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"Obama and his friends preach tolerance, but there is bigotry at their group's core."

Robin of Berkely, at American Thinker, has just become someone I want to read regularly. 

Here's an excerpt of her recent encounter with a snobbish female Episcopal priest:

Given my spiritual longing, I decided it was time to explore places of worship. Being a secular Jew, my first step should have been a temple. However, the synagogues around here are practically recruitment stations for Obama (aside from the Orthodox ones, but I don't speak a word of Hebrew). So I decided to experience church on Christmas Eve.

Checking out churches online, I found almost none that offered political neutrality. Most heralded their progressive credentials, welcoming the transgendered, but not conservatives.

I was pleased to find an Episcopal church whose website focused on religion, not ObamaCare. I left a message for the priest that I was looking for a church that didn't press a political agenda because I wasn't a liberal. 

I received an icy reply from the priest, the Reverend Lucy, who said with barely-contained disgust, "I don't think you should check us out."

Her response left me shaken and angry. I understand that leftists despise conservatives. I have seen that creepy look of pure hatred when I naïvely told a leftist friend about my political conversion.

But an Episcopal priest rejecting me during the holiest time of year? Isn't anything or anyone sacred? 

In shunning me, the Reverend Lucy exposed not only her own hypocrisy, but the duplicity of the left itself. She unveiled the left's dirty little secret -- that their doctrines are as bogus as global warming.

I used to believe it all. But when I removed one piece -- that the left protects women -- the whole house of cards came tumbling down. 

Obama and his friends preach tolerance, but there is bigotry at their group's core. As displayed by the Reverend Lucy, this is a spiritually vacuous ideology. While they fashion themselves as human saviors, they clearly don't like people very much, and they despise conservatives.

I've experienced some decent liberal Episcopalians... but I've experienced more Reverend Lucys... and it is a sad thing to see... do read the rest of Robin's piece, including her letter to the Very Sad Reverend Lucy...

Then brighten your day and read her first experience in a church... a Catholic church no less... truly amusing.

H/T Matteo.

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As more and more conservati... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

As more and more conservatives openly preach hate and practice racism it isn't surprising that stereotyping and prejudice should develop into a backlash against conservatism in general.

In breaking news -- Rush Limbaugh has been rushed to the hospital with chest pains so one of the chief proponents of hate may be leaving this world soon.

Some will shed a tear, but I won't. Many conservatives have become so extreme, so hateful.

STFU dipshit... (Below threshold)
914:

STFU dipshit

right on cue..... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

right on cue..

Steve, do you know what pro... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Steve, do you know what projection is?

Yeah, that's why the Left h... (Below threshold)

Yeah, that's why the Left has to make up fictitious quotes to "prove" he's a racist.

All the years he's been on the radio and they don't have the actual audio clips (the non-cut-n-spliced ones) to back up their claims of racism and bigotry.

Of course, in their world, you can make up a quote about someone, and if enough blogs post it, it becomes true, just like man-made global warming.

Typical intollerent liberal... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

Typical intollerent liberal scumballs say TOLLERENCE out of one mouth and say HATE CONSERVATIVES out of the other

re: 1:I believe th... (Below threshold)
epador:

re: 1:

I believe the hate speech has begun. Now that JT is back, I say its time for the hammer to fall.

"Obama and his friends prea... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Obama and his friends preach tolerance, but there is bigotry at their group's core."

They also believe in 'diversity of thought', as long as you think 'their way'.

And NO CRITICISM of The One is allowed. He is PERFECT. Just ask Kool Aid drinking Stevie Green.

Steve Green: You must be a ... (Below threshold)
Mike in Oregon:

Steve Green: You must be a very sad person. I hope things get better for you.

Yes, some quotes attributed... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Yes, some quotes attributed to Limbaugh were not accurate.

Enough accurate quotes were found however to indicate the man has racial biases. I'm speaking specifically of the remarks he made regarding NFL players being gang-like.

Deleting my comments won't change a thing - but think about that for a minute. Think about the people who not only vilify someone who dares disagree with them, but goes further and calls for their "elimination"...

Welcome to Limbaugh territory.

Steve G, can you cite some ... (Below threshold)
CDR M:

Steve G, can you cite some examples of this conservative lead racism and hatred that you speak of? Who, what, where, when, etc.

"Deleting my comments wo... (Below threshold)
914:

"Deleting my comments won't change a thing - but think about that for a minute. Think about the people who not only vilify someone who dares disagree with them, but goes further and calls for their "elimination"

Deleting them? Hell, leave them there for all to see what a bitter little ill-begotten spiteful troll you are!


You were disagreeing with no one. You were the first to comment.

Welcome to Your own pre-conditioned hatefest!

Steve G, if the Rush gang q... (Below threshold)
CDR M:

Steve G, if the Rush gang quote offended you, then I would assume that you find perhaps Chris Rock or Margaret Cho or maybe even Garafalo racist or biased as well and all the vitriol that you have expressed against Rush will be applied equally to these people as well? They're all entertainers right? You assume Rush IS the conservative movement voice. If I used your logic, I could assume Garafalo IS the liberal movement voice.

From the "Irony plays with ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

From the "Irony plays with a heavy hand" file... Limbaugh was rushed to the hospital where Obama was born.

If Limbaugh passes away, will the "birthers" claim his death certificate is false and he didn't really die?

And I read one comment in another blog where the commenter stated "I hope Rush Limbaugh isn't exaggerating his symptoms like Michael J Fox did."

This is the depths of depravity our nation has sunk to... and Rush Limbaugh has been a principal agent of that increase in depravity.

I'm not going to repeat the things that Rush Limbaugh said that cause people to feel that way about him, and I really do wish him a full and complete recovery.

But I won't miss him if he leaves this earth. I don't think he's improved our nation one bit, in fact - I think we're worse off because of people like Rush Limbaugh -- but, again, I respect the opinions of those who disagree with that statement.

" I respect the opinions... (Below threshold)
914:

" I respect the opinions of those who disagree with that statement"

ha ha ha ha

Green's comments are typica... (Below threshold)
Maurice:

Green's comments are typical leftist hatred. Leftists have killed hundreds of millions, starting from the French Revolution to the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia etc. Che is the prototypical hate-filled Leftist, and it's no wonder they love to have his murderous visage on T-shirts and posters.

Green's disgusting post is right in line with that kind of hatred. No, sorry, Rush has NOT been the cause of the increase in "depravity", it's been the Left and its immoral and corrupt desire for power and its insane desire to "improve" our lives by forcing that power on the rest of us who want freedom.

The really sad thing is tha... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

The really sad thing is that the Left is always trying to take the Tax Exempt status from any Religious group afflicted with Conservatives.
However Churches that have politicians take the pulpit or speak on Left leaning political polices are A OK.

steve g ...when yo... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

steve g ...

when you admit that Obama attended a racist church for 20 years ... then maybe you can try and point a finger at Rush and call him a racist ... no evidence to support that of course but you would at least have standing to do so ...

we DISAGREE with your liberl beliefs but we don't hate you ... you hat us BECAUSE we disagree with you ...

your anger at Obama selling you out ends to find another place to vent ... how about the Daily Kos ?

At the time I wrote this co... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

At the time I wrote this comment there were 6 comments on the post above which specifically addressed Limbaugh's hospitalization - all 6 are wishing him well...

And on this post there are 11 comments attacking me in some way or another.

That's what hate has done to the conservative movement. Limbaugh is a leading proponent of that conservative hatred towards their fellow Americans who dare disagree.

Welcome to Limbaugh territory... where hate trumps love 11-6.

well said here - <... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:
19. Posted by Steve Green <... (Below threshold)
justpassingthrough:

19. Posted by Steve Green

Don't give me this conservatives are blah, blah, blah horseshit.
You liberals have been doing this shit for decades and now your whining about being picked on.
Get use to it bitch.

"And on this post there are... (Below threshold)
Carol:

"And on this post there are 11 comments attacking me in some way or another."

whine, whine, whine

You spew hateful lies and then when other commenters call you out on it and talk back it is them who are hateful.

You are so transparent that it really is too funny.

Steve, I guess the answer t... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Steve, I guess the answer to my question is that you DON'T know what projection is.

Steve G, you must think hig... (Below threshold)
CDR M:

Steve G, you must think highly of yourself to think that I hate you. Far from it, I just think you are a sorry, not too intelligent, rude individual. By the way, I take it you have no examples to cite of racist hatred committed by conservatives since you haven't responded yet.

Steve Green is moving from ... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

Steve Green is moving from thread to thread attacking a guy in the hospital and we're the haters?

Getting back to the point o... (Below threshold)
James H:

Getting back to the point of the original post ...

At those times that I've poked my nose into churches, I've found that my favorites are either apolitical or subtle about their political leanings. These churches tend to focus on matters spiritual, and leave your vote and your political preferences to you.

No, he doesn't know what pr... (Below threshold)
JB:

No, he doesn't know what projection is. Self-reflection is not a quality many liberals possess. I mean, it's dangerous -- first, you analyze your own words and deeds, who knows where that may lead to? You might find some of them disconcerting, and feel a need to change. And then we enter into the dangerous vicinity of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Why, before long, you can no longer be a liberal!

AS James H. said, Getting t... (Below threshold)

AS James H. said, Getting to the original topic and not troll-feeding..

The author said, "However, the synagogues around here are practically recruitment stations for Obama"

My honest question is WHY? Why are American Jews so liberal? I have heard that it goes back to the "Dillingham Commission" (Wiki it!) and subsequent laws passed by a Conservative Congress limiting the immigration of Jews. That seems like a long cultural memory.

I recall heated discussions with Jewish friends over the virtues of John Kerry. They loved even him!

So why? What reasonable explanation for what I see as unreasonable and even self-defeating (for Zionists) attitudes?

steve green is a racist.</p... (Below threshold)
Greg:

steve green is a racist.

I was pleased to f... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:
I was pleased to find an Episcopal church...
I knew how that was going to end right there. National Review once had a great cover story titled "Are There Episcopalians In Foxholes?" The amazing thing is that the story appeared more than 15 years ago!!!
Seems to me that I remember... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Seems to me that I remember news stories from six months or so into G.W.B's first term proclaiming great shock in Israel at the realization that the Bush administration was a greater friend to Israel than the Clinton administration had been.

Certainly some of that could be sluffed off to our MSM projecting their own feelings, but politics and culture in Israel is not monolithic and in at least some segments the above was no doubt true (probably the segments where the MSM actually knew people to whom they could talk).

One way to be sure that the... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

One way to be sure that the person commenting is devoid of any intellect is when you see them arguing against the motive for an argument rather than against the argument itself.

Case in point, "steve green". Rather than rubbing two brain cells together to attempt to form a counter argument to the claim that Leftist aren't tolerant, "steve green" shows how shallow his mental resources are by arguing the person is 'racist' or 'hateful' for making the claim. He's oblivious to the fact that even if his point were true, it does not invalidate the claim made. And therefore, his argument is completely pointless, except to illustrate that "steve green" is a moron.

Thank you letting us know that, "steve green". Might I suggest it would be succinct if you used it as a title - as in "steve green, moron"

My honest question... (Below threshold)
James H:
My honest question is WHY? Why are American Jews so liberal? I have heard that it goes back to the "Dillingham Commission" (Wiki it!) and subsequent laws passed by a Conservative Congress limiting the immigration of Jews. That seems like a long cultural memory.

I wonder if American Jews have a similar correlation between religiosity and conservativism as the general population. That is, what percentage of Jews are religious? And if a majority are more secular than religious, then a larger proportion of liberalism would not surprise me.

If only the Obama administr... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

If only the Obama administration were as transparent as Steve G. He let's the world know he is a conservative hating racist, but Obama goes out of his way to hide his birth certificate, college/university papers, passport, etc. Obama is scared SH*TLESS.
Get well soon Rush. You are desparately needed.
Madalyn

I am so glad that she found... (Below threshold)
Iowaright wife:

I am so glad that she found a Catholic Church to attend. I became an adult Catholic,and truely feel I have found a home. I do know ther are very politically motivated priests and even had one in a pulpit of the church I attended. He did not last long as I as well as many other parishoners made it very clear to him and the other priests that while they were welcome to their own political views, the pulpit was not the place for them, no matter what the views were. He ended up leaving our church for another. I pray every day for the churches he went to. I love going to church and I stay very active on as many committees as I can. My political views are my own, but when I am at church, my focus is serving God. May all people go for that reason, and to feel God's love in their lives.

"And on this post there ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"And on this post there are 11 comments attacking me in some way or another."

"That's what hate has done to the conservative movement."

Steve, you bring it on yourself, dude. Are you that blind? You enter a mostly conservative blog, start insulting people right off the bat and then call them hateful for dishing it right back at you? I honestly can't think of a single time you've entered the conversation and gave an opinion on the subject without insulting everyone else on the board or offering some baseless sweeping accusation to include everyone in the conversation.

Your first post on this thread was a thoughtless remark implying that a supposed Christian's bigotry and rejection based on politics was acceptable and used a broad brush to do it.

Do you not see the log in your own eye?

I would NEVER frequent a liberal blog and be so consistently rude and verbally abusive. Never. If my purpose was to make someone of another persuasion understand me, it would stand to reason that being polite might go a long way.

Now, if you want to complain about particular individuals here who are equally as rude as you have been, my suggestion is that you address them specifically, rather than to just generalize and spray everyone with the same bullets. That goes for many. No matter what side of the aisle they come from. But I have no pity for those whose tactic is to invite insult and then criticize when they get it.

No, he doesn't kno... (Below threshold)
JLawson:
No, he doesn't know what projection is. Self-reflection is not a quality many liberals possess. I mean, it's dangerous -- first, you analyze your own words and deeds, who knows where that may lead to? You might find some of them disconcerting, and feel a need to change. And then we enter into the dangerous vicinity of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Why, before long, you can no longer be a liberal!
One of the things I've noticed is that liberals don't seem to see the inherent contradictions in what they say.

Back when Clarence Thomas was proposed for the Supreme Court, the woman I was dating was totally aghast at the accusations of harrasment by Anita Hill, pointedly saying that no woman would ever lie about something like that. When Bill Clinton came along later, with the near continual bimbo eruptions and claims of rape - she handwaved them away saying they must be lying.

The relationship didn't last, for some strange reason...and I was the one who bailed. When your standards of ethical behavior are dependent on perceived political affiliations, there's something seriously wrong with the firmware.

Oyster -"... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Oyster -

"Steve, you bring it on yourself, dude. Are you that blind? You enter a mostly conservative blog, start insulting people right off the bat and then call them hateful for dishing it right back at you?"
But that's the point he's making - that we SHOULDN'T be responding to it. He seems to think he's entitled to be as rude and miserable and unpleasant as he possibly can online, while everyone else is supposed to just accept it and tolerate it. Because if we DON'T, then it automatically validates his viewpoint of conservatives being the bad guys. He sees himself on the side of the angels - and our reactions to his posts just confirms it.

The idea that he NOT leave a turd in the punchbowl simply doesn't register.

Steve G. et. al. .. Do you ... (Below threshold)
James H:

Steve G. et. al. .. Do you guys have anything to say that actually has SOMETHING to do with the OP or the unfolding discussion about religious, ethnic, and political identification among American Jews? If not, could you kindly end your God-pounding flamewar?

James H,I apologize ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

James H,
I apologize for jumping in here because I have not participated in this thread. But for info on this topic that bypasses Steve Green innuendo there is Norman Podhoretz's book: http://www.amazon.com/Why-Jews-Liberals-Norman-Podhoretz/dp/0385529198/ref=sr_1_1/177-9221467-6835343?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262278812&sr=1-1.

Also in Commentary Magazine two or three issues ago, there was a similar discussion by various prominent (and what I would call neoconservative for the most part) Jews on this very subject. Their opinions were varied but interesting.

Just sayin'.

It's been my experience the... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

It's been my experience there's fewer people less tolerant than those who remind you at every opportunity about how 'tolerant' they are.

In general, if someone need... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

In general, if someone needs to point out they have a certain quality, they don't have it.

I fell out with the Catholi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

I fell out with the Catholic church when I was young, probably too young (being high on rebelling more than anything, looking back). Years later, I went back, and I also tested the waters at other Churches and Temples. Some seemed more like social clubs, rather than places of worship. Not what I was after. Others were only interested if you were the right template, or were born into their faith. I was not what they were after.
After sampling just about every flavor of Christianity, Judaism, Bhudism and Islam, one thing I found still stuck out: The Catholics were more concerned with what I believed religiously than socially/politically than Episcopals/CoE and other organized protestants. That is, Catholics were not so concerned with how I voted and donated unless it stepped on certain territory, like abortion.
The Anglicans, however, were willing to entertain some pretty loose understandings of the religion while expecting adherance to accepted policital beliefs. Keep in mind that this varied from one congregation to another, what was considered the correct details of political orthodoxy.

And then there are the Baptists... :)

Steve Green is mov... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:
Steve Green is moving from thread to thread attacking a guy in the hospital and we're the haters?

25. Posted by klrtz1 | December 31, 2009 6:11 AM

Perhaps hatred of liberals is behind your lying.

I haven't posted a comment in this blog in days, and this post is the only one I commented on. I am not moving form thread to thread... That's a lie.

And he's not the only liar on this thread, there are others.

So what drives conservatives like this to lie? Just flat out lie?

Could it be your hatred of liberals?

The kind of hatred stoked by Rush Limbaugh?

And the topic of this post ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

And the topic of this post is tolerance, for those of you whose hatred has blinded you to the topic at hand.

How ironic.

You reap what you sow, Stev... (Below threshold)
John Irving:

You reap what you sow, Steve. And all you sow is bitterness.

Go enjoy your New Years Eve. 2010 isn't looking too good for you politically, so try to have a good time in your regular life.

Maybe you'll find something to relieve you of that burden of hatred you carry with you constantly.

SCSIwuzzy - "In general,... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

SCSIwuzzy - "In general, if someone needs to point out they have a certain quality, they don't have it."

Yep. Had a girfriend who was always touting how honest she was, and how trustworthy... until she ripped off some of my friends and stole my car. Man, could I pick 'em back in the day... Thankfully, I finally started thinking about why I kept picking the odd ones, and figured out that what I kept looking for wasn't what I was wanting at all.

Which reminds me of this old joke.

A hunter goes into the woods to hunt a bear and takes with him his trusty 22-gauge rifle.

After a little while, he spots a very large bear, takes aim, and fires. When the smoke clears, though, the bear is gone.

A moment later the bear taps this guy on the shoulder and says, "No one shoots at me and gets away with it. You have two choices: I can either rip your throat out and eat you alive, or you can drop your trousers, bend over, and..."

The hunter figures that anything is better than death, so he drops his trousers, bends over, and the bear delivers on his promise.

After the bear leaves, the hunter pulls up his trousers and staggers into town vowing revenge.

He buys a much larger gun and returns to the forest. He sees the same bear, takes aim, and fires. When the smoke clears, the bear once again is gone. A moment later, the bear taps him on the shoulder and says, "You know what to do."

Afterwards, the hunter pulls up his trousers and crawls back into town. Now he's really mad, so he buys himself a bazooka.

He returns to the forest, sees the bear, aims, and fires.

When the smoke clears this time, the bear taps him on the shoulder and says, "You're not REALLY here for the hunting, are you?"
Steve -

It's kind of sad how you miss the point from the start and keep compounding your error. Perhaps you really, really ought to take a look in your own mirror before you start accusing others of hatred and intolerance.

45. Posted by Steve Green |... (Below threshold)
justpassingthrough:

45. Posted by Steve Green | December 31, 2009 1:48 PM |
How ironic.

You bet, how ironic.
Consider how the standard has been set by liberals in there view of "tolerance" so now you whine about about being ragged on.
Pant shitter

"At the time I wrote thi... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

"At the time I wrote this comment there were 6 comments on the post above which specifically addressed Limbaugh's hospitalization - all 6 are wishing him well...

And on this post there are 11 comments attacking me in some way or another."

19. Posted by Steve Green | December 31, 2009 1:29 AM

I didn't lie Steve Green. I just quoted you. You are the hater and the liar.

One of the many reasons why... (Below threshold)
Tregonsee:

One of the many reasons why the Episcopal Church is shrinking around 50k members per year, by their numbers, more by more honest ones. They have effectively replaced the Decalogue with the Millennium Development Goals.

And some of their loss, Tre... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

And some of their loss, Tregonsee, has been the Catholic church's gain.

"You reap what you sow, ... (Below threshold)
914:

"You reap what you sow, Steve. And all you sow is bitterness.

Go enjoy your New Years Eve. 2010 isn't looking too good for you politically, so try to have a good time in your regular life."

This is his regular life...Posting from granny's basement.




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