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Presidential Head-to-Head, Round 4 Results and Round 5 pairings

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Round 4 Results
G Washington 15, JQ Adams 0
GW Bush 4, J Monroe 11
A Lincoln 11, J Madison 4
J Kennedy 6, G Ford 9
J Adams 0, R Reagan 15
T Jefferson 15 vs M Van Buren 0
A Johnson 2, G Cleveland 12
A Jackson 11, B Harrison 3
H Truman 6, J Polk 8
C Coolidge 8, GH Bush 7
T Roosevelt 12, U Grant 2
L Johnson 3, R Hayes 11
W McKinley 13, J Carter 1
W Harding 2, Z Taylor 12
W Taft 13, F Pierce 1
J Garfield 11, WH Harrison 3
R Nixon 13, W Wilson 1
B Clinton 5, F Roosevelt 10
Fluffy Roadkill (1-2) - bye-

ELIMINATED (playing to avoid dead last)(4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3) 1, C Arthur (0-3) 7
M Fillmore (0-3) 5, J Tyler (0-3) 3
B Obama (0-3) -bye -

Round 5 Match-Ups
G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0)
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1)
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1)
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1)
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1)
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1)
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1)


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2)
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2)
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2)
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2)
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2)
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2)
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2)

U Grant (1-3) ELIMINATED
L Johnson (1-3) ELIMINATED
J Carter (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Harding (1-3) ELIMINATED
F Pierce (1-3) ELIMINATED
WH Harrison (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Wilson (1-3) ELIMINATED
B Clinton (1-3) ELIMINATED

Fluffy Roadkill (1-2) - bye-

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0)
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0)
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye -

Again, this is a triple-elimination tournament with pairings set up by initial random draws. This is not to be taken seriously, but to exercise perspectives of how different Presidents faced their duties, crises, and opportunities.

As before, no actual politicians were harmed in the creation of this post. I may admit to taunting a few, though.

ADDENDUM: Ike and Spike Play Catch Up

As Mr. Right observed, after the First Round, in which Eisenhower thumped Hoover 16-1, both Presidents took off to watch the Super Bowl and Miami and got, hmm, "distracted" in Miami and lost most of the week. If the real men were actually participating or this were something to take more seriously than an Obama campaign promise, this could be a big problem, but since this is entertainment with a bit of value in comparing situations and hypothetical comparisons, Ike and Spike (as I call them) get to play catch-up. Here are their Round Two, Three, Four and Five match-ups - the results here will only count with respect to Eisenhower (1-0) and Hoover (0-1):

D Eisenhower vs R Nixon
D Eisenhower vs A Jackson
D Eisenhower vs A Johnson
D Eisenhower vs J Polk


H Hoover vs C Arthur
H Hoover vs U Grant
H Hoover vs W Harding
H Hoover vs M Van Buren


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Comments (18)

"This is...to exercise pers... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"This is...to exercise perspectives of how different Presidents faced their duties, crises, and opportunities."

Why don't you use a grid chart design if there are three unique factors supposedly involved in your game?

i.e. Each president gets 3 scores: Dx, Cx, Ox

That still leaves you with plenty of artistic license in the weighing-out or factoring-in. Otherwise, this all seems like war solitaire with a custom deck of presidential playing cards.

signed, Curious in the Sticks

G Washington (4-0)A ... (Below threshold)
Clint:

G Washington (4-0)
A Lincoln (4-0)
C Coolidge (3-1)
GW Bush (3-1)
J Madison (3-1)
G Cleveland (3-1)
R Reagan (3-1)

J Kennedy (2-2)
J Adams (2-2)
M Van Buren (2-2)
W Taft (2-2)
Z Taylor (2-2)
H Truman (2-2)
GH Bush (2-2)

Well, I think most everyone... (Below threshold)
OhioRiver:

Well, I think most everyone is tired of both political parties since they no longer represent you....but only big government.

The TeaParty group will not hurt the Republicans because they did this to themselves.

There's a new book just out about a small town in America where the people stand up to federal tyranny ('career politicians, etc.) & starts the 2nd American Revolution.

Great read for 201 & upcoming elections. I recommend it.
www.booksbyoliver.com

0bama vs. Small mixed breed... (Below threshold)
Dr Carlo Lombardi:

0bama vs. Small mixed breed terrier's well chewed rawhide chew toy:
Chewy 1 -0bama 0

However the voting turns ou... (Below threshold)
914:

However the voting turns out, with Barry We all lose.

G WashingtonA Lincol... (Below threshold)

G Washington
A Lincoln
C Coolidge
J Polk
J Madison
G Ford
R Reagan

J Kennedy
J Adams - but can they both lose?
M Van Buren
W Taft
Z Taylor
H Truman
GH Bush

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) - too soon to tell, but probably Obama
M Fillmore
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye -

Round 5 Match-UpsG W... (Below threshold)

Round 5 Match-Ups
G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) GW
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1) John Q
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1) GW Bush
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) Jackson, by a hair
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1) Cleveland
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1) Reagan, as President (TJ's best stuff was not as President)


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) FDR.
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2) J. Adams
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) Van Buren
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) Taft
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2) Taylor
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) Truman
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2) GH Bush

U Grant (1-3) ELIMINATED
L Johnson (1-3) ELIMINATED
J Carter (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Harding (1-3) ELIMINATED
F Pierce (1-3) ELIMINATED
WH Harrison (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Wilson (1-3) ELIMINATED
B Clinton (1-3) ELIMINATED

Fluffy Roadkill (1-2) - bye-

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) Obama hasn't had a full term yet to make mistakes in
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0) Arthur
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye -

G Washington (4-0) vs J Mon... (Below threshold)
nehemiah:

G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0)GW
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1)Coolidge
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1)GWBush
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1)JMadison
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1)Cleveland
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1)Reagan


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2)FDR
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2)Adams
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2)
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2)
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2)
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2)
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2)

Buchanan vs. Obama -- Buchanan

Round 5 Match-UpsG W... (Below threshold)

Round 5 Match-Ups
G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) Washington
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1) Coolidge
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1) Bush
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) Madison
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1) Cleveland
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1) Reagan


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) FDR
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2) Nixon
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) Garfield
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) Johnson
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2) Harrison
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) McKinley
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2) Hayes

U Grant (1-3) ELIMINATED
L Johnson (1-3) ELIMINATED
J Carter (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Harding (1-3) ELIMINATED
F Pierce (1-3) ELIMINATED
WH Harrison (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Wilson (1-3) ELIMINATED
B Clinton (1-3) ELIMINATED

Fluffy Roadkill (1-2) - bye- Bye

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) Obama
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0) Fillmore
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye - Tyler

In all seriousness, it isn't quite right to include Obama, Bush and even Clinton at this early a date. Government actions and policies require years maybe decades to bear fruit. Also, with a random match up a three loss elimination is harsh. A president could be 5th best but run up against likes of Washington and Lincoln be knocked out early.

DEAD LAST... (Below threshold)
914:

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0)
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0)
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye -

J Buchanan vs Hussein- Buchanan


Round 5 Match-UpsG W... (Below threshold)

Round 5 Match-Ups
G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) = Washington
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) = Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1) = Adams
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1) = Polk
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) = Madison
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1) = Cleveland
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1) = Reagan (in a squeaker)


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) = Kennedy
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2) = Adams
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) = Van Buren
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) = Taft
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2) = Harrison
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) = McKinley
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2) = Bush

U Grant (1-3) ELIMINATED
L Johnson (1-3) ELIMINATED
J Carter (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Harding (1-3) ELIMINATED
F Pierce (1-3) ELIMINATED
WH Harrison (1-3) ELIMINATED
W Wilson (1-3) ELIMINATED
B Clinton (1-3) ELIMINATED

Fluffy Roadkill (1-2) - bye-

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) = Hmmmm... The one we've all been waiting for... sorry, I just can't make anyone worse than Buchanan... yet. He split the damn country up fer cryinoutloud = Obama (but not by much)... OUCH! It burns to type that! It burns! It burns!
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0) = Arthur
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye -

Umm... How the hell did Pierce and Andrew Johnson manage to stay out of the worst ever bracket???

And where the HELL are Eisenhower and Hoover???
In a heads-up match, Ike wins in a blowout, btw.

G Washington (4-0) vs J Mon... (Below threshold)
kevino:

G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) --> Washington
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) --> Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1) --> Adams
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1) --> Bush
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) --> Madison
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1) --> Ford
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1) --> Reagan

J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) --> FDR
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2) --> Adams
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) --> Garfield
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) --> Johnson
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2) --> Harrison
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) --> Truman
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2) --> Bush

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) --> Buchanan
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0) --> Arthur
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye - --> -bye-

SAY WHAT YOU MAY BUT LINCOL... (Below threshold)
poptoy:

SAY WHAT YOU MAY BUT LINCOLN AHEAD OF MADISON, IN MY OPINION, NOT.

G Washington (4-0) vs J Mon... (Below threshold)
simkeith:

G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) Washington
A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1) Lincoln
JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1) Coolidge
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1) Polk
J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) Jackson
G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1) Tough one. Ford
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1) Reagan


J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) Kennedy
J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2) Adams because he wasn't a crook
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) Garfield
A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) Taft
B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2) Taylor
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) Truman
GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2) Bush

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd ... (Below threshold)
simkeith:

DEAD LAST COMPETITION (2nd of 4-round-robin):
J Buchanan (0-3, 1-0) vs B Obama (0-3, 0-0) Buchanan
C Arthur (0-3, 0-1) vs M Fillmore (0-3, 1-0) Arthur
J Tyler (0-3, 0-1) -bye - Bye

Bill (above) makes a... (Below threshold)
James H:


Bill (above) makes a great point about recent presidents. You can't really assess Obama, Bush II, or Clinton because we don't have the benefit of historical perspective. That said, however:

G Washington (4-0) vs J Monroe (4-0) A Lincoln (4-0) vs T Roosevelt (3-1)

Washington over Monroe, Lincoln over Roosevelt. Washington forged the presidency in a time when it lacked rules, and Lincoln kept the Union together.

JQ Adams (3-1) vs C Coolidge (3-1)

Adams
GW Bush (3-1) vs J Polk (3-1)

An intriguing comparison. I am tempted to say "Polk" simply because he was a consequential president who accomplished his goals (among them, expanding the Union from coast to caost), but I must declare a draw. I can't render judgment on Bush.

J Madison (3-1) vs A Jackson (3-1) G Ford (3-1) vs G Cleveland (3-1)
Jackson (Madison muffed the War of 1812). Ford and Cleveland are intriguing. According to Wikipedia, Cleveland retained a reputation for honesty, while Ford was required to restore some of the presidency's reputation under Nixon. But of the two, gotta go with Cleveland. He was effective. Ford, not so much.
R Reagan (3-1) vs T Jefferson (3-1)
Jefferson.
J Kennedy (2-2) vs F Roosevelt (2-2) J Adams (2-2) vs R Nixon (2-2)
Roosevelt and John Adams.
M Van Buren (2-2) vs J Garfield (2-2) A Johnson (2-2) vs W Taft (2-2) B Harrison (2-2) vs Z Taylor (2-2)
Van Buren, Taft, and Harrison.
H Truman (2-2) vs W McKinley (2-2) GH Bush (2-2) vs R Hayes (2-2)

Truman, Bush I.

ADDENDUM: Ike and Spike Pla... (Below threshold)

ADDENDUM: Ike and Spike Play Catch Up

D Eisenhower vs R Nixon = Eisenhower
D Eisenhower vs A Jackson = Jackson
D Eisenhower vs A Johnson = Eisenhower
D Eisenhower vs J Polk = Polk


H Hoover vs C Arthur = Arthur
H Hoover vs U Grant = Grant (in a squeaker)
H Hoover vs W Harding = Harding (in a squeaker)
H Hoover vs M Van Buren = Van Buren

Wow! Those Hoover match-ups are wicked to pick!

G Washington A Linco... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

G Washington
A Lincoln
C Coolidge
GW Bush
A Jackson
G Cleveland
R Reagan


J Kennedy
R Nixon
J Garfield
W Taft
B Harrison
W McKinley
R Hayes

J Buchanan
M Fillmore




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