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An Early Look at 2012

Having found it difficult to continue blaming former President George W. Bush for everything wrong with their lives, and being unwilling to attempt the growth necessary for personal accountability, the Aluminati have recently taken to imagining that the end of the world is near. Especially since President FairyTale now appears to be stunningly incompetent in his role, and therefore his re-election as Chief Executive appears to be as unlikely as the notion of AlGore living by the same draconian ecosystem he would impose on middle-class Americans; the Aluminati have concluded that a world without insipid Liberal con men in charge is a world that will simply implode. Vaguely aware that assigning the basis of their beliefs on the flimsy credentials of modern Liberalism alone is insane, the Aluminati maintain that The End is confirmed by a speculative and highly emotional interpretation of certain carved rocks left behind by the Aztecs and Mayans. One recalls that the Aztecs' prophetic ability led them to worship the invaders who eventually destroyed them, following several hundred years of a 'civilization' that included ritual human sacrifice, weather superstition, and the habit of ignoring the ecological effects of their cities and so moving from place to place as they used up resources in a manner to make the 20th Century's most industrial powers look positively eco-conscious. The Mayans are lost in history for the most part but for fanciful myths conjured up by hippies unwilling to consider that the Mayans abandoned their cities due to poor planning; the Mayans had a habit of building cities where food was insufficient and supporting resources unplanned; poverty, disease and peasant revolts were the most common attributes of their culture. Yet the Aluminati consider the Mayans and Aztecs the ideal template for human cultures to emulate, in much the same way that Obamarians stubbornly cling to their cult leader and his narcissistic fantasies. Just as the Aluminati cannot bring themselves to consider that the unsolved portion of the carvings on the tzolk'in at its end probably means something on the order of 'continued on next big rock', the 2012 election is likely to offer candidates more, hmm, mature and competent than the offerings of the last Presidential campaign.

It is too soon to say whether the Republicans have a decent shot at regaining the White House in 2012, since the GOP managed to nominate John McCain in 2008, which speaks loudly about the party's own competency issues. But 2012 could easily be a year of infighting in both parties, as the true identity of each party's most prominent members brings them to wrestle for control of their party's direction. Barack Obama has demonstrated the ability to win elections, but he did so on a foundation of false promises; he's not likely to win re-election that way. John McCain managed to claim the GOP nomination by playing on cross-over from Democrats and left-leaning indies in the primaries; that's not likely to happen again in 2012, either. The problem is, though, that strong opinions lose moderate support, but moderates are fickle except when they are angry. And while there are many ways to set off angry voters, continued support from moderates, the majority of voters that is, depends on demonstrating substance behind the façade. The ability to defend yourself when attacked by political opponents is also vital; not since Reagan have we seen a leader truly confident of his position and comfortable defending it. And as yet no new icon stands ready to assume that role. The Republicans are either clumsy, hypocrites, or both, while the Democrats are either hypocrites, traitors, ostracized by their party's leadership, or some two of the three. As for Independents, they lack the political leverage to gain major public support, and in any case they refuse to define themselves, and so their support fades soon after it begins.

If I had to pick the major contenders for the 2012 race, I'd consider that Barack Obama did set the stage; people still want hope and change. Ironically, President Obama represents neither in his actual job performance. Certainly President Obama will have his party's support for the most part through the first half of 2012; the incumbent generally gets his party's nomination even when he's Herbert Hoover in 1932, or Carter in 1980. But there could be a grassroots movement among Democrats to offer a real candidate, and if that happens we should see tremors of the approaching shift late this year, as happened to LBJ in 1966. If he should fail to claim his party's nomination for re-election, we may see Obama blame George W Bush one last time in public - one imagines an elderly Obama blaming W for his bad back and failing vision years from now, as well as the cancellation of his favorite TV shows and the changes in pop music. It's become so much his way, that one can scarcely imagine Obama growing up and taking up responsibility at this late date. But anyway, watch Hillary; if Obama continues to play chicken with the political iceberg in his way, his main in-party nemesis can be counted on to look again at the cards in her hand, which include strong cred in the party, fund-raising skills and a killer instinct in politics. This is important for a second reason, in that Clinton made sure that 2004 nominee John Kerry did not run in 2008, and so she will chase of a number of potential threats early on if she chooses to run in 2012. It's important to consider that while he was a late entry in the 1992 race, then-Governor Bill Clinton was seen as a rising start by 1990, just as Governor Carter was seen as a contender by 1974. Blocking out the new talent would not only help Hillary's run, but dilute the strength of the Democrats' field in the main, leaving a Bidenesque quality that would materially improve Republican chances.

As for the Republicans, I love her but sincerely hope that former Governor Sarah Palin does not run. In the same way that I love the humor of Michael Palin - the author and former member of Monty Python - I love the honesty and wit of Sarah Palin, but fear that most Americans would not take Governor Palin any more seriously as a Presidential candidate. Like Fred Thompson, who spoke brilliantly as an avatar of Conservatism but who lacked the stamina for a long campaign, Governor Palin strikes me as someone who has skills but not the whole package to be President of the United States. The Republicans need to nominate a person who has indisputable ability and relevant experience, but at the moment no one seems to quite rise to the level needed. We have good people, some good leaders, some inspirational speakers, but as yet no real contender. The stage is clear for the development of our nominee, which is to the good, but as of yet the spot is unclaimed. We dare not assume it will be filled of its own accord, or we shall end up with another poseur like McCain, or a nice-guy loser like Bob Dole. In years past we could hope for a contender from the Governorships of California or Texas, but Arnold is neither eligible nor a real conservative, and Rick Perry's best quality is his hair - his politics are more Austin-based than American-focused. Too many Republicans lack the skills, personality, or courage to stand long in that post. And so the field remains open, waiting for a real leader to emerge.


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Interesting - not a single ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Interesting - not a single mention of the Tea Party movement in Drummond's entire post.

First Palin, now this - another conservative writes off the efforts of the Tea party nation as being trivial and inconsequential.

Oh well, the "Tea Party" thing was a nice 10 month diversion which allowed the GOP to do nothing and get away with it as "the nation spoke".

Now what? Will conservatives pretend the Tea Party never happened, as Drummond is?

Steve -The reason ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve -

The reason the Tea Party movement is not mentioned is that DJ is talking about political parties and candidates. As the Tea Party movement is just that, a movement, and shows no signs of becoming anything else, it does not get mentioned.

As to the Tea Party being over I think you are quite mistaken. The Tea Party movement is really just part of a broader movement seen on both sides of the political aisle where the individual citizen has far more power o organize and make themselves heard. This trend is not going away anytime soon.

Logic class dropout & talki... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Logic class dropout & talking points automoton Steve Green: February 9, 2010 2:25 PM

Lets see what we have here:

1 off topic comment & 1 red herring.

2 non-sequitors, 1 lie and 2 red herrings.

1 more off-topic comment, 1 non-sequitor, 2 blatant lies and 3 red herrings.

1 off-topic question based on a faulty premise and 2 red herrings.

And yet, not a single comment by Steve Green addressing all of his and his fake "climatologist" pals lies about climate change.

Not. A. Single. One.

Why?

Because Steve Green is a liar who represents other liars, although poorly.

BTW DJ, I agree with just about everything you wrote and those items with which I disagree are quibbling and needn't be addressed as they would take away from the main points upon which we agree.

It's certainly shaping up to be an interesting year!

Steve's bias-induced ADD re... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Steve's bias-induced ADD rears again, I see. Steve, the reason I did not mention the Tea Party movement, is because the Tea Party is not tied to a political party. It's not conservative, nor Republican. There are liberals, the classic kind, who support the Tea Parties, and there are many, many independents who are demanding their elecetd representatives hear their grievances and start doing their jobs as the people demand.

John McCain was no Tea Party advocate, nor frankly are many on the business-as-usual GOP that ignored the Tea Parties or wrongly assumed they would have the support of those people, just because they were angry voters in a time of a Donkey White House and Jackass Congress.

You merely prove once again, Steve, that you don't understand the issues, their root causes, the proposed solutions, or the major players. You're three notches below 'clueless', son.

Sure American's will not ta... (Below threshold)
914:

Sure American's will not take someone with a proven record of success seriously but they will vote for an organizer who votes "present" and has no accomplishments besides self motivated one's.

I'll buy it..

DJ ~ I have to disagree tha... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

DJ ~ I have to disagree that "Governor Carter was seen as a contender by 1974." By WHOM, exactly? When he told his mother in 1975 that he was going to run for President, Miss Lillian replied, "That's nice, but President of WHAT?"

He wasn't even measurable in the early polls (as usual, Teddy was the early Dem fave). By hyping the until-then mostly ignored Iowa caucuses and spending over a year working that state and New Hampshire, he gradually became a plurality choice in an undistinguished field.

Republicans have had a tendency to give our nomination to "the next guy in line," going back to Nixon in 1960. Goldwater was an exception, as was GWB. Rockefeller would have been the "next guy" in '68, but his liberal policies were too much for the national party, enabling Nixon to come back "tanned, rested, and ready." Ford in '76, Reagan in '80, GHWB in '88, and Dole in '96 all qualified as "the next guy."

McCain managed to sneak through with pluralities in a crowded and fractured field in an anti-Republican year. It wasn't the process which was broken so much as the spirit of the party, IMO.

How precisely do we go about choosing and grooming our next leader? People like Reagan come along once in a lifetime, and there's no one on the horizon like that.

"The ability to defend your... (Below threshold)
davidt:

"The ability to defend yourself when attacked by political opponents is also vital; not since Reagan have we seen a leader truly confident of his position and comfortable defending it. And as yet no new icon stands ready to assume that role."

Palin has assumed this role.

Drummond declares the Tea P... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Drummond declares the Tea Party is not a conservative movement.

Wow - you guys are really throwing the whole Tea Party Nation under the bus.

First Sarah Palin refuses to step up and lead the TPN (although she gladly take their $100K - proving they aren't a conservative organization - after all, would a conservative org. invite Sarah Palin to speak at their convention? Of course not! - lol)

...and now conservatives like Drummond completely discount the TPM as irrelevant to GOP politics.

Well, those Tea Parties gave the GOP an excuse to do nothing for 10 months... it'll be interesting to see what excuse the GOP comes up with for being the "Party of No" now.

Jim: "How precisely do we g... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Jim: "How precisely do we go about choosing and grooming our next leader?"

Jim, it strikes me as true that real leaders, on the Republican side, are never really groomed.

We don't have nobody's like Obama who get selected by the big money-bags guys like Soros (who then runs around and starts about a dozen political action media groups which talk up his guy) which the media then protects.

Our folks have to develop themselves, fight for a place at the table (often beating out the most "establishment" candidate (Reagan vs Bush I), and then self-select themselves into the big fight.

When a true leader presents themselves (thru their own hard work and development), the party naturally coalesces around them.

I think this is a fair, if superficial, and yet fundamentally true observation.

I'd be interested in hearing counter examples.

I agree with DJ that the Te... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I agree with DJ that the Tea Party is not a conservative movement.

I have gone to Tea Party events. There are a lot of independents there. I have seen pictures of Green Party members attending a Tea Party event in California. I have been in crowds where we booed Republican elected officials.

It is not about conservatism per se. It is about a government that isn't growing by leaps and bounds and over taxing us for things we do not want to support. It's about a government that will actually listen to the voters.

It's really about having a government that leaves us alone to live our lives the way we want to live them whether we want to live them in a liberal or conservative manner.

If that is something you are against then so be it. I know a lot of liberals that are very much against the idea that anyone should be able to live their lives in a way that does not conform to liberal ideas.

I have a feeling that Hilla... (Below threshold)
Hank:

I have a feeling that Hillary is getting ready and she's not going to take any prisoners. She's still upset that the media went for the first african-american and not the first woman. There will be hell to pay.
She's now got the resume, and Obama makes her look like a woman of accomplishment, decisive, strong.

Don't count out Franken. He's the last one to know what a joke he is.

As for the repubs, no need to have a front-runner just yet. The dems will have that much more time to demonize and marginalize any repub front runners. And if there's one thing the dems and Obama need right now, it's someone else to target.

Palin should not be the nominee for 2012. However, since libs cannot resist her whatsoever, she can remain the lightning rod and continue causing them to act insane. Her endorsement will matter and she can raise vast sums of money to help the eventual repub nominee.

Is Pawlenty a possibility?

Last thought. Some here in Ma talk about Scott Brown. Too early to tell.

Scott Brown for pres?... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Scott Brown for pres?

I am sure that the dems will call him out for being too inexperienced. After all, a state senator with less than 2 years in the US Senate running for president? He totally lacks the experience necessary.

/snark

Poor Steve. If this were a... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Poor Steve. If this were a sports blog, he'd be the guy saying how the Raiders deserved to win the Super Bowl this year.

As I said little man, you're three notches below 'clueless'. Just sad, really.

Drago ~ Well, that's my poi... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Drago ~ Well, that's my point: it's easy to say we need to be bringing up the next tier of leaders, but in practice leaders only emerge.

The last thing we want to do is pick some unaccomplished "community organizer" just because he gives a good speech and "handle" him or her into the Presidency. Been there, done that, got the Joker tee shirt, turn the page . . .

"Poor Steve. If this wer... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Poor Steve. If this were a sports blog, he'd be the guy saying how the Raiders deserved to win the Super Bowl this year."

Uh yeah - cool - whatever.

The absence of any metnion of the Tea Party Nation in your comprehensive (albeit simpleminded) post about the GOP's 2012 chances say everything I needed to say, Drummond.

I just wanted to give you a chance to confirm several times that it was your intent to dismiss the Tea Party Nation as inconsequential to the true conservatives' plans - and you gave me what I wanted.

Steve:"The absence of any m... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve:"The absence of any metnion of the Tea Party Nation in your comprehensive (albeit simpleminded) post about the GOP's 2012 chances say everything I needed to say, Drummond."

Then why did you bother saying anything?

We have answered your questions clearly in a way you didn't want to hear: The Tea Party is not a purely conservative movement, but is focused on issues of individual freedom and government responsiveness to citizens.

You were told that the Tea Party, not being a political party, would not be fielding candidates and therefore was not germane to the discussion in the post.

Since you are still around maybe you could follow up on the Gibbs thread which you abandoned rather than answer the hard questions over there.

Wrong as usual, Steve. You... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Wrong as usual, Steve. You read what you wanted to read, and ignored the facts (again, as is your wont):

1. The Tea Party Movement is not tied to or the property/creation of any political party.

2. This article discussed the practice of the Democrats and Republicans, and their recent candidates for President. Since the Tea Party movement began after the last election, it has no relevance to the historical character of the discussion, or the party focus of the coming nominations.

3. It's no surprise that you fail to grasp the distinction between political philosophies and political parties. Potentially, both the Democrats and the Republicans must come to grips with the tenets of the Tea Party movement, which as part of its definition declared itself free from control by any specific political entity.

And Steve? Aluminati=you. Don't think we have not all deduced your Reynolds-Wrap headgear and the associated mindset that the disorder exhibits in such people as yourself.

"We don't have nobody's lik... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"We don't have nobody's like Obama who get selected by the big money-bags guys like Soros..."-drago

Soros and the Bush family have been in business together for decades. I believe it began with Soros acting as angel when Arbusto went bust-o. But probably goes back further than that.

Soros also groomed and sponsored McCain. A notable link is Soros-funded Reform Institute which seems to have been a gift dedicated to McCain's prodigious ego.

Going back further to Reagan; no need to expound on decade-long GE grooming to further GE's Cold War budgetary wish list.
But Reagan's Chicago connection: the Chicago Outfit (mafia) controlled the Hollywood unions at the executive level. Operating within its win/win "fixer" role (profiting from union skimming PLUS "fix" commissions with producers and management), SAG president Reagan *flipped" on his own membership and eliminated residual payment demands for actors earned for future TV reruns---a wrong that has only recently been corrected. After this perfidy, Reagan resigned and was awarded by MCA (management) with his famous MCA/GE gravy boat of automatic syndication for his crappy Death Valley Days plus lucrative "educational" speaking tours (with GE branding). Reagan's odd yet successful Vegas shows at the time are a mob signature of sorts, since the mob owned or controlled all the clubs. The mob was signalling its cronies everywhere that Reagan was Good People We Can Do Business With.

Anything, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Anything, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I don't know, maybe on-topic and not made up from your paranoid delusion, you'd like to contribute, bryan?

But thanks for proving why I referred to the Aluminati. Call the name and they come, first Steve and now bryan!

VA Gov. Bob McDonnell is th... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

VA Gov. Bob McDonnell is the obvious candidate on the GOP side.

I don't think she'll run, but if she did Sarah Palin would be squashed in a ridiculous landslide. For every Glenn Beck type she brought in she'd jettison an equal if not greater number of Main Street types.

No matter how bad things get over the next couple of years (and in various arenas, e.g., housing, job market, etc., we're not even close to the bottom) Obama will be a very tough candidate to beat. Keep in mind he'll automatically receive 95% of the black vote, along with other absurd percentages of various other microdemographics.

There will be a lot more GOP governors as of Jan. 2011 than there are right now, and of course many if not most of them would be legitimate candidates.

It'll be interesting to watch, if for no other reason than to observe just how clueless remains the Republican Party. This administration already has been a disaster that's set the country back decades, and if the GOP can't get it together and nominate a solid and strategic (and electable) ticket then it's hopeless.

1. The Tea Party M... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:
1. The Tea Party Movement is not tied to or the property/creation of any political party.

Correct. The GOP has distanced themselves, as you've demonstrated, and is now eager to throw the Tea Party movement under the bus.

Suggesting the Tea Party movement is not a conservative movement is bullshit. They had Sarah Palin as they're convention keynote speaker, paying her $100K. There were nothing but conservative themes at the Tea Party Nation convention. I guess you don't read much.

2. This article discussed the practice of the Democrats and Republicans, and their recent candidates for President. Since the Tea Party movement began after the last election, it has no relevance to the historical character of the discussion, or the party focus of the coming nominations.

More bullshit - the title of your post is "An Early Look at 2012" - not a look back at 2008. While your track record shows that you are incapable of accurately looking forward and assessing the landscape ahead, lying and suggesting that wasn't your intent just makes you plain disingenuous.

3. It's no surprise that you fail to grasp the distinction between political philosophies and political parties. Potentially, both the Democrats and the Republicans must come to grips with the tenets of the Tea Party movement, which as part of its definition declared itself free from control by any specific political entity.

The Tea Party movement is a splinter group of conservatives who are unhappy with the current state of the state and are further disenchanted with the GOP and their constant parade of RINOs.

Declaring otherwise is just more pompous gas bagging... but seriously - suggesting that your post titled "An Early Look at 2012" was really not a forward looking article is a move that will be hard to top.

Don't your quit day job - your humor is unintentional, but you're a riot nonetheless. I look forward to your next "analysis".

Sorry Steve, I forgot - you... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Sorry Steve, I forgot - you have to make it to Fourth Grade before they test you on reading comprehension. Pretty obvious you quit before then.

Steve - No one is ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve -

No one is denying that there are a lot of conservatives in the Tea Party movement. However, they are not one and the same. I know conservatives that dislike he Tea Party movement. I also know a lot of independents and a few liberals who support the movement.

It's not a force yet in the democrat party, but then the conditions for that party aren't right for the establishment of such a movement. I would wager that after the 2010 elections conditions will be far more favorable. Whether it looks anything like the Tea Party movement remains to be seen, but a grassroots movement of people dissatisfied with the direction of government and the party will develop.

Again the Tea Party is not necessarily about conservatism. It has very little to say about social issues like abortion etc. It has a more conservative/libertarian feel to it than almost anything else.

You will notice that the RINO's who are getting called out are the ones who are big tax and spend congressmen.

People are concerned about the size of government and the size of our deficits. they are concerned about government intrusion into their lives. Tea Party opposition to health care has more to do with keeping government out of our health care decisions than anything else. Ok, that AND it costs too much.

The Tea Party movement won't go away. That is not unless a major party moves and adopts the same philosophy of smaller government and less intrusion into people's lives. Not likely in my estimation.

Steve "the voice actuated t... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Steve "the voice actuated troll" Green: "Declaring otherwise is just more pompous gas bagging...."

Did somebody just mention obambi?

"fiscal hawk-don't mess with Him!" Sheriff Joe?

If somebody was actually engaged in pompous gas bagging, Steve and his pals have already proven (via their support of moron obambi ("corpse-man!!") and idiot biden ("the stimulus has worked perfectly") they'd be first in line to support them.

Aaaah, the sweet sweet smell of desperation!!

PA-12 is next on the chopping block steve-o!

Oh, let me guess, we don't have a chance. Why, that would be as crazy as a R winning in Massachusetts!

DJ, don't let the sad, sad utterances of an intellectually lazy and historically illiterate Stevie-O get you down (not that he would)!

We'll keep discussing ideas and substantive policies while the steve-o's of the world continue with their tired, tired (and now failed, thoroughly discredited and quite frankly pathetic) alinsky tactics.

Long live the Chicago way!!

....and by "long live", I mean 2012.

Just so you know.

At this rate, it might not even matter who the R nominee in 2012 is against this incompetent crowd.

Hey steve-o, how's it going with the New York terrorist show trials?

"maybe on-topic..."<p... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"maybe on-topic..."

Obama by, oh, 1 to 11 percentage points in 2012 depending on if the challenger is Romney or some neocon princeling.

"...and not made up from your paranoid delusion, you'd like to contribute, bryan?"

My sources: Dark Victory (Moldea) and Supermob (Russo).

"Aluminati"

Is the root Alumnus or Alum? (Don't get it. Is this some kind of state school rivalry thing/ criticism of "slant-eyed pussy"??)
Either way, Illuminati is the classic term and is vague enough for all occasions!

My source: Proofs Of a Conspiracy (Robison, 1798)

I have doubts that Romney w... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I have doubts that Romney would be successful in 2012. I don't think Huckabee would be able to sustain a strong campaign either.

Ultimately, I believe that the nominee will be selected from the ranks of current governors. I would think that Pawlenty, Mitch Daniels of Indiana and perhaps McDonnell of Virginia.

Daniels has been an excellent governor and has demonstrated that fiscal restraint and economic growth can be married successfully.

Palin is best in her role as issues advocate. She is charismatic and can bring issues into the lime light. The MSM trip all over themselves to cover her, if only to criticize her. The end result being that they cover her issues and she changes the discussion.

An earlier post of mine dis... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

An earlier post of mine discussing the Aluminati:

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/2005/06/aluminati-redux.html

The difference bryan, is th... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

The difference bryan, is that Illuminati are the unseen masters of the world, if the stories be true, while the Aluminati are merely pathetic purveyors of malicious gossip and paranoid delusion.

"No one is denying that ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"No one is denying that there are a lot of conservatives in the Tea Party movement. However, they are not one and the same. I know conservatives that dislike he Tea Party movement. I also know a lot of independents and a few liberals who support the movement."

Clearly there are conservatives who are throwing the Tea Party Nation under the bus. Nonetheless, the Tea Party movement is most definitely a conservative phenomena, and any "liberal" representation in that movement would be negligible.

No they're not one and the same, Conservatives as an organized group and Tea Partiers - but for Drummond to discount them completely - and for Jay Tea to outright attack them repeatedly in recent posts - suggests the acrimony conservatives used to reserve for... well, everyone else in the world who thins differently from them - is not being spared on their fellow conservatives who happen to align with the Tea Party movement.

The rest of us knew that Tea Partiers were wacko fringey nutcakes - the GOPer and RINOs are just now publicly admitting to that as well.

And as if on cue, Steve pop... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

And as if on cue, Steve pops in with slime, paranoia and delusion to prove my point. Looks like his divorce from Reality went through ...

"Palin is best in her ro... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Palin is best in her role as issues advocate. She is charismatic and can bring issues into the lime light. The MSM trip all over themselves to cover her, if only to criticize her. The end result being that they cover her issues and she changes the discussion."

Lol.... Palin is iconic of the conservative movement, and the ink given to her hurts the GOPs chances significantly.

You can proclaim she's not a viable part of your party, but she was the 2008 VP nominee, and every gaffe, every buffoonish, moronic move she makes going forward reflects deeply on the GOP chances in 2010 and 2012.

Just as Bush wasn't running and yet hurt the GOP greatly in 2008, so too will Palin do the same in 2010 and 2012 as long as she's in the spotlight - which she obviously craves.

This last weekend is a prime example. Ask the average American *what Palin said* and they wouldn't know - ask *what she did* and they'll reply that she made an ass of herself by writing crib notes on her hand.

The gift that keeps on giving....

bryand: "Obama by, oh, 1 to... (Below threshold)
Drago:

bryand: "Obama by, oh, 1 to 11 percentage points in 2012 depending on if the challenger is Romney or some neocon princeling."

BryanD (1968): "Humphrey by 1 to 11, depending on which Bircher princeling the R's put up."

BryanD (1972): "McGovern by 1 to 11, depending on which white supremacist with a "southern strategy" the R's put up."

BryanD (1980): "Carter by 1 to 11, depending on which fascist warmonger the R's put up."

BryanD (1988): "Dukakis by 1 to 11, depending on which anti-union anti-homeless anti-woman candidate the R's put up."

BryanD (2000): "Gore by 1 to eleventy-seven, depending on which cowboy the R's put up."

BryanD (2004): "Kerry by 1 to 1.0000000000twelve depending on which cheney-controlled neocon war criminal the R's put up."

BryanD (2009): "Corzine by 1 to 1400 krugerrands depending on which fat boy the R's put up."

BryanD (2009): "Coakley by 1 to 11 overturned oldsmobiles depending on which truck-driving gun-owning bitter-clinger-er the R's put up."

Like obambi is going to win by 11 in 2012.

Too funny!

Where were we now? Oh yes, Li'l Stevie Green was lecturing us on the melting glaciers and bryand was just coming out his drug-induced stupor to regale us with "trilateralist", "neocon" and "bilderberger" visions.

If only we could package stevie and bryand and market them as the "voice of democrat reason" across the country.

What a swell idea.

Moron-supporting Steve Gree... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Moron-supporting Steve Green: "Lol.... Palin is iconic of the conservative movement, and the ink given to her hurts the GOPs chances significantly."

Yes, yes. Of course she hurts the GOP chances. That's why you and the left are so adament about "helping" us see the error of our ways....

Steve, if it hurts us so much, why are you working so hard to "help" us avoid such a predicament?

Oh, and how many car companies does obambi, sheriff joe and unions own now? I keep losing count.

They have also moved to take over all school loans.

Did you know that?

Why not? Was your paper lost in the flood from the melting glaciers?

What's the matter? Hungry Polar bear got your tongue?

Tell you what, you leave us to our nominees, and we'll leave you to your chicago morons.

Remember, you will always have an advantage with all the corpse-men who vote in Illinois!

Steve,Who's more i... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve,

Who's more intelligent? The person who can remember what they want to say with 6 words written on their palm or the person who cannot deliver a speech to a sixth grade classroom without a teleprompter?

I simply said that she was a polarizing personality and an effective spokesperson for conservative issues. If you haven't noticed she gets a lot of press and dems come out from everywhere to complain about what she says.

it's the effective tool concept: She's effective. You're a tool.

Sorry Stevie, but the voice... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Sorry Stevie, but the voices in your head don't count as "the average American" ...

"And as if on cue, Steve... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"And as if on cue, Steve pops in with slime, paranoia and delusion to prove my point. Looks like his divorce from Reality went through ..."

Aw, come on Drummond, lighten up!

Tell us the joke about how your post titled "An Early Look at 2012" is not really a look ahead to upcoming elections -- and how the Tea Party movement is totally irrelevant to the GOP's chances in 2010 and 2012... lol.

"Who's more intelligent?... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Who's more intelligent? The person who can remember what they want to say with 6 words written on their palm or the person who cannot deliver a speech to a sixth grade classroom without a teleprompter?"

That would be funny - if it were only true. The speech was televised - and fully justified using the Teleprompter. It was a major position speech.

But lies like "Obama uses a Teleprompter to speak to 6th graders" is exactly the kind of bullshit your party relies on to make points.

Sarah Palin couldn't have said it better - if she remembered to write it on her hand first.

Aaaaaawwwww. Poor Steve-o.... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Aaaaaawwwww. Poor Steve-o. His party controls the whole enchilada and he has not a thing to say about anything they are doing.

Except maybe about how obambi really wants a climate change bill!!!

Climate change bill!!

Did you get that?

Right after the lies have all been exposed (many by Steve-o himself) this chicago moron-thug loser wants to keep pushing a climate change bill?

Why? Who knows. All I know is his policies would turn our economy into a "corpse"!

"Corpse". Ha ha ha! Get it?

And he said it with a teleprompter!!! Ha ha ha ha!

A real genius.

So strange. We were told he was "articulate and cleas as a whistle" too.

DJ's final point is absolutely correct: the R field for 2012 is wide open. Wide open. It's doubtful that any R washington insider type is going to be nominated from our side. An exception might be an "outside insider", someone who is seen as sufficiently distant and hasn't been there too long.

Which one? Who knows? Who wants to run. Daniels has said "no". But we've heard that before.

By 2011 the field will be so tempting it's going to drag alot of folks in. Should be interesting!

Hey Steve-o, how many banks does obambi control now? I keep losing count!

Obama looked like an ass in... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Obama looked like an ass in front of sixth graders with a teleprompter. He is incapable of speaking extemporaneously.

Like it or not Stevie, Palin energizes the conservative voting block. Only a fool would deny that. So I fully anticipate your doing so.

Drago,Steve ran aw... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Drago,

Steve ran away from the Gibbs thread 3 hours ago because everyone was asking how it was that Obama couldn't pass health care and why it was the GOP's fault that it hadn't passed when Obama didn't need a single GOP vote.

Rather than give an answer he ran away.

Jim: "Rather than give an a... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Jim: "Rather than give an answer he ran away."

I know!

It's like he thinks the polar bears are going to get him!

Or the runoff from the melting glaciers are coming for him!

Or "sheriff joe" is headed his way and Steve doesn't want to "mess with him"!

His party controls everything.

The media loves his side.

And our little would-be stalinist in training can't even properly execute his soros-funded, media-matters directed mission!

Hey Stevie, why haven't you signed up for military service???

Chickenhawk!!!

Let's see. Drago reappears ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

Let's see. Drago reappears in the comment threads a few days ago proclaiming he has just flown in from rescuing a number of Fortune 500 companies from imminent collapse. (No, Really. It's what the man said. Right here in the comments thread. Before 60 readers, at least. Or his name isn't Drago!)

He then proceeds to manically type in a combination style of inner voice/stream of consciousness/hypothetical dialog (complete with sound effects) over a number of consecutive working days, and textually on the edge of his seat.

My diagnosis:

Drago copped some decent meth sometime on Sunday and has has been tweaking ever since, replete with euphoria and delusions of grandeur.
Occam's Razor declares it.

I would just like to point ... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

I would just like to point out that the liberal trolls are no longer using the term "teabagger". The fact they would all turn on a dime like that is more proof that their message is centrally controlled. Steve Green and bryanD do this for a job. They get paid for it and I bet not much.

Welcome to capitalism, boys! Ever considered starting a union where you work? More pay and shorter working hours, hmmmm?

Do you really think they ge... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Do you really think they get paid for that? Who would be so foolish as to pay for such poor work product?

Oh yeah, we're talking about the democratic party aren't we?

"Obama looked like an as... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Obama looked like an ass in front of sixth graders with a teleprompter. "

Only to the morons who look for every reason they can to proclaim their hated for anyone who doesn't think conservative. He's still way more popular then Bush, as much as that must pain you.

"Like it or not Stevie, Palin energizes the conservative voting block. Only a fool would deny that. So I fully anticipate your doing so."

She does indeed - she also energizes the opposition. Last time the opposition to Palin won. I expect that to happen again next time. She's a major-league idiot - that's why conservatives identify with her so strongly. She's sympatico - one of them.

While I was pecking out the... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

While I was pecking out the above, Drago ejaculated twice more. Wow.

That reminds me: Lost Weekend. Great movie.

ROTFLMAO!... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

ROTFLMAO!

"Steve Green and bryanD do ... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"Steve Green and bryanD do this for a job. They get paid for it and I bet not much."-klrtz

Why bless your pea-pickin' heart!
But, no.
Are you hiring? $20 per Wizbang-style post is my price; and yes I'm a lousy negotiator.
I can do Constitutionalist, Libertarian, and LaFollette progressive and not be fibbing.

I can do neocon as long as it's movie reviews, tv reviews, art, music, travelogues, or cautionary surveys of high quality erotic material that will be found in my house when I suddenly die.

Ah, I love Palin and the Te... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Ah, I love Palin and the Tea Party Movement. They bring out the absolute worst in the liberals and mainstream america notices. I am loving it.

DJ, for those of us who read your post AND understand it, very well done. Obama is a lock for the dems in 2012 but he cannot hide from his own words now. The hopey changey thing has worn out. The GOP has some time to develop someone. Actually, I think the next cycle will be pretty easy. ww

From Steve Green:<... (Below threshold)
Shawn:

From Steve Green:

First Sarah Palin refuses to step up and lead the TPN (although she gladly take their $100K - proving they aren't a conservative organization - after all, would a conservative org. invite Sarah Palin to speak at their convention? Of course not! - lol)

Actually Steve, here is what she plans to do with the fee:

She indicated she would donate her speaking fee toward other candidates and causes.

"I will not benefit financially from speaking at this event. My only goal is to support the grassroots activists who are fighting for responsible, limited government -- and our Constitution," she wrote."In that spirit, any compensation for my appearance will go right back to the cause."

Nice talking point, though.

"...they'll reply that she made an ass of herself by writing crib notes on her hand."

Steve, if she had written bullet points on an index card, would it have made any difference in how you would disparage this woman?

It is stunning that trolls like you and your fellow urchins of liberal punditry and press are so completely and reliably duped by this woman. She rules you with the effortlessness of Pavlov toward his dogs. Aren't you the least bit embarrassed at the fact that the very person you so swiftly denigrate as a buffoon can elicit from you such prompt and predictably pathetic responses?

Anyway, I'm actually proud of you, Steve.

You haven't interjected race into this discussion at all. Yet.

Which reminds me: Are you ever going to give an explanation as to why you attempted to make race an issue in this previous post?

Your refusal and arrogance to not even address it renders pretty much all of what you say here moot. Since you can't defend that with any amount of sincerity, let alone effort, it sort of puts believability of anything else you belch forth under an already strained state of credibility.

Readers on this blog have a long memory.

Your thoughtless participation provides reminders with every word written.

s green "Only to the m... (Below threshold)
Marc:

s green "Only to the morons who look for every reason they can to proclaim their hated for anyone who doesn't think conservative. He's still way more popular then Bush, as much as that must pain you."

You confuse pain, with comical.

Pssst.... "Obama's average approval rating stayed above 60 percent until mid-June, and was at 55 percent as late as October," said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "But since November, his weekly approval rating, on average, has hovered around the 50 percent mark."

Psssst.... "Bill Clinton held a 54 percent approval rating in January 1994. George H.W. Bush stood at 80 percent in January 1990, and 49 percent of the public approved of the job Ronald Reagan was doing in January 1982."

Geesh s green your LUV interest can even out poll a philandering Slick Wille at this point.

Bush left office with a stu... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

Bush left office with a stunning 70+ disapproval rating.

Obama isn't even close.

Obama will be a one term pr... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

Obama will be a one term president. Now that's popular.

Given the direction that ou... (Below threshold)
Burt:

Given the direction that our current administration is taking us, it would seem that a Cheney/Rumsfeld ticket might be very electable in 2012.

Steve Green: "Bush left off... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Steve Green: "Bush left office with a stunning 70+ disapproval rating. Obama isn't even close."

That's it??!!

Really??!!

That's all you've got??!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

obambi has been in office for a year and he's at 44% approval with a filibuster proof majority in the senate and supermajority in the house and THATS ALL YOU'VE GOT????!!

You poor pathetic creature!

Wow, I almost feel sorry for you!

Well, I guess obambi's stunning approval numbers explain why he's able to inject himself into races all over the country with stunningly successful "success"!!

Ha ha ha!

Your own party members are running from obambi and sheriff joe (is anyone "messin' with him yet?) as fast as they can!


I dont see the progressive ... (Below threshold)
bostinks2:

I dont see the progressive hilliary ever getting to the WH. BO is a 1 termer. T.E.A. party is gonna be a formidable guessing game for both parties.

Rasmussen has the President... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Rasmussen has the President at 48% Approve, 51% Disapprove, as of today.
Bush 43, Dec 2008, was 35/62.
Go back to Jan 2007, and Bush was at 41/57.
After years of an unrelentingly negative press and an unpopular 2 front war, Bush was in the same territory as Obama after one year. With a fawning press corps. Or as he would say, Press Corpse.




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