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Forced Unionization in Michigan

Imagine getting a letter in the mail that says you are now a member of a union and are required to pay union dues, even though you didn't vote to join a union? This is what happened to thousands of day-care providers in Michigan who receive state subsidies for caring for children who receive state aid. It's a scheme concocted by the state and the union to swell the union's ranks and bank account. I first heard about this from John Stossell, who did a report on it on his Fox Business Network show. Here's a video clip at NRO's Media Blog:

I have a question that this video clip does not answer for me. Does the forced unionization only affect those day-care centers that receive subsidies from the state for taking care of kids whose parents are on state assistance? If so, I wonder if some day-care owners will choose to not accept kids who come with government subsidies in order to get out from underneath the union/government thumb.

Update: The Wall Street Journal published an opinion piece by Patrick J. Wright and Michael D. Jahr both from the Mackinac Center that provides additional information.


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Kim, that was the very firs... (Below threshold)
MichaelC:

Kim, that was the very first thought that came to my mind. And, of course, it also would seem that some are going to have to be willing to take some losses if they choose to go that way.

But no path worth following is free of all sacrifice. Of course, it is easy for me to say, as it is not my money that would be sacrificed.

Nonetheless, it surely would send a message and, in due time, I believe that onerous and quasi-legal schemes such as this one, will be replaced by clearer and more level headed laws that allow aid to people who really need it without requiring them to turn over their souls in the bargain.

If I understand it right, t... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

If I understand it right, the union dues are deducted automatically from state payments to daycare providers, without asking.

Typical union/politician shit.

Would you trust your poor, innocent child to some evil scab daycare provider? Do they have insurance? Do they meet the high standards required of union daycare providers? Do you know what can happen to poor, innocent children entrusted to scab daycare providers? What about the parents, the poor working man?


Oh, Look for the union label...

Big Brother Barry would lov... (Below threshold)
914:

Big Brother Barry would love to unionize and nanny tax the hell out of the whole country this way.

Taxation without representation or just plain out and out strongarm theft, it's the thug democrap way.

"He who pays the piper call... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"He who pays the piper calls the tune."

Well, this is basically a true statement and I wish our representatives would feel the same way about the people who elect them to office.

Anyway, if these daycare workers receive a subsidy and they pay taxes on that income, I figure they that have fulfilled their obligation to the state (in addition to maintaining daycare standards as regulated by the state. Forcing them to join a union clearly seems an overreach of government authority. I cannot see anything that even remotely justifies this decision.

"He who pa... (Below threshold)
macofromoc:



"He who pays the piper calls the tune."

and that, exactly, is my problem with government run healthcare

bryand "I throw out l... (Below threshold)
Marc:

bryand "I throw out lots of personal mail. Even semi-important things sometimes."

All except mail postmarked "truther," or "Nazi UFOs."

"Imagine getting a lette... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"Imagine getting a letter in the mail that says you are now a member of a union and are required to pay union dues, even though you didn't vote to join a union?"

That would be "the letter in the mail" that came after the "ballot in the mail" you ignored which offered you a chance to vote in favor or against the union?

The election was held by mail. People chose to ignore the election and are now whining about the results?

Wow - guess they favor a nanny state where you can ignore your responsibilities and then whine if it tuns out to be a bad idea and thus have the effects of your laziness reversed?

Typical eh?

"Of course, it is easy f... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"Of course, it is easy for me to say as it is not my money that would be sacrificed"

It would be if you were a Michigan tax payer. I'd rather my money go to the kids than the unions, but as is almost always the case, those "it's for the children" democrats are once again screwing the children in favor of their own political power.

s green -"That ... (Below threshold)
914:

s green -

"That would be "the letter in the mail" that came after the "ballot in the mail" you ignored which offered you a chance to vote in favor or against the union?"

They can keep their scandalous propaganda to themselve's... You too!

"It would be if you were... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"It would be if you were a Michigan tax payer."

These are federal funds, not Michigan funds.

"I'd rather my money go to the kids than the unions"

Day care providers voted (or chose to ignore the vote and didn't participate) and decided they wanted a union.

The outcome was 5,921 in favor of the union and 475 opposed.

It wasn't even close.

The dues are the equivalent of 1.15% of the subsidy check the day care provider receives.

1.15%

Amazing how details such as this are left out of the whining right wing reports on this subject...

There's a legal challenge:

The main arguments presented in the case are that the plaintiffs, as home-based business owners, are really independent contractors and not government employees of the MHBCCC, and that an interlocal agreement cannot expand the definition of public employee beyond what the Legislature has set.
s green -<i... (Below threshold)
914:

s green -


"The dues are the equivalent of 1.15% of the subsidy check the day care provider receives.

1.15%

Amazing how details such as this are left out of the whining right wing reports on this subject..."


Funny how You nanny do gooder's alway's believe You and Big Gov are entitled to a cut of someone else's hard work and prosperity..

Get Your damn nose out of our business and hand's out of our pockets!!!!

In #1, MichaelC says,... (Below threshold)

In #1, MichaelC says,

Of course, it is easy for me to say, as it is not my money that would be sacrificed.

In #10, P. Bunyan replies,

It would be if you were a Michigan tax payer.

In #12, the greentoon retorts,

These are federal funds, not Michigan funds.

Which means, it is MichaelC's money being sacrificed.

Can the greentoon really have no clue whatsoever where "federal funds" come from?

YES HE CAN.

I recently read a news item... (Below threshold)
waldo:

I recently read a news item that the State of Michigan was considering changing to a right to work state in order to get more busineses to re-locate there. Anyone else read that.

little stevie,Cong... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

little stevie,

Congratulations on now being a member of the Wizbang liberal idiots union. Your union dues are just 2.3% of your allowance. Please have your mommy make a check out to Wizbangblog and send it to Kevin.

What??? You don't remember voting on a union? Well, not our fault you didn't click on the link and vote.... It was posted twice....

"These are federal funds... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"These are federal funds, not Michigan funds."

Sorry about the mistake Steve. So every American taxpayer is sacrificing our money to benefit no one but union bosses and democrat politicans. Well that makes me feel a lot better! Whew, I was worried it us just us Michigander who were getting screwed here...

Oh, and it's only 1.15%. Well that's fine then. Those worthless little bastard poor children can surely do with less...umm...less... well lets see, where will that 1.15% come from? Food? Toys? Educational Materials? Sanitation? Diapers? Whatever. The poor have far too much of all those things-- they can sacrifice a little for the cause eh?It's so much better for my tax dollars to go to democrats and unions.

Thanks comrade Steve, I feel sooooooo much better now.

It don't work that way. ... (Below threshold)
DavidB:

It don't work that way. Signing cards are *informational*, ie to hold a union *vote-in* at a certain place in the near future or not. (signing Yes is For the PROPOSITION, NOT For union membership).

Now that's where you would be wrong, once again, Brian. You see, this was probably a "Card Check" vote, where the people signing the card didn't realize that they were actually voting for a union. They probably mistakenly thought, as you have, that they were just acknowledging that there would be a vote, or acknowledging that they received the notice, when in fact the union has twisted it to be a vote for them.

Look into Card Check and all of the union scams surrounding them. There's been quite a few cases before the NLRB where the people who were unionized didn't realize they were voting for one until after the union rolled in and started taking their money. It's hell to get a union disenfranchised after they have taken over. Even the LA Slimes, hardly a bastion of conservative support, thinks that Card Check is wrong.

But you probably see nothing wrong with a union gaining the upper hand in organizing people who don't want them.

"No wait, in the Republi... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"No wait, in the Republican world that 1.15% would come from the massive price increases that small business will HAVE to pass on to everybody."

That makes no sense at all.

As far as the "profits" in gov. subsidized childare, you're clueless my friend.

"Those worthless little ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Those worthless little bastard poor children can surely do with less...umm...less... well lets see, where will that 1.15% come from?"

Your ASS!! like all the other shit You pull out around here!

"No wait, in the Republican world that 1.15% would come from the massive price increases that small business will HAVE to pass on to everybody.

Not."

In Trollhaugen, located squarely in Droolville by the way..You are King!! Treasure it Steve!!

NOTHING should be forced.</... (Below threshold)
poptoy:

NOTHING should be forced.

What else can we ever expec... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

What else can we ever expect from a state run by the demacrooks force everyone to join those corupt unions

"That makes no sense at ... (Below threshold)
Steve Green:

"That makes no sense at all."

Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave...

The Republican reasons for opposing anything and everything is that it will cost consumers more.

Yes, it makes no sense - but that doesn't stop Republicans from saying it.

Oh, I see the point you wer... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Oh, I see the point you were trying to make now Steve. It was so far removed from reality that I didn't understand it the way you first presented it.

Of course this confiscation of money from poor and needy children to benefit the union bosses and democrat politicians will not raise costs for consumers, but then again that comment was no less ignorant, irrelevant, and ass-backwards than anything else you post on this site so I probably should've just ignored it.

Instead of posting stupid and irrelevant shit like that, why don't you try and be an adult and explain why you support taking money away from poor and needy children and giving it to the union who will give a good portion of it to the democrats?

Why do the democrat politicians and unions deserve my tax dollars more than poor and needy childern?




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