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"The jihadists don't seem to like Americans any better because we're closing down Guantanamo"

The Wall Street Journal, with wisdom and wit:

A U.S. government that has barred the phrase "war on terror" has nonetheless acknowledged that a failed Christmas day bomb attack on an airliner was a terrorist attempt. Can we all now drop the pretense that we stopped fighting a war once Dick Cheney and George W. Bush left the White House?

The attempt by 23-year-old Nigerian Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab follows the alleged murders in Ft. Hood, Texas by Islamist-inspired Major Nidal Hasan in November. Brian Jenkins, who studies terrorism for the Rand Corporation, says there were more terror incidents (12), including thwarted plots, on U.S. soil in 2009 than in any year since 2001. The jihadists don't seem to like Americans any better because we're closing down Guantanamo.

This increasing terror tempo makes the Obama Administration's reflexive impulse to treat terrorists like routine criminal suspects all the more worrisome. It immediately indicted Mr. Abdulmutallab on criminal charges of trying to destroy an aircraft, despite reports that he told officials he had ties to al Qaeda and had picked up his PETN explosive in Yemen. The charges mean the Nigerian can only be interrogated like any other defendant in a criminal case, subject to having a lawyer present and his Miranda rights read.

Yet he is precisely the kind of illegal enemy combatant who should be interrogated first with the goal of preventing future attacks and learning more about terror networks rather than gaining a single conviction. We now have to hope he cooperates voluntarily.

If we have to hope that he cooperates voluntarily, then we are seriously Farouked.

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There have been no terror i... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

There have been no terror incidents as Jenkins suggests.

There have been, however, several alleged opportunities for bilateral diplomacy and international understanding with envoys of a peaceful religion. Lasting global peace comes from such outreach efforts.

We have no enemies. Just friends we haven't met yet. All we need to do is start the language of peace.

Kinda sticks in your throat, don't it?

Looks like Barry's kinder a... (Below threshold)
914:

Looks like Barry's kinder approach is not effecting the rich priveledged Jihadi's hatred of freedom in the good ole' U.S of A..

We were we seriously Farouk... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

We were we seriously Farouked when he put that idiot Janet Napolitano in charge of Homeland Security.

That he and his ideology are the titular head of the US is also why there are more attacks by terrorists, they know he's a push over.

No,Gmac, we were s... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:


No,Gmac, we were seriously Farouked on 1/20/09--the full measure is yet to be revealed is all.

This is the same kinder mor... (Below threshold)
914:

This is the same kinder more intelligent game plan we would have had in 2004 had LURCH overcome His golddigging lack of charisma!

"Can I get Me a Dimmi liscense here?"

We just need some more 'sma... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

We just need some more 'smart diplomacy'. I'm sure Rahm will be leaning on the Post tomorrow for their 'indiscretion'. After all, what do they think they are, an independent newspaper?

Where the hell is Jack B... (Below threshold)
Ed:

Where the hell is Jack Bauer when you need him???

there is absolutely no reas... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

there is absolutely no reason that the FBI can't tell this guy he's being taken to Gitmo for interrogation unless he sings now ...

It really is ok to lie to these guys ... its done everyday in police stations all over America ...

or maybe they just suggest that he'll be sent to the county lockup with the rest of the criminals while awaiting trial ... lots of nasty thing happen to people in those lock ups ... it would really be a shame if he ran into some American felons who don't appreciate his desire to kill Americans ...

Exactly my thoughts. I've ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Exactly my thoughts. I've been asking when they're going to start liking us more. Our president has flown over there and told them how terrific they are, he's closing Gitmo, he's bowed deeply to anyone with an accent, our Attorney General has given jihadists the impetus to attack civilian targets instead of military ones so they can get all the trappings of a free lawyer, a civil trial and no coercion to do anything but remain silent, we've wiped nasty language like "war on terror" and "terrorist attacks" from our lexicon, a significant faction of our population stands at the ready to call anyone a racist who dares to tell it like it is, we've done nothing more than wring hands over Iran's desire to possess "the bomb", .... let's see, there's so much more.

They're not going to like us. EVER. There's a reason for that. It's called fundamental jihadist Islam. They're lied to from day one and taught that their oppressor is from outside their realm. The people teaching them this are their oppressors.

How long before someone in Washington finally gets it?

Get's what? That the bullsh... (Below threshold)
Sabre5:

Get's what? That the bullshit "Global War on Terror" was a front for Republican nation-building?

Our entire nation "got that" to the extent that Republicans were ousted en masse.

It's going to take time to undo the damage done to our national security by the Bush administrations invasion of Iraq and further de-stabilization of the entire middle east. It doesn't happen over night.

You'd have to be an idiot to believe it would.

Cue the idiots.

They want to KILL us - how ... (Below threshold)

They want to KILL us - how difficult is that to understand? I realize that the Kumbaya crowd would like nothing more than to declare the world to be an utterly safe place but reality has a nasty way of stomping in!

The middle east has never b... (Below threshold)
914:

The middle east has never been stable and never will while 1st century barbarians continue to fester..

Cowering in dimmitude does not solve the problem!

I see Sabre got the memo. ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I see Sabre got the memo. "Blame Boooosh!" For everything! Because we all know how "stable" the Middle East was before Boooosh messed it all up ....

Sabre, you're a joke and unworthy of any civil discourse. You've already poisoned that well.

Now if you don't mind, I have more exciting things to do, like cleaning my baseboards.

sabre5 "Get's what? Th... (Below threshold)
Marc:

sabre5 "Get's what? That the bullshit "Global War on Terror" was a front for Republican nation-building?"

You mean like what obama has fully endorsed with his new Afghan policy? Bush equals nation building.... obama equals nation building.

"It's going to take time to undo the damage done to our national security by the Bush administrations invasion of Iraq and further de-stabilization of the entire middle east. It doesn't happen over night."

Yeah, 'cause it was SOOOOOO stable prior to 2000.

Pssst... sabre don't look now but....

Letting terrorists out of Gitmo leads to Christmas day terror strikes.

Is that the change YOU believe in?

"If we have to hope that he... (Below threshold)
Highlander:

"If we have to hope that he cooperates voluntarily, then we are seriously Farouked."

Longing to torture again, right, conservatives?

Wrong lowlander.... (Below threshold)
914:

Wrong lowlander.

If Booooosh would have left... (Below threshold)
howcome:

If Booooosh would have left poor Iraq alone 9-11 would have never happened./s

"Letting terrorists out ... (Below threshold)
Sabre5:

"Letting terrorists out of Gitmo leads to Christmas day terror strikes."

And masturbation leads to blindness - which explains why you cannot see.

"Letting terrorists out of Gitmo leads to Christmas day terror strikes."

Only in your (wet) dreams Marc. There is no correlation whatsoever.

But feel free to babble and drool as you try to explain your statement. Go ahead and make at least 5 more comments demonstrating how ill-informed and illogical you are.

Fortunately you have no pride.

Highlander... lemme guess. ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Highlander... lemme guess. You were all for playing the Bush didn't connect the dots game and based on a dubious intel estimate.

But now there are NO dots to be connected, dots like cash payment for a ticket, warnings from a family member, multiple entry visas, no luggage, being on watch list and being denied entry to England.

No obama dots right highlander?

"Letting terrorists out ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Letting terrorists out of Gitmo leads to Christmas day terror strikes."

"And masturbation leads to blindness - which explains why you cannot see.

"Letting terrorists out of Gitmo leads to Christmas day terror strikes."

Only in your (wet) dreams Marc. There is no correlation whatsoever."

Really? 2 released terrorist from Gitmo are now in YEMEN as AL Quaeda...No correlation?

Sabre has no idea what he i... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Sabre has no idea what he is spewing. His lefy wingnuts actually believed the terrorists only hated republicans that is how utterly bankrupt in understanding. ww

sabre "Only in your (w... (Below threshold)
Marc:

sabre "Only in your (wet) dreams Marc. There is no correlation whatsoever."

That proves one of two things... or both.

You're a blithering and blinded partisan hack unable to make the slightest concession anyone aside from yourself knows or can acknowledge the truth.

And two, not so incidentally, you never read the linked article.

I vote you'er both, however, if you care to refute this first para from the linked article I'd be glad to say I'm wrong:

Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents.
So, still believe there's no possibility of a connection?

The November 2007 release w... (Below threshold)
Sabre5:

The November 2007 release was under the Bush administration.

Bush let out the wrong people, obviously.

Obama hasn't.

sabre cracks me up! It's a... (Below threshold)
apb:

sabre cracks me up! It's almost as if it sees its myopic world-view crumbling, and is making extra effort to deny the obvious.

Earth to fuck-wit sabre - Barry and Janet and the rest of the douchebags you support have imposed policies the terrorists hate, and they're taking it out on us! Oh, noes!

Or - is it they just hate our way of life? In which case you agree with the evil Boooosh.

Waiting for brainless skull to explode in 3...2...1...

So You admit they were rele... (Below threshold)
914:

So You admit they were released than.. There is your correlation.. Better off if they had a bullet twixt their eyes than taken prisoner.

Of course Bush screwed up i... (Below threshold)
Sabre5:

Of course Bush screwed up in who he selected to be released from GITMO -- was there ever any doubt that anything that clown touched wouldn't end up a disaster???

So now we know - Bush released from GITMO 2 of the planners behind this recent terrorist attack.

Like I said. No surprise - and no correlation to the current administration.

A fact our mentally challen... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

A fact our mentally challenged Sabre seems to not know. There was no attack on our land after 9/11 until after Obama came in office. This attack is on Obama.

Janet actually said Sunday the "the system worked". What is she smoking? The same stuff as Sabre I presume.

Obama is weak. He oozes weakness. Even the French, THE FRENCH think he is weak. ww

In addition to Bush releasi... (Below threshold)
Sabre5:

In addition to Bush releasing the planners of the most recent attack from Gitmo in 2007, it was the Bush administration who granted Abdulmutallab a multi-visit visa.

2008, June 12: Abdulmutallab applies for a visa at the U.S. Embassy in London.

2008, June 16: His visa is granted. The visa is a regular multiple-entry tourist visa valid until June 12, 2010.

"2008, June 12: Abdulmut... (Below threshold)
914:

"2008, June 12: Abdulmutallab applies for a visa at the U.S. Embassy in London.

2008, June 16: His visa is granted. The visa is a regular multiple-entry tourist visa valid until June 12, 2010."

Not to exscuse this ridiculous Visa.. But I dont think Bush worked at the U.S. Embassy in London.


Sabre5, you must need a hug... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Sabre5, you must need a hug or something. You're working that hate thing of yours pretty hard.

#28. Saber5 - "In addition... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

#28. Saber5 - "In addition to Bush releasing the planners of the most recent attack from Gitmo in 2007, it was the Bush administration who granted Abdulmutallab a multi-visit visa."

Saber, instead of doing "barf back" of the White House's cunning plan to blame Bush, try actually thinking about what's going on here. The problem isn't that Abdulmutallab got a visa before anyone knew he had been radicalized. The problem is that no one revoked that visa once his radicalization became known to our State Department about a month ago.

Now let me think, who was President about a month ago? And who was in charge of the State Department then? You want to blame someone, start there.

On the other hand, I also understand you're not here to understand anything. Rather you're here merely to splash around, make mud puddles and spew invectives. Which is to say, you're a troll.

Is it just Me or did Barry ... (Below threshold)
914:

Is it just Me or did Barry ( Rhamuel ) lay the mascara on to thick for Barry's presser? He looks kinda Baucus like in His hurried days late 12 trillion dollar shortfall assurance?

I think He's a day late and too many dollars short.

By the way Barry' how did ... (Below threshold)
914:

By the way Barry' how did the Goat make out in the end? Did He find freedom and live happily ever after? Or did He submit to radical islam and star in a beheading video?

Please update.

sabre5antententhsbrain.... ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

sabre5antententhsbrain.... "In addition to Bush releasing the planners of the most recent attack from Gitmo in 2007, it was the Bush administration who granted Abdulmutallab a multi-visit visa."

That damn eviiiil booooosch. Right.

Sorry to say that you so easily overlook who the people were working for that failed to revoke that visa, and the people that FAILED to pass on to anyone in an authorative position when word was given to them that someone's son was a potential jihadist cut throat.

Presumably the same incompetents stood by [and did nothing] on May 09 as the UK denies this jihadist cut throat a visa for claiming he'd study at bogus university. The UK Home Secy immediately put him on watchlist in UK.

sabre5 tenths of one percen... (Below threshold)
Marc:

sabre5 tenths of one percent of a brain....

"So now we know - Bush released from GITMO 2 of the planners behind this recent terrorist attack. Like I said. No surprise - and no correlation to the current administration.

Nice try spinning away from your original assertion there was no correlation between "get out of gitmo free cards" leading directly to the Xmas day bombing attempt.

I made no attempt at accusing obama or any of his minions of letting them out only that there was direct evidence it led to the attempt, yet you let your knee jerk into your chin so hard you lost all reasonable thought... what there is of it.

There is none.... (Below threshold)
914:

There is none.

The November 2007 releas... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

The November 2007 release was under the Bush administration."

About that correlation thing ....

You were wrong, weren't you, Sabre? Go ahead. It's okay to admit you were wrong. It gets easier each time. I expect it'll be second nature for you before long.




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