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Breaking: Pelosi doesn't have the votes for Obamacare

I'm cautiously optimistic as always but I think you can stick a fork in the current (Senate) version of Obamacare, it's done. Nancy Pelosi announced that she doesn't have the votes to pass the Senate version. Via the Washington Post:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that the Senate will have to amend its version of a health-care reform bill before her chamber can pass it.

"I don't think it's possible to pass the Senate bill in the House," Pelosi told reporters after a morning meeting with her caucus. "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

Don't worry, the media bias is still as strong as ever. Who ruined the dream of better health care for Americans? Scott Brown. The WaPo opines:
Republican Scott Brown's victory Tuesday in a Senate special election in Massachusetts blindsided Obama and Democratic leaders, who had nearly reached the finish line on an ambitious overhaul of the nation's health-care system and were beginning to turn their attention to other challenges, namely creating jobs and lowering the deficit.
Yes, I'm sure deficit reduction was going to be a top priority for Obama, Pelosi and Reid if Brown had lost and Obamacare had passed. Please.

Nothing truly ever dies in politics but I think this one is a buried pretty deep.

Update: A quick survey shows that FOXNews and conservative sites such as Hot Air are covering this story. I couldn't find any mention of Pelosi's press conference on CNN or MSNBC. Just like the rise in jobless claims last week, any media bias you see should be unexpected.


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"I don't think it's poss... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"I don't think it's possible to pass the Senate bill in the House," Pelosi told reporters after a morning meeting with her caucus. "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

The fact that the Senate version won't pass the House is nothing new, and it doesn't signal the end of the bill. It merely means that more compromise is needed from the Senate side.

Steve Green has an odd pers... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Steve Green has an odd perspective on this. He seems to think that only the Senate (the "deliberative" chamber of Congress) needs to compromise when the House and Senate bills aren't identical.

What about that resolution process where a committee from both houses meets and merges the two bills into one that both houses can pass, Steve? It seems to me that's happened in the past. It sure sounds like, "Be reasonable, do it my way." is your idea of compromise. I know that's Obama's idea of bipartisanship.

Good riddance! Now if We co... (Below threshold)
914:

Good riddance! Now if We could just stick some forks in Dingy, Piglosi and Seizer!

Hey racist stevie green sto... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Hey racist stevie green stop showing your ignorance. With Brown's election...this abomination of a bill is dead.

I thought Brown was elected... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

I thought Brown was elected to the Senate ?
How does that hurt Pelosi in the House ?

stevie G ...

The House won't pass a bill without Stupak in it, the Senate won't pass a bill with Stupak in it ... good luck finding middle ground ...

This is all good for the ra... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

This is all good for the rational person who knows the CURRENT healthcare system is in need of modifying but not an entire overhaul. Reality and saneness has landed. Obama has lost his aura. ww

Is the media going to blame... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Is the media going to blame Brown for ruining Obamacare, or credit him with it?

Obama graded himlsef... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:


Obama graded himlsef a B- or whatever

Steve G. how would you grade Reid and Pelosi during the past year???

Republican Scott B... (Below threshold)
kevino:
Republican Scott Brown's victory Tuesday in a Senate special election in Massachusetts blindsided Obama and Democratic leaders
The only way they got blindsided is because they're blind. The House bill passed by a handfull of votes, the Senate bill barely passed after huge bribes given to certain senators, and the anger of the American people has been gaining strength and organizing for months. President Obama and Democratic leaders had to have known - unless they're totally out of touch - that getting anything passed was going to be a longshot at best. The good news for Democrats is that Scott Brown's election may save them the embarrassment.


Who had nearly reached the finish line on an ambitious overhaul of the nation's health-care system

LOL. Getting this mess to this point has taken, what, the better part of the past year!? Getting it through to the end was a long way off as more House and Senate Democrats started getting cold feet. Even before Brown's election, multiple Democrats began announcing that they were not running for re-election. The sound of that many political pros heading for the door had to be making Democrats nervous.



And were beginning to turn their attention to other challenges, namely creating jobs and lowering the deficit.

Yeah, right. Instead of doing the right thing for the stimulus bill in the first place, they filled it with useless pork spending and bribes to their favorite constituencies. Democrats expected the economy to heal itself, it didn't, and now we have a jobs shortage that is worse than it was. The deficit was bad before they took office (thanks to an out-of-control GOP President and a Democratically controlled House and Senate), but they've been throwing gasoline on the fire ever since. And the healthcare reform bill threatened to dump tons more red ink onto the problem.

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2009 in review for Democrats:
Jobs: FAILURE after little effort
Deficit: TOTAL FAILURE after no effort at all
Healthcare: EPIC FAILURE after monumental effort
Rest of domestic agenda (e.g. cap and trade, immigration reform): still born

Wow! Barry's flapping His y... (Below threshold)
914:

Wow! Barry's flapping His yap as usual and the stock market's plummeting! If He cut tax'es only slightly the economy would rebound enormously. Ha ha ha ha, yeah right, instead, Siezer will continue on this poverty path so He can wallow in the misery He thrive's upon.

Let's see. With an UNSTOPP... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Let's see. With an UNSTOPPABLE majority in BOTH houses, the Democrats could not pass their SIGNATURE Health Care REFORM Bill. So now it's Scott Brown's fault?

Fucking ignorant MSM!

Obama's entire legislative program was predicated on PASS IT NOW!, IT'S AN EMERGENCY!, DON'T DEBATE IT!, DON'T READ IT!, DON'T THINK ABOUT IT! PASS IT NOW!

Barry's plan has just been shoved up his ass by the people of Massachusetts. And the really FUNNY part is that he carried that state by 26 points! Teddy is spinning in his grave so much, Washington is thinking of harnessing him as an alternate energy source. You remember Teddy, the guy who got the rubber stamp Democratic legislature to change the state law on Senatorial succession; moving it from appointment by the governor to a vote of the people. Here's to you, Teddy! Fucked by your own devious planning!

"Wow! Barry's flapping H... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Wow! Barry's flapping His yap as usual and the stock market's plummeting!"

The stock market drop began the morning after Brown's election and is now continuing.

Maybe tea partiers [ed: Steve inadvertently used on offensive sexual term on a public web site, I've corrected it for him] were celebrating and didn't notice...

While the Dems had a 60 person fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate the stock market soared.

As soon as Brown was elected the stock market dropped.

Damn tea partiers [ed: Whoops! Steve slipped up again. No worries, I'm sure he'll be happy I corrected things for him]....

"While the Dems had a 60 pe... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"While the Dems had a 60 person fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate the stock market soared.

As soon as Brown was elected the stock market dropped."

Stevie, just like Obama, do you actually believe the horseshit you peddle? Let's see, so far Brown has KILLED ObamaCare. Now Brown has KILLED the stock market. A guy no one knew about 3 months ago, suddenly has all this POWER. SHIT! Next you'll be telling me that Brown is the NEW AND IMPROVED OBAMASSIAH.

Stevie, you're a fucking IDIOT! Go drink some more Kool Aid, it will make you feel better.

I have an idea. Why don't t... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

I have an idea. Why don't the good people of Wizbang write a draft for health care coverage legislation. It could be submitted to your congress people and would be more constructive than just citing problems with what is on the hill now.

I know that most of you think there is noting wrong with the health insurance industry as all business is good business, but a sizable portion of the population of the US think we need something to help stop people going bankrupt from medical bills or being denied coverage for preexisting conditions.

Worlcitizen please shove yo... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Worlcitizen please shove your head back up your ass.

HEALTH CARE IS DEAD...fool!

"I have an idea. Why don't ... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

"I have an idea. Why don't the good people of Wizbang write a draft for health care coverage legislation. It could be submitted to your congress people and would be more constructive than just citing problems with what is on the hill now.

14. Posted by WorldCitizen | January 21, 2010 2:09 PM "

Four points:

1. Tort Reform
2. Allow companies to sell plans across state lines
3. No one can be excluded from coverage for pre-existing conditions (However, companies may charge more for some).
4. No more "hospitals have to provide free care to people who don't have insurance"
5. Deport all the illegal aliens.

That is all we need for the first go round. Make that up into 5 seperate bills and run with it.

Oh, and #5 will also help the unemploymnet problem.

After we live with those 5 items for a few years, then we go back and revisit health care and see if anything else needs doing.

Editor,Thank you f... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Editor,

Thank you for the cleanup in aisle 12.

Hey racist stevie green doe... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Hey racist stevie green does your mom realize what a pinhead she gave birth too?

an ambitious overhaul of... (Below threshold)

an ambitious overhaul of the nation's health-care system and were beginning to turn their attention to other challenges, namely creating jobs and lowering the deficit

This made me laugh. Considering that the "ambitious overhaul of the nation's health-care system" would have destroyed jobs and raised the deficit they can already declare some progress on those fronts just by failing to socialize our health care.

Oh, and Wizbang writers? Y... (Below threshold)

Oh, and Wizbang writers? You might want to point out that the Supreme Court just struck down some of the unconstitutional curbs on free speech. That's news.

"Stevie, just like Obama... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Stevie, just like Obama, do you actually believe the horseshit you peddle? "

What I stated is factual and true.

The stock market soared for the entire year this last year while Dems held a 60 person fillibuster-proof majority.

The day after Brown was elected the stock market fell. Today, the 2nd day after Brown was elected the stock market is falling again.

It isn't that Brown is a bad person, it's just that Republican power has increased in Washington as a result of Brown's election - and the stock market is reacting accordingly.

Fox predicted the stock mar... (Below threshold)
Steve Greene:

Fox predicted the stock market would increase if Brown was elected.

Fox Nation declares "Brown Win Could Cause Huge Stock Rally." TheFoxNation.com posted the headline "Brown Win Could Cause Huge Stock Rally" and linked to a post on NewsBusters.org:

Now, if tea partiers [ed: corrected] stood ready to give credit to Brown for a stock market increase surely you'll admit that Brown is the reason why the market is declining?

Current headline:<... (Below threshold)

Current headline:

Stocks slide as Obama calls for tougher bank rules

Truly some were napping when God handed out common sense.

And that would explain the ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

And that would explain the drop yesterday?.... not.

Truly some no longer have the sense God gave them.

And that would explain the ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

And that would explain the drop yesterday?.... not.

From MSNBC: Stocks tumble as Obama pushes bank rules

Stocks dropped Wednesday after China said it would curb bank lending to slow its economy. The latest sign of China's supercharged growth came on Thursday as the country reported 10.7 percent economic expansion in the fourth quarter and 8.7 percent for all of last year. The numbers reinforced concerns that China will take more steps to tighten monetary policy and rein in its economy, which could hamper a global economic rebound.
Concern about the U.S. economy grew Thursday after an unexpected jump in unemployment claims. The Labor Department said workers filing for unemployment benefits for the first time rose by 36,000 to 482,000 last week. Economists polled by Thomson Reuters were expecting a small drop. The four-week average rose for the first time since August.
Financial shares pulled the stock market lower Thursday as President Barack Obama proposed rules that would limit the types of trading banks can do with their money.

That damn Scott Brown, he must be the Devil for all the power he has.

"The day after Brown was... (Below threshold)
914:

"The day after Brown was elected the stock market fell. Today, the 2nd day after Brown was elected the stock market is falling again"

As I recall, I stated it first You hijacker Green! The market is freefallin because of Barry's incestuos desire to rule and sieze every iota of freedom out of the Country..!!

Put down Your acid laced kool-aid glass before Your head explodes!

No, actually, I covered yes... (Below threshold)

No, actually, I covered yesterday's financial analysis, um, yesterday. Please note my comment at the bottom that attributing the movement of a system as complex as world financial markets to one small, isolated daily event makes little sense. It doesn't matter whether that event is good for Democrats, good for Republicans, or good for the Na'vi of Pandora. It doesn't matter if the attribution is made by Glenn Beck or Chris Matthews. In most cases, it won't hold water.

From yesterday:

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. stocks were having their worst day of 2010 on Wednesday as lending restrictions in China worried investors about the global economic recovery, while a conservative outlook from IBM weighed down technology shares.

Official media and banking sources said Chinese authorities instructed some major banks to curb their lending over the rest of this month after an early burst of credit.

Signals that China may curb its economic expansion hurt shares of commodity-related companies, dragging the S&P materials sector down 2.4 percent.

Concerns over Greek debt helped push the euro to a five-month low against the U.S. dollar, weighing down commodity prices.

"You combine what's going on in China with the strength in the dollar and you have an unwind of the commodity trade," said Peter Boockvar, equity strategist at Miller Tabak & Co in New York. "Then you throw in mediocre earnings relative to expectations, and the market is taking a well-needed correction."

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I guess the argument is now that Reuters is a far right conservative outlet because it didn't link today's stock movement with the election of Scott Brown?

Now personally I think that attributing one day's activity on the stock market to one world event is the ultimate random comment generator. If people could make such attributions consistently, you'd know them by name because they would all make Bill Gates look like a pauper.

Well done Eric.As fo... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Well done Eric.
As for yesterday...

"Stocks get knocked back
By Alexandra Twin, senior writerJanuary 20, 2010: 5:42 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks slumped Wednesday as a strong dollar and questions about China's lending practices slammed commodities, one of the leaders of the recent rally.

IBM dragged on the tech sector as investors picked apart the company's outlook one day after sending the stock higher.

Commodities and commodity stocks were among the big leaders of the rally over the last year and the weakness in the sector dragged on the broader market Wednesday."

"Wall Street loves... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:
"Wall Street loves gridlock," Valdes says, and a Republican win is a defeat for the ability of the Obama agenda to move forward.

"The market does best when there is divided leadership in the White House and in Congress," explains trader Art Hogan, a Massachusetts native. "It slows down the potential for radical change" and that's a particularly appealing prospect with reform of Wall Street itself on the Democrats' agenda.

"The market will probably celebrate" tomorrow if Scott Brown wins, says Hogan.

It dropped the day after Brown was elected instead - and a day before Obama's announcement.

Here's a great headline:

The Scott Brown Selloff Gets Worse, Dow Down Nearly 160 Points

Scott Brown isn't a bad person, he's just a Republican.

little stevie,<blockq... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

little stevie,

What I stated is factual and true.

The stock market soared for the entire year this last year while Dems held a 60 person fillibuster-proof majority.


"Factual and true"??? Only in the alternate-reality world of the progressives.

You must have been too busy ****** [ed:Keep it clean please] from january through march to miss the complete meltdown of the stock markets during that time.

DOWS down 199.89 bitch! Tha... (Below threshold)
914:

DOWS down 199.89 bitch! Thank You Siezer!

Michael,My local h... (Below threshold)
WorldCitizen:

Michael,

My local hospital will be sad to know that they can no loger provide health care as it is dead.

This legislation was not about about regulating health care. It was about providing access to health care.

Mycroft,

Those are great points. Except for 4 and 5, in my opinion. the poor should not be excluded from care and illegal immagrants have nothing to do with health care.

Of course the Dems desire t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Of course the Dems desire to raise the debt limit once again (to the tune of over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS) wouldn't have an impact on the market.

Would it Stevie? You being the resident "know it all about all things financial".

Fucking idiot. Go get some more quotes to cut and paste from HuffPo and DK.

"This legislation was no... (Below threshold)
914:

"This legislation was not about about regulating health care. It was about providing access to health care."

BS!!! Its all about Siezer siezing everything and anything other People earn, pure and simple. Keep Your head up Your ass and out of our sight turd brain.

Hey Stevie, how about that ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey Stevie, how about that 'unexpected' rise in jobless claims. Did Scott Brown cause that as well?

I thought your Obamassiah's STIMULUS BILL was going to cure everything Stevie. What happened?

"No, actually, I covered... (Below threshold)
914:

"No, actually, I covered yesterday's financial analysis, um, yesterday"

I meant on this thread.. No offense.

"You must have been too ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"You must have been too busy ****** [ed:Keep it clean please] from january through march to miss the complete meltdown of the stock markets during that time."

(Thanks to the editor for the clean-up. Nice to know it's a two-way street)

On January 20, 2009 the Dow stood at 7949.

On January 19, 2010, the day before Brown's election, the Dow stood at 10,603.

In the one year period following Obama's inauguration the Dow increased 33%+

In the two days following Brown's election the Dow has dropped from 10,725 to 10,389, a drop of over 3% in two days.

Former Barack Obama supporter Jim Cramer on Friday said the stock market would have a huge rally if Scott Brown defeats Martha Coakley in Tuesday's special senatorial election in Massachusetts.

"I think investors who are nervous about the dictatorship of the Pelosi proletariat will feel at ease, and we could have a gigantic rally off a Coakley loss and a Brown win," said Cramer on Friday's "Mad Money."

How's that gigantic rally working out so far?

And how many of you tea partiers are putting your money where Cramer's mouth is, and investing now that the "Brown rally" is underway?

Re #s 4 and # 18:Y... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Re #s 4 and # 18:

You're welcome, Michael.

While your at it Steve Gree... (Below threshold)
Eric:

While your at it Steve Green, in January 2007, the DJIA was 12,500. Now after 3 years of a Democrat Congress the DJIA is below 10,500.

When the Stimulus Bill was passed in February President Obama said it would keep unemployment from reaching 8%, it's now 10% and will probably be above 10% a year after the Stimulus Bill.

Jim Cramer is not the President of the United States, it doesn't matter if he is wrong.

correction you're instead o... (Below threshold)
Eric:

correction you're instead of your. Damn fat fingers.

Soon to be ex King Seezer i... (Below threshold)
914:

Soon to be ex King Seezer is a blubber eared, lying 2 timing Chicago hood who brings incompetence, failure and misery everywhere He goes..

"While your at it Steve ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"While your at it Steve Green, in January 2007, the DJIA was 12,500. Now after 3 years of a Democrat Congress the DJIA is below 10,500.

No kidding - it took a huge drop during the final year of the Bush administration.

Bush = stock market drop.

Obama = stock market advance.

Brown = stock market drop.

It's pretty obvious, isn't it... but let's do that again.

Bush/Republican = stock market drop.

Obama/Democrat = stock market advance.

Brown/Republican = stock market drop.

Gee whiz.

worldcitizen "My local... (Below threshold)
Marc:

worldcitizen "My local hospital will be sad to know that they can no loger [sic] provide health care as it is dead."

And why is that? Got a link from the local rag with quotes from the hospital administrative stating such?

"This legislation was not about about regulating health care. It was about providing access to health care."

Really?

Then why do both the Senate and House bills contain language that changes how insurance companies operate with respect to preexisting conditions and other regulations?

That's not regulating?

Sure it is and you're either massively misinformed or an uber partisan hack.

s green.... No one, I repea... (Below threshold)
Marc:

s green.... No one, I repeat no one in this comment thread knows definitively, least of all you, whether Brown's election had an adverse effect on the stock market.

What we DO KNOW is you have completely and utterly ignored the other factors both quoted and linked to in this thread that also may have effected the market.

As a result, as is your norm, you look more than one nut short of a full Snickers Bar.

"As a result, as is y... (Below threshold)
914:

"As a result, as is your norm, you look more than one nut short of a full Snickers Bar."


Ha ha ha ha, better hunt for some more nutsacks sucker!

Im sorry Steven f Green..</... (Below threshold)
914:

Im sorry Steven f Green..

Let Me amend the above a bit.

You'd better hunt for some fresh nutsac's You yellow bellied sacsucker!

Republican Congress = unemp... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Republican Congress = unemployment goes down
Democrat Congress = unemployement goes up

Republican Congress = spending goes up
Democrat Congress = Republican Congress * 10

I like this. Care to play some more Steve?

Wow! First GW Bush gets bla... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! First GW Bush gets blamed for not regulating wall street enough so the "greedy" "evil" investors and bankers can line their pockets now little stevie says when GW Bush was president the stock market plunged. Their reality is way out of whack.

I am all for modifying healthcare. Remove the state barriers, waive pre existing conditions, take care of Cobra while you are looking for a job. I want all WORKERS in this country to not worry when there is a down turn in the economy and they may lose their job. However, I do not want the unmotivated, lazy, selfish freeloaders to get the same excellent care hard working americans get. ww

Watching the poor Valkyrie ... (Below threshold)
Sir Toby Belch:

Watching the poor Valkyrie at the mic today
was so satisfying. I noticed some rust on her
breastplates, and her speartip was missing.

"Watching the poor Valky... (Below threshold)
914:

"Watching the poor Valkyrie at the mic today
was so satisfying. I noticed some rust on her
breastplates, and her speartip was missing
"

Yes, Her facade has begun to dare I say....."Crack".

Instead of swapping spit wi... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Instead of swapping spit with Stevie, we should be celebrating the death of the healthcare bill, it seems to me. This is major shit, because it means we just got a little bit of control back from our own government.

The healthcare bill is probably the most wrong-headed pile of legislative bullying this country has seen in our generation, and it clearly demonstrates the dangers of one party rule. Our founders did everything they could to prevent this kind of tyranny, and if it wasn't for the common sense of voters in Massachusetts, this pile of crap would be on its way to becoming permanent law.

We owe the voters of Massachusetts an honest thank you.

"Mycroft,Those are... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

"Mycroft,

Those are great points. Except for 4 and 5, in my opinion. the poor should not be excluded from care and illegal immagrants have nothing to do with health care.

32. Posted by WorldCitizen | January 21, 2010 4:01 PM"

Actually it does. There is a large number of peole that can afford it, but don't because they get free health care by showing up at a hospital. By removing the duty of the hospital to provide free care, the savings go to the rest of us.

As for illegal aliens, Same thing, but they don't even pay taxes, so the effect is multiplied. AND they take jobs from Americans.

On the bright side for Pelo... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

On the bright side for Pelosi, however, Botox is not a carcinogenic.

I still don't trust that bi... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

I still don't trust that bitch not to try something to sneak this through.

Now is not the time to ease up the pressure.
If you have a congresscritter, House or Senate, who voted for this before, give their office a call and tell them not to vote for it.




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