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The term "outsourcing" has been bandied about for years, becoming political fodder for politicians trying to score points with constituents, at the same time demonizing corporations. Outsourcing is a particularly common practice in the information technology field, where they can go outside of the US to employ foreigners who will work for much lower wages. Though the wages of these foreign workers are much less in their country in comparison to what they would earn in the States, it is often much more then anything which is offered in their native land.

While outsourcing is an appalling practice, especially when magnified during times of high unemployment, there is a much more insidious practice which occurs every year right. Let's call it "insourcing."

The main avenue for this is the H-1B visa. It allows corporations to temporarily hire foreign employees for 3 to 6 years. The biggest employers who partake in this practice are in high-tech industries, especially in the information technology and computer fields.

This insourcing allows corporations to hire non-U.S. citizens at a lower wage rate then their U.S. counterparts.

Often, companies will announce mass layoffs, firing American workers, then replacing them with younger, cheaper workers though the H-1B visa program.

There is no law which requires companies to lay-off H-1B workers before firing American and legal citizen workers. This gives the obvious benefit to the employer of getting rid of the higher paid American employee while retaining the lower paid foreign worker.

Currently, the cap on H-1B hiring is 65,000 per year. That cap has reached 195,000 in the past.

Some of the largest users of this visa are some of the biggest companies in the country:

1. INFOSYS TECHNOLOGIES 4,908
2. WIPRO 4,002
3. MICROSOFT 3,117
4. TATA CONSULTANCY SERVICES 3,046
5. SATYAM COMPUTER SERVICES 2,880
6. COGNIZANT TECH SOLUTIONS U.S. 2,226
7. PATNI COMPUTER SYSTEMS 1,391
8. IBM 1,130
9. ORACLE 1,022
10. LARSEN & TOUBRO INFOTECH 947

The country benefiting the most from this visa program is India.

H1b_demographics.jpg

India is also the largest country to which the U.S. outsources employment.

There are very little meaningful restraints placed upon companies which chose to use this visa.

They are not required to hire American citizens before applying for the H-1B visa program. They do not need to show that there are no available U.S. workers to fill the position. Employers are not required to hire a U.S. worker who possess the same qualifications as an H-1B worker. And a company can replace an American worker with an H-1B worker for no reason.

It is a shameful practice, one which has nothing to do with a shortage of skilled U.S. workers, and everything to do with hiring cheap labor.

Though this has been enabled by politicians who have a vested interest in obtaining campaign contributions from companies which employ this practice, two senators have attempted to instill some sanity to the situation.

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) and Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) have introduced in November the Employ America Act:

WASHINGTON, November 19 - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) today introduced legislation to prohibit major firms that lay off large numbers of American workers from hiring cheaper foreign labor through temporary guest worker programs.

Sanders, a member of the Senate Budget Committee, said, "With the unemployment rate still climbing and millions of people looking for work, we have a responsibility to ensure that companies do not use the temporary guest-worker program to replace American workers with cheaper labor from overseas."

Grassley, ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, said, "Our foreign guest worker programs are in place to fill employment needs where there is a shortage of American workers, not as a subterfuge to hire cheap labor. With the unemployment rate over 10 percent, companies that undertake mass layoffs shouldn't't need to hire foreign guest workers when there are plenty of qualified Americans looking for jobs."

Recently, industries that have hired tens of thousands of guest workers from overseas have announced large-scale layoffs of American workers. The high-tech industry, a major employer of H-1B guest workers, has laid off over 345,000 workers since August 2008. The construction industry, a major employer of H-2B guest-workers, has laid off more than 1.5 million workers since December 2007.

A national disgrace.


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Oh, wow, what a surprise! ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Oh, wow, what a surprise! Some of the most "liberal supporting" corporations in the US tend to hire outside workers. I'm SHOCKED!

Doesnt everyone in the US h... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Doesnt everyone in the US have the right to shop say, at whatever grocery store they want?

I have no problem whatsoever with companies hiring what they feel is the best candidate for the job. Way too damned many US workers go to work, and F off some of the day.

I see it where I work, and in so many of the businesses I frequent. Maybe when some people know their job isnt as secure as think it is, they'll start to give their employers 100% effort. Many dont!

Dear GianiDWhy am ... (Below threshold)
BluesHarper:

Dear GianiD

Why am I suspicious of whether you give 100% ?

"There is no law which r... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

"There is no law which requires companies to lay-off H-1B workers before firing American and legal citizen workers."

No laws, but union contracts almost always protect American workers over temporary foreigners.

Oh, I forgot - you conservatives like to lick the hands of big corporations, and always favor faceless companies over your fellow Americans who choose to be union-represented.

In that case - quit your whining about workers on Visas - you're getting what you worked long and hard for -- the shaft. Bend over and enjoy it.

Vic

You can thank the Sober Ted... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

You can thank the Sober Ted Kennedy for that H1B proviso in the immigration law too.

Does the phrase "Smoot-Hawl... (Below threshold)
Scott_K:

Does the phrase "Smoot-Hawley" mean anything to anyone?

Restricting trade in labor (vs goods) will yield similar results.

Dumbass wrote:<block... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Dumbass wrote:

Oh, I forgot - you conservatives like to lick the hands of big corporations, and always favor faceless companies over your fellow Americans who choose to be union-represented.

Michigan's unemployment rate is 15.1%, Dumbass. Enjoy it.

http://www.mlive.com/michigan-job-search/index.ssf/2009/12/us_unemployment_rate_edges_down_to_10_fo.html


Vic,No la... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Vic,

No laws, but union contracts almost always protect American workers over temporary foreigners.

Yes, we see how well the UAW protected American workers by increasing labor costs so much that manufacturers were forced to move plants to Canada, Mexico and overseas. If not for foreign companies like Toyota and Honda opening plants in "right to work" states there would be almost no viable automobile manufacturing inside the U.S. You only need to look at Michigan and California to see the ruinous consequences of big labor.

Every company's unemploymen... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

Every company's unemployment rate is already tracked and their unemployment taxes are increased when they start laying off workers. A better approach would be to use that same rating to limit the number of H-1B visas a company would be allowed. That way it impacts companies that abuse the system without panelizing companies that are using the H-1B visa program for its intended purpose.

Vic,If posts were ... (Below threshold)
Shawn:

Vic,

If posts were "scratch and sniff," yours would smell like a hobo's ass.

As far as your union protection line, I don't think Intel or Microsoft are unionized.

Most Americans don't "chose to be union-represented." If it's a union shop, you want to work, you join.

Is this the best you could do? Attacking conservatives over an article that has no right or left tilt?

You are such a worthless prick.

Blues, It's simple... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Blues,

It's simple, I have the balls to base my income on my production. If I want to work twice as much, or not take a lunch, etc, I dont have a union puke telling me to pace myself. If I want to take 2 weeks off to go to islands, I do that too. Only I can determine wat I am worth in the workplace.

Sadly, this article infers that someone other than the employer determines an employees value.

Everyone in the US should have at least 1/4 to a 1/3 of their income be incentive based. Americans have become lazy. How many would do a better job if they could make more?

On a side note I have alway... (Below threshold)
Staylor:

On a side note I have always thought it ironic that the smae politicians that demonize outsourcing are usually the same ones who are trying their hardest to raise taxes and endorse unions.

Didn't Boeing worker... (Below threshold)
justpassingthrough:


Didn't Boeing workers recently voted out the union?

"If posts were "scratch and... (Below threshold)
BPG:

"If posts were "scratch and sniff," yours would smell like a hobo's ass."

That's hysterical. :) Seriously, the H1B program is seriously abused. Petitions are given on the flimsiest of grounds, and it's too easy for an H1B, once in the country, to switch jobs without ever being noticed.

Unlike the F-1s, which have SEVIS to contend with, the H1Bs have no such system.

"Oh, I forgot - you conserv... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Oh, I forgot - you conservatives like to lick the hands of big corporations, and always favor faceless companies over your fellow Americans who choose to be union-represented."

So that explains all the corporate donations to Team Barry! Right VIC?

This used to be our immigra... (Below threshold)
halfacarafe:

This used to be our immigration policy. We induced well educated foreigners to come to our shores and integrate within out melting pot to be the best and brightest. Now we have the most uneducated pouring over our borders to fulfill the lowliest of our domestic choirs and hardest labor at the lowest possible wages. Therefore, throwing illegals into a lifestyle that overburdens our health system, criminal system, and social systems. The answer is not to make more laws to hinder achievers to enter our ranks, but to offer them citizenship to retain their knowledge and pass that onto their U.S born children. This is what made America great. Repeal the laws that have allowed large corporations to skirt this decrease in pay and allow all business's large and small to take advantage of well educated immigrants to have the full access to America's future with the promise of citizenship and pay for their expertise.

Here are some numbers for... (Below threshold)
Will:

Here are some numbers for Natural Science and Engineering degrees earned by country. What is not mentioned is that more than half of the degrees conferred in the United States go to foreign students. Chinese and Indian degrees are somewhat inflated by including lesser 3 year programs but it is more than offset by their students that attend foreign universities. Remember that by IQ the top 10% of the population of India and China is greater than the entire population of the United States. Where would you shop for the best and brightest?
This is the google cache instead of the excel doc.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:I5smHq6N8foJ:www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf09308/tab1.xls+www.nsf.gov/statistics/infbrief/nsf09308/tab1.xls&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Why do people idolize these... (Below threshold)
Bart:

Why do people idolize these foreign workers? Yes, a few are bright and hardworking, but the vast majority are ordinary rank-and-file workers with common skill sets. Many Americans have more experience, better education, and the same or better skill sets, but are being passed over for employment. Sure there are fees and some red tape to getting a foreign worker here, but it is more than offset by the ability to classify them lower and pay them less. Also, it is disturbing to learn how many of their resumes and credentials are fraudulent - a significant percentage. There may be as many as 3 million of them here, because the cap is cumulative (each year) and can be extended beyond 6 years via a number of loopholes. Companies can bring these workers in without even allowing Americans to apply for the opening. We already have a genius visa that has no cap. Time to curtail or stop guestworker visas!

I may have been wrong abou... (Below threshold)
Will:

I may have been wrong about more than half of U.S. NS&E first degrees going to foreign students. Double checking, I confirm that it is true of advanced NS&E degrees but I can not verify it for bachelors. The numbers are the numbers and they make the H1-B visa workers economically attractive (i.e. CHEAP).

I have never understood why... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

I have never understood why liberals like Vic want a union boss in addition to their regular boss. In fact it's even worse than that, Vic wants a government bureaucrat boss, too. Is it because having all those bosses means you never have to feel responsible for anything, ever? Is it just plain old CYA and nothing more, Vic?

On H-1B visas, the Democratic Party has pushed these for years. That's reason enough for me to be against them. More proof the Democratic Party liberals insist you knuckle under to them first if you want to have a job.

If you can come up with th... (Below threshold)
Will:

If you can come up with the kind of money these companies can for lobbyists and campaign financing, you can probably get whatever kind of legislation you want
from Republicans or Democrats. Plus a few earmarks for an awesome return on those expenses.

In my opinion... H-1B good,... (Below threshold)
Ken:

In my opinion... H-1B good, outsourcing bad. Some positive comments on the H-1B program:
1. There's work integration rather than complete outsourcing. As someone in IT, it's much better to integrate people in the team locally rather than have the us vs. them approach of outsourcing.
2. When someone is here on an H-1B visa they contribute to the local economy purchasing goods and services. Outsourcing is a complete drain on our economy except for potential corporate savings (I still don't buy that it works).
3. Typically a company would bring talent to the states compared to what you see outsourced. I'd rather have immigration come from this pool rather than what we typically talk about.
4. Without the H-1B program a company is more likely to move more work offshore.

I read this blog all the ti... (Below threshold)
Chakademus:

I read this blog all the time, and mostly agree with you, but this time you are wrong. H1B workers are not lowly paid serfs, there are laws requiring that they be paid prevailing wages. Also, there is stiff regulation of the H1B system, leading to high overhead cost to a company trying to hire a foreigner. In sum, hiring a H1B worker is not as cheap as you seem to think, in fact it would usually be cheaper to hire a US citizen. The only reason the average company would jump through the hoops to hire and retain a foreigner is because that individual's skills and knowledge are needed and not readily available. Are there companies that skirt the rules and abuse the system? Of course, like everything else, no system is perfect. However, do not demonize a large swathe of people with incorrect information.

Please realize also that many of these people were educated in US universities. Should they come here, get the knowledge then take it and go develop another country? Is that smart? Educated people are productive and drive innovation, and some country will benefit from their skills, it will be either the USA or our competitors. We need smart policy, not xenophobia

I've often wondered why lib... (Below threshold)

I've often wondered why liberals demonize companies for off-shoring, when it seems so in line with their general ideology.

Essentially it reallocates wealth (in the form of jobs) to countries with a lower standard of living and higher rates of poverty. I suppose where it falls apart is that liberals prefer their charity when someone else (preferably wealthy) is writing the checks. However, compared to countries like India, our lower middle class could be considered pretty wealthy.

I'm just sayin'....

Thank you Shawn for writing... (Below threshold)
P Henry:

Thank you Shawn for writing about the abuses of this visa program. Very few journalists cover this issue because they don't want to lose their own jobs. Go to this site to see how little the foreign slaves are paid compared to Americans in the same field http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseH1B.aspx

Chaka,"Serfs" is y... (Below threshold)
Shawn:

Chaka,

"Serfs" is your description, not mine.

You seem to operate under the assumption that Americans are unwilling or unable to preform the jobs for which these foreign workers are selected.

While there are "prevailing wage" laws, they are often abused by the employer.

Please forgive the length of this post, but the information is pertinent (This information is provided by Norman Matloff, a Professor of Computer Science at The University of California. He is an expert on the H-1B program):

"Two congressional reports and a number of academic studies have shown that H-1Bs are often paid less than Americans.

-Underpayment of H-1Bs is usually done in full compliance with the law. The problem is primarily NOT one of lack of enforcement or fraud. Instead, the problem is gaping loopholes in the law.

-For example: The law and regulations do not require that the prevailing wage account for "hot" technical skills. These command a premium of 15-25% in the open market. Thus one can see immediately that the government prevailing wage is typically lower than the true market wage. Thus the prevailing wage law is no protection for U.S. workers, and since the DOL PERM data show that most employers pay only the prevailing wage or very near it, it is clear that most employers are underpaying their H-1Bs.

-The use of foreign workers for cheap labor pervades the entire tech industry, INCLUDING the large, mainstream firms, and INCLUDING the foreign workers hired from U.S. universities. It is NOT limited to the "bodyshops."

-Age is a core H-1B issue. Most H-1Bs are under 30, and since younger workers are cheaper than older ones in both wages and health care costs, employers use the H-1B program to avoid hiring older (i.e. 35+) Americans.

-There is no tech labor shortage. No study, other than those sponsored by the industry, has ever shown a shortage. HR departments routinely exclude CVs of applicants they deem "too expensive"--those that are over age 35. (So managers never see these CVs, and mistakenly believe there are no applicants.)

-Shortage arguments based on comparison of American K-12 math/science scores to those of other nations are red herrings, based on misleading averages. It is also rank hypocrisy, since the same employers who claim that "Johnnie can't do math" are laying off tens of thousands of Americans who had been top math/science students when they were kids.

-The world's "best and brightest" should be welcomed, but only a tiny percentage of H-1Bs are in that league. Meanwhile, the H-1B program results in many of our own best and brightest U.S. citizens and permanent residents being squeezed out of the market once they accumulate 10 years or so of experience, and worse, many top college students are discouraged by H-1B and offshoring from pursuing the field in the first place. In other words, H-1B is causing an internal brain drain of American talents.

-Though the industry lobbyists claim that the importation of H-1Bs avoids the offshoring of work, the visa is actually used to facilitate shipping the work abroad.

-The National Science Foundation, a key government agency, actually advocated the use of the H-1B program as a means of holding down PhD salaries, by flooding the job market with foreign students. The NSF added that the stagnation of salaries would push domestic students away from PhD study, which is exactly what has happened. Former Fed chair Alan Greenspan has also explicitly advocated the use of H-1B to hold down tech salaries.

-The per-capita rates of entrepreneurship and patents among immigrant engineers have been similar to, or lower than, those of natives. Indeed, Prof. Jennifer Hunt, much cited by the industry, found that
After I control for field of study, in the middle graph, and education, in the bottom graph, both main work visa groups [i.e. H-1Bs who came directly to the U.S.] and student/trainee visa holders [H-1Bs who first came to the U.S. as students and later entered the job market under the visa] have statistically significantly lower patenting probabilities than natives...
Thus the displacement of the American workers has not produced a net positive effect.

-Proposals to establish fast-track green card programs to retain the foreign workers are misguided. First, in the EB-1 green card category, which is for outstanding talents, waits are short. Second, and more importantly, the foreign workers are mostly young, and would still crowd out American workers of age 35+ even with green cards.

-Other than a minuscule exceptional category, H-1B employers are NOT required to try to fill the jobs with Americans before hiring the foreign workers.

-The claims that each H-1B creates four new jobs are based on faulty statistical analysis and are obviously fallacious anyway. Filling the jobs with qualified Americans would have the same job-generating effects."

As far as people from other countries coming here to educate themselves and then going back to their own country, I really don't have a problem with that, as long as they don't use that education for nefarious purposes.

Considering most of these people come from poor countries, education is paramount to the success in combating poverty and eliminating the caste system.

I hardly think that someone wanting to protect the American worker and their ability to be educated and hired, should be described as acting out of "xenophobia."

Promoting American workers over foreigners is good for the economy, the strength of our workforce, and our overall national security.

-Shawn


RE: "The main avenue for th... (Below threshold)
kevino:

RE: "The main avenue for this is the H-1B visa."

No, the main avenue for this is the process of shutting down operations in the US and buying products and services provided abroad. The classic example is the destruction of our manufacturing capacity in this country in favor of products made in other countries. The other are services (e.g. IT and product support) being done in places like India and China so that companies can lay off workers doing those jobs in the US.

Part of this is due to the economic pressure put on companies and the availability of cheap labor abroad, but the biggest reason is that government regulations increase the costs of doing business in the US - especially for manufacturing. The goal in certain quarters is to reduce pollution and increase government's role in the economy - even if that creates unemployment. It is thought that it is better for the country to have less pollution - even if it creates more unemployment.

Consider, for example, "clean energy". You can run an economy - of sorts - using wind power, but how many windmills do you need to be able to produce enough energy to smelt aluminum and steel needed to build more windmills (or anything else)?

I believe it was Speaker Pelosi who said that the one bright spot in the economic downturn is that the country is making progress in climate change. And don't expect concerns about unemployment to stop the Democratic agenda on cap-and-trade, or healthcare.

vic "No laws, but unio... (Below threshold)
Marc:

vic "No laws, but union contracts almost always protect American workers over temporary foreigners.

Yeah if by "protect" you mean force wages so high a company has to outsource jobs to remain competitive with the market it operates in.

vic "Oh, I forgot - you conservatives like to lick the hands of big corporations, and always favor faceless companies over your fellow Americans who choose to be union-represented."

Choose? That's damn few idiot, the UAW, SEIU, AFL CIO, NEA, AFSCME and about a dozen more of the top unions all REQUIRE you to be a member.

All for the princely sum of from 2 to four hours of your hourly wage be "given" to the union per month for your "right" to be a member.

And NBTW vic you did notice obama's so called "job summit" had more union representation than any other segment of the economy.

Obama sucking at the teat of SEIU is NOT going to help the economy in the slightest bit.

Can anyone explain to me wh... (Below threshold)
Ken Hahn:

Can anyone explain to me why ignoring the twenty million illegal aliens in the United States, refusing to control the border and permitting those who employ them to get away with it is not a thousand times the scandal of either outsourcing or insourcing? 195,000 visas? Maybe a million jobs outsourced? Bad enough. But try to get an entry level construction job or many skill building positions and you have no chance. If you're a citizen or legal resident you'll want luxuries like workers' compensation, social security, actual job safety and even, in some cases, minimum wage.

You can get all hot and bothered about job loses but until you get serious about illegal immigration and the Democrats' plan to begin the game all over again with "comprehensive immigration reform", you are treating a case of ebola with aspirin.

Can anyone explain... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
Can anyone explain to me why ignoring the twenty million illegal aliens in the United States, refusing to control the border and permitting those who employ them to get away with it is not a thousand times the scandal of either outsourcing or insourcing?

Twenty million illegal aliens take away maybe 10 million low paid jobs and often the employers withhold at least the FICA tax and that goes into the system. These illegal aliens also spend most of their money here in U.S. on food, housing, utilities and such. When a company outsources a job overseas the entire cost is deductable and no FICA tax is paid. Also, the money overseas workers earn is completely gone from our national economy.

The U.S. has lost whole industries and professions to foreign competition and outsourcing. That weakens the economy far more than either legal or illegal foreign workers coming to the U.S. to work. Not that we shouldn't put an end to illegal aliens (there's an easy solution), but it's far more important to limit the exportation of good paying jobs.

GianiDYou say you se... (Below threshold)
odd1:

GianiD
You say you see "Way too damned many US workers go to work, and F off some of the day. "

Unless your job is to observe others, I would have to conclude you are not productive and could very well find your job on the chopping block during the next down sizing.

Sorry, but in my 20 years i... (Below threshold)
Faith+1:

Sorry, but in my 20 years in the tech industry I've had just the opposite problem...so many problems with getting H1B's approved it isn't usually cost effective.

Sponsoring an H1B often costs in excess of $10K for the initial certification. Salary reviews are often done and you are required to set H1B pay scales to a national average--depending on location that is often higher than what your local economy is.

I have two open programmer positions right now and can't fill either with H1B applicants because of the initial costs and because I would have to pay them $5k/year more than the going rate for the same talent.

When researching this issue be sure to look at all the facts and not just the ones that suit your premise. The H1B is not some "cheap, serf labor force with easy pickings". That is a hyperbole that is an exaggeration of the reality.

Shawn,This post is... (Below threshold)
Clavius:

Shawn,

This post is not worthy of your past work. It is way over the top.

Go back and read Adam Smith. Anything that increases productivity is good. Paying more for anything is counter-productive. It costs more jobs than it saves. And I know, I'm in the firing line in this matter.

Sigh.

Out-sourcing/body shopping ... (Below threshold)
Go:

Out-sourcing/body shopping is one thing.
Cross-border body shopping/off-shore out-sourcing is another.
And off-shoring is a third.
Body shopping encourages cross-border body shopping, which encourages and facilitates off-shoring.

Yes, the government, notably the NSF, wanted to increase the numbers of foreign students and create the H-1B visa program to drive down compensation. Their primary target was people with PhDs, because that's where they direct most of their unconstitutionally obtained and processed grant money. They knew that expanding the F program and creating the H-1B program would drive US citizens out of these fields which would no longer produce sufficient value for the money, time and effort invested. The results show as a higher percentage of foreign students/lower percentage of US citizen students in these fields, exactly as they'd planned in the 1980s. US students are savvy to the economics. Degrees in these fields do not generate the additional income and employment security for US citizens necessary to cover their total costs as compared to other options available.
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ07NSFKnew.html

According to USCIS, over a hundred H-1Bs are approved each year for applicants who lack the equivalent of a US high school diploma; thousands are approved for people lacking the equivalent of a US bachelor's degree. According to US DoL, the vast majority of H-1B recipients are in the bottom 25% in terms of talent, knowledge, and experience.

This is not about being "best" or "brightest". There are gifted US citizens, Mensa members, people who used to be creating great new products and presenting papers at conferences who are suffering from long-term unemployment and under-employment (in fields which do not leverage their STEM knowledge).

"U.S. engineers... [are] more creative, excelled in problem solving, risk taking, networking and [have] strong analytical skills..."
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ200707.html#20070702

"Dozens of employers asked to compare American engineers to their much-vaunted colleagues from India and [Red China] agreed that 'in education, training, quality of work, you name it, in every which way, Americans are better'. Even the best schools in those countries 'don't hold a candle to our best schools.', he continues. Newly hired American university graduates 'become productive within 30 days or so. If you hire a graduate of an Indian university, it takes between 3 and 6 months for them to become productive.'"
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ200801.html#20080104

"Dynamic" US engineers vs. "transactional" foreign engineers.
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ200512.html#20051213
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ200512.html#20051227
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ200601.html#20060110

Meanwhile, gifted, creative, industrious US citizen STEM workers are being actively avoided by some immigration lawyers (who are not paid fees when US candidates are hired).
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ08BypassingAbleUSCits.html

There never was, nor is there a shortage of able and willing US citizen IT or STEM workers. On the contrary, some studies indicate that, for several decades, we have been turning out several times as many as the job markets have been fully employing.
http://www.kermitrose.com/econ01NoShortage.html

This is not a conservative ... (Below threshold)
American:

This is not a conservative or liberal issue, it is an American issue. Really think about what it is to be an American if its ok to replace Americans in their home workplace with people from other countries. What does it then mean to be a citizen? To live here and raise our kids here? No one should be guarunteed a job, but on the same token, Corporations shouldn't feel free to decimate local work forces only to increase Executive pay. Look at the bank accounts of these high tech firms and tell me that they can't afford Citizen talent? Non American guest workers were invited on the premise that there was a shortage of American workers. Look at the unemployment rate and tell me that we have a true shortage?

The rhetorical race war was... (Below threshold)

The rhetorical race war was started by your Indian outsourcing patrons, and we American techies are now taking it to the next level. Note the many instances of violence against Hispanics in response to the flood of illegal aliens from south of the border. Expect the same against the cheap, low-skill indentured servants with H-1Bs.

Thugs like Sarvesh Kumar, head of Desi bodyshop Apex Tech, who exploits H-1Bs, sues them if they report his scams, and then sues Americans like me for reporting his frauds. Read more:

http://tinyurl.com/ydjg7bv


The H-1B is a high-tech slave trade, nothing more. Now the AFL-CIO is on the case, 2 bills are pending in the Senate to abolish it, and Infosys, etc. is getting caught practicing anti-American bigotry and discrimination and is getting dragged into court.

http://endh1b.com/Web/blogs/endh1b/archive/2009/12/05/breaking-infosys-bigotry-scandal.aspx

BTW, nice blog! Keep it up!




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