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This stands, the United States as we know her, falls

The mere fact that we've reached this point is symbolic of how far this once great country has already fallen... but if these brave men are punished for bringing a terrorist to justice, then it's over... it's done... America's preeminence is finished... and Obama's worldview, one focused on what America does wrong rather than on what she's done right, prevails.

What in hell are you going to do about it? Watch this and at the end, get a damned clue. That we've reached this point is bad enough, will we allow it to get worse?

H/T to GatewayPundit.

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Yes, but thanks to Chris Ma... (Below threshold)
Maggie Mama:

Yes, but thanks to Chris Matthews we know exactly where this Administration stands ... the military is the enemy.

But...but...but...we want e... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

But...but...but...we want everyone to LOVE us!

The video quotes the Al-Qua... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

The video quotes the Al-Quaida manual to use the system against itself. It seems that even terrorists read Alinsky.

Congratulations Rick. You r... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Congratulations Rick. You rang the bell on 2 out of 10. Not bad.

Why I Parted Ways With The Right

Opinion | Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:49:45 pm PST

1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)

2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)

3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)

4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)

5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)

6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)

7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)

8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)

9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)

10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)

And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.

I won't be going over the cliff with them.

Judging from the declining traffic in the right wing blogosphere more and more Americans are making the choice to not go over the cliff with the right wing nutcakes that now dominate the conservative blogosphere.

Hate is a powerful emotion, and hate seems to be the primary engine driving the conservative movement in America. Blaming Obama in the post above -- another perfect example. Since when does America not rely on it's system of justice? Since the conservative movement in America said so, that when. If these SEALS are innocent they'll prevail.

But look at how much their hate drives the daily dialog - using every excuse they can muster and spread their hatred across America. These people are ready to let US corporations fail, let more Americans go out of work, let the damn planet melt -- all because they hate so much.

America will prevail, but not before the haters do their best to drag this country down.

Vic

Yes, it's really too bad th... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Yes, it's really too bad the current administration has made all our military deployments "police" actions where the battlefield detainee's have to have their rights read to them before they are brought to trial in American courts.

I for one do not give a damn if the rest of the world likes or hates us. I want terrorists and ESPECIALLY ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS to get the clue that their acts will not be tolerated and swift and sure retaliation for them and their enablers will come.

Just kill them on sight. A ... (Below threshold)
Pretzel Logic:

Just kill them on sight. A dead body can't testify. [email protected]#% 'em. This is sickening.

PS...VIO, you can ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

PS...

VIO, you can have Ponytail boy.

He's gone completely over to the far left side of the blogsphere. Further over even than you and that's saying something.

BTW, he has a total lock on hate when it comes to people that don't agree with his point of view.

Haters?"He betraye... (Below threshold)
Nancy's Nazi:

Haters?

"He betrayed this country, he played on our fears" - Al Gore

"I think this guy is a loser" - Harry Reid

"We're seeing the president and (Vice President Dick Cheney) emerge as liars." - Rep. George Miller

"They're carrying swastikas and things like that." - Pelosi

I see what you mean. And that's just the politicians. Gawd forbid I get quotes from the DU, Huffpost, or the KOS.

"America will prevail, b... (Below threshold)
914:

"America will prevail, but not before the haters do their best to drag this country down"

So stop hating You jackass..

8. A right-wing blogosphere... (Below threshold)
Cliff:

8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)

Why don't you start a left wing website? (as if there aren't any)

VIC -Johnson bans ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

VIC -

Johnson bans immediately anyone who disagrees on his site. No dialog, no rebuttal - just a quick removal of the user and a tidy sanitization of the offending statements, and presto! None of that unpleasant disagreement that so disturbs and disrupts the 'reality-based' crowd when they get into that self-love mode.

You're okay with that, right? It's not censorship when the LEFT does it, correct?

Vic's long bullshit post ab... (Below threshold)

Vic's long bullshit post above is, well...long and chocked full of bullshit.

Your ignorance, as usual, is staggering.

The fact that ANY type of prosecution was sought in this case is tremendously damaging to our military in general, and the SEALs specifically.

Remember, this terrorist isn't even claiming he was tortured. His claim is that in bringing him in someone punched him in the mouth. THAT'S IT. And four of the bravest men in the world, having captured one of the worst TERRORISTS in the world...are facing PRISON SENTENCES because of this?

You're insane up, Vic...and you and your ilk are determined to leave us defenseless. Lord Obama is, of course, the leader of your misbegotten ilk.

VIC- I'm done playing with... (Below threshold)
zaugg:

VIC- I'm done playing with you f*cking leftwing twats. You and your ponytail Little Johnson can step up and get beat down. Your commie drivel is pushing our once great country to the edge and I know many real Americans that are sick and tired of it.
There is a storm coming.

Vic,I read no hate o... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Vic,
I read no hate of Obama in Rick's post. Obama's worldview is as he describes, ie. focused on what America does wrong rather than what she has done right. Instead of fabricating hate out of a legitimate assertion, why not argue his premise. That is that Obama's worldview will lead to the downfall of America's pre-eminence. The treatment of these young men is an indication of that. No solid evidence of abuse but a court martial trial nevertheless. One of the original Constitutional obligations of the federal government is to provide for the common defense of the nation so I take very seriously how our service people are treated in carrying that out. Of course you might be one of those who not only fabricates hate where there is none but also fabricates other Constitutinal mandates like universal healthcare, universal access to abortion, right to education, etc. People like you are just as thin-skinned as the President himself when Obama is criticized. I guess racism is so yesterday so you just decided to go with the generalized hate meme today.

I agree that this case is h... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

I agree that this case is horrid treatment of our fighting men, and I further agree that the Obama Administration is, at best, unable to recognize the worth of these men and their peers; sacrifice and duty for the country is something they cannot understand. Like the Emperor Napoleon, Obama and his crew imagine such men to be fools that they may use and discard as they please.

But even this is far from the end of America as it is meant to be. Throughout its history, our country has faced perfidy and betrayal from hordes of petty, even evil men. Aaron Burr once conspired to steal half the West to form his own empire around the Texas territory. General Arnold betrayed his country because he felt he was not promoted highly enough during the Revolutionary War. The entire General Staff of the Army set back American military power during the 1930s by rejecting modernization efforts by men like Billy Mitchell and George Patton, and their stupidity cost thousands of American lives. A number of prominent Americans, including Joe Kennedy and Charles Lindburgh, supported the Nazis and worked hard to sell the idea that the U.S. could not beat Germany in World War 2. The list of blunders, treasons, and appeasement to enemies of America is a long one, but for all of that the United States grows and prospers. I think that will of God is in play on that count, which fills me with both hope and dread. Hope, because as long as God's favor continues this nation shall lead and endure. Dread, because too many of us forget that the greatness of America must be renewed in each generation, and the responsibility for the course of every nation weighs on our leaders.

The claims of a captured te... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

The claims of a captured terrorist should hold no more weight than that of a captured criminal. Such an accusation made by a criminal, with no physical evidence to back them up, would never result in four police officers being tried for felonies, which all court martial convictions are. The court martial of these Navy SEALs has nothing to do with law nor justice, but are the result of the policy of appeasement Obama has imposed on this nation. Even if the SEAL's are exonerated, the message has been sent to our soldiers and that message is take no prisoners. If lethal force is justified be sure it's lethal, otherwise, break off and let the bad guys go. Such is the cost of appeasement.

There is more to this case ... (Below threshold)
wolfwalker:

There is more to this case than you know.

Well-known milblogger Boston Maggie says that only one of the three SEALs is being charged with abusing a prisoner. The others are being charged because they (allegedly) made false statements to investigators. No one can be allowed to lie to a cop with impunity, no matter the circumstances.

vic "Judging from the ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

vic "Judging from the declining traffic in the right wing blogosphere..."

First of all, what the hell are you doing quoting anything from johnson? Bet a year ago, leaning right as he did, you never knew he existed.

How convenient.

Secondly, your proof of "declining traffic in the right wing blogosphere..." is exactly what?

DJYou are correct ... (Below threshold)
Deke:

DJ

You are correct in pointing out that the U.S. has endured many, many, tribulations and come out the better for it. I do think though that you fail to realize these were, for the most part, isolated incidents, perpatrated by individuals or small cabals. The trials that we face now I believe are more akin to the issues we saw during the period leading up to the Civil War. These issues we face encompass whole segments of society and regions of our country; the issue of whether or not we will continue dwn the slow road of Euro style Facisism/Sociaialism as supported by ppl like VIC, or whether we will continue to be a country of individual liberty is something much bigger than Obama and his cronies, they are a symptom not the disease itself.

Take some time to study the fall of the Roman Republic and/or the intense differences between the Northern coalition of Free-Soilers and Abolitionists vs., the Southern Democrats. When they say that if we do not learn from the mistakes of history we are doomed to repeat them, could not have been more prophetic.

Deke

As a quick side note, when ppl like VIC and SS throw around the term "Facism" to describe conservative thought I would like to quote Dixon for the modern term

a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

Ask yourself who does that describe more accuratly Obama and the democratic party or Conservatives?

Congratulations Victimy, yo... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Congratulations Victimy, you nailed them all.

Why I hate the left and never put myself in the unenviable position of having to part with them in the first place:

1. Pretense that they are separate from Fascists. Leftists will support ANY government system as long as it reeks of Statist domination of the citizenry. When leftists had the unique chance in history to stand against fascism they supported it instead.

Many leftists viewed Mussolini with sympathy. H.G. Wells in a speech at Oxford in 1932 called for a "Liberal Fascism"; and Rexford Tugwell, a leading member of Roosevelt's Brain Trust, said in 1934, "I find Italy doing many of the things which seem to me necessary.... Mussolini certainly has the same people opposed to him as FDR has. But he has the press controlled so that they cannot scream lies at him daily"

Who today is pressing for control over free speech, the internet and television news? Who implements speech codes? Who uses government force to violate persons' right to conscience? Why the Fascist Left, of course.

2. This is real bigotry and hatred. The left brazenly beats down 'uppity negroes', ignores the obvious racism, then pretends to find 'bigotry' in the nuances of others' free speech using a magnifying glass. Racist hypocrites all.

3. Supports the literal enslavement of women throughout the world. Ignores the real plight of women subject to beatings, persecution, and genital mutilation lisping that we must 'understand and be sensitive' to other cultures. No, the real enemy of women is James Dobson, they blindly assert. It is a historic fact that Christianity liberates women while other philosophies (cough *Islam* cough) enslaves them.

4. Support for anti-science quackery and scare-mongering. See AGW and the failed theory of Darwinian Evolution - both religious rather than scientific in nature. According to Al Gore we only had 10 years left to live 4 years ago. Put on the tennis shoes and running suits and wait for the comet ladies and gents.

When evidence is found contradicting and disproving these religious zealots they simply use more deception, lies, and shout-down of opponents to cover it up.

5. Forced imposition of deviant sexual behavior on all of society. Indoctrination of grade school children with immoral filth guised as 'education.'

6. Support for enslavement of the citizenry and government dominion and regulation of every aspect of life. Taking the bread from the mouth of one who earns it and giving it to another who does not. Protecting the guilty and punishing the innocent. (See Ricks post on the Seal persecution, for example.) Rewarding the lazy while depriving the diligent. Leftists model Aesop's Fables in reverse. They probably tell perverted stories to their children about the diligent ant who has the fruit of his labor plundered by those who have a 'better' use for it.

7. Conspiracy theories and hate speech. Still can't figure out who shot JFK. Bush was behind 911. AIDS was created by the CIA to kill black people. Bush was going to re-instate the draft (despite the fact that leftists are the only ones seriously proposing to do so). AGW lies.

8. A left-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see DU, Media Matters, Daily KOS, Ted Rall, Victimy is Ours). Seeking to regulate that which they deem 'hate speech' which is in reality a propagandistic attempt to silence political opposition.

9. Protecting Islamic terrorists under the guise of religious freedom. Granting American civil rights to enemies on a foreign battlefield. Trying war criminals in civil courts. Utter hatred for the very country that gives you freedom to perpetrate your evil deeds. Accusing America of being the greatest force for evil in the world rather than a force for good. Mocking ideals such as the 'shining city on a hill.'

10. Pretending that the traditional American aversion to communism, socialism, and statism is rooted in racism. Constantly trying to cow opposition by accusations of racism. Failing to look in the mirror at the real racists.

And here is a bonus:

11. Because they are moronic trolls with an inability to think for themselves, instead cutting and pasting the stupefying rantings from any gutter website they can find which presents the facade of bolstering their arguments.

Nice to see the mob is up t... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Nice to see the mob is up to true form. Some of those comments are absolutely bristling with hatred.

Rush, Sean, Michelle, Sarah and Ann have taught you well. Your venomous spew reeks of more bitter failures ahead. Keep it up.

Vic

Deke -Looks a lot ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Deke -

Looks a lot like 'progressive' ideology to me.

Ever wondered what happened to folks who disagree on LGF? They get disappeared, fast.

No dialog, no second chances, no tolerance - just *poof* - and they're gone. Like Wizbang Blue on a bad Lee day, no dissention allowed!

Ever wondered just WHY every disagreement with the left is immediately called 'hate speech'? Because then they don't have to actually think about the subject - you can just label it as 'hate speech' - and *poof* - you don't have to think about it any more!

Ever wonder just WHY the left is so 'progressive' when it comes to ecology and energy? Because they have a chance to FORCE people to behave how they think people should behave, WITHOUT giving the people a choice. Seriously - ever wonder why there's not been a harder push for nuclear power? It's clean - it's energy-dense, it's SAFE, it's scalable - and would be economical.

And people might use more. Can't have that! So they push solar power on one side of the left, and on the other side the environmentalists sue to block THAT because of the shading effects creating microclimates that the desert critters might not like! (Shade, in the desert? What's not to like?)

Then you've got the windmill advocates - who get stopped by folks worrying about bird deaths. But we can supposedly make up for what's not being generated by 'conservation' - however, you've got to be MAKING something in the first place before you can conserve it! The left literally doesn't see the infrastructure that must be in place before they've got the leisure to pursue their luddite tendencies.

As far as "abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion" - doesn't that fit the SEIU perfectly?

And they seriously call themselves 'progressive'?

"They keep using that word. I do not believe the word means what you think it means."

And Vic pops in to make the... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

And Vic pops in to make the point. Label it as 'hateful' - and you don't have to actually respond. Or analyze. Or even think about it - just scream 'HATE!' and go on your merry way.

Vic - disagreement isn't hate. It never was, it never has been.

Whoever told you it was fucking LIED to you, buddy, and did you no good whatsoever.

I've noticed that whenever ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

I've noticed that whenever a piece is filed under Asshats or Dumbasses that VIC or someone of the same ilk leaves comments demonstrating that they fall into those same categories.

It's actually quite entertaining to see just how deluded, self-righteous, and hypocritical the left is.

It's high time we reeducate... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

It's high time we reeducated our troops, took away their weapons, and gave them all subpoena power. All this killing is so...so...upsetting...

Suppose somebody really icky started a war and we just didn't show up? It's probably our fault to begin with.

Mac - "It's act... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Mac -

"It's actually quite entertaining to see just how deluded, self-righteous, and hypocritical the left is."

You forgot their tendency toward projection.

Actually, a lot of the time they're not entertaining at all. They don't add anything rational to the discussion.

The mere fact that... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:
The mere fact that we've reached this point is symbolic of how far this once great country has already fallen... but if these brave men are punished for bringing a terrorist to justice, then it's over... it's done... America's preeminence is finished.

If you believe that, leave. Just pick up and leave. America doesn't need your type. Go. Take your hatred and leave.

If they are punished it'll be because they broke the law. And if they broke the law and people like you have a problem with them being punished it's because your hatred is so deep you've lost all perspective.

If they lied they should be punished as well. And punishing wrongdoers doesn't diminish America. It's people, like some you see here, whose hate is so strong that they can no longer tell the difference between right and wrong who are diminishing America's preeminence.

Vic

VIC,Re: post 21.... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

VIC,
Re: post 21.

That is pure, obnoxious venom.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why the site operators tolerate that for a second. It is the poorest debating technique I have ever seen.

"If they are punished it'll... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"If they are punished it'll be because they broke the law."

Oh my, Vic. I am going to take a wild guess and posit that you are against the death penalty because you feel mistakes can be made and an innocent person can be put to death. If you do indeed believe that then you accept the process of justice can be in error, hence your above statement is wrong. But like I said, I am only guessing.

Also, I would be very willing to treat terrorist acts by Al-Qaida as minor nuisances if from this point forward all they do is give their victims fat lips. Come on, what do you say, Vic? I'd be willing to give up the waterboarding for the fat lip thing.

doesn't that fit the SEI... (Below threshold)
Deke:

doesn't that fit the SEIU perfectly?


Most def., the use of intimidation from SEIU, and the Black Panther party, have you ever seen some average middle class conservative hanging out with his buddies armed with clubs and keeping ppl from entering a polling place? Are there conservative organizations rounding up the homeless and giving them cartons of cigarettes and cases of beer as they shuttle them to polling stations, as ACORN did? No you dont.

A working alliance of radicals and elitists to fundamentally change a country's established culture...hmmm sounds like the far left and Nancy and crew. Belive me one does not have to put much thought into it to realize that Facism is the correct term to use towards this admin and congress, it's not hate speech it's the cold hard facts.

VIC,If th... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

VIC,

If they are punished it'll be because they broke the law. And if they broke the law and people like you have a problem with them being punished it's because your hatred is so deep you've lost all perspective.

The real hate comes from the left. You hate the military so much you are willing to subject SEAL's on a mission to capture a terrorist to legal scrutiny that would never be applied to police sent to capture a criminal. If you want to treat combatants as criminals then you also have to treat soldiers as police. The claim of a felony suspect that they were punched in the mouth would never be considered a crime even if it were caught on video. So which is it VIC, is terrorism a military problem or a law enforcement problem? You can't have it both ways. If terrorists are criminals then soldiers are police and deserve the same deference.

If they lied they should be punished as well. And punishing wrongdoers doesn't diminish America. It's people, like some you see here, whose hate is so strong that they can no longer tell the difference between right and wrong who are diminishing America's preeminence.

I'm sure you live a sheltered life VIC, so this may come as a shock to you, but police lie all the time. It's part of the job. Even when they get caught lying in court they are not significantly punished and they sure don't face felony charges like the SEALs are.

So why do you hate the military so much VIC? You think we don't need a military anymore, or is it just your hatred of Bush being projected onto these SEALs that drives your self-destructive hatred? Maybe your hate is fueled by your disillusionment with Obama for demonstrating the abject failure of the liberal theory that international problems can be solved by talk and appeasement. Of course, you can't hate Obama, so you project it onto the military.

When I first heard about th... (Below threshold)
Timmer:

When I first heard about this story, I figured the Court Martial would sort out what happened when. Because a fat lip happening while being taken into custody is far different from a fat lip happening while already IN custody. I had no idea that the only evidence was the word of the scumbag.

This won't stand.

I'm sure you live ... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:
I'm sure you live a sheltered life VIC, so this may come as a shock to you, but police lie all the time. It's part of the job. Even when they get caught lying in court they are not significantly punished and they sure don't face felony charges like the SEALs are.

And the motive the military has for prosecuting these poor innocent SEALs is.... non-existent. Instead you want Americans to believe it is some Obama Uber-consipracy to tear down America and rebuild it in the black man's image.

Are you an idiot?

Vic

And the motive the mi... (Below threshold)
Deke:

And the motive the military has for prosecuting these poor innocent SEALs is.... non-existent. Instead you want Americans to believe it is some Obama Uber-consipracy to tear down America and rebuild it in the black man's image.

Are you an idiot?

Vic

Maybe I missed something but nowhere does the poster you are refering to mention a "Black Man" Once again, like most facists, you have included hyper-sesitvity and uber victamization to engage in hyperbole in order to get someone to discontinue an argument. Vic you really need to sharpen the skills bud.

You know, a lot of people w... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

You know, a lot of people would see the words "black man" and just go right past it without thinking anything of it.

And yet some people see those words and focus on the thought of a "black man" and just can't get past it. It derails them.

What is the motive the military has for unfairly prosecuting these SEALS, Deke. Stay focused here. You can obsess about Obama's race and ignore the rest of the discussion if you choose, but if you want to suggest that there is more than just the basic racial hate against Obama at work by those who are trying to paint the SEAL's case as "Obama's fault" you're going to have to come up with a motive.

Focus now - Ignore that Obama is a black man, and tell us what that motive might be.

Vic

Vic -Funny how you... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Vic -

Funny how you're always the one bringing race into the issue. And lying about being the one bringing it in.

Again Vic you "Assume" that... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Again Vic you "Assume" that any criticism of Obama is based on racial hatred, I ask how do you know I"m not a black man myself? You dont, you just "Assume" that I must be caucasion in order to make a blatant claim so that reason no longer is a factor in the discussion. But you know what they say about assuming? It makes an ass out of you and me...in this case it's just you.

And as far as the SEALS go, I can tell you what happened from personal experience. The terroist got mouthy, one of the SEALS punched him and his 2 buddies covered and when asked they said they didn't see anything. They were offered an official reprimand from their CO and refused demanding a full Court-Martial. Knowing there is no proof other than the word of the scum-bag terrorist. The problem ppl have with this is the fact in this hyper-sensitive, apologize for America, administration, we are more concerned about the rights of the Terrorist than we are about the fact he killed, hundreds of people. We're more concerned about how it is "perceived" than we are about his capture and the warning it serves.

Just so were clear and there is no racial bias, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were both appeasing, military hating, limp-wristed, apologists for America. We see how well they did on foreign policy, Iran, Soviet expansion, an exponintial growth in terrorist movements.
Again Vic plz look at history, APPEASEMENT does not work, Barbary pirates anyone?

Remember those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.

Vic I don't believ... (Below threshold)
Gladius:

Vic

I don't believe this is about Obama's race. Race wasn't mention until you brought it up. This is about a known terrorist being captured and complaining he was given a fat lip any by the men who captured him ,without any evidence . The complaint came only after being in custady for a number of hours or days.I am not sure how long in custady but the complaint was not immediate . So, Vic the answer to your guestion about military motive is P.C. There can be no other answer. Also,no one here has obcessed about Obam's race and please remember cupcake you brought it up.

Deke: The probl... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Deke:

The problem ppl have with this is the fact in this hyper-sensitive, apologize for America, administration, we are more concerned about the rights of the Terrorist than we are about the fact he killed, hundreds of people. We're more concerned about how it is "perceived" than we are about his capture and the warning it serves.

No, I don't think it's a matter of perception.

It's a matter of right and wrong.

You yourself said:

And as far as the SEALS go, I can tell you what happened from personal experience. The terrorist got mouthy, one of the SEALS punched him and his 2 buddies covered and when asked they said they didn't see anything.

One of the SEALS punched their prisoner and the others lied about it... and you sick fucks want us to believe that prosecuting them for abusing the prisoner and lying about it somehow brings down America?

You people have such low morals it's amazing.

Vic

Vic I am surprised y... (Below threshold)
MF:

Vic
I am surprised you are allowed on this site.
You totally twisted what was discussed again.
Get a grip

And the motive the... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
And the motive the military has for prosecuting these poor innocent SEALs is.... non-existent. Instead you want Americans to believe it is some Obama Uber-consipracy to tear down America and rebuild it in the black man's image.

If there were no motive there would be no prosecution. The motive is appeasement of the Iraqi government, and yes, Obama is the appeaser in chief. Only idiots think it has anything to do with the color of the President's skin.

MF,Unlike liberal ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:

MF,

Unlike liberal blogs, Wizbang has a long history of allowing and even encouraging dissenting opinions. You may not like what VIC has to say, but it's important that he's allowed to say it. Wizbang is rough and tumble, yet remarkable civil relative to other blogs that allow such a wide range of views.

One of the SEALS punc... (Below threshold)
Deke:

One of the SEALS punched their prisoner and the others lied about it... and you sick fucks want us to believe that prosecuting them for abusing the prisoner and lying about it somehow brings down America?

You people have such low morals it's amazing.

Vic

Well Vic I'm just glad you dropped the "racist" argument, I do believe that is a point in my favor and one that you can't counter. Now as far as perceptions vs. what is right and wrong is concerned that all comes down to who is making the determination. In your opinion punching a loudmouth murderer of hundreds of innocents in the mouth to get him quiet so soldiers can make a safe escape to get home to their families is not as important as his "rights." Accroding to you, taking your argument to a logical conclussion, is that the rights of the terrorist supercede the needs of the soldiers to obtain the objective. In my opinion whatever is neccessary to complete the mission is feasable, in yours how we are "perceived" doing the mission is more important. Again a distinct difference between the common man and the facist elitist.

Your low opinion of Spec-Op forces and the military in general, really shows through with these type of comments. I'm sure, through your comments, you have never been in a situation where your life depends on your brothers/sisters. I can tell you the majority of the men and women in the military, especcialy our spec-op's, are as honor bound and serious as can be. It's these people that make it so you can live in a country that allows you to spout whatever drivel you care to. They will cover each other's backs in these type of situations, where there is no murder or torture, simply b/c they know their lives depend on that trust. Before you go with diarrah of the mouth, take a minute, a deep breath and send out a silent thank you to these brave soldiers, who with their thankless efforts, have probably saved hundreds of innocent lives.


Vic When is the last... (Below threshold)

Vic
When is the last time you had an enema?
Your race baiting drivel has become very
tiresome.
Now, how big of a shovel do you need?

"VicWhen is the l... (Below threshold)
914:

"Vic
When is the last time you had an enema?
Your race baiting drivel has become very
tiresome.
Now, how big of a shovel do you need?"



"Focus now - Ignore that Obama is a black man, and tell us what that motive might be."

This bigot needs a "Fleet" of enemas and a bulldozer to push it!

"And the motive the mili... (Below threshold)
914:

"And the motive the military has for prosecuting these poor innocent SEALs is.... non-existent. Instead you want Americans to believe it is some Obama Uber-consipracy to tear down America and rebuild it in the black man's image.

Are you an idiot"

You answered Your own question..


re: Vic, Comment No. 4<br ... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

re: Vic, Comment No. 4
You, sir ring the bell on anti-Americanism every time you post here. You surely have no love for your country and no shame.

Obama's motive.... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Obama's motive.

What is the usual motive of leftists who defend criminals over law abiding citizens? Whatever it is, it is the same here, at least in part.

Obama spends his political capital trying to impress other nations with his openness, a sense of global acceptance of other cultures, and the proposition that the U.S. is 'no threat' to the rest of the world. This requires an appearance of even-handedness, non-judgmentalism, and moral equivalence between the U.S. and other nations. Heretofore, presidents favored the U.S. and her interests and it was taken for granted by most that we occupied the moral high ground. No more. The left has spent the last 50+ years attacking that proposition. His motive is extreme political correctness and these are the consequences.

Yes, Obama is directly responsible for this because of his culture of corruption, his world apology tour, and his insane policy of granting foreign terrorists Miranda rights, among other things. He has given every indication to the rest of the world that it is open season on America. The fish is rotting from the head.

Likewise, Bush was held responsible by the Right for the Ramos and Compean incident due to his lax policy on illegal immigration and secure borders. Only this SEAL incident is even more egregious.

We're consistent. You're just a liar, Victimy.

I like it when we can see c... (Below threshold)

I like it when we can see celebrities dressed comfortably like normal people.
I can't believe molls is making fun of normal.
everyone needs days in comfy shoes and casual attire.




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