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Global warming believers need an intervention

Seraphic Secret provides the substantiation:

Several weeks ago, Karen and I visited old and beloved friends in New Jersey. A long-married couple, our friends are Democrats, but that has never diminished our affection and loyalty. Usually, we don't discuss politics, but the issue of so-called global warming came up. When Karen and I expressed skepticism, our friends were, literally, horrified.

"You don't believe in global warming?"

From their irate tone and expressions, you would think that Karen and I had just--G-d forbid--denied the Holocaust.

We shook our heads and suggested that Climategate should, at least, give pause to their faith in a science that supports global warming/climate change/whatever they're calling it this week.

Our friends had no idea what we were talking about.

"The science is settled," they insisted

And that was that.

There is no dialogue possible when one side is armed with information and facts, and the other side insists on a fossilized, delusional narrative.

I believe that even if our friends were aware of the scores of corruptions of science, it would not make a difference.

That's because so-called climate change is the new Socialism.

And many Democrats have morphed into Socialists.

Marx also claimed that his work was scientific, beyond reproach. His theories of the withering of the state and the fall of capitalism were and are advanced as "inevitable."

Marxism/Lennism is nothing less than a fanatic, religious cult.

And so-called climate change is the opiate of the new Socialists.

This new leftist hysteria--remember The Population Bomb and Global Freezing--is designed to alarm citizens--that's why Osama bin Laden recently jumped on the climate change bandwagon--grow government, redistribute wealth, and create a new politburo of climate bureacrats who will dictate every detail of how we live our lives.

These are brown shirts in green.

There was a point not long ago where I wanted to empathize with leftists, to believe that they were well intentioned, that their hearts were in the right place but that their heads had yet to follow.

It's getting tougher and tougher to adopt that sense of good will.

The fact that Obama said the following isn't helping:

Okay.  Well, let me just talk about -- this is -- when the conservatives have their conventions and they yell at me and say how terrible I am -- (laughter) -- along with health care this is the other thing that they usually point out, which is that "the President wants to create this cap and trade system and it's going to be a job killer and it's one more step in the government takeover of the American economy."  So this is a good place for me to maybe just spend a little time talking about energy and climate change.

First of all, we just got five feet of snow in Washington and so everybody is like -- a lot of the people who are opponents of climate change, they say, see, look at that, there's all this snow on the ground, this doesn't mean anything.  I want to just be clear that the science of climate change doesn't mean that every place is getting warmer; it means the planet as a whole is getting warmer.  But what it may mean is, for example, Vancouver, which is supposed to be getting snow during the Olympics, suddenly is at 55 degrees, and Dallas suddenly is getting seven inches of snow.

The idea is, is that as the planet as a whole gets warmer, you start seeing changing weather patterns, and that creates more violent storm systems, more unpredictable weather.  So any single place might end up being warmer; another place might end up being a little bit cooler; there might end up being more precipitation in the air, more monsoons, more hurricanes, more tornadoes, more drought in some places, floods in other places.

So I just -- that's one aspect of the science that I think everybody should understand.

I think everybody ought to also understand that much of the 'science' is predicated on false data being promoted as fact by hacks with an agenda.

Obama being chief amongst them.

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When EVERY event is 'irrefu... (Below threshold)
Saterp:

When EVERY event is 'irrefutable proof' of your theory, it's no longer a theory, it's a religion.

If Obama persists and AGW f... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

If Obama persists and AGW falls apart. Is not the 1 guilty of assisting in the perpetration of a fraud? Would that be considered a high crime or misdemeanor? Impeach in 2011.

When EVERY even... (Below threshold)
When EVERY event is 'irrefutable proof' of your theory, it's no longer a theory, it's a religion.
Indeed. Some believers in AGW have even been insisting during this past winter that if it weren't for global warming it wouldn't be this cold.

I'm sure the disappearance of the root climate data was caused by global warming too -- and the ice core data that contradicts AGW was put there by time-traveling Exxon lobbyists.

Hmmm. An intervention. I ... (Below threshold)
epador:

Hmmm. An intervention. I think that given the current DHS approach to monitoring the internet you might have chosen different verbiage.

"The idea is, is that as... (Below threshold)
apb:

"The idea is, is that as the planet as a whole gets warmer, you start seeing changing weather patterns, and that creates more violent storm systems, more unpredictable weather. "

Back in 2005, NOAA concluded that increased hurricane activity (at the time) was due to a natural 20-30 year hurricane pattern. The past 5 years' fall-off is explained by this as well.

So it appears the Jug-Eared Douche is just preaching to the usual crowd of sucks and 'punch-10' morons. As my gram used to say, "empty cans make the most noise."

Recently GREENPEACE was for... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

Recently GREENPEACE was forced to admit they had fabricated their news about GLOBAL WARMING and the ice caps

First of all, we j... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
First of all, we just got five feet of snow in Washington and so everybody is like -- a lot of the people who are opponents of climate change, they say, see, look at that, there's all this snow on the ground, this doesn't mean anything.

Exactly, now if Obama wants to be scientific on this issue he needs to say this when there's a nasty hurricane or heat wave. If Obama wants to be even more scientific he needs to state that even if there is real global warming, it's not necessary caused by human generated greenhouse gases, that historical and scientific evidence show the Earth's climate is cyclical on many time scales.

What's telling is that Obama stops being "scientific" as soon as doing so undermines AGW. Someone needs to let Obama know that one sided science is junk science, and the American public are not buying the junk science anymore.

Aside from the validity of ... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Aside from the validity of the AGW data, I get irritated being lectured to by him. He's professing to us about things he has little knowledge of as if we have no knowledge at all.

Mr. President you are an expert on nothing. Yet somehow you believe by the force of your personality and the "gift" you bragged to Reid about your lecturing will convince us of anything. Your narcissism does you a disservice sir.

btw, I'm one of the 30k+ scientists and engineers who signed the petition sent to you expressing our concern about the validity of AGW. I'm thinking you didn't read it.

I would say the Obama admin... (Below threshold)
914:

I would say the Obama administration is due for a psych evaluation but it's a moot point because they are all nut's.

"Okay. Well, let me just t... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"Okay. Well, let me just talk about -- this is -- when the conservatives have their conventions and they yell at me and say how terrible I am -- (laughter) --"

Like most of Barry's speeches they start out with a comment about him, yet the personal comment is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.

"The idea is, is that as the planet as a whole gets warmer, you start seeing changing weather patterns, and that creates more violent storm systems, more unpredictable weather. So any single place might end up being warmer; another place might end up being a little bit cooler; ..."

That's a good one. Overall the planet is getting warmer he says, but some place might be warmer, some place might be cooler? Well according to the math I was taught, the average is probably somewhere in between so it seems to me the average of the planet as a whole is not changing.

It is so tiresome listening to this guy.

Rick, I just went through t... (Below threshold)
G.:

Rick, I just went through this with an old high school friend who is now a marine biology professor in Maryland. This is a quote from her..."that's why it's called, "weather weirding" - it's right there in the IPCC report! Forecasted chaos." So they have decided to counter with it doesn't matter what the weather is now. The "settled science" line is used to try and shut up/diminish the dissenters. The same line used by evolutionists. It's all still global warming,period. They are completely unreasonable and illogical about it. It's what they WANT to believe. They are deceived and don't know it, because they are deceived. Al Gore knows its a lie and so do others at the top of this profitable Bullshit, but the vast minions march along like lemmings to the sea.

Lost in all the Chicken Lit... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Lost in all the Chicken Little bullshit about AGW, it seems to have escaped public notice that ice cap measurements began in 1979.

Basing a major global scientific conclusion on only 30 years of hystery is patently ridiculous. If you want to base major economic change on ice measurements, as most of the True Believers do, even these statistics put the lie to the conclusion we're all supposed to reach. Icecap measurements in 2009 were larger, not smaller than previous years in the Arctic, and significantly larger in the Antarctic.

How you extrapolate 30 years of data to draw conclusions about global climate change is an exercise in idiocy. The only "science" involved is POLITICAL science.

The same holds true for polar bear populations. Polar bears have survived for many thousands of years, through warm spells and cold spells, and they still thrive today. Draw what conclusions you will about AGW, but leave the polar bears out of it. They're doing just fine, thank yew. It's a specious argument.

When you hear somebody arguing about the warmest or the coldest anything "ever", ask them how long "ever" is. The next election cycle? 30 years? 100 years? or 30 billion years? That's what "ever" means, and that's a sure sign you're dealing with a fool.

when the conservatives h... (Below threshold)

when the conservatives have their conventions and they yell at me and say how terrible I am

Better than the liberals...they do it at conventions, speeches, newspapers, nightly news, morning news...funerals...

Poor Barry, no one ever tol... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Poor Barry, no one ever told him about "weather".

Waiting on the blathering S... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Waiting on the blathering Steve Green coming here to call us morons for not believing the faked data and for being the party of no to trillion dollar deficits in 3..2...1.

I've lived in Oklahoma and ... (Below threshold)
soozer:

I've lived in Oklahoma and Texas all my life and I want The O to know we've had "unpredictable weather" here all my life.

Yeah, when I was a kid we called it "weather" too.

See any of these stories in... (Below threshold)
John A. Jauregui:

See any of these stories in television news after two decades of relentless press coverage of Global Warming with no questions asked? The national media's continued silence on ClimateGate and increasing revelations of outright fraud and wrongdoing at all levels of government, academia and the media itself, tells the truth of the tail. That truth is there's a lot more to this ClimateGate story than what little is being reported. The small (2 to 3 dozen) international cabal of climate scientists could not have possibly gotten to this point without extraordinary funding, political support at virtually all levels of government, especially at the national level and unparalleled cooperation from the national and world media. This wide-spread networked support continues even as we-the-people puzzle over what this is all about. I ask you, "What are you seeing and hearing from our national media on the subject?" Anything? What are you seeing and hearing from all levels of our government, local and regional newspapers and media outlets? Anything of substance? At all of these levels the chatter has remained remarkably quite on the subject, wouldn't you say? Why? What points and positions are you beginning to hear on the radio and see on the television? This cabal of scientists has an unprecedented level of support given the revelations contained in the emails, documented in the computer software code and elaborated in the associated programmer remarks (REM) within the code. And ---- this has gone on for years, AND continues even in the presence of the most damning evidence one could imagine, or even hope for. Watergate pales in comparison, given the trillions of dollars in carbon offset taxes, cap & trade fees hanging in the balance and the unimaginable political control over people's lives this all implies. The mainstream media's conspiracy of silence proves the point. Their continued cover-up is as much a part of this crime as the actual scientific fraud. ABC, CBS and NBC are simply co-conspirators exercising their 5th Amendment rights.

Waiting on the ... (Below threshold)
Waiting on the blathering Steve Green
Actually, I'm waiting for bryanD to claim the Exxon time-travelers thing is all true.
Wong McGehee, bryand happen... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Wong McGehee, bryand happens to "know for a certainty" that the joooooooooooos and the neo-cons are behind all the warming.

Or, maybe the jooooooos and the bilderburgers.

Or, maybe the joooooooos and the bilderburgers and the rothschilds.

Or, maybe the joooooos and the bilderburgers and the rothschilds and the queen.

Or, maybe the jooooos and the bilderburgers and the rothschilds and the queen AND Colonel Sanders, before he went "tits up". (hat tip to Mike Myers)


Bryand is the perfect little larouchite.

As sea levels rise, the sho... (Below threshold)
James H:

As sea levels rise, the shore will be redefined. New construction will be needed. This will be global wharfing.

They are insane. You... (Below threshold)
Dave McK:

They are insane.
You know what's worse than that?

The religious belief that reason conquers all.

The collectivist dogma that paralyses you to inaction because you believe you are nothing all by yourself (without your 'we we') - so you fulfill that prophecy.

The Disney Dream that the morons will become intelligent if you explain to them enough.
The Dan Pearl Delusion that a killer can be cured with a hug.
The Victimhood Lotto Fantasy that you are not responsible for what is doing you harm - when it couldn't possibly exist without you splashing money all over the street and begging for it.
The psychotic fugue of blaming somebody you don't know for the failure this behaviour guarantees.
And finally- for proving the cannibals right- obama knows he can lie in your face because he knows and you prove every day - you ain't about shit and you aren't gonna do fuck all about it.
So bend over and stfu, pussy.

Time to cisign the KYOTO TR... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

Time to cisign the KYOTO TREATY to the paper shredder before OBAMA and his band of scoundrels do the same to our U.S. CONSTITUTION

I always trust an oilman on... (Below threshold)
rightsaidfred:

I always trust an oilman on science, over an actual scientist. They know far more about science and the scientifc method.

Scientist are basically all frauds anyway. Many think dinosaurs did not walk the earth when humans did (all they have to do is watch the Flintstones.) and of course those crazies think we came from monkeys and the universe is billions of years old. crazed I say.

Just flew in fr... (Below threshold)
Just flew in from rigging the CPAC straw poll for Ron Paul. And boy, are my arms tired!
Okay, now that's funny.

Probably just a fluke though.

Intervention? It deserves ... (Below threshold)
clearmind:

Intervention? It deserves a fart wit a leg raised and nothing more!

I always trust an ... (Below threshold)
Mac Lorry:
I always trust an oilman on science, over an actual scientist. They know far more about science and the scientifc method.

But of course it's hundreds of actual scientists who dispute the IPCC's position, and everyone should be concerned about the fraud being uncovered. You don't have to worry about oil men anymore because they have figured out how to make even more money from ignorant greenies.

I know many of you won't gi... (Below threshold)
Highlander:

I know many of you won't give a damn, but there are human consequences of global warming. Listen and weep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ULoJYTsrM

"I know many of you won't g... (Below threshold)
RLE:

"I know many of you won't give a damn, but there are human consequences of global warming. Listen and weep"

Highlander- Are you kidding me? This is called propaganda. Absolutely ridiculous. The progressive platform is eroding as we speak. Pathetic.

If the sea level is rising,... (Below threshold)
Burt:

If the sea level is rising, why are my tax dollars being spent to rebuild a city 12 feet below sea level?

Ugh! Your friends had not h... (Below threshold)

Ugh! Your friends had not heard about the climate science scandal?!

I guess that's possible if people depend on NY Times-type "journalism" and the mainstream media; they're merely propagandists spewing Obama administration talking points.

Scary.

The inevitable confirmation... (Below threshold)

The inevitable confirmation, come November 2012, of United States of America's President and Armed Forces Commander In Chief-Elect, Sarah Louise Heath Ronald Wilson Reagan Palin, will surely make those (il)liberals who haven't yet moved to France, resentful. And a constant reminder of the twentieth century's greatest president admonition to the effect that 'the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's that they know so much that isn't so.'

Since the Daily Telegraph (... (Below threshold)
Bruce M. Albert:

Since the Daily Telegraph (UK) lying on the table at college breakfast this (Sunday) morn. reported that the (UK) gov. is seeking £60,000,000 in taxes for heating their offices this financial year, NOT for utilities (that's OK), but for CARBON CREDITS ('indulgences') through China, and the 9 mil. of this goes to Barclay's and other big banks for 'handling', it looks like AGW modes are anything but 'socialistic'-looks like the worst type of capitalism to me! The Climategate whistle-blower (prob. NOT a hacker per se, according to present evidence, it was prob. a CRU-insider job) looks to me like a latter-day Martin Luther, with AGW playing the role of the pre-reformed Catholic Church.

BMWAlbert, Van Mildert Col., Durham U. (UK)

Dear Burt (above),... (Below threshold)
Bruce M. Albert:

Dear Burt (above),

I was just reading the above comments after my post. I hate to break this to you, but ARGOS Project data show that recent eustatic (Global) sea-levels might be FALLING slightly. My dept. here in Durham (U., UK) is looking at the Antarctic situation, ice mass here might be increasing (this is something the IPCC does not get into)-this (converse anti-pole response) is a typical situation in the Quaternary (geological time, last 1.8 my, see Peter Huybers Ph.D. Thesis also, he is now at Harvard Earth Sciences), and might reflect complexities of Thermo-Haline Circulation. Just another pattern (amongst others) most credibly explained after natural, NOT anthropogenic vectors. Thus in reference to the sea-level comment, increased ice formation in the Antarctic might lower sea-levels for the next (guess) two decades.

BMWAlbert

What they want to prove the... (Below threshold)
REPLENDENT QUETZAL:

What they want to prove their crack-pot ideas like speckled blue chickens and dancing toadyfrogs

Folks take a look at this! ... (Below threshold)
Btok:

Folks take a look at this! Our futures are at stake! help back him up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFYM_BV5YU&feature=player_embedded
Inhofe Releases Climategate Report During EPW Hearing

-and this:Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

<a href="http://www.youtube... (Below threshold)
Btok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFYM_BV5YU&feature=player_embedded
Inhofe Releases Climategate Report During EPW Hearing
Folks take a look at this! Our futures are at stake! Help to back him up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFYM_BV5YU&feature=player_embedded
Inhofe Releases Climategate Report During EPW Hearing
and this:Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU




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