attributes of the Bush Administration. The Republicans need experience candidates with a resume full of good governance, good management, and good conservative principles. The Republicans need to find candidates who are well versed on the issues, have a broad base of knowledge, and who are almost wonkish. And last, the Republicans need to find charismatic candidates

And last, the Republican... (Below threshold)

And last, the Republicans need to find charismatic candidates

54. Posted by superdestroyer | November 29, 2009 7:08 PM .

I'm old enough to remember when Ed Koch defeated "charismatic" incumbent Jon Lindsey for Mayor of New York City with:
"We've tried charisma. How about competence for a change?"

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"And last, the Republicans ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"And last, the Republicans need to find charismatic candidates."

You know, that 'charisma' thing's not working out too well for Obama so far. He promised a lot of stuff to a lot of people and isn't delivering... not because he doesn't want to (though it could be argued he didn't have much intention in the first place) but because it's literally politically impossible.

There is MUCH more to being President than looking good and dazzling the crowds with your eloquence. If you value flash over function, that's your choice. But don't be surprised if under the chrome you find really fragile plastic where you were expecting something a bit tougher.

The Republicans are at a se... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

The Republicans are at a severe handicap when it comes to functioning with the media. Nominating dud candidates such as Dole and McCAin leads to defeat. Nominating inarticulate candidates makes the work much harder.

The Republicans need candidates who are media savy, charismatic, and capable. President Bush was none of those thing and now the Republicans are a minority party with every demographic trend going against them. The Democrats nominated John Kerry in 2004 and he had no charisma and he lost.

Since Palin has zero ability and little charisma, she has no business running for president. She is the Dan Quayle of 2012.

Re: Since Palin has zero ab... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Re: Since Palin has zero ability and little charisma,..."

Little charisma?

You must be joking.

Or delusional. It's hard t... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Or delusional. It's hard to tell which, sometimes.

Obama's charismatic and gotten the media to bend over and drop their trousers for him - but I don't see a whole lot of anything resembling competence in matters financial, national, or foreign. The guy's WAY above his pay grade, bumbling along from crisis to crisis.

SD, it's time to come out of the echo chamber and see what's real as opposed to what you want to see.




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