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Tiller's Avenging Angel Of Death

You may remember "Dr." George Tiller, the infamous late-term abortion provider out of Kansas, who was shot and killed in May of 2009 by murderer Scott Roeder, while Tiller was serving as an usher during services at his church.

Tiller's specialty was preforming abortions up to and after the 21st week of pregnancy. By his own admission, he had preformed over 60,000 abortions, helping to lead to his nick-name, "Tiller the Baby Killer."

The murder of Mr. Tiller left a gaping hole where once there was an avenue for women who wanted to have these late-term abortions preformed.

Not anymore.

Mr' Tiller's long-time friend and associate, "Dr." Leroy Carhart, has decided to take up Tiller's abortion crusade, becoming the nation's leading late-termer, and doing so with a feeling of self-sacrifice and intentions of nobility.

From cbsnews:

A 68-year-old former Air Force surgeon, Carhart performs up to 3,500 abortions a year while activists protest at his clinic. He doesn't plan to stop.

"Until I can find someone else to care for women, they still need somebody to care for them," Carhart told Axelrod.

Carhart believes in his work and doesn't hide what goes on inside his clinic in Nebraska, but you may also find it a bit surprising given what happened to his close friend and colleague earlier this year.

For more than a decade, Carhart spent a week each month assisting at Tiller's clinic.

"When he approached me to come work with him, he said, 'Both of us are very vulnerable targets and I think I need somebody else to carry on what I'm doing,'" Carhart told Axelrod.

After Tiller's death Carhart started doing late-term abortions at his own clinic, on average one every 10 days.

Quite an efficient man. Mustn't let the late-termers feel boxed in.

According to the interview, "Carhart says about half the abortions he performs between the 22nd and 28th week are due to fetal health issues. Half are for the mother's mental health. After the 28th week, 90 percent of the abortions he performs are for fetal health."

As an example, this colossus of human integrity is offered:

Women like Sue, an unmarried 28-year-old mother of three, come from around the country. Sue's somewhere between 21 and 23 weeks pregnant. She's aborting because she put her last baby up for adoption and had a nervous breakdown. She's waited so long because she didn't have the money.

"At this point this is the easier decision for me," Sue told Axelrod. "That may sound selfish to a lot of people, but I am having a lot of complications that aren't good for my health."

Aww. Selfish? Not just that, honey. Needless? You betcha.

Unmarried. Mother of three, with another child given up for adoption. And now this one? What in the living hell are you thinking? Keep your freakin' legs closed, you vile, irresponsible whore.

As for Old Doc Carhart's rationalization for aborting this child:

This decision "I think is probably a rational choice on her part," Carhart told [interviewer] Axelrod.

"A rational choice?" Axelrod asked.

"Yes; I mean she went through it," Carhart said. "She already knows the amount of trauma she went through with the last child."

"So you wouldn't have any problem performing an abortion on her?" Axelrod asked.

"No, certainly not at 21 weeks," Carhart said.

The logic is astounding.

"I totally believe in this cause every bit as much as I believe every morning when I got up in the military that I was doing the right thing," Carhart told Axelrod. "If dying for this cause is what I have to do, then that's what I will do."

What a paragon of virtue.


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Wonder what happens, just i... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Wonder what happens, just if, there is judgment in the afterlife, and these people have to account for the innocent unborn lives they ended?

May He recieve the same mer... (Below threshold)
914:

May He recieve the same mercy He has shown to others.

My daughter just passed 22w... (Below threshold)
Matt:

My daughter just passed 22wks, expecting her first child. Took her and her husband 4yrs to conceive. I would fight to the death to protect her and that child as would her husband and fathers-in-law.

To think of someone killing a child because it is inconvenient, is disgusting, beyong vile. It speaks of the evil that is rampant in this world. Carhart is an abomination.

"Unmarried. Mother of three... (Below threshold)
JC:

"Unmarried. Mother of three, with another child given up for adoption. And now this one? What in the living hell are you thinking? Keep your freakin' legs closed, you vile, irresponsible whore."

shut the fuck up, shawn. this is the reason why pro-lifers disgust me. you dont care about the mother OR the future of the child. she was obviously in a situation where she shouldnt have more children. contraception CAN fail; theres always a 1% out of 100, and the morning pill isnt known to work. sex is a part of human nature; if ur one of those religious idiots that think sex should only be for married people, you need to crawl under a rock as over 95% of people have sex before marriage. its her body and she choose not to have another kid. leave her alone, dumbass

"shut the fuck up, shawn... (Below threshold)
914:

"shut the fuck up, shawn. this is the reason why pro-lifers disgust me. you dont care about the mother OR the future of the child"


What future of the child? Being ripped to shreds buy some unfeeling ghoul who than pockets the proceeds and goes home to a warm cozy bed? Oh yeah, that one.

JC,Contraception f... (Below threshold)
Shawn:

JC,

Contraception failure, my ass.

She knows she can't handle it, yet she goes ahead and screws around anyway like a cat in perpetual heat. You're good with that, though, huh?

Does this kind of action not bother you? What does? And where the hell did religion come into this example? Since when does one require religion to give them the go ahead to believe this is irresponsible behavior? When in doubt, make God the boogie-man. You are the one that threw that in there, not me, jackass.

"contraception CAN fail; theres always a 1% out of 100"

Yeah. With this kook it just so happened to fail FIVE times, wedded or not.

And there's your hero: a butcher with some forceps and a Hoover ready to bail this willing fool out of her "complications."

I'm glad "pro-lifers" disgust you. You are so one-sided with your anything goes ideology you don't have the ability to look at things objectively, that NOTHING can or will disgust you about abortion itself, just with people who disagree with it.

You and your blanket "her body-her choice" mantra can rot in your gutter. It's a bullshit slogan that people with no sense of personal responsibility like to belch up whenever they run into a wall built on virtue and reality.

Friggin' amoral scumbag.

JC, you're a blathering mor... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

JC, you're a blathering moron. There's nothing in the piece that indicates the woman conceived as a result of failed contraception. In fact, I'd wager that given she's a 28 y/o single mother of 3 who "waited so long because she didn't have the money" that she likely has a long chain of piss poor decisions in her life. I hear the off the shelf test can detect pregnancy well before the 21st week. Putz.


Did she ever hear of tubal ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Did she ever hear of tubal ligation? I guess it's easier just to kill.

The sad part is is that if ... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

The sad part is is that if Obama and his criminal cabinet have their way, we as taxpayers will be paying for more of her deliberate killing of a child. I feel abortion is 1st degree murder. Call me names if you want, but you cannot kill a child and claim it was for the good of the mother. The "mother" should keep her legs together and get off her back and get a F*CKING JOB!! That should keep her busy enough to keep her from getting knocked up at every freaking opportunity.
Shawn - thank you for a great post. If JC's mom had the option, would he be here?
Madalyn

this is the reason... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
this is the reason why pro-lifers disgust me. you dont care about the mother OR the future of the child.


Well, obviously we care more about the child's future than the mother or the abortionist do. Thanks to them, the child has no more future.


if ur one of those religious idiots that think sex should only be for married people, you need to crawl under a rock as over 95% of people have sex before marriage.


Which shows your complete inability to understand the issue. The issue isn't sex; the issue is whether the child has a right to live or not.


its her body and she choose not to have another kid.


Except when her "choice" ends the life of a human being, to-wit: her [now dead] kid.

If she were caring for her ... (Below threshold)
epador:

If she were caring for her senile mother, but the stress was causing a "nervous breakdown" would euthanasia be an acceptable option (for the mother,not the daughter)?

Shawn always attracts the c... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

Shawn always attracts the classy conservatives.

Maybe it's gems like this:

"Unmarried. Mother of three, with another child given up for adoption. And now this one? What in the living hell are you thinking? Keep your freakin' legs closed, you vile, irresponsible whore."

that spawn gems like 914 advocating the murder of a law-abiding citizen - "May He recieve the same mercy He has shown to others."

(btw - It's i after e except after c, 914 - or wait, maybe it's i before e...)

Shawn continues his relentless attack on someone he's never met and doesn't even know: "She knows she can't handle it, yet she goes ahead and screws around anyway like a cat in perpetual heat."

Maybe Shawn has been hanging out in her sideyard spying through the window - how else would he know that?

"You and your blanket "her body-her choice" mantra can rot in your gutter. "

Compassionate Shawn hopes for the death of one of his readers because they dared disagree with him, despite them siding with the law as a matter of fact.

And who says there isn't hate in the right wing blogosphere? Shawn makes up facts about women who dare to be 28 and unwed, calling them "whores" and wishing death upon those who dare challenge his hate-filled fantasies.

Gotta love this place.

Vic

Abortion is very effective ... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

Abortion is very effective at killing lots of things....

babies....consciences...basic human decency.

When the average person, and I know I'm assuming that JC is an average person, passionately defends a brutal, heinous, callous and evil act such as abortion (but especially late-term abortion)...the human psyche is seriously diseased.

All you religious idiots out there might consider redoubling yourr efforts at prayer....

Takes one to know one, eh V... (Below threshold)
epador:

Takes one to know one, eh VIO?

"When the average person... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

"When the average person, and I know I'm assuming that JC is an average person, passionately defends a brutal, heinous, callous and evil act such as abortion (but especially late-term abortion)...the human psyche is seriously diseased."

And here I thought abortion was legal, and that all of the talk on this post is about a legal form of abortion.

So that particular law results in a seriously diseased psyche?

I guess you're right. I'm always amazed at the things conservatives will say and do while spewing their hate against a legal medical practice - and some of the comments advocating death to people who side with the law on this subject no doubt come from individuals with seriously damaged psyches.

Vic

Vic, you unabashed moron. S... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Vic, you unabashed moron. Slavery was legal. Seperate bathrooms were illegal. Not reading a suspect his rights was illegal. I have no idea what point asswipe Vic is trying to make except, kill all the babies you want. In the 1800's Vic would say, "Hey, slavery is legal. Too bad".

Science has finally caught up to this opinion. It is very clear when feeling life begins. 914 is 100% correct. You will get what you give. ww

I'm always amazed ... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
I'm always amazed at the things conservatives will say and do while spewing their hate against a legal medical practice - and some of the comments advocating death to people who side with the law on this subject no doubt come from individuals with seriously damaged psyches.

I'm certainly guilty of hating the medical practice which the Supreme Court has decided is legal. That's because I've never been dissuaded of the idea that the fetus is a human being. Abortion is therefore the killing of a human being. I detest that. Damaged psyche, I guess.

The leftists have never addressed this particular issue very well.


Liberals are evil, sick peo... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Liberals are evil, sick people.

"Fetuses" are people just l... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

"Fetuses" are people just like you, Vic. I can understand how you can hate me but how can you hate a little baby so much?

Vic is a evil, sick person.... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Vic is a evil, sick person.

If he performs 3500 abortio... (Below threshold)
Jay Dean:

If he performs 3500 abortions a year, isn't he averaging ten abortions every one day, rather than one abortion every ten days?

No one is questioning if it... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

No one is questioning if it's illegal. The legality of it does not change the evil of it. Legal=moral? No.

But it was never put to a vote, it was made law by the SCOTUS. Public views on abortion are pretty evenly split, but with regard to late-term abortion people are overwhelmingly opposed to it. But that was your issue, not mine.

I find the polling data facinating in that even after more than 30 years of non-stop indoctrination that abortion is a "right", that nearly half of people polled still understand it to be a wrong. You'd think with people being spoon-fed since birth that abortion is an acceptable outcome to pregnancy, that there would be more people polled who say so. But no, that's not the case.

However the reason that abortion is as acceptable today as it currently is demonstrates the effects of the indoctrination, which has resulted in the diseased psyche. Frog. Pot of water. Heat slowly being turned up. And yet still nearly half of the people are jumping out of the pot on this issue.

And don't say "I guess you're right" when you so severely and intentionally distorted what I said. I never said the law caused the corruption of the collective psyche, despite your efforts to say to the contrary.

And you need to discern the difference between hate and sadness. Abortion doesn't make me hate, it makes me sad.

And I will say that any person who professes to be pro-life is opposed to murder of any kind, not just the murder of the unborn.

"I will say that any person... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

"I will say that any person who professes to be pro-life is opposed to murder of any kind, not just the murder of the unborn."

I agree ,SAHMmy, that the murder of George Tiller was just as wrong as the abortions he performed. However I never use the word murder to refer to an abortion procedure. Calling it baby killing is more accurate.

. . . the murder o... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
. . . the murder of George Tiller was just as wrong as the abortions he performed.

I disagree.

@Mattim terribly sor... (Below threshold)
JC:

@Matt
im terribly sorry to hear about your daughter dying during pregnancy. that has to be a burden on the family. i dont mean to sound improper, but abortion shouldve been an option espeicallty in that case (if it endangered her life that is...). its better to lose an unborn child and try again than to lose child AND mother and never have any children. miracle stories like "i had a 60% chance of survival and my baby had a 90% and were celebrating her 4th birthday" are far more uncommon than people realize. im even more disgusted about people mentioning god in this topic to put words in his mouths and make what other people choose to do seem evil and corrupt. whats worse? ending a pregnancy and try to conceive at a later time or knowing that a pregnancy might kill the mother, but choosing to ignore the dangers (ending all chances to conceive at all). imo, the latter is REAL murder.

I concur with iwogisdead. ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

I concur with iwogisdead. Killing Tiller was illegal. I'm not convinced it was immoral.

Victory is choice, ( acc... (Below threshold)
914:

Victory is choice, ( accept when the choice for life is not respected equally, than its "Victory is God and decides who lives or dies ), opined -

"Shawn always attracts the classy conservatives.

Maybe it's gems like this:

"Unmarried. Mother of three, with another child given up for adoption. And now this one? What in the living hell are you thinking? Keep your freakin' legs closed, you vile, irresponsible whore."

"that spawn gems like 914 advocating the murder of a law-abiding citizen - "May He recieve the same mercy He has shown to others."


I advocated no such thing. Im against murdering the innocent whether or not they are old enough to speak on their own behalf.

I just cry no tears when the murderers of the world meet a little justice and an early end.

im even more disgusted a... (Below threshold)
sue:

im even more disgusted about people mentioning god in this topic to put words in his mouths and make what other people choose to do seem evil and corrupt. whats worse? ending a pregnancy and try to conceive at a later time or knowing that a pregnancy might kill the mother, but choosing to ignore the dangers

JC, first of all, God values all human life, and a unborn baby no matter how small or undeveloped is still a human life. Murder is wrong, and abortion is murder. Those are facts and if you can't handle it then too bad.

I know that liberals don't like to hear this because it threatens something that they think they are entitled to have just because they want it.

More than a few liberals try to silence us by declaring that if one of our beliefs is based on our faith we shouldn't not only talk about it but should not use it to advocate for public policy supporting it. That would make it convenient for liberal but that isn't the way it works.

Secondly there is a reason that we don't fall for that rationalization of allowing abortion. Those who are pro abortion have said that EVERY pregancy could result in the death of the mother (so there should be no restrictions of any kind on abortion). They include mental health...ie. the mother would be distress because she doesn't want to be pregnant...in the "health of the mother"

Rarely is a mothers life in danger due to pregancy and no one that I've heard of, and no bill restricting abortion had said that a woman whos life is in danger cannot get an abortion.

That's simply a strawman and a way to rationalize what the left wants.

Tiller got what he deserved... (Below threshold)
Parrish:

Tiller got what he deserved. Unfortunately, it didn't happen sooner. There will be no mercy on his soul, and he is currently burning in hell. Good fucking riddance!

shut the fuck up, shawn.... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

shut the fuck up, shawn. this is the reason why pro-lifers disgust me. you dont care about the mother OR the future of the child. she was obviously in a situation where she shouldnt have more children. contraception CAN fail; theres always a 1% out of 100, and the morning pill isnt known to work.

Ah, bullshit JC. Why is she waiting this fucking long to abort then? You are right, she wasn't a situation to have more children.

Next time, she needs to stick to oral sex.

The cited words in this pie... (Below threshold)
jim2:

The cited words in this piece indicate that the vast majority of the abortions the doctor performs are not late-term ones, that most of the later ones are due to "fetal health" (which may even mean the fetus was likely to be stillborn), but that some are done for patient-doctor mental health reasons.

I abhor abortion but abortion is legal under the laws passed by Congress per the US Constitution and the rulings of the courts per the US Constitution. I vote my conscience and I support peaceful protests. But the beahvior espoused here is not that.

What I hear is:

"Death to Tiller." "Death to Carhart."

How very jihadi of you all.

"" .... does one require re... (Below threshold)

"" .... does one require religion to give them the go ahead to believe this is irresponsible behavior? ""

Nope.

And nor does one need religion to know that "irresponsible" is absolutely not the word for this bloody barbarian's behavior -- nor to describe those who support his slaughter of the innocent.

Only an above-room-temperature IQ.

For the word is Evil.

Jim2 says that "... abortio... (Below threshold)

Jim2 says that "... abortion is legal under the laws passed by Congress per the US Constitution and the rulings of the courts per the US Constitution."

Which makes one pray and trust that a man does not get to vote who is so ignorant of the illegality, unlawfulness and un-Constitutionality of the feral gummint's and its abjectly-politicized and activist-operated fiat feral "courts'" messing with the rights of we the people and of our separate sovereign states and in matters not enumerated to that feral gummint by the United States Constitution!

When I was younger my docto... (Below threshold)
J:

When I was younger my doctor relocated from a well-known practice to set up shop in ritzy Back Bay of Boston, MA. Not knowing this, I saw him for a yearly check up but noticed different items in his exam room. When I asked about them he told me this was an abortion clinic. Shocked, I asked him what his clients were like. Typically well off young women that could not be bothered taking any precautions and who, REPEATEDLY, came in for abortions. This doctor did not have a kind look on his face and admitted it was all for money. That is what the industry is all about and what the dems are all about.

Just imagine: I am 5-1/2 mo... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

Just imagine: I am 5-1/2 months pregnant, walking down the street. A car is speeding down the street, goes out of control and jumps the curb, striking me, and ultimately injuring me and killing my baby. I sue him for unlawful death of a child, and win a large judgement. Here's the kicker: What if I was on my way to the local abortion clinic to end the pregnancy?
What I am getting at is that there are only 2 people in the world who can decide if a baby lives or dies: mom and Dr. Dad has no say, grandparents have no say. Just mom and Dr.
How long before a baby (not fetus) aged 2 months with colic and crying 24/7 is not reason enough to kill child because mom is "disgraught"? Killing is killing, no matter the age. I honestly believe this is something for everyone to consider.
I am an elderly woman, never had an abortion, never considered one for any reason, and am completely against it. This is something I have wondered about ever since Roe vs Wade. We need to bring back morals, a conscience, and integrity back into the SCOTUS and our everday lives.
Madalyn

Perhaps there is a c... (Below threshold)

Perhaps there is a case to be made for forced sterilization of certain people.
.

While I believe abortion is... (Below threshold)
epador:

While I believe abortion is immoral, I also believe extra-legal execution of a physician is equally immoral and abhorent, and I strongly disagree with those who state otherwise above and elsewhere. Folks, your hypocrazy is showing rather brilliantly and you shouldn't give VIO and others such an obvious and appropriate leg to sand on to argue here. Shame.

I think if that woman who h... (Below threshold)
Rich:

I think if that woman who has the kids already can afford to see the abortionist she could have saved to get a tubal ligation done. I would much prefer to see that done or have it covered by insurance than the obvious alternatives discussed here.

I also don't understand the... (Below threshold)
SAHMmy:

I also don't understand the emotion behind someone who nearly goes mad from putting a child up for adoption, while seeing the death of that child as a better outcome to an unplanned pregnancy.

I could understand the flipside of that: nearly going mad knowing I'd intentionally murdered my child, and finding that adopting it out to a loving family as the better outcome of the two choices.

How can you not see the collective, pervasive corruption of the human psyche here?

I wonder how man abortions ... (Below threshold)
Victory is Ours:

I wonder how man abortions would have been avoided were it not for abstinence-only sex education.

Anyone who thinks intentionally avoiding educating teens on the use of contraceptives hasn't resulted in some teen pregnancies and resulting abortions is deluded, but that's what religious extremists do - delude themselves into thinking they are doing some greater good as they wreck havoc.

Vic

Somehow, vio, I think that ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Somehow, vio, I think that the left-media's push of sexuality down the throats of pre-teens has a whole lot more influence on teen sex and pregnancy than abstinence promotion.

But I am sure such reasoning is beyond your vapid imagination and limited capabilities to recognize reality, cause and effect.

I wonder how man ... (Below threshold)
I wonder how man abortions would have been avoided were it not for abstinence-only sex education.

Anyone who thinks intentionally avoiding educating teens on the use of contraceptives hasn't resulted in some teen pregnancies and resulting abortions is deluded, but that's what religious extremists do - delude themselves into thinking they are doing some greater good as they wreck havoc.


Vic, did the rate of abortions go up or down over the last half century as "sex education" became ever more available? As far as the contraceptive mentality goes: isn't the message of contraception that there is an absolute right to sex without resulting babies? Are you really so dim as not to grasp that the result of this mentality is the aborting of more and more babies since they are only seen as the *shocking* and intrusive result of recreational sex?

I also find it deeply ironic that when after having undergone conventional sex education people still get into trouble, the only answer can be "It isn't working! We need more of it!", but when anyone gets into trouble after abstinence-only sex education (as if anyone really ever receives only this), the only answer can be "It isn't working! We need less of it!". How convenient. And how typical of shallow, self-serving leftist "reasoning".

"Unmarried. Mother of th... (Below threshold)

"Unmarried. Mother of three, with another child given up for adoption. And now this one? What in the living hell are you thinking? Keep your freakin' legs closed, you vile, irresponsible whore."

Sir! You presume too much!


Whores get paid.

I'm glad that babykilling a... (Below threshold)
Rev Donald Spitz:

I'm glad that babykilling abortionist George Tiller is dead. I'm glad that Scott Roeder stopped him from murdering any more children. Those who condemn Scott Roeder are cowards who support the murder of unborn children.

Rev. (sic) Spitz's opinion ... (Below threshold)
AParent:

Rev. (sic) Spitz's opinion on the beliefs or behavior of others should carry no weight whatsoever. He uses his own website to try to make heroes out of murdering terrorists like Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph, John Salvi, James Kopp, and now Scott Roeder, the man who shot of Dr. Tiller in his church. Therefore, the recent designation of Spitz's Army of God as a domestic terrorist group by the Virginia State Police is very appropriate. Spitz is so delusional that he thinks that he was ordained by the International Gospel Crusade, a denomination that only exists in his imagination. This makes Spitz even more of a concern.




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